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Cliff Clavin said:
So of course, Goldy claimed it was the biggest fight in UFC history. Curious as to what would legitimately be the biggest fight in UFC history. Not the biggest hindsight fight (Griffin/Bonnar) or grossing, but the most anticipated fight fan wise.
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Aldo-McG was, to me, exponentially bigger than Diaz/McG II, and my pick for biggest fight in UFC history. Incredible narratives. As a massive GSP fan, GSP-Penn II (To the death, Georges) felt huge too.

 
Abrantes said:
Aldo-McG was, to me, exponentially bigger than Diaz/McG II, and my pick for biggest fight in UFC history. Incredible narratives. As a massive GSP fan, GSP-Penn II (To the death, Georges) felt huge too.
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Legitimate GOAT WW vs. GOAT LW and former WW champ -- this was definitely the fight that I most looked forward to.

 
cockroach said:
Hendo Bisping II for the belt.   Would say it'll prob be Henderson's last fight, but I don't think he knows when to call it quits.
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Just awful. Sideshow over legit contender.

ETA: I love Dan Henderson, but he has no business fighting for a title at this point.

 
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Bobcat10 said:
He's been saying for 2-ish months that would be the case.  Whether he sticks to that or not, who knows.  
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Yeah, supposedly, win or lose, he retires after the title fight. He doesn't sound especially excited about it either way. But Hendo's always been a mellow monotone guy, so who knows.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
Just awful. Sideshow over legit contender.

ETA: I love Dan Henderson, but he has no business fighting for a title at this point.
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Who does at middleweight? 

Rockhold, Weidman and Belfort all lost their last fight. Romero is suspended. Machida has lost 2 in a row and may be done? Silva has lost 2 straight. Whitaker hasn't beat a top 10 guy. 

Moussasi has won 2 in a row vs guys out of the top 10 :shrug:

Jacare is coming off a win but lost to Belfort before that :shrug:

There is literally no one in that division worthy of a title shot right now. May as well give the people the fight they want to see.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Who does at middleweight? 

Rockhold, Weidman and Belfort all lost their last fight. Romero is suspended. Machida has lost 2 in a row and may be done? Silva has lost 2 straight. Whitaker hasn't beat a top 10 guy. 

Moussasi has won 2 in a row vs guys out of the top 10 :shrug:

Jacare is coming off a win but lost to Belfort before that :shrug:

There is literally no one in that division worthy of a title shot right now. May as well give the people the fight they want to see.
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Henderson is 3 - 6 since 2011 though -- and he has looked done for a few years really. He gasses outrageously by the second round every single fight, and just head-hunts with the overhand right. IMO Rockhold, Weidman, and Jacare are all waaaaay more deserving than Henderson, as is Moussasi.

That's the whole problem with the late replacement contender stuff, which itself is a result of too many cards and entire PPVs being carried by a single headlining fight. We're going to see a champion who isn't a top-5 MW defend the belt against a challenger who isn't in the top-10.  :X

 
Coeur de Lion said:
Henderson is 3 - 6 since 2011 though -- and he has looked done for a few years really. He gasses outrageously by the second round every single fight, and just head-hunts with the overhand right. IMO Rockhold, Weidman, and Jacare are all waaaaay more deserving than Henderson, as is Moussasi.

That's the whole problem with the late replacement contender stuff, which itself is a result of too many cards and entire PPVs being carried by a single headlining fight. We're going to see a champion who isn't a top-5 MW defend the belt against a challenger who isn't in the top-10.  :X
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Can't give a guy a title shot that is coming off a loss (unless its a rematch) so Rockhold and Weidman are out. You can't really argue that.

Yes, Jacare and Moussasi are more deserving than Henderson but thats like being the smartest Trump supporter; the bar isn't very high. So they either go with Bisping vs a couple guys few care about or a rematch vs Henderson. Easy choice.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Can't give a guy a title shot that is coming off a loss (unless its a rematch) so Rockhold and Weidman are out. You can't really argue that.

Yes, Jacare and Moussasi are more deserving than Henderson but thats like being the smartest Trump supporter; the bar isn't very high. So they either go with Bisping vs a couple guys few care about or a rematch vs Henderson. Easy choice.
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Agree to disagree. I personally really don't like the blurring of the lines between sports and "sports entertainment," and I'm far less interested in the UFC lately as opposed to say five years ago as a result. I want to see the best fighters in the world matched up, not just the guys who can attract casuals by selling a fight in the media. I didn't like it with Lesnar, I don't like it with McGregor, and I don't like Bisping-Henderson for the belt. YMMV.

