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Plorfu said:
Vegas and trolling for picks bump.
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I think an Erik Silva + Nunes parlay is pretty safe. Nunes should pummel Shayna. Silva has taken a few dumps before, but Koshcheck is garbage these days. I have a hard time seeing Kos win again in the UFC, this may be his last fight actually.

I like Leandro Silva over Dober also.

Being in Brazil, I'd pay attention to who the Brazilians are fighting on the card. Trinaldo may have some value.

There are better people to listen to in here though. Hopefully some other will chime in.

 
Bobcat10 said:
Plorfu said:
Vegas and trolling for picks bump.
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I think an Erik Silva + Nunes parlay is pretty safe. Nunes should pummel Shayna. Silva has taken a few dumps before, but Koshcheck is garbage these days. I have a hard time seeing Kos win again in the UFC, this may be his last fight actually.I like Leandro Silva over Dober also.

Being in Brazil, I'd pay attention to who the Brazilians are fighting on the card. Trinaldo may have some value.

There are better people to listen to in here though. Hopefully some other will chime in.
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Thanks! alsoshamelessbump

 
I'm on LaFlare -105 now that he's moved to a slight dog. I like Maia and he has looked impressive since his move down to 170, but LaFlare fights at a relentless pace, has good length and excellent overall wrestling. This fight will come down to if Maia can put LaFlare on his back and hold him there long enough to work in some subs. I'm betting against that as I expect Ryan to be the stronger and better conditioned fighter and I think he will be able to get to his feet rather quickly if/when Maia can put him there. I expect him to pressure Maia to wear him down, possibly mixing in a few of his own takedowns. Being a 5 rounder provides LaFlare a further advantage IMO as I think he will be able to impose his will in the 4th and 5th.

 
sheerterror said:
I'm on LaFlare -105 now that he's moved to a slight dog. I like Maia and he has looked impressive since his move down to 170, but LaFlare fights at a relentless pace, has good length and excellent overall wrestling. This fight will come down to if Maia can put LaFlare on his back and hold him there long enough to work in some subs. I'm betting against that as I expect Ryan to be the stronger and better conditioned fighter and I think he will be able to get to his feet rather quickly if/when Maia can put him there. I expect him to pressure Maia to wear him down, possibly mixing in a few of his own takedowns. Being a 5 rounder provides LaFlare a further advantage IMO as I think he will be able to impose his will in the 4th and 5th.
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:scared: i'm on Maia at -105

 
would like to see Jake Shields face off against Damien Maia in an octagon on wheels, and then have it pushed off a very high cliff. Maia is quite possibly the most boring fighter in the UFC right now. control for the sake of control. no aggression, no striking, very few actual sub attempts

 
This fight is pretty brutal to watch. Maia shouldnt be main eventing at this stage. With the increasing # of cards today, I doubt UFC will Fitch or Shields him.

Wish LaFlare would end this. Maia cant even stand. Too bad LaFail has no takedown defense.

 
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Maia flops at the end. :lmao: Point deduction.

That was just pathetic. Wish Dana would just can him for that.

 
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Craig_MiamiFL said:
Missed the fight but looks like Koscheck got beat with a guillotine again. Twice in a few weeks?

Hope the guy retires. It's time.
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i actually thought Koscheck looked good last night, better than i thought he did. He had a bad break or 2 (that one slip he had put him in bad position), but there are a lot of guys out there that he could beat pretty good still

 
modogg said:
Looks like the UFC has signed Cyborg to a 2-month contract. I got the portugese version of the news if you like:

http://sportv.globo.com/site/combate/noticia/2015/03/cris-cyborg-confirma-contrato-com-o-ufc-e-desafia-ronda-mais-uma-vez.html

from what i see it might be a 2-month contract which is weird. come in and fight Rousey then that is it?
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Heard yesterday it was contingent on her being able to make 135. Apparently, her next Invicta fight is at 145, then her following one she must make 135 in order to then get a UFC fight. Maybe the contract is designed during a period where they can drop her if it looks like weight will continue to be a problem?

