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[pantherclub]

As bad as the report is, some of the 900 pages of e-mails and other materials are even more ridiculous. The Powerpoint presentation to Butch Davis et al on what was happening after Crowder left is an especially nice touch.

but as long as Roy didnt know and Tobias will never forget watching those teams everything will be alright.

 

[Fiddles]

[SIZE=10.5pt]Every school has easy classes, sure. Fake classes not so much. If the below (excerpt from the NY Times) does provide a competitive advantage, I don't know what does:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]"In November 2009, Ms. Reynolds and other members of the academic support program convened a meeting of the football coaches to discuss how the departure of Ms. Crowder would affect the players’ academic standing. The counselors and coaches were “painfully aware,” the report said, “that Crowder’s retirement would require the whole football program to adjust to a new reality of having to meet academic requirements with real academic work.”[/SIZE]

In the meeting, two members of the football counseling staff explained to the assembled coaches that the classes “had played a large role in keeping underprepared and/or unmotivated players eligible to play.” To emphasize this point, they presented a PowerPoint demonstration in which one of the slides asked and then answered the question, “What was part of the solution in the past?”

“We put them in classes that met degree requirements in which … they didn’t go to class … they didn’t have to take notes, have to stay awake … they didn’t have to meet with professors … they didn’t have to pay attention or necessarily engage with the material,” the slide said. “THESE NO LONGER EXIST!”"

[SIZE=10.5pt]From the actual Wainstein report:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]"One case is particularly illustrative of this phenomenon. In Spring 2006, Professor Bereket Selassie taught a lecture class on North-East Africa, AFRI 124, with 25 enrolled students. At the end of the semester, Professor Selassie recorded a grade of AB (an incomplete grade that technically means “absent from the exam”) for a football player who never attended the lectures or the exam. When we asked Professor Selassie about this student, he was flabbergasted to see that the AB for that football player had been changed to an A- through a grade change form.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]We then interviewed both Crowder and the football player and learned that he was one of Crowder’s add-on students. She had placed the football player on Professor Selassie’s class roll, given him a paper topic and graded his paper. Crowder changed the grade from an AB to an A- using a grade change form and signed Nyang’oro’s name as instructor."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]and[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]"329 students (including 169 student-athletes) had at least one semester in which the grade they received in their paper class either pushed or kept their GPA above 2.0. In other words, for at least one semester in their college career, each of those students had an actual cumulative GPA above a 2.0 but a recalculated GPA (excluding the paper class grade(s)) below a 2.0. This number includes 123 football players, 15 men’s basketball players, eight women’s basketball players, and 26 Olympic sport athletes.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]And in those classes:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]In over 40% of the 150 papers (61 papers), 25% or more of the text was deemed unoriginal... Of those 61 papers with 25% or more of unoriginal content, the average grade was a 3.69 (or almost an A-)."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]This doesn't happen everywhere - this is massive, systemic academic fraud.[/SIZE]

holy ####

 

[saintfool]

So who on the 1992-93 championship all of a sudden needed to be kept eligible? Just asking since something like this doesn't just materialize out of the Carolina blue.

I haven't been following Carolina bball for a few years now, much less college ball in generall, but i looked into this with the headlines everywhere.

From CNN:

There were no findings regarding Smith, the renowned coach who is ill with dementia. For health reasons, the Wainstein team was also unable to interview his longtime No. 2 and eventual successor, Bill Guthridge.

The report does say that Smith's longtime academic adviser, the late Burgess McSwain, and her successor, Wayne Walden, knew about the paper classes.

McSwain, who died of cancer in 2004, was a very close friend to Crowder, the report says.

During the Smith years, 1961 to 1997, the report says there were 54 basketball players enrolled in paper classes, although the paper classes started in the spring of 1993, the year of Smith's final championship.

 

[tdoss]

Jesus...well, gotta give them credit. If you're gonna cheat...GO BIG. So big that people won't even believe it...just get absurd with it and do it so over the top that most will doubt that it's true.

Be the f'ing UNICORN of cheating.

 

[BassNBrew]

I see all the racists are weighing in on the African American studies.

 

[BassNBrew]

Yup. They've been cheating for half of my life. I'll say again.

Roughly about the same time State last won a conference football game.

 

[Aerial Assault]

Yup. They've been cheating for half of my life. I'll say again.

Roughly about the same time State last won a conference football game.

Ha hee! Sick burn, brah!!!

 

[chauncey]

This thread is 43 pages, just curious if there is anyone who cares about this that is not a UNC or NC State fan/alumni. Can we get a roll call?