 
Eh. Already at the acceptance stage with Hendo/Bisping. Hendo's obviously not the most deserving contender, and I can't think of another case off the top of my head where a fighter on the verge of walking off into the sunset was given a title shot, but the fight should be fun. There has to be an understanding that MMA is unlikely to be a respectable sport following respectable sport rules, at least in the near future. It has always involved varying degrees of spectacle and carnival show tendencies, and although that has its drawbacks, there's also a charm to the ludicrousness of it. I have no doubt that Jacaré is SEETHING, and for good reason, but again, the fans are probably still getting an exciting fight out of it. Hendo's clearly Bisping's preferred opponent, and they're throwing both of the fighters a bone with this. 

 
Abrantes said:
Eh. Already at the acceptance stage with Hendo/Bisping. Hendo's obviously not the most deserving contender, and I can't think of another case off the top of my head where a fighter on the verge of walking off into the sunset was given a title shot, but the fight should be fun. There has to be an understanding that MMA is unlikely to be a respectable sport following respectable sport rules, at least in the near future. It has always involved varying degrees of spectacle and carnival show tendencies, and although that has its drawbacks, there's also a charm to the ludicrousness of it. I have no doubt that Jacaré is SEETHING, and for good reason, but again, the fans are probably still getting an exciting fight out of it. Hendo's clearly Bisping's preferred opponent, and they're throwing both of the fighters a bone with this. 
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hes got a punchers chance

 
Diaz may talk like a moron but he's being smart about not fighting until Conor III.  He's capable of losing to anyone the way he fights and knows he's one of the 3 biggest names in MMA at the moment.

even if one of them loses in the interim their 3rd fight will be big, but a loss by either would take some of the epic luster off part III.

nobody in the general public knows who guys like Alvarez are, pointless to fight those types.

 
ILUVBEER99 said:
Diaz may talk like a moron but he's being smart about not fighting until Conor III.  He's capable of losing to anyone the way he fights and knows he's one of the 3 biggest names in MMA at the moment.

even if one of them loses in the interim their 3rd fight will be big, but a loss by either would take some of the epic luster off part III.

nobody in the general public knows who guys like Alvarez are, pointless to fight those types.
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and nobody knew who Diaz was ...until he hit the red panties lottery  :D

 
Abrantes said:
Eh. Already at the acceptance stage with Hendo/Bisping. Hendo's obviously not the most deserving contender, and I can't think of another case off the top of my head where a fighter on the verge of walking off into the sunset was given a title shot, but the fight should be fun. There has to be an understanding that MMA is unlikely to be a respectable sport following respectable sport rules, at least in the near future. It has always involved varying degrees of spectacle and carnival show tendencies, and although that has its drawbacks, there's also a charm to the ludicrousness of it. I have no doubt that Jacaré is SEETHING, and for good reason, but again, the fans are probably still getting an exciting fight out of it. Hendo's clearly Bisping's preferred opponent, and they're throwing both of the fighters a bone with this. 
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I think that is going a little overboard. There will always be a trade off between #1 contender vs slightly worse contender but one that will be much more entertaining/profitable. 

This isn't Jon Fitch type of screw job. Middleweight sucks right now and no one is worthy of a title shot.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
I think that is going a little overboard. There will always be a trade off between #1 contender vs slightly worse contender but one that will be much more entertaining/profitable. 

This isn't Jon Fitch type of screw job. Middleweight sucks right now and no one is worthy of a title shot.
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Rockhold doesn't deserve a rematch after taking the Bisping fight on short notice for the good of the company? For that matter, Weidman, the guy who was undefeated and was lined up for a rematch with Rockhold but got hurt doesn't deserve it more? Those guys are both clearly much better fighters, but they moved back in the line because the have milquetoast personalities, and the UFC loves having mediocre fighter but world class ####-talker Bisping as champ, so they're feeding him a washed up Hendo.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
Rockhold doesn't deserve a rematch after taking the Bisping fight on short notice for the good of the company? For that matter, Weidman, the guy who was undefeated and was lined up for a rematch with Rockhold but got hurt doesn't deserve it more? Those guys are both clearly much better fighters, but they moved back in the line because the have milquetoast personalities, and the UFC loves having mediocre fighter but world class ####-talker Bisping as champ, so they're feeding him a washed up Hendo.
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Rockhold got his ### whooped and doesn't deserve an immediate rematch. It isn't like he was a long time champ or anything. He got his ### handed to him by Bisping. Weidman is coming off a loss. You should not get a title shot after losing a fight. We've been over this.

Jacare is the only guy who was mildly deserving of a title shot.

 
Unbelievable. Rory close to signing with bellator. 

