Underrated fantasy Players heading into next season (1 Viewer)

[Banger]

Big Schaub fan...had him on all my teams this year and will try next year but he'll be more expensive..

Hasselbeck - good QB but was hurt and should get a lot of his injured weapons back.

Palmer depending on his injury status

RBs are tough but depending on how things shake out...LJ

Leon Washington

Chad Johnson

B. Edwards

Sidney Rice fan but they have to address the QB for him to have any value

Zach Miller

 

[Blackjacks]

Mendenhall - He will was drafted in the first round to be better than FWP and I think he will beQuinn - I think Brady has a great chance to be a top 5 qb next yearB. Edwards - see above........B Edwards is an elite qb and the Browns have alot to provve next yearSchaub - just stay healthy and your top 5Justin Gage - looked like a stud towards the end of the year, definetly the #1 wr option on the team

So Matt Schaub and Brady Quinn are both top 5... who are the other 3?

Schaub was close this year. He was 8th in PPG in my league behind Brees, Rivers, Warner, Cutler, Rodgers, Romo, and P. Manning. If someone had said last January that Rivers and Rodgers were going to be Top 5 and Romo and Manning were not you would have laughed them off too most likely.

Schaub, I believe was in the top three in points per a game (in games he played his avg) so I definetly wouldn't say that's a huge leap. As for Quinn, remember that Anderson was #6 a year ago despite missing the first two games. So are these two being in the top 5 really that unbelievable? I think not.

 

[David Yudkin]

Schaub, I believe was in the top three in points per a game (in games he played his avg) so I definetly wouldn't say that's a huge leap. As for Quinn, remember that Anderson was #6 a year ago despite missing the first two games. So are these two being in the top 5 really that unbelievable? I think not.

Schaub ranked 8th in PPG (at least in looking at a couple of my leagues). Anderson ranked 7th in PPR in PPG in 07 (although I'm not as keen on Quinn in 2009).

 

[Tanner9919]

Tom Brady.

+1Randy Moss. If Brady's healthy, why would you take Fitzgerald, AJ, or Calvin Johnson ahead of him?

because during the playoffs of the 2007 and the final 8 games of the 2007 season, Moss' catches/gm dropped significantly.so did yards/gm.final 8 games of 2007:6-655-533-26-18-125-34-453-365-67-22-87-11-13playoffs:1-141-185-62-1 against NYG..so if you want to toss out the 3 td game, he scored just 4 tds during the final 8 games of 2007.only one 100+ yard effort during the final 8 games..lousy disappearing act in the 2007 playoffs sans the SB TD catch late in the game..ever since the near miss loss the Philly , teams learned how to game-plan against him..with or without Brady, Moss is not going to be as big a deal as he was in the first 1/2 of the 2007 season..Owen DanielsShaubA. Bradshaw if Ward leaves NYG.Boldin,wherever he winds up.Chad JohnsonAaron RodgersSlatonKevin SmithMichael BushDisagree with the McFadden backers - dude showed nothing this season, doesn't avoid contact so his tough running style is going to lead to (more) injuries in the future...Tom Cable. Russell. Oakland franchise in general. If they don't trade Bush, it is going to be a full-blown 3-headed RBBC ,like no other..Chester TaylorFred Jackson

 

[David Yudkin]

Tom Brady.

+1Randy Moss. If Brady's healthy, why would you take Fitzgerald, AJ, or Calvin Johnson ahead of him?

because during the playoffs of the 2007 and the final 8 games of the 2007 season, Moss' catches/gm dropped significantly.so did yards/gm.final 8 games of 2007:6-655-533-26-18-125-34-453-365-67-22-87-11-13playoffs:1-141-185-62-1 against NYG..so if you want to toss out the 3 td game, he scored just 4 tds during the final 8 games of 2007.only one 100+ yard effort during the final 8 games..lousy disappearing act in the 2007 playoffs sans the SB TD catch late in the game..ever since the near miss loss the Philly , teams learned how to game-plan against him..with or without Brady, Moss is not going to be as big a deal as he was in the first 1/2 of the 2007 season..

Good theory, but this is somewhat flaVVed. Will the Pats be facing playoff teams that often (your limited data set includes 3 games from the playoffs)? Will the Pats play in cold weather with freezing rain and snow all season (again, you picked only the end of year stat)? Was Brady healthy the entire 2007 season (also a no)? Will Moss play every single down in 2009 like he almost did in 2007 that contributed to him wearing down (that one also is a no)? Will Moss be facing pending legal and court action like he was up against in 2007 at the end of the year (hard to know this one)?IMO, a starting point in your argument should be doubling his stats from the last 8 regular season games. (And BTW your numbers were off . . . you listed Moss' numbers from 2008 with Cassel).9-145-1 10-128-4 5-43-0 4-34-1 7-135-2 5-79-0 5-50-2 6-100-2 Total 51-714-12Those were his last 8 regular season games with Brady. Not sure there was much "figuring out" on the opponent's side.