 

[Balco]

So what will the penalty here be? If UCONN got a postseason ban in basketball for low apr, and this scandal is about 7 billion time worse, what is the penalty? 10 year postseason ban?

 

[Archer]

Can anyone quickly calculate UNC's record after they vacate 18 years of wins from all this cheating?? And isn't it SHOCKING that this all started the year after their rival won back to back national championships??

 

[Johnny Rock]

This thread is 43 pages, just curious if there is anyone who cares about this that is not a UNC or NC State fan/alumni. Can we get a roll call?

Here

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

This thread is 43 pages, just curious if there is anyone who cares about this that is not a UNC or NC State fan/alumni. Can we get a roll call?

This thread is 43 pages, just curious if there is anyone who cares about this that is not a UNC or NC State fan/alumni. Can we get a roll call?

I'm entertained by State's obsession with it but I wouldn't say I care.

 

[simey]

This thread is 43 pages, just curious if there is anyone who cares about this that is not a UNC or NC State fan/alumni. Can we get a roll call?

A Wake Forest/Michigan fan has posted the second most times (234) in this thread.

 

[simey]

This thread is 43 pages, just curious if there is anyone who cares about this that is not a UNC or NC State fan/alumni. Can we get a roll call?

This thread is 43 pages, just curious if there is anyone who cares about this that is not a UNC or NC State fan/alumni. Can we get a roll call?

I'm entertained by State's obsession with it but I wouldn't say I care.

Sure you care. You are always making snide comments regarding NC State and Duke.

 

[The Commish]

This thread is 43 pages, just curious if there is anyone who cares about this that is not a UNC or NC State fan/alumni. Can we get a roll call?

A Wake Forest/Michigan fan has posted the second most times (234) in this thread.

This must be me In fairness, probably 200 of those posts were showing pantherclub that he did indeed say stupid crap that he was saying he didn't. Didn't have much to do with UNC cheating. Though, it was a period of weakness on my part to not spit out the hook. For that I am still ashamed....so ashamed that I still take showers in rubbing alcohol while using a wire brush to scrub as my punishment.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

This thread is 43 pages, just curious if there is anyone who cares about this that is not a UNC or NC State fan/alumni. Can we get a roll call?

This thread is 43 pages, just curious if there is anyone who cares about this that is not a UNC or NC State fan/alumni. Can we get a roll call?

I'm entertained by State's obsession with it but I wouldn't say I care.

Sure you care. You are always making snide comments regarding NC State and Duke.

LOL. Where do I post about NC State other than their obsession with this thread?

 

[The Commish]

This thread is 43 pages, just curious if there is anyone who cares about this that is not a UNC or NC State fan/alumni. Can we get a roll call?

This thread is 43 pages, just curious if there is anyone who cares about this that is not a UNC or NC State fan/alumni. Can we get a roll call?

I'm entertained by State's obsession with it but I wouldn't say I care.

Sure you care. You are always making snide comments regarding NC State and Duke.

Caring about NC State/Duke obsession with UNC <> caring about whether UNC cheated or not (which is what the initial question was)

 

[Slapdash]

This thread is 43 pages, just curious if there is anyone who cares about this that is not a UNC or NC State fan/alumni. Can we get a roll call?

here

 

[simey]

This thread is 43 pages, just curious if there is anyone who cares about this that is not a UNC or NC State fan/alumni. Can we get a roll call?

This thread is 43 pages, just curious if there is anyone who cares about this that is not a UNC or NC State fan/alumni. Can we get a roll call?

I'm entertained by State's obsession with it but I wouldn't say I care.

Sure you care. You are always making snide comments regarding NC State and Duke.

Caring about NC State/Duke obsession with UNC <> caring about whether UNC cheated or not (which is what the initial question was)

Do you think I give a ####? By the way, that punishment you gave yourself seems a bit light.

 

[drfeelgood]

This thread is 43 pages, just curious if there is anyone who cares about this that is not a UNC or NC State fan/alumni. Can we get a roll call?

This thread is 43 pages, just curious if there is anyone who cares about this that is not a UNC or NC State fan/alumni. Can we get a roll call?

I'm entertained by State's obsession with it but I wouldn't say I care.

Sure you care. You are always making snide comments regarding NC State and Duke.

LOL. Where do I post about NC State other than their obsession with this thread?

Seriously?

 

[The Commish]

This thread is 43 pages, just curious if there is anyone who cares about this that is not a UNC or NC State fan/alumni. Can we get a roll call?

This thread is 43 pages, just curious if there is anyone who cares about this that is not a UNC or NC State fan/alumni. Can we get a roll call?

I'm entertained by State's obsession with it but I wouldn't say I care.