Bellator ponied up offer ufc 'couldnt' match. Good for bellator and the sport

 
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Craig_MiamiFL said:
Unbelievable. Rory close to signing with bellator. 

Bellator ponied up offer ufc 'couldnt' match. Good for bellator and the sport
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Wow. There are so many killers in the UFC WW division, I can see how he would rather take more money and easier path if that's what he chooses. 

 
I have no problem with Hendo getting a shot.    I mean, sure, Jacare deserves it more.     But the UFC knows they can sell this fight.   And If anyone is going to get a "maybe they don't deserve this" bone thrown to them, Who better then Dan Henderson?    

Plus,     this.   Again.    Please.    

I   could  look  at  these  all   day  

 
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EYLive said:
Wow. There are so many killers in the UFC WW division, I can see how he would rather take more money and easier path if that's what he chooses. 
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Yeah, he lost to Lawler (probably took 10 years off his life in that fight) and more recently lost the title eliminator vs Wonderboy.    

If I was him I'd take a bigger paycheck and the Bellator WW strap for a few years and re-negotiate to come back to the UFC after 5 fights.     I like a lot of the 170'ers in Bellator (Koreshkov, Lima, Ben Henderson, MVP) -- but Rory should go in there and on day 1 and wreck any of them.  

 
AhrnCityPahnder said:
Yeah, he lost to Lawler (probably took 10 years off his life in that fight) and more recently lost the title eliminator vs Wonderboy.    

If I was him I'd take a bigger paycheck and the Bellator WW strap for a few years and re-negotiate to come back to the UFC after 5 fights.     I like a lot of the 170'ers in Bellator (Koreshkov, Lima, Ben Henderson, MVP) -- but Rory should go in there and on day 1 and wreck any of them.  
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I think so too. I'd love to see a match up with MVP.

Benson will move back down to 155 to fight a Pitbull brother after getting smacked around at 170. 

 
Rory is so good, and got so close to the title, but I'm happy for him. He's still super young, even accounting for the physical toll of all the fights he's had, and should be able to make a run at the Bellator title right away, even though there are some interesting matchups for him there.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Rockhold got his ### whooped and doesn't deserve an immediate rematch. It isn't like he was a long time champ or anything. He got his ### handed to him by Bisping. Weidman is coming off a loss. You should not get a title shot after losing a fight. We've been over this.

Jacare is the only guy who was mildly deserving of a title shot.
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You said no title shots for dudes coming off a loss except in the case of rematches. Isn't that exactly what Rockhold/Bisping III would be? What am I missing?   :confused:

Jacaré has a fantastic case for a title shot, and has every reason to be upset.

 
Abrantes said:
You said no title shots for dudes coming off a loss except in the case of rematches. Isn't that exactly what Rockhold/Bisping III would be? What am I missing?   :confused:

Jacaré has a fantastic case for a title shot, and has every reason to be upset.
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Cliff Clavin said:
Rockhold got his ### whooped and doesn't deserve an immediate rematch.
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 Had it been a close, competitive fight, or if he was a long standing champ, then ya, rematch would makes sense.

 
AhrnCityPahnder said:
I have no problem with Hendo getting a shot.    I mean, sure, Jacare deserves it more.     But the UFC knows they can sell this fight.   And If anyone is going to get a "maybe they don't deserve this" bone thrown to them, Who better then Dan Henderson?    

  Please.    
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:lmao: :lmao:

 
Cliff Clavin said:
 Had it been a close, competitive fight, or if he was a long standing champ, then ya, rematch would makes sense.
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Righto. I'm just not as strict about the rematch guidelines as you. I find Weidman and Rockhold's cases for a title shot perfectly respectable. Still, like I said, I'm fine with Hendo/Bisping 2.

Even as a Brazilian who loves Jacaré's game, I have no problem admitting that if Hendo lands dat H-Bomb again, it would be more exciting than just about anything that could happen in a Jacaré/Bisping matchup.

 
I love Hendo - one of my all-time favorites. I am happy he's getting a shot. I agree with that division being weak. Let's get a fight that people want to see - Bisbing isn't going to hold that title long anyway.

 
AhrnCityPahnder said:
Yeah, he lost to Lawler (probably took 10 years off his life in that fight) and more recently lost the title eliminator vs Wonderboy.    

