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Unclear On The Concept (1 Viewer)

Johnny Rock

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Two able-bodied young people are begging on the side of the road in front of Taco Bell.

Taco Bell has a huge "Now Hiring" sign painted on their windows.

I'll try to get a pic. 

Who else is unclear on the concept?

ETA Pics: http://i.imgur.com/I47cqaq.jpg

 
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They are starting to pass laws to prevent this type of begging.  Begging business must be good.

 
It is a complete :whoosh: to me that people give these people money..

I carry some Breakfast Bars and water bottles in my car for emergency and I'll hand out those sometimes..

But giving them money??? 

 
A buddy of mine worked at BofA right out of college in Santa Barbara, CA. (back in the late 90's)... a very popular spot for "homeless" as it is a very affluent area as well as touristy (people give more on vacation maybe?).

He said no less than 5 bank customers would come in "looking the part" and each had $100k + in their accounts.  

Plenty of news exposes on this.  "Homeless" driving around in brand new cars.

Of course it's a moneymaker.  

Sad!

 
It is a complete :whoosh: to me that people give these people money..

I carry some Breakfast Bars and water bottles in my car for emergency and I'll hand out those sometimes..

But giving them money??? 
Yep

My wife used to carry bags of granola bars, water, etc but out of the dozen or so times she gave a bag, only one person even said thank you.  Stereotype alert but they don't want food.  Besides, there's a lot of places with food pantries around here.  

The most irritating to me was a younger woman standing by the entrance to church one Sunday.  I guess that was smart, guilt trips work well at that point, but one of our many church employees (it's the south, ergo a mega church) brought her in to talk.  The woman didn't return. Hey, if you're going to beg at church prepare to be evangelized.

 
As has been already posted, a large majority of panhandlers are not homeless, though they try to pass themselves off as homeless.  They not only pray on the misplaced generosities of many people, but they oftentimes give the "homeless" a bad rap, particularly those that use aggressive tactics.  There are many places for people who are homeless to go and seek help, and many who are actually homeless meet outreach workers regularly, who develop rapport with homelessness individuals in order to try and entice them to seek help.

If you feel compelled to do something when you see a panhandler, think about giving to your local shelter instead (donate time, money, or expertise).  Or, if you really are compelled to help a particular individual, give them something they can use other than cash, like food or a blanket.

 
maybe Taco Bell won't hire them? it's *possible* that they're begging because they can't actually get the job, right? i mean, i know there aren't a lot of skills required to flip burgers or run a register but still. managers generally prefer candidates without criminal histories, mental health issues, and/or chronic homelessness. i have to think the person begging is not at the top of their "prime candidate" list...

 
maybe Taco Bell won't hire them? it's *possible* that they're begging because they can't actually get the job, right? i mean, i know there aren't a lot of skills required to flip burgers or run a register but still. managers generally prefer candidates without criminal histories, mental health issues, and/or chronic homelessness. i have to think the person begging is not at the top of their "prime candidate" list...
 I was about to say the same thing. Easy to prejudge people when you don't know the story behind their panhandling.

 
squistion said:
 I was about to say the same thing. Easy to prejudge people when you don't know the story behind their panhandling.
It's prejudice but prejudice based on experience.  

 
It's prejudice but prejudice based on experience.  
Seems more likely based on urban legends going back decades along with anecdotal evidence such as from My friend who works at the bank, etc., which can't be verified or disproven.

 
Seems more likely based on urban legends going back decades along with anecdotal evidence such as from My friend who works at the bank, etc., which can't be verified or disproven.
In my case it is from friends, and some personal experience,  but they don't work at the bank.  

 
How can you tell if someone has a mental illness from that picture? Able-bodied is one thing. Able-minded is another.

I used to be very judgmental of homeless folks begging, until I found one of my ex-employees begging on the streets. He had spent three years sleeping in parks and gutters becasue he was suffering some severe mental illness. I took him to an extended stay and put him up for a month. Since then, we have all pitched in to help him find a place and get back on his feet, but there's almost no way he can keep a job.

Everyone has extenuating circumstances, and until you really know someone and know their situation, it's probably best to give them the benifit of the doubt. You never know what's really going on.

 
saintfool said:
maybe Taco Bell won't hire them? it's *possible* that they're begging because they can't actually get the job, right? i mean, i know there aren't a lot of skills required to flip burgers or run a register but still. managers generally prefer candidates without criminal histories, mental health issues, and/or chronic homelessness. i have to think the person begging is not at the top of their "prime candidate" list...
seems impossible

this feels more like proof that some people are just inherently lazy and criminal.

i think phrenologists proved this a century ago but maybe "science" has changed since then.  you know, since science can't seem to take a stance on anything anymore like it once did.

 
So you say. Whatever. :shrug:
Seriously, what is your problem here?  I stated that many of us are prejudiced to assume the person panhandling on the street isn't homeless based on our prior experience.  As with any prejudice it isn't always, or probably even usually, right.  Most often, again based on our experiences (more my wife than me) they don't really want food.  Maybe that's because they know they can get food at various locations around the city and they want money to buy what they want - and I don't mean drugs or alcohol. 

The concept I'm personally unclear on is why we don't do more to encourage work programs over panhandling. 