Sure you care. You are always making snide comments regarding NC State and Duke.

Caring about NC State/Duke obsession with UNC <> caring about whether UNC cheated or not (which is what the initial question was)

Do you think I give a ####? By the way, that punishment you gave yourself seems a bit light.

Based on the evidence of constantly going off topic, no, I don't think you give a ####. Just pointing it out for accuracy sake. Don't let me get in the way of your misguided rants. However, this IS the last post I will be making towards stuff like this. I don't want to run up my post count on another fishing trip and have to extend my punishment. So flail away

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

This thread is 43 pages, just curious if there is anyone who cares about this that is not a UNC or NC State fan/alumni. Can we get a roll call?

This thread is 43 pages, just curious if there is anyone who cares about this that is not a UNC or NC State fan/alumni. Can we get a roll call?

I'm entertained by State's obsession with it but I wouldn't say I care.

Sure you care. You are always making snide comments regarding NC State and Duke.

LOL. Where do I post about NC State other than their obsession with this thread?

Seriously?

Yes seriously.

I honestly don't give a #### about NC State one way or the other.

 

[simey]

This thread is 43 pages, just curious if there is anyone who cares about this that is not a UNC or NC State fan/alumni. Can we get a roll call?

This thread is 43 pages, just curious if there is anyone who cares about this that is not a UNC or NC State fan/alumni. Can we get a roll call?

I'm entertained by State's obsession with it but I wouldn't say I care.

Sure you care. You are always making snide comments regarding NC State and Duke.

Caring about NC State/Duke obsession with UNC <> caring about whether UNC cheated or not (which is what the initial question was)

Do you think I give a ####? By the way, that punishment you gave yourself seems a bit light.

Based on the evidence of constantly going off topic, no, I don't think you give a ####. Just pointing it out for accuracy sake. Don't let me get in the way of your misguided rants. However, this IS the last post I will be making towards stuff like this. I don't want to run up my post count on another fishing trip and have to extend my punishment. So flail away

Misguided rants? Do you have any sense of humor at all? I would rather go off topic, than to be constantly rude and condescending to people, and always stirring the pot like you.

 

[The Commish]

This thread is 43 pages, just curious if there is anyone who cares about this that is not a UNC or NC State fan/alumni. Can we get a roll call?

This thread is 43 pages, just curious if there is anyone who cares about this that is not a UNC or NC State fan/alumni. Can we get a roll call?

I'm entertained by State's obsession with it but I wouldn't say I care.

Sure you care. You are always making snide comments regarding NC State and Duke.

Caring about NC State/Duke obsession with UNC <> caring about whether UNC cheated or not (which is what the initial question was)

Do you think I give a ####? By the way, that punishment you gave yourself seems a bit light.

Based on the evidence of constantly going off topic, no, I don't think you give a ####. Just pointing it out for accuracy sake. Don't let me get in the way of your misguided rants. However, this IS the last post I will be making towards stuff like this. I don't want to run up my post count on another fishing trip and have to extend my punishment. So flail away

Misguided rants? Do you have any sense of humor at all? I would rather go off topic, than to be constantly rude and condescending to people, and always stirring the pot like you.

ok

 

[simey]

ok

You posted again. I reckon that means punishment extended.

 

[TPW]

This thread is 43 pages, just curious if there is anyone who cares about this that is not a UNC or NC State fan/alumni. Can we get a roll call?

Here.

NCAA Div. I has become a "good ol' boys" network of sorts with the same 20-25 biggest money making teams competing for national titles each year in any given sport and seemingly exempted from any meaningful discipline. The fact that schools like UNC have presented themselves as paragons of academic and athletic virtue while simultaneously engaging in highly unethical behavior makes people like myself want to see them get what they deserve, especially since Chapel Hill is an extremely left-leaning environ.

On an additional personal note, I spent some time in North Carolina during the late 1980's and remember the local press crucifying NC State's basketball coach, Jim Valvano, for infractions which were much less severe than anything UNC has done over the last 18 years. He was eventually exonerated of supposed "lack of institutional control" by a NCAA investigation but by that time his reputation had been damaged to the point where the school forced him out. Many of those reporters came from UNC's School of Journalism and Mass Communication. If you want to understand why NC State fans are so seemingly obsessed with their neighbors to the west you need look no further than the way they were treated in kind 25 years ago.

 

[The Commish]

ok

You posted again. I reckon that means punishment extended.

You should probably reread what I posted with regards to posting as many times as it takes. But given the propensity to mischaracterize and not stay on point, it will probably never sink in

 

[Aerial Assault]

ok

You posted again. I reckon that means punishment extended.