 
I've been steadily losing interest in the sport for a while now for whatever reason. I've always loved me some Aldo so I just started catching up on the hype for the McGregor fight. July 11th!? All this for a fight that is still 4+ moths away? :lmao: Putting way too many eggs in that basket it seems.

 
Sebowski said:
I've been steadily losing interest in the sport for a while now for whatever reason. I've always loved me some Aldo so I just started catching up on the hype for the McGregor fight. July 11th!? All this for a fight that is still 4+ moths away? :lmao: Putting way too many eggs in that basket it seems.
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Gonna be an entertaining fight either way. Don't see anyway that it could be boring.

 
Plorfu said:
Bobcat10 said:
Plorfu said:
Vegas and trolling for picks bump.
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I think an Erik Silva + Nunes parlay is pretty safe. Nunes should pummel Shayna. Silva has taken a few dumps before, but Koshcheck is garbage these days. I have a hard time seeing Kos win again in the UFC, this may be his last fight actually.I like Leandro Silva over Dober also.

Being in Brazil, I'd pay attention to who the Brazilians are fighting on the card. Trinaldo may have some value.

There are better people to listen to in here though. Hopefully some other will chime in.
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Thanks! alsoshamelessbump
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Turned out to be a nice blueprint to start with for those fights. :thumbup:

 
I don't know if i have ever heard a grown man scream like that before. and Joe Warren running around pouting makes it look twice as bad

 
It all seemed so weird to me... What if Warren screamed like a girl on purpose to then act outraged (I'm sure he knows the rules) vs tapping out? Does he kinda look at Big Dan out of the corner of his eye before the girly noise?

 
Bobcat10 said:
It all seemed so weird to me... What if Warren screamed like a girl on purpose to then act outraged (I'm sure he knows the rules) vs tapping out? Does he kinda look at Big Dan out of the corner of his eye before the girly noise?
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it didn't look like he was putting much of an effort into escaping the knee bar (some leg lock, i think that was what it was). His temper tantrum is pretty bad though, i get being emotionally invested, but totally egocentric and takes away from a new champ. i'd be pissed too, but I don't know many that will see that and feel like Warren got robbed.

I saw a good post that Warren wasn't hobbling or favoring the other leg, and maybe the scream was reactionary and that was it (I honestly don't think i could even scream like that so i have no idea). but he didn't look to be doing anything to get out of it

 
Obviously the quality of competition in the a World Series of Fighting is much weaker than the UFC, but the Justin Gaethje/Luis Palomino title fight on tonight's WSOF 19 card was, without question, the best MMA fight I've seen in a couple of years.

An absolute slugfest from the opening bell. If you can catch the replay of it on NBCSN, it is well worth watching.

 
saw a rumor that Phil Baroni is supposed to be on the next season of WWE's Tough Enough. i haven't seen the show since the 1st season on USA, but this seems like a good move for both WWE and Baroni. No idea if Baroni can make it much farther then a reality show but i would watch it if i had the WWE channel.

 
Onions said:
Obviously the quality of competition in the a World Series of Fighting is much weaker than the UFC, but the Justin Gaethje/Luis Palomino title fight on tonight's WSOF 19 card was, without question, the best MMA fight I've seen in a couple of years.

An absolute slugfest from the opening bell. If you can catch the replay of it on NBCSN, it is well worth watching.
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nice. still on dvr, haven't watched yet. I've see 3 or 4 other Justin Gaethje fights -- he's really good.

 
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I'm going to carry over a discussion with mo from the gambling thread. A little memorial to Gray Maynard if you would.

I agree with mo that Gray's actual skill set has been improving the last couple fights. He has generally been winning up to the point he's not. He's lost the ability to recover, his chin is absolute glass. Edgar stole his soul. I'm documented on here stating the Maynard vs Edgar 2 was the largest play of my life at that point on Maynard. What a swing and a miss there.

No disrespect to a great fighter, and a warrior, but please hang them up Gray.