 

[Mapmaker]

Chad Johnson stands out in my mind ... he played hurt and basically unwanted this season.

Miles Austin didn't get a lot of play in Dallas this season but when given a chance this kid was golden ... and I didn't hear his name mentioned in the TO and WR's go crying to the OC about Tony's love affair with Whitten.

James Hardey in Buffalo is someone I'll be watching closely this spring, he was a high 2nd round pick, has excellent size and a ton of untapped skills ... 2nd year in the Buffalo system might be enough ... if Buffalo wants to compete in the NFL passing game they gotta get rid of all their smurfs

 

[Blackjacks]

Schaub, I believe was in the top three in points per a game (in games he played his avg) so I definetly wouldn't say that's a huge leap. As for Quinn, remember that Anderson was #6 a year ago despite missing the first two games. So are these two being in the top 5 really that unbelievable? I think not.

Schaub ranked 8th in PPG (at least in looking at a couple of my leagues). Anderson ranked 7th in PPR in PPG in 07 (although I'm not as keen on Quinn in 2009).

I wasn't including the game in week 9 where he got hurt and left in the first half and ended up with only six points. That's, I believe, the difference in our #'s.DA ended up #5 but with my theory above of points per a game he is listed a little lower.

 

[Blackjacks]

Tom Brady.

+1Randy Moss. If Brady's healthy, why would you take Fitzgerald, AJ, or Calvin Johnson ahead of him?

because during the playoffs of the 2007 and the final 8 games of the 2007 season, Moss' catches/gm dropped significantly.so did yards/gm.final 8 games of 2007:6-655-533-26-18-125-34-453-365-67-22-87-11-13playoffs:1-141-185-62-1 against NYG..so if you want to toss out the 3 td game, he scored just 4 tds during the final 8 games of 2007.only one 100+ yard effort during the final 8 games..lousy disappearing act in the 2007 playoffs sans the SB TD catch late in the game..ever since the near miss loss the Philly , teams learned how to game-plan against him..with or without Brady, Moss is not going to be as big a deal as he was in the first 1/2 of the 2007 season..Owen DanielsShaubA. Bradshaw if Ward leaves NYG.Boldin,wherever he winds up.Chad JohnsonAaron RodgersSlatonKevin SmithMichael BushDisagree with the McFadden backers - dude showed nothing this season, doesn't avoid contact so his tough running style is going to lead to (more) injuries in the future...Tom Cable. Russell. Oakland franchise in general. If they don't trade Bush, it is going to be a full-blown 3-headed RBBC ,like no other..Chester TaylorFred Jackson

I agree with David, that was an extremly tough schedule down the stretch plus they were blowing out teams so bad Moss wasn't geting equal looks in the second half.

 

[thatguy]

Mendenhall - He will was drafted in the first round to be better than FWP and I think he will be

Quinn - I think Brady has a great chance to be a top 5 qb next year

B. Edwards - see above........B Edwards has an elite qb and the Browns have alot to provve next year

Schaub - just stay healthy and your top 5

Justin Gage - looked like a stud towards the end of the year, definetly the #1 wr option on the team

Regardless of how high you are on Quinn, this is a huge reach. Quite simply, Quinn has a long way to go before being considered remotely close to elite.

 

[Andy Herron]

D. Branch... If this guy could remain healthy (a huge IF) he could have a bit of fantasy value, especially if Crabtree does not go to Seattle

I've never understood the love for Branch. 26 TDs in 86 games and a 13 yards per reception average just don't excite me. Add in the injury factor and I'll pass thanks.

YR	TM      G	TRG	REC	YD	Y/R	TD2002	NE  	13	64	43	489	11.4	22003	NE	15	104	57	803	14.1	32004	NE	9	51	35	454	13.0	42005	NE	16	125	78	998	12.8	52006	SEA	14	101	53	725	13.7	42007	SEA	11	85	49	661	13.5	42008	SEA	8	59	30	412	13.7	4TOT		86	589	345	4542	13.2	26

No kidding. I couldn't agree more.He's been overvalued and overrated ever since he won that Super Bowl MVP award.One game does not a career make. Seattle bit hard on him and got bitten back.He's never amounted to much of anything.

 

[Andy Herron]

Miles Austin didn't get a lot of play in Dallas this season but when given a chance this kid was golden ... and I didn't hear his name mentioned in the TO and WR's go crying to the OC about Tony's love affair with Witten.

This is definitely a name you want to make note of. Big breakout season on the horizon.