You should probably reread what I posted with regards to posting as many times as it takes. But given the propensity to mischaracterize and not stay on point, it will probably never sink in

I understood it perfectly and simey nailed it.

I'm another non-N.C.State grad/fan with interest in the epic UNC cheating.

 

[omally]

ok

You posted again. I reckon that means punishment extended.

You should probably reread what I posted with regards to posting as many times as it takes. But given the propensity to mischaracterize and not stay on point, it will probably never sink in

All you are doing is proving what she said right, and she is right.

 

[omally]

The fact that schools like UNC have presented themselves as paragons of academic and athletic virtue while simultaneously engaging in highly unethical behavior makes people like myself want to see them get what they deserve, especially since Chapel Hill is an extremely left-leaning environ.

Whether UNC is a liberal arts college or conservative college doesn't matter.

 

[Apple Jack]

NCAA Div. I has become a "good ol' boys" network of sorts with the same 20-25 biggest money making teams competing for national titles each year in any given sport and seemingly exempted from any meaningful discipline. The fact that schools like UNC have presented themselves as paragons of academic and athletic virtue while simultaneously engaging in highly unethical behavior makes people like myself want to see them get what they deserve, especially since Chapel Hill is an extremely left-leaning environ.

 

[Tango]

Syracuse fan here that cares. Of course the way it's going we might get our own shameful thread soon.

 

[The Commish]

ok

You posted again. I reckon that means punishment extended.

You should probably reread what I posted with regards to posting as many times as it takes. But given the propensity to mischaracterize and not stay on point, it will probably never sink in

I understood it perfectly and simey nailed it.

I'm another non-N.C.State grad/fan with interest in the epic UNC cheating.

I'll spell it out I guess I said I wasn't going to get back into a fishing trip like the one pantherclub lead me on where the bait and switch was in play. I never said I wouldn't respond to posts calling me names.

ok

You posted again. I reckon that means punishment extended.

You should probably reread what I posted with regards to posting as many times as it takes. But given the propensity to mischaracterize and not stay on point, it will probably never sink in

All you are doing is proving what she said right, and she is right.

You'll have to be more specific here. I pointed out her and RW were talking about two different things. She cusses at me. I tell her to continue as she sees fit. She calls me names and throws insults and I'm the ###. RW is right...you NCSU guys are a protective bunch.

 

[meanjoegreen]

You'll have to be more specific here. I pointed out her and RW were talking about two different things. She cusses at me. I tell her to continue as she sees fit. She calls me names and throws insults and I'm the ###. RW is right...you NCSU guys are a protective bunch.

She didn't call you names. She told you that you were rude and condescending to people, and that you like to stir the pot. She is 100% correct. For someone who likes to talk about Christianity, you do not walk the walk. You often treat people, at least on this site, very poorly.

 

[meanjoegreen]

I'll spell it out I guess I said I wasn't going to get back into a fishing trip like the one pantherclub lead me on where the bait and switch was in play. I never said I wouldn't respond to posts calling me names.

I'm pretty sure she was kidding with you on that, but you have to have a sense of humor to catch it.

 

[fatness]

This thread is 43 pages, just curious if there is anyone who cares about this that is not a UNC or NC State fan/alumni. Can we get a roll call?

Here

Here.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Pathetic NC State fans are still pathetic. Call me when you win anything.

 

[meanjoegreen]

Pathetic NC State fans are still pathetic. Call me when you win anything.

Why would you want people you view as so pathetic and beneath you to give you a call? You didn't attend UNC, but you sure picked up their arrogance and condescension when you hopped on the bandwagon.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

P.S. Stil laughing.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Pathetic NC State fans are still pathetic. Call me when you win anything.

Why would you want people you view as so pathetic and beneath you to give you a call? You didn't attend UNC, but you sure picked up their arrogance and condescension when you hopped on the bandwagon.

They sell the arrogance and condescenasion when you join up. It's sort of part of the deal. Like a fraterity.

 

[Smack Tripper]

No dog in this fight but I always thought dean was a phony. But an active duke hater who respects K. All that said.

Death penalty. Seriously.

 

[meanjoegreen]

Pathetic NC State fans are still pathetic. Call me when you win anything.

Why would you want people you view as so pathetic and beneath you to give you a call? You didn't attend UNC, but you sure picked up their arrogance and condescension when you hopped on the bandwagon.

They sell the arrogance and condescenasion when you join up. It's sort of part of the deal. Like a fraterity.

Hopefully if you have a kid or kids they don't buy what daddy bought.