 
3C said:
Are you ####### booing me?! :lol:
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yeah, he is becoming a great heel in the UFC. seeing some of his interviews and things, really comes off as a big ****. Happy he won me money, but i would like to hear the uncensored version of what he had to say. looked like he was getting ready to go into the crowd and throw down.

ETA: and this thread is a beast to try and find. I looked a few times today and couldn't find it anywhere until Hooter just bumped it

 
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SIDA! said:
Not sure what the referee was waiting/wanting to see with respect to the stoppage in the Mendes fight.
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it was definitely a little uncomfortable to watch, but I thought he did a solid job giving Ricardo an opportunity to recover - Chad wasn't really able to land anything clean the first couple times Lamas went down to finish him off. Lamas is a really tough dude and I thought he might be able to get back in it at first, but after he got up and then fell backward the second time it was obvious he was done. After that Mendes started landing clean shots on the ground and Miragliotta stopped it.

crazy how Aldo was able to take multiple bombs from Chad and still win the fight. I think McGregor has a real chance against him, but it's hard to believe he hits harder than Mendes.

also I thought that Masvidal should've won 29-28. Iaquinta may have won the second since neither one of them did much, but he was getting pasted in the third. Hope Dana gives Masvidal another good opponent soon, the guy is criminally underrated.

 
hooter311 said:
I'm going to carry over a discussion with mo from the gambling thread. A little memorial to Gray Maynard if you would.

I agree with mo that Gray's actual skill set has been improving the last couple fights. He has generally been winning up to the point he's not. He's lost the ability to recover, his chin is absolute glass. Edgar stole his soul. I'm documented on here stating the Maynard vs Edgar 2 was the largest play of my life at that point on Maynard. What a swing and a miss there.

No disrespect to a great fighter, and a warrior, but please hang them up Gray.
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:goodposting:

you could see he never really recovered from the knockdown, he was stumbling all over the place in the third round. Pretty scary stuff, honestly - I hope he gets a Joe Rogan style intervention soon and retires for his own good.

 
I would love Masvidal to move to a new fight camp. Dude has the skills, some better support and maybe improve the cardio and he could move into the top 5. not sure he wants it that bad, but if he does moving to a better camp would seem to really help a guy like him

ETA: forgot Masvidal went to ATT. still, that is a fight i can't image the top camps let slip away

 
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Damn I woke up really early to get some work done with intent on catching this but fell asleep right before this started & missed the whole thing.

Was the Iaquinta decision controversial at all? (Sherdog all it 30-27,30-27, 29-29 UD Masvidal). I always find it odd how 2 judges can see things so differently (like here 30-27 Masvidal & 29-28 Iaquintax2)

 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
Damn I woke up really early to get some work done with intent on catching this but fell asleep right before this started & missed the whole thing.

Was the Iaquinta decision controversial at all? (Sherdog all it 30-27,30-27, 29-29 UD Masvidal). I always find it odd how 2 judges can see things so differently (like here 30-27 Masvidal & 29-28 Iaquintax2)
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yep - Al was getting worked on the feet all fight and almost got finished late in the first. He tried a bunch of takedowns and Masvidal stuffed all of them. Crowd booed the decision.

 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
Was the Iaquinta decision controversial at all? (Sherdog all it 30-27,30-27, 29-29 UD Masvidal). I always find it odd how 2 judges can see things so differently (like here 30-27 Masvidal & 29-28 Iaquintax2)
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Masvidal cleary had the first round which all three judges seem to agree on. 2 and 3 were close, Ianquinta was wearing more damage (huge gash under his eye openend in the 2nd). Masvidal's knee/thigh were turning purple by the end of the fight from leg kicks. Masvidal was outclassing him technically but AIQ kept it scrappy and was landing his own shots here and there.