 

[-OZ-]

...Sidney Rice fan but they have to address the QB for him to have any value

I'm targeting Travaris Jackson as my QB2

 

[Couch Potato]

Chad Johnson stands out in my mind ... he played hurt and basically unwanted this season.Miles Austin didn't get a lot of play in Dallas this season but when given a chance this kid was golden ... and I didn't hear his name mentioned in the TO and WR's go crying to the OC about Tony's love affair with Whitten.James Hardey in Buffalo is someone I'll be watching closely this spring, he was a high 2nd round pick, has excellent size and a ton of untapped skills ... 2nd year in the Buffalo system might be enough ... if Buffalo wants to compete in the NFL passing game they gotta get rid of all their smurfs

I'd be careful about expecting anything out of Hardy. If you recall, he tore his ACL fairly late in the year and even if he were a vet that would set him back for the first half of 2009. As a 2008 rookie who still hadn't grasped the offense, my guess is 2009 will be mostly a washout year yet again.

 

[trader jake]

Without checking stats, here's some players who come to mind:Torry Holt - tough year all around for him coming off injury and the Rams offensive woes. I don't expect a return to greatness, but I think he's a guy people will forget about. Roy Williams - this will probably be a guy who really gets more attention if T.O. leaves Dallas and won't belong on the list. But right now...Ray Rice - I know McGahee will still be in town in 2009, but I still like Rice and believe he will develop into a guy that could beat out McGahee sooner than later. Mark Clayton - Carter_Can_Fly makes a nice point about Mason, but Clayton shows flashes of what the Ravens expected from him. It's still not too late for him to develop, especially with a maturing Flacco. Trent Edwards - pre-Arizona game, Edwards had some impressive games in terms of completion percentage and managing the game as a 2nd year QB. One thing that I believe cannot be overstated is the value of continuity and the Bills do have that in their favor. If their OL Peters can stay healthy and add another weapon into the offensive arsenal, I think Edwards will become a productive player. Jerome Harrison - This is a guy who could as easily get cut in a new regime as he could take another step towards surprising fantasy owners. I really liked his skill sets in college and he shows flashes of it in the pros when he's on the field. Jason Hill - Many of you know I'm enamored with this prospect, but so was Mike Martz and I think he's seen a good receiver or two in his day. Nolan wasn't as thrilled about Hill because Hill was dealing with nagging injuries. He made strides in year two and I'm optimistic about year three.

You can have that whole list. I guess that's your whole point but that list if filled with a lot of hopes and dreams unlikely to be fulfilled in 2009.

 

[Two Deep]

Jordy Nelson - I think his PT will only increase and with the potential impending disaster of the Packers going 3-4 they may be playing from behind. A lot. This team is built to be a passing team anyway.

Impending disaster? Show me the success/failure rates when teams went to the 3-4. Miami did pretty well last year and Capers has a pretty good history doing it.James Jones.

You mean the next Sterling Sharpe

Do you like Jones this much or am I missing the sarcasm?

No sarcasm, I do like him that much. I think he could have the same type of game as a Sterling Sharpe or Anquan Boldin.

 

[Two Deep]

Chad Johnson stands out in my mind ... he played hurt and basically unwanted this season.Miles Austin didn't get a lot of play in Dallas this season but when given a chance this kid was golden ... and I didn't hear his name mentioned in the TO and WR's go crying to the OC about Tony's love affair with Whitten.James Hardey in Buffalo is someone I'll be watching closely this spring, he was a high 2nd round pick, has excellent size and a ton of untapped skills ... 2nd year in the Buffalo system might be enough ... if Buffalo wants to compete in the NFL passing game they gotta get rid of all their smurfs

I'd be careful about expecting anything out of Hardy. If you recall, he tore his ACL fairly late in the year and even if he were a vet that would set him back for the first half of 2009. As a 2008 rookie who still hadn't grasped the offense, my guess is 2009 will be mostly a washout year yet again.

My interest is peaked by Steve Johnson. He seems to have good skills and a boat load of confidence.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Chad Johnson stands out in my mind ... he played hurt and basically unwanted this season.Miles Austin didn't get a lot of play in Dallas this season but when given a chance this kid was golden ... and I didn't hear his name mentioned in the TO and WR's go crying to the OC about Tony's love affair with Whitten.James Hardey in Buffalo is someone I'll be watching closely this spring, he was a high 2nd round pick, has excellent size and a ton of untapped skills ... 2nd year in the Buffalo system might be enough ... if Buffalo wants to compete in the NFL passing game they gotta get rid of all their smurfs

I'd be careful about expecting anything out of Hardy. If you recall, he tore his ACL fairly late in the year and even if he were a vet that would set him back for the first half of 2009. As a 2008 rookie who still hadn't grasped the offense, my guess is 2009 will be mostly a washout year yet again.