If I was him I'd take a bigger paycheck and the Bellator WW strap for a few years and re-negotiate to come back to the UFC after 5 fights.     I like a lot of the 170'ers in Bellator (Koreshkov, Lima, Ben Henderson, MVP) -- but Rory should go in there and on day 1 and wreck any of them.  
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Love the move or Rory's part.  He's going to make tons more money there.  My understanding is that it's not so much about the disclosed purses paid directly by UFC/Bellator, but the sponsorship money that big name guys like Rory can really take advantage of.  I'm sure it was mentioned here at the time, but a few months back Rogan had mentioned on his podcast that Benson Henderson's move to Bellator was going to be worth "literally hundreds of thousands of dollars more per fight" because he now had sponsorship capabilities that would have been otherwise handcuffed by Reebok in the UFC.

Love more of the bigger name guys going there, deepen the Bellator pool to create a better product for us fans/gamblers, and also light a fire under the UFC to get their #### together from a talent management standpoint before they destroy the progression of the sport at the professional level.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
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lol he really is a personality the UFC has to get behind some more. the guy comes up with things daily. 

and speaking of which, any casual MMA fan who wants to follow a more light-hearted site, MMAmania seems to have let some of their guys post some funny stuff while also being informative. their headlines are usually pretty cacthy too

ETA:  like this one, jsut good for a smile:  http://www.mmamania.com/2016/8/25/12640980/dopey-actor-picks-ufc-202-over-jennifer-lopez-earns-unconditional-release

   always loved Ben Fowlkes for his use of humour and smart writing, and i am sure there are others, but when he left cagepotato he wasn't able to keep the same thing going

 
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sheerterror said:
Love the move or Rory's part.  He's going to make tons more money there.  My understanding is that it's not so much about the disclosed purses paid directly by UFC/Bellator, but the sponsorship money that big name guys like Rory can really take advantage of.  I'm sure it was mentioned here at the time, but a few months back Rogan had mentioned on his podcast that Benson Henderson's move to Bellator was going to be worth "literally hundreds of thousands of dollars more per fight" because he now had sponsorship capabilities that would have been otherwise handcuffed by Reebok in the UFC.

Love more of the bigger name guys going there, deepen the Bellator pool to create a better product for us fans/gamblers, and also light a fire under the UFC to get their #### together from a talent management standpoint before they destroy the progression of the sport at the professional level.
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For me, i think the change in ownership with the UFC is such a huge game changer no one is talking about, so who knows how knew ownership will be. I was reading an article where GSP's team is meeting with the new owners to work on a deal, and if there is anyone effected by sponsorship it would be GSP over Bendo or Rory. i know that sponsorship money was drying up for some time too, so not sure how good it is (Ben Fowlkes wrote some good stories on the actuality of it) 

but i like the move for Rory too. He is kind of stuck right now, and he can go to Bellator and get some quality wins and not beat his body down. Could add years to his career. he can go there for a year or 2 and then go where he wants. I was super happy with the way Bellator treated Will Brooks and a delighted that it seems both companies are all about not screwing the fighters over. I remember how horrible the Eddie Alvarez thing was, and who knows what Rampage is doing

 
NutterButter said:
What?  He's coming back to fight Nick Diaz?  Silva fight would've been good like 3 years ago.   
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Rumours. Sounds like he'll be back for 206 in Toronto which makes a ton of sense. Saw one article saying a rumour about Nick.

Yeah but it would still be awesome to see now and a great headliner that doesn't involve a belt.

 
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Cliff Clavin said:
Rumours. Sounds like he'll be back for 206 in Toronto which makes a ton of sense. Saw one article saying a rumour about Nick.

Yeah but it would still be awesome to see now and a great headliner that doesn't involve a belt.
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I was hoping they would bring him in for the nyc inauguration. 

 
Welp. Just about the crappiest way to end it. Benson looked gunshy and Pitbull had the fight well under control before the injury, so now Chandler's facing a guy who's put in two straight poor performances in his Bellator run.

 
Abrantes said:
Welp. Just about the crappiest way to end it. Benson looked gunshy and Pitbull had the fight well under control before the injury, so now Chandler's facing a guy who's put in two straight poor performances in his Bellator run.
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Yeah I don't know what is going on with Bendo.   He just looked lost out there.   he's not the same fighter that we knew from WEC/UFC.    I hope he gets his head right because when he's on he's clearly one of the top guys in the world.    Looks like a broken shin for Patricio Pitbull, which sucks.     I've been watching PP for his last dozen or so fights in Bellator.   He strikes me as a Jorge Masvidal type , not his fighting style, but just his place in the pecking order and his show-appeal.  May always be a "B" tier fighter at best , but you better believe I'm going to tune in every time because that guy comes to fight.     If anyone didn't watch Bendo/Pitbull, honestly don't bother.   One of the worst main events I can recall.

However, the fight earlier was fantastic.    Go watch Derek Anderson / Saad Awad.    Great offensive and defensive grappling as well as two guys throwing hard leather.   

 
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