I though JM won but It wasn't so one-sided that I can't see the argument for AIQ. JM was backing up in the third round and it looked like AIQ was building steam as the fight progressed.

upcoming:

4-11 : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Fight_Night:_Gonzaga_vs._Cro_Cop_2

4-18: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_on_Fox:_Machida_vs._Rockhold

4-25: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_186

 
Maybe I'm getting my rounds mixed up, but I thought AIQ clearly won the 3rd round. That made the close 2nd round the deciding factor. Was surprised by the 30-27 on the one card. I thought Masvidal hid well how tired he really was during the 2nd half of the fight. AIQ just kept his pace going all fight long...alot of which was pitter patter stuff mixed in with strong leg kicks...then he started tagging Masvidal in the 3rd (who did return some nice shots as well).

 
shotsup said:
I thought AIQ lost the fight.
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I think so too, but it was very close. I do tend to root for the guy who gets beat up bad early to come back. Masvidal should have finished him in the first. For whatever reason I found myself pulling for AIQ as the fight progressed, probably because he withstood the first round beating.

So I could see myself giving very close rounds to AIQ if I were a judge. But that's probably why I'm not a judge.

 
SacramentoBob said:
I haven't seen the fight, but the stats at FightMetric support a win by Masvidal and it's not particularly close.

http://www.fightmetric.com/fight-details/634dbcef5111f939
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I was with everyone else thinking Masvidal took it, but this guy at mmamania wrote a real good article about the 3rd round:

http://www.mmamania.com/2015/4/6/8346107/ufc-fight-night-63-breaking-down-controversial-third-round-iaquinta-masvidal-mma

I didn't realize that firghtmetric was as unreliable as he points to in a few examples in his article. Shame about compustrike, but I can believe there isn't much money in collecting stats for MMA so it isn't something that many would choose to keep up with

 
modogg said:
SacramentoBob said:
I haven't seen the fight, but the stats at FightMetric support a win by Masvidal and it's not particularly close.

http://www.fightmetric.com/fight-details/634dbcef5111f939
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I was with everyone else thinking Masvidal took it, but this guy at mmamania wrote a real good article about the 3rd round:

http://www.mmamania.com/2015/4/6/8346107/ufc-fight-night-63-breaking-down-controversial-third-round-iaquinta-masvidal-mma

I didn't realize that firghtmetric was as unreliable as he points to in a few examples in his article. Shame about compustrike, but I can believe there isn't much money in collecting stats for MMA so it isn't something that many would choose to keep up with
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That is a good little read, thanks. Based on my post above, sounds like I saw that round alot like this guy did.

Masvidal was in coast mode, or legitimately tired, after the 1st round. Would have been interesting to hear his corner after round 1 (we heard AIQ's corner). Then after the 2nd round the announcers came back from the break commenting about AIQ's corner between rounds, nothing about Masvidal's though.

 
The 30-27 card on that fight is very suspect as well.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/4/6/8354789/al-iaquinta-doubles-down-on-controversial-decision-says-jorge

Regardless of how things played out though, Crosby's involvement in the fight is baffling in retrospect, considering his long-standing and relatively acrimonious history with the Serra-Longo Fight Team. Iaquinta's head coach, Ray Longo, told Ariel Helwani on Monday that Crosby has had "inappropriate relationships" with several fighters connected to the gym, including an incident with an unnamed woman which led to her securing a "court order of protection" against Crosby which she held for almost three years and was enforced by two judges.

A part-time official who moonlights as a stunt coordinator in the film industry, Crosby was also recently rebuffed by Iaquinta after seeking the fighter's services for a project. That obvious conflict of interest alone prompted Iaquinta to call it a "travesty" that Crosby was nonetheless assigned to judge his fight.

"It's been documented, Doug Crosby has a long-going feud with -- well, not a feud, but whatever, he hates on us, most particularly Ray Longo," Iaquinta said. "He's got a problem, and this is where it gets serious. The whole thing, MMA, this whole thing is kind of like a joke. Everyone thinks, oh, boo, I cursed them, it's funny. But this is where it gets serious.

"I turned down an offer from this guy, whatever the reason being, and then he's judging my fight. So right there, I don't know, it's just not right. I don't know how that happened. After the fight, I was looking around the cage and I then I saw him sitting down and I said to Ray, ‘Why is this guy judging my fight?' I knew right away, I'm down one judge. I'm down. Three judges are supposed to be objective, see the fight how it is. I knew right off the bat, this guy wasn't giving me nothing."
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