My interest is peaked by Steve Johnson. He seems to have good skills and a boat load of confidence.

i agree. check out his stats at kentucky in 07

 

[dmac37]

...Sidney Rice fan but they have to address the QB for him to have any value

I'm targeting Travaris Jackson as my QB2

I picked up Jackson during his run at the end of the year in hopes he could be my #2 QB in a dynasty league. I have a feeling after he returned to his old ways in the playoff game there could be a new starting QB in Minn.

 

[Banger]

...Sidney Rice fan but they have to address the QB for him to have any value

I'm targeting Travaris Jackson as my QB2

I picked up Jackson during his run at the end of the year in hopes he could be my #2 QB in a dynasty league. I have a feeling after he returned to his old ways in the playoff game there could be a new starting QB in Minn.

they have everything in place and they can't afford to waste another year. I'd guess there's at least a 75% chance they bring a good vet QB in.

 

[B Will]

QB's

Quinn (same offense DA had in 07', Clevelands my home town. but ive seen Braylons ability.. im still confident in him.

Ryan(will just get better)

Eli ( if they bring in another WR how doesnt he break top 10)

RB's

Steve Slaton (Did just as good as CJ or Forte)

LT (most underrated player IMO)

Kevin Smith ( should get better as his career goes on.)

WR's

Wayne(hopefully Marvin gets out of there, Wayne would skyrocket)

VJax(chambers just getting older and older, Vjax proving more and more to SD)

Holmes(little off this season, but im confident in him)

Braylon(VERY SLUMP YEAR, should rebound)

 

[majstro]

A little surprised that Ted Ginn has not been mentioned. He is enterring his "magical" third year and coming off of a 56-catch 790-yard year. He had over 1,500 total yards if you count return yards. Needs to continue improving route running and get in the endzone more. Most rankings have him in the late 30's to 40's, but could he be a solid two/three receiver next year. Certainly worth watching.

Other receivers enterring their third year next year include:

Round Pick Player

1 2 Calvin Johnson

1 9 Ted Ginn Jr.

1 23 Dwayne Bowe

1 27 Robert Meachem

1 30 Craig Davis

1 32 Anthony Gonzalez

2 44 Sidney Rice

2 45 Dwayne Jarrett

2 51 Steve Smith

3 73 Jacoby Jones

3 74 Yamon Figurs

3 75 Laurent Robinson

3 76 Jason Hill

3 78 James Jones

3 79 Mike Walker

3 99 Johnnie Lee Higgins

5 142 Steve Breaston

6 210 Jordan Kent

7 235 Chansi Stuckey

 

[travdogg]

QB's Quinn (same offense DA had in 07', Clevelands my home town. but ive seen Braylons ability.. im still confident in him.Ryan(will just get better)Eli ( if they bring in another WR how doesnt he break top 10)RB'sSteve Slaton (Did just as good as CJ or Forte)LT (most underrated player IMO)Kevin Smith ( should get better as his career goes on.)WR'sWayne(hopefully Marvin gets out of there, Wayne would skyrocket)VJax(chambers just getting older and older, Vjax proving more and more to SD)Holmes(little off this season, but im confident in him)Braylon(VERY SLUMP YEAR, should rebound)

I agree with you at WR and maybe Quinn, but I think all of those RBs will be overrated. I wouldn't take Slaton or LT in the top-25. Smith probably should be a 4th or 5th rounder, but if Detroit doesn't bring in another back, he'll probably go too high.

 

[gonzobill5]

A little surprised that Ted Ginn has not been mentioned. He is enterring his "magical" third year and coming off of a 56-catch 790-yard year. He had over 1,500 total yards if you count return yards. Needs to continue improving route running and get in the endzone more. Most rankings have him in the late 30's to 40's, but could he be a solid two/three receiver next year. Certainly worth watching.

Other receivers enterring their third year next year include:

Round Pick Player

1 2 Calvin Johnson

1 9 Ted Ginn Jr.

1 23 Dwayne Bowe

1 27 Robert Meachem

1 30 Craig Davis

1 32 Anthony Gonzalez

2 44 Sidney Rice

2 45 Dwayne Jarrett

2 51 Steve Smith

3 73 Jacoby Jones

3 74 Yamon Figurs

3 75 Laurent Robinson

3 76 Jason Hill

3 78 James Jones

3 79 Mike Walker

3 99 Johnnie Lee Higgins

5 142 Steve Breaston

6 210 Jordan Kent

7 235 Chansi Stuckey

I think Ginn has been set up to disappoint by going #9 overall or whatever it was. I recall him going way to early in a few drafts in 08. I'd be surprised if he broke out this year with weak armed Pennington getting him the ball, but he's off the radar now so he'll still have good value if 08 is his floor. Thanks for posting the 3rd year WRs. I bolded a few that I think could take a step forward next year.

 

[David Yudkin]

He is enterring his "magical" third year.