 
So people here obviously haven't done much work with the homeless. Representing the "homeless" as largely six figure earning new car driving fugazis is flipping ridiculous. Are there a few of these unicorns out there? Sure maybe. But I think it's mostly a thinly veiled excuse to ignore the poor more than anything. Plenty of ways to reach out. 

 
dino259 said:
They are starting to pass laws to prevent this type of begging.  Begging business must be good.
As with many laws that aren't enforced this really doesn't help. Do you want your law enforcement, probably asking for more resources every year, to be spending their time on this?

 
I'm not sure why people assume that businesses want to hire every vagrant that wanders in front of their place. I know I wouldn't.

 
So people here obviously haven't done much work with the homeless. Representing the "homeless" as largely six figure earning new car driving fugazis is flipping ridiculous. Are there a few of these unicorns out there? Sure maybe. But I think it's mostly a thinly veiled excuse to ignore the poor more than anything. Plenty of ways to reach out. 
Pretty much the same crowd (although different people) that when the topic of food stamps comes up, are always giving anecdotal stories that someone ahead of them in line at the market, got steak, lobster, an expensive birthday cake, junk food or anything else except cheap inexpensive food like beans and rice.

Not saying that there are not people that don't abuse the system, but I am just extremely skeptical of these supposedly personal observations from anonymous posters on an internet message board.  

 
In the Phoenix area I give out $5.00 McDonalds cards.   not much but should cover a Big mac & water.   1/2 say thanks.   1/2 just mutter something I can't hear.

 
Pretty much the same crowd (although different people) that when the topic of food stamps comes up, are always giving anecdotal stories that someone ahead of them in line at the market, got steak, lobster, an expensive birthday cake, junk food or anything else except cheap inexpensive food like beans and rice.

Not saying that there are not people that don't abuse the system, but I am just extremely skeptical of these supposedly personal observations from anonymous posters on an internet message board.  
as I am skeptical of all the unnamed sources quoted by the NY Times & Wash Post, etc. in the pile on threads.

 
as I am skeptical of all the unnamed sources quoted by the NY Times & Wash Post, etc. in the pile on threads.
Those are from reputable, well known reporters that usually have a track record of using reliable sources (even though they are unnamed).
For instance what both the NYT and WaPo reported two weeks back about Jared Kushner being "a person of interest" in the Russian investigation was from anonymous/unnamed sources which subsequently has been confirmed to be true (and not denied by the Trump WH).

 
:lol:  So I'm supposed to believe some scumbag "homeless" guy panhandling on the street over a friend I've known and trusted for years?  Sure, that makes tons of sense.
Claim whatever you want. Your source can't be proven or disproven.

 
The concept is pretty clear: if enough suckers will give money or other items to panhandlers, there will be panhandlers.  If people wake up and stop giving to panhandlers, they will either turn to another scam or, those that are truly homeless, will eventually seek/accept professional help. 

 
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Seems more likely based on urban legends going back decades along with anecdotal evidence such as from My friend who works at the bank, etc., which can't be verified or disproven.
Hell, in another thread this would be grounds for impeachment 

 
I don't do anything to help the people in the middle of the road, but I'll stop and talk to people who are in pedestrian areas.  If they seem bat#### crazy or really just want food, I'll go get them a couple of cheeseburgers.

 
-OZ- said:
Yep

My wife used to carry bags of granola bars, water, etc but out of the dozen or so times she gave a bag, only one person even said thank you.  Stereotype alert but they don't want food.  


Are you saying anything doesn't help?

 
I don't do anything to help the people in the middle of the road, but I'll stop and talk to people who are in pedestrian areas.  If they seem bat#### crazy or really just want food, I'll go get them a couple of cheeseburgers.
Mmmm cheeseburgers.  I'd talk to you for a burger. 

 
Sure, it might. I think donating / volunteering at the shelters and food banks probably helps more.  As do the job clubs, training opportunities, etc.  
I think they're playing off the old "anything helps" signs that you see these scumbags holding.

My wife used to carry baggies with granola bars, fruit snacks, etc. taped to a bottle of water in her car with her.  And yup, half the people completely turned it down, maybe 25% just took it without saying thanks, and maybe 25% said thanks.

One time a guy was sitting outside a 7-11 and begged her to give him some money so his dog could eat (had a dog with him).  My wife said she'd help him out when she came out (he presumed with cash). She bought a can of dog food and handed it to him on her way out.  He swore at her. :lol:

They're supporting drug and alcohol habits, but hey, who am I to stereotype.  

You're right... want to make a difference?  Donate to a shelter.  Give them old blankets, jackets, etc.  Volunteer to help on holidays, etc.

I no longer give anything on the road, out and about, etc.  If these guys and gals want help, there are places for them.  I'm not gonna support drug habits.

 
Sure, it might. I think donating / volunteering at the shelters and food banks probably helps more.  As do the job clubs, training opportunities, etc.  


I think they're playing off the old "anything helps" signs that you see these scumbags holding.

My wife used to carry baggies with granola bars, fruit snacks, etc. taped to a bottle of water in her car with her.  And yup, half the people completely turned it down, maybe 25% just took it without saying thanks, and maybe 25% said thanks.

One time a guy was sitting outside a 7-11 and begged her to give him some money so his dog could eat (had a dog with him).  My wife said she'd help him out when she came out (he presumed with cash). She bought a can of dog food and handed it to him on her way out.  He swore at her. :lol:
Yup, most of the ones out at the intersections in my town have that on their signs, but don't really mean it. 

There's one that is obviously mentally unwell. I'll hand him something once in awhile and he's appreciative. 

The others are part of some group and they take shifts at the different hot spots, alternating every so often. 

 

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