 

[Archer]

Pathetic NC State fans are still pathetic. Call me when you win anything.

They (State) has won every game they have played against UNCheat over the last 18 years, that should count for something huh? Can't wait for those cheaters to get all those wins and titles vacated!!! WOOO HOOO!!!! DEATH PENALTY!!!

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Pathetic NC State fans are still pathetic. Call me when you win anything.

They (State) has won every game they have played against UNCheat over the last 18 years, that should count for something huh? Can't wait for those cheaters to get all those wins and titles vacated!!! WOOO HOOO!!!! DEATH PENALTY!!!

They has? Did you take English at UNC?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Pathetic NC State fans are still pathetic. Call me when you win anything.

Why would you want people you view as so pathetic and beneath you to give you a call? You didn't attend UNC, but you sure picked up their arrogance and condescension when you hopped on the bandwagon.

They sell the arrogance and condescenasion when you join up. It's sort of part of the deal. Like a fraterity.

Hopefully if you have a kid or kids they don't buy what daddy bought.

Well, mommy actually went there so she wants them to be fans. In fact, we live about a mile from the South Carolina border, with much lower taxes, but she refuses to move over the line because then UNC won't be a state school. But I'll try to work on them. To be honest though, the seven year old already has a hell of an attitude. Must be the UNC influence.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Pathetic NC State fans are still pathetic. Call me when you win anything.

They (State) has won every game they have played against UNCheat over the last 18 years, that should count for something huh? Can't wait for those cheaters to get all those wins and titles vacated!!! WOOO HOOO!!!! DEATH PENALTY!!!

LOL. You joke, but as a PSU fan I actually had a Temple fan say that now they have a winning record against PSU. I mean, really? LOL

 

[Archer]

Pathetic NC State fans are still pathetic. Call me when you win anything.

They (State) has won every game they have played against UNCheat over the last 18 years, that should count for something huh? Can't wait for those cheaters to get all those wins and titles vacated!!! WOOO HOOO!!!! DEATH PENALTY!!!

They has? Did you take English at UNC?

Did you watch the Duke-GT football game??

 

[The Commish]

You'll have to be more specific here. I pointed out her and RW were talking about two different things. She cusses at me. I tell her to continue as she sees fit. She calls me names and throws insults and I'm the ###. RW is right...you NCSU guys are a protective bunch.

She didn't call you names. She told you that you were rude and condescending to people, and that you like to stir the pot. She is 100% correct. For someone who likes to talk about Christianity, you do not walk the walk. You often treat people, at least on this site, very poorly.

Oh I certainly like to stir the pot. It's pretty entertaining. I wasn't being rude or condescending to point out that they were talking about two different things. I'm not a perfect person, so when attacked, I do tend to defend myself, but I am rarely, if ever, rude or condescending without provocation. You NCSU guys fit me into whatever little box you like. It doesn't really matter all that much to me. You know very little about me, but keep judging

 

[omally]

I wasn't being rude or condescending to point out that they were talking about two different things. I'm not a perfect person, so when attacked, I do tend to defend myself, but I am rarely, if ever, rude or condescending without provocation. You NCSU guys fit me into whatever little box you like. It doesn't really matter all that much to me. You know very little about me, but keep judging

I thought she was pretty spot on in what she said to RW, but that doesn't matter. She was joking with you in her response to what she said to RW, and you come back firing at her in your usual condescending way like she just said something about your mother. You are indeed rude and condescending to people often. I don't know what me being a NCSU fan has to do with how you treat people.

 

[The Commish]

I wasn't being rude or condescending to point out that they were talking about two different things. I'm not a perfect person, so when attacked, I do tend to defend myself, but I am rarely, if ever, rude or condescending without provocation. You NCSU guys fit me into whatever little box you like. It doesn't really matter all that much to me. You know very little about me, but keep judging

I thought she was pretty spot on in what she said to RW, but that doesn't matter. She was joking with you in her response to what she said to RW, and you come back firing at her in your usual condescending way like she just said something about your mother. You are indeed rude and condescending to people often. I don't know what me being a NCSU fan has to do with how you treat people.

Of course it matters....it's the crux of this latest apparent "controversy". RW said he doesn't care much about the scandal and she told him that he did because he makes snide comments about Duke and NCSU. "Spot on" isn't the term I'd use given it was completely off topic and a shot at RW. While what she said may/may not be factual, it has very little, if anything, to do with the question he was responding to. However, I AM guilty of making the distinction. If that's rude and condescending I guess I am guilty as charged I'm not sure why being NCSU fans matters either...seems to be the majority of folks taking exception to what I said to her, if not all. Not sure who AA roots for.