FYI -This is a myth . . . an urban legend so to speak. For some reason people take this to the bank as "the year" for WR breakouts, but it's been shown that WR breakout in just about any season yet the third year gets the reputation for some reason. The third year did not have a significant breakout correlation than other years did.

 

[greyone]

He is enterring his "magical" third year.

FYI -This is a myth . . . an urban legend so to speak. For some reason people take this to the bank as "the year" for WR breakouts, but it's been shown that WR breakout in just about any season yet the third year gets the reputation for some reason. The third year did not have a significant breakout correlation than other years did.

This theory is proven to sell fantasy subscriptions...sshhhh. It is also proven to serve as a viable fantasy article for the purpose of attracting sheep.

 

[FUBAR]

He is enterring his "magical" third year.

FYI -This is a myth . . . an urban legend so to speak. For some reason people take this to the bank as "the year" for WR breakouts, but it's been shown that WR breakout in just about any season yet the third year gets the reputation for some reason. The third year did not have a significant breakout correlation than other years did.

I could be remembering wrong, but hasn't the 3rd year been the last year for the future elite WRs to break out? (for the vast majority)IOW, if you draft a WR in his 3rd year expecting him to break out and he doesn't, the odds he ever will fall quite a bit?

 

[gonzobill5]

Other guys I think will be underrated:

QBs

Delhomme - just hear me out. that playoff game left a bad taste in everyone's mouth, and his arm might be completely cooked. but he still has weapons, and i suspect some time off will allow him to get some strength back in his arm. I'd imagine you can get this guy as the 3rd part of a QBBC and be pretty happy.

Orton - at one point in the year he was outperforming Manning - and he had NO ONE at WR. He's got a weapon with Forte, solid TE's, and a deep threat with Hester. If they bring in another guy with some talent, I'd be interested in this drunkard.

Garrard - thought 08 would be his year, but so did everyone else. If they bolster that line and give him some more time, I think he returns to his 07 pace or improves.

Hasselbeck - he's always underrated, but coming off this nightmare season he'll probably be even moreso.

WRs

Kevin Curtis - i think the presence of Jackson as a deep threat opens things up for White Lightning. I still don't like his hands though.

Mark Clayton - I like Flacco's deep ball and Baltimore has shown that they'll take chances down field.

RBs

Rhodes - thought he outplayed Addai all year in every facet of the game. I think some will be eyeing Addai for a bounce back year but I don't think its coming.

Arrington - I thought he'd eventually get his shot in AZ. Now I'm not so sure, but he's a FA and I'm hoping he lands somewhere that he can compete for a starting job.

Norwood - He's very explosive, especially on turf. I think he could earn himself a few more carries late in games when defenses get tired.

 

[David Yudkin]

He is enterring his "magical" third year.

FYI -This is a myth . . . an urban legend so to speak. For some reason people take this to the bank as "the year" for WR breakouts, but it's been shown that WR breakout in just about any season yet the third year gets the reputation for some reason. The third year did not have a significant breakout correlation than other years did.

I could be remembering wrong, but hasn't the 3rd year been the last year for the future elite WRs to break out? (for the vast majority)IOW, if you draft a WR in his 3rd year expecting him to break out and he doesn't, the odds he ever will fall quite a bit?

I suppose it depends what you consider a breakout season. Using 150 fantasy points as a breakout year, here's a random sampling . . .Joe Horn 5th yearCris Carter 7thRod Smith 3rdTorry Holt 2ndJimmy Smith 5thJames Lofton 4thTim Brown 6thMichael Irvin 4thDerrick Mason 5thChad Johnson 3rdHines Ward 5thMarvin Harrison 4thIsaac Bruce 2ndRandy Moss 1stAndre Rison 2ndSteve Smith 3rdT.J. Houshmandzadeh 5thAntonio Bryant 7thTony Martin 6thObviously if you set the bar lower than some of these guys would change when they brokeout. But IMO a WR could start playing a big role in the right situation at any point in his career (ie Bobby Engram 12th).As for you 3 year rule for keeping guys on a dynsaty squad, IMO it stands to reason that you can't keep someone rostered forever on the chance that at some point he might do something. Each owner will have a different thresh hold, but 3 years seems like a decent amount of time to see if someone is going to get a bigger role or not.

 

[scothawk]

...Sidney Rice fan but they have to address the QB for him to have any value

I'm targeting Travaris Jackson as my QB2

So are the Vikings

 

[FUBAR]

He is enterring his "magical" third year.

FYI -This is a myth . . . an urban legend so to speak. For some reason people take this to the bank as "the year" for WR breakouts, but it's been shown that WR breakout in just about any season yet the third year gets the reputation for some reason. The third year did not have a significant breakout correlation than other years did.

I could be remembering wrong, but hasn't the 3rd year been the last year for the future elite WRs to break out? (for the vast majority)IOW, if you draft a WR in his 3rd year expecting him to break out and he doesn't, the odds he ever will fall quite a bit?

I suppose it depends what you consider a breakout season. Using 150 fantasy points as a breakout year, here's a random sampling . . .Joe Horn 5th yearCris Carter 7thRod Smith 3rdTorry Holt 2ndJimmy Smith 5thJames Lofton 4thTim Brown 6thMichael Irvin 4thDerrick Mason 5thChad Johnson 3rdHines Ward 5thMarvin Harrison 4thIsaac Bruce 2ndRandy Moss 1stAndre Rison 2ndSteve Smith 3rdT.J. Houshmandzadeh 5thAntonio Bryant 7thTony Martin 6thObviously if you set the bar lower than some of these guys would change when they brokeout. But IMO a WR could start playing a big role in the right situation at any point in his career (ie Bobby Engram 12th).As for you 3 year rule for keeping guys on a dynsaty squad, IMO it stands to reason that you can't keep someone rostered forever on the chance that at some point he might do something. Each owner will have a different thresh hold, but 3 years seems like a decent amount of time to see if someone is going to get a bigger role or not.

hmmm... let's look at the guys who may be elite (IMO, Horn, Martin, Mason and Hines don't really apply) and "busted out" after their 3rd year...Jimmy Smith 5th - 83/1244/7 his 3rd yearJames Lofton 4th - 71/1226/4 his 3rd yearT.J. Houshmandzadeh 5th - 73/978/4 in his 3rd yearMarvin Harrison 4th - he at least looked ok before PeytonCris Carter 7th - Tim Brown 6th - Michael Irvin 4th - Like you said, it depends on how you define breakout season.Marvin, Irvin, Brown and Carter show my memory is faulty, but those still seem rare. They are among the best ever at the position though

 

[B Will]

ant thoughts on sproles??

 

[dirty_martini]

TJ DuckettDuckett is familiar with Mora/Knapp and he doesn't have a pros pro like Warrick Dunn in front of him. Will be a short yardage vulture and may even get an even or primary slice of carries in a tandem with Julius Jones.Think Lendale White 2008...

That one looks reasonable right now, but I don't believe for a second that Seattle is going to go into next year with just Jones and Duckett at RB.I see them drafting a guy,probably at the top of round 2, or bringing in a free agent that is better than Jones or Duckett(they wouldn't have to look too hard)

Duckett stats always look good when he plays but he rarely plays. And can't stick with a team. I have to think there is a problem with his game that is not apparent in the stats. Something like can't block or won't practice or something. He seems to be a talented runner and can catch so he's worth a flyer if he's on a team but only a flyer in my book.

 

[LBH]

David Clowney. I think Coles could be dealt this offseason and Clowney is the most likely player to fill that void opposite Cotchery. Hes a pretty deep sleeper but he is probably on waivers or buried on somebodys roster and probably wont cost much.

other players ive been targeting in PPR dynasty leagues that dont have a big price tag...M.Bush, James Jones, D.Mcfadden, A.Bradshaw, Cotchery, M.Jenkins, Holt, M.Walker, Johnny Lee Higgins

 

[FUBAR]

David Clowney. I think Coles could be dealt this offseason and Clowney is the most likely player to fill that void opposite Cotchery. Hes a pretty deep sleeper but he is probably on waivers or buried on somebodys roster and probably wont cost much.

other players ive been targeting in PPR dynasty leagues that dont have a big price tag...M.Bush, James Jones, D.Mcfadden, A.Bradshaw, Cotchery, M.Jenkins, Holt, M.Walker, Johnny Lee Higgins

Why Jenkins? With Robinson and Douglas around, Jenkins may not be on the field much.

 

[Banger]

ant thoughts on sproles??

it'll obviously depend on what happens with him... will he be signed somewhere? will he Chargers let LT walk?

 

[Tornacl]

Phillip Rivers - guy had a great year, but no one seems to want him. he'll fall quite a ways further than he should and end up being a good value.

In the WSL's he has been QB3, QB3, and QB3. Seems like if you want him he will cost you. He is only behind Brees and Manning.

In dynasty leagues, no one wants him. I've got him as my second QB, and no one will take him.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Phillip Rivers - guy had a great year, but no one seems to want him. he'll fall quite a ways further than he should and end up being a good value.

In the WSL's he has been QB3, QB3, and QB3. Seems like if you want him he will cost you. He is only behind Brees and Manning.

In dynasty leagues, no one wants him. I've got him as my second QB, and no one will take him.

In my dynasty league, Rivers was a coveted commodity. His owner also had Cutler, and got several decent offers for Rivers throughout the season (including 2 first round picks from me). In week 10 he was traded along with Santonio Holmes for Brandon Marshall and Brett Favre. Thats decent value (remember that in week 10, Favre was still putting up decent numbers). I think to say that Rivers is not valued in dynasty leagues is false. He may not be valued in your particular league, but I bet he has plenty of value in most. He is a young QB on a good offense who threw for 4000 yards and led the NFL in TDs. Anyone who does not value that should reevaluate their criteria for value IMO.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

Aaron Rodgers

Matt Schaub

 

[Sleeper 43]

Without checking stats, here's some players who come to mind:

Torry Holt - tough year all around for him coming off injury and the Rams offensive woes. I don't expect a return to greatness, but I think he's a guy people will forget about.

Roy Williams - this will probably be a guy who really gets more attention if T.O. leaves Dallas and won't belong on the list. But right now...

Ray Rice - I know McGahee will still be in town in 2009, but I still like Rice and believe he will develop into a guy that could beat out McGahee sooner than later.

Mark Clayton - Carter_Can_Fly makes a nice point about Mason, but Clayton shows flashes of what the Ravens expected from him. It's still not too late for him to develop, especially with a maturing Flacco.

Trent Edwards - pre-Arizona game, Edwards had some impressive games in terms of completion percentage and managing the game as a 2nd year QB. One thing that I believe cannot be overstated is the value of continuity and the Bills do have that in their favor. If their OL Peters can stay healthy and add another weapon into the offensive arsenal, I think Edwards will become a productive player.

Jerome Harrison - This is a guy who could as easily get cut in a new regime as he could take another step towards surprising fantasy owners. I really liked his skill sets in college and he shows flashes of it in the pros when he's on the field.

Jason Hill - Many of you know I'm enamored with this prospect, but so was Mike Martz and I think he's seen a good receiver or two in his day. Nolan wasn't as thrilled about Hill because Hill was dealing with nagging injuries. He made strides in year two and I'm optimistic about year three.

We think alike , Good calls

 

[Moe Green]

ant thoughts on sproles??

He'll probably be overvalued by most no matter what happens.

 

[munchkin]

How about Mario Manningham? I know his status has been clouded with injuries and he has attitude concerns but I like to think (of course this is probably irrational) that with all the legal issues he has seen going on around him (Plaxico, Bradshaw) he would "get it" and use his energy to do what he has to do to get on the field.

 

[Liquid Tension]

...Sidney Rice fan but they have to address the QB for him to have any value

I'm targeting Travaris Jackson as my QB2

So are the Vikings

 

[Tornacl]

Phillip Rivers - guy had a great year, but no one seems to want him. he'll fall quite a ways further than he should and end up being a good value.

In the WSL's he has been QB3, QB3, and QB3. Seems like if you want him he will cost you. He is only behind Brees and Manning.

In dynasty leagues, no one wants him. I've got him as my second QB, and no one will take him.

In my dynasty league, Rivers was a coveted commodity. His owner also had Cutler, and got several decent offers for Rivers throughout the season (including 2 first round picks from me). In week 10 he was traded along with Santonio Holmes for Brandon Marshall and Brett Favre. Thats decent value (remember that in week 10, Favre was still putting up decent numbers). I think to say that Rivers is not valued in dynasty leagues is false. He may not be valued in your particular league, but I bet he has plenty of value in most. He is a young QB on a good offense who threw for 4000 yards and led the NFL in TDs. Anyone who does not value that should reevaluate their criteria for value IMO.

I had started a thread on it previously, no one seemed to chime in otherwise. Even though his stats and age are approximately the same, he gets no where near the fantasy love as Cutler, Ryan, Rodgers and others. In dynasty format with age being such a primary concern, I would personally think that he should be valued much higher than what I've seen.http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=448836&hl=

 

[Garts]

Owen Daniels...he will be DEADLY if Schaub is healthy all year.

 

[BeTheMatch]

QB's

Quinn (same offense DA had in 07', Clevelands my home town. but ive seen Braylons ability.. im still confident in him.

Ryan(will just get better)

Eli ( if they bring in another WR how doesnt he break top 10)

RB's

Steve Slaton (Did just as good as CJ or Forte)

LT (most underrated player IMO)

Kevin Smith ( should get better as his career goes on.)

WR's

Wayne(hopefully Marvin gets out of there, Wayne would skyrocket)

VJax(chambers just getting older and older, Vjax proving more and more to SD)

Holmes(little off this season, but im confident in him)

Braylon(VERY SLUMP YEAR, should rebound)

I don't see how you can possibly think Slaton is underrated going into next year.And Wayne? "If Marvin gets out of there." Why? Was Marvin somehow eating into Wayne's numbers this year?????

 

[LBH]

David Clowney. I think Coles could be dealt this offseason and Clowney is the most likely player to fill that void opposite Cotchery. Hes a pretty deep sleeper but he is probably on waivers or buried on somebodys roster and probably wont cost much.

other players ive been targeting in PPR dynasty leagues that dont have a big price tag...M.Bush, James Jones, D.Mcfadden, A.Bradshaw, Cotchery, M.Jenkins, Holt, M.Walker, Johnny Lee Higgins

Why Jenkins? With Robinson and Douglas around, Jenkins may not be on the field much.

the Falcons signed Jenkins to a 4 year 20 million dollar contract in November. He also only had 1 game of less than 48 yards recieving since week 6. While Douglas, and Robinson have upside, Im not sure Douglas will move out of the slot or if Robinson can take over the starting spot even if he stays healthy. Jenkins was a 1st rd pick in 04 and I think a lot of his development could have been hampered by Vick. I dont think Jenkins is going to set the world on fire, but he could be a decent "throw in" player in a trade or a late rd flier if youre drafting deep rosters.

 

[big country]

QB's

Quinn (same offense DA had in 07', Clevelands my home town. but ive seen Braylons ability.. im still confident in him.

Ryan(will just get better)

Eli ( if they bring in another WR how doesnt he break top 10)

RB's

Steve Slaton (Did just as good as CJ or Forte)

LT (most underrated player IMO)

Kevin Smith ( should get better as his career goes on.)

WR's

Wayne(hopefully Marvin gets out of there, Wayne would skyrocket)

VJax(chambers just getting older and older, Vjax proving more and more to SD)

Holmes(little off this season, but im confident in him)

Braylon(VERY SLUMP YEAR, should rebound)

I don't see how you can possibly think Slaton is underrated going into next year.And Wayne? "If Marvin gets out of there." Why? Was Marvin somehow eating into Wayne's numbers this year?????

LOL very

 

[Sea Bass]

Ronnie Brown

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Phillip Rivers - guy had a great year, but no one seems to want him. he'll fall quite a ways further than he should and end up being a good value.

In the WSL's he has been QB3, QB3, and QB3. Seems like if you want him he will cost you. He is only behind Brees and Manning.

In dynasty leagues, no one wants him. I've got him as my second QB, and no one will take him.

In my dynasty league, Rivers was a coveted commodity. His owner also had Cutler, and got several decent offers for Rivers throughout the season (including 2 first round picks from me). In week 10 he was traded along with Santonio Holmes for Brandon Marshall and Brett Favre. Thats decent value (remember that in week 10, Favre was still putting up decent numbers). I think to say that Rivers is not valued in dynasty leagues is false. He may not be valued in your particular league, but I bet he has plenty of value in most. He is a young QB on a good offense who threw for 4000 yards and led the NFL in TDs. Anyone who does not value that should reevaluate their criteria for value IMO.

I have to disagree. Favre in a dynasty? Sounds like Rivers and Holmes for Marshall (the guy didn't need Favre that year since he had Cutler), and I don't like that trade if I'm giving up Rivers.Then again, I think Andre Johnson will be underrated next year because he's my candidate to be the #1 fantasy receiver and worthy of a top five pick in PPR leagues. I see the Texans as a playoff team next year and maybe having a cards-like run. So what do I know?

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Phillip Rivers - guy had a great year, but no one seems to want him. he'll fall quite a ways further than he should and end up being a good value.

In the WSL's he has been QB3, QB3, and QB3. Seems like if you want him he will cost you. He is only behind Brees and Manning.

In dynasty leagues, no one wants him. I've got him as my second QB, and no one will take him.

In my dynasty league, Rivers was a coveted commodity. His owner also had Cutler, and got several decent offers for Rivers throughout the season (including 2 first round picks from me). In week 10 he was traded along with Santonio Holmes for Brandon Marshall and Brett Favre. Thats decent value (remember that in week 10, Favre was still putting up decent numbers). I think to say that Rivers is not valued in dynasty leagues is false. He may not be valued in your particular league, but I bet he has plenty of value in most. He is a young QB on a good offense who threw for 4000 yards and led the NFL in TDs. Anyone who does not value that should reevaluate their criteria for value IMO.

I have to disagree. Favre in a dynasty? Sounds like Rivers and Holmes for Marshall (the guy didn't need Favre that year since he had Cutler), and I don't like that trade if I'm giving up Rivers.Then again, I think Andre Johnson will be underrated next year because he's my candidate to be the #1 fantasy receiver and worthy of a top five pick in PPR leagues. I see the Texans as a playoff team next year and maybe having a cards-like run. So what do I know?

I hear you - but at that point it looked like Favre may have 1-2 more serviceable years in him. Looking at it now, it looks like it was just Rivers/Holmes for Marshall, but at that time, Favre was not devoid of any value. Also, at that time Marshall still looked like a top 3 WR candidate. He did not finish the year strong, but still goes into next year with top 5 potential, and as a potential "nucleus" type player. You have to give up a lot to get a player like Marshall in a Dynasty league.