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Undervalued for 2012 (1 Viewer)

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wiscstlatlmia

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QBs

Phillip Rivers

Sam Bradford

Josh Freeman

Michael Vick

Jake Locker

RBs

Chris Johnson

CJ Spiller

Mark Ingram

Donald Brown

Rashard Mendenhall

Toby Gerhart

Jamaal Charles

Daniel Thomas

Jacquizz Rodgers

Stevan Ridley

WRs

Santonio Holmes

Desean Jackson

Arrelious Benn

Greg Little

Darrius Heyward Bey

Denarius Moore

Kenny Britt

Michael Crabtree

Demaryius Thomas

Sidney Rice

Andre Johnson

Kyle Williams

Brandon Lloyd

Larry Fitzgerald

Brandon Marshall

Torrey Smith

Damian Williams

Titus Young

Randall Cobb

TEs

Jason Witten

Vernon Davis

Jermaine Gresham

Feed Davis

 
I would add Carson Palmer to the QB list.

He hasn't been good this year but with a full training camp and healthy wide receivers (the original posted even including two of them on the WR list), Palmer will be undervalued for 2012.

 
'Utter Chaos said:
I would add Carson Palmer to the QB list. He hasn't been good this year but with a full training camp and healthy wide receivers (the original posted even including two of them on the WR list), Palmer will be undervalued for 2012.
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Can his bum arm all of a sudden get the velocity back from when he was good?
 
Wouldn't touch Ingram in a redraft, but in a dynasty I would buy if the price was reasonable. No reason why he can't eventually pull a Cedric Benson, Marshawn Lynch, or Thomas Jones style revival once he finally gets a consistent 15+ touches every week.

 
agree totally on Ingram being undervalued as you can see already in this thread but Chris Johnson is on the wrong list. he will still be overvalued next year in my mind. don't think Fitz or AJ will slip by people. I think Malcom Floyd will be undervalued at WR and Aaron Hernandez at TE

 
'EBF said:
Wouldn't touch Ingram in a redraft, but in a dynasty I would buy if the price was reasonable. No reason why he can't eventually pull a Cedric Benson, Marshawn Lynch, or Thomas Jones style revival once he finally gets a consistent 15+ touches every week.
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Agreed, however I'm still wondering why footballguys pimped him up so high this year, there was no wary I was touching this kid over either Julio or AJ in dynasty drafts and certainly not in most redrafts.
 
I think Hakeem Nicks is going to be severely devalued. I would bet my life Victor Cruz doesn't have anything resembling this season ever again, and those targets and yards will shift Nicks' direction.

 
'Multiple Scores said:
Not sure why Ingram would be undervalued, he sucks and is so overrated as it is.
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Psst, check out what CJ Spiller is doing right now! Or even Darrius Heyward Bey, Demaryius Thomas and Michael Crabtree! Cardinal sin is giving up on young talented guys after one year. Not only do they cast them out, but usually once people claim someone is a bust, they are the last to come around when they actually show legitimate talent. People are still downing Bey for his hands and how miserable of a natural WR he is, when if you just watched him play this year, you would know it simply isn't true
 
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'wiscstlatlmia said:
'Multiple Scores said:
Not sure why Ingram would be undervalued, he sucks and is so overrated as it is.
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Psst, check out what CJ Spiller is doing right now! Or even Darrius Heyward Bey, Demaryius Thomas and Michael Crabtree! Cardinal sin is giving up on young talented guys after one year. Not only do they cast them out, but usually once people claim someone is a bust, they are the last to come around when they actually show legitimate talent. People are still downing Bey for his hands and how miserable of a natural WR he is, when if you just watched him play this year, you would know it simply isn't true
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I agree with you on DHB specifically. I drafted him in both my dynasties and never even shopped him. I was in agreement with the draft pundits on him that he was "raw, a project, someone who would need to develop". Just be cause Al Davis tried to force him into starting right away people in fantasy called him a bust quickly in his rookie year. CJ Spiller is a player I targetted prior to Fred Jackson's injury but his owners held firm. I love Crabtrees talent but traded him for a 1st rounder to a team I thought would have 1.1 and the gamble paid off. I don't like Ingram, as a RB3 he would be a possibility, not an exciting one to me but there are FBG junkies in my leagues who thought and still think this guy is a RB1 with upside. So I agree with your point but Ingram never impressed me and likely will never be on any of my teams cause others are much higher.
 
Ingram gets nicked alot, especially for the number of carries he gets. He should be 6th round or later. For a guy getting 13 or 14 touches a game he missed quite a few games.

Malcolm Floyd will be interesting, and A Hernandez may be also.

A Johnson is always hurt and so frustrating, I wish I could go back to week 4 and drop him.

 
Kyle Rudolph (TE - MN) is someone to keep an eye on. He has good size, great hands, and catches a high% of his targets. Shiancoe's in the last year of his deal and Rudolph has shown enough to move forward as the primary TE for the Vikes. I really enjoy watching this kid play, he's one of the few Vikings players I can say that for right now. I think he has a great future ahead of him.

 
'moderated said:
'Multiple Scores said:
Not sure why Ingram would be undervalued, he sucks and is so overrated as it is.
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:goodposting: Hard for a guy to be under rated when there will be a gupp in every league drafting him in or before the 4th round in FF drafts next season.He's a Moreno type talent.
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He won't be drafted before the 4th round, that's the point. He'll be a 7th or maybe 6th rounder as an RB3. I don't think he's a steal there, that's just where he should be drafted. Thomas and Sproles will be there nobody is drafting the guy before the 6th round.
 
'Bucks1 said:
Ingram gets nicked alot, especially for the number of carries he gets. He should be 6th round or later. For a guy getting 13 or 14 touches a game he missed quite a few games.Malcolm Floyd will be interesting, and A Hernandez may be also.
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Floyd gets nicked FAR more often than Ingram. He just cannot be relied on.
 
RB Evan Royster(Wash)- beats out Helu in camp for the starting gig and goes over 1,000 yds.

Guess he's not really undervalued so I'd have to put him in the sleeper category. Sorry.

 
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'Ghost of Bill Walsh said:
RB Evan Royster(Wash)- beats out Helu in camp for the starting gig and goes over 1,000 yds.Guess he's not really undervalued so I'd have to put him in the sleeper category. Sorry.
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the guy beating out royster halfway through the year is the undervalued one.if someone could give me a name on that I'd appreciate it.
 
'Multiple Scores said:
'wiscstlatlmia said:
'Multiple Scores said:
Not sure why Ingram would be undervalued, he sucks and is so overrated as it is.
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Psst, check out what CJ Spiller is doing right now! Or even Darrius Heyward Bey, Demaryius Thomas and Michael Crabtree! Cardinal sin is giving up on young talented guys after one year. Not only do they cast them out, but usually once people claim someone is a bust, they are the last to come around when they actually show legitimate talent. People are still downing Bey for his hands and how miserable of a natural WR he is, when if you just watched him play this year, you would know it simply isn't true
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I agree with you on DHB specifically. I drafted him in both my dynasties and never even shopped him. I was in agreement with the draft pundits on him that he was "raw, a project, someone who would need to develop". Just be cause Al Davis tried to force him into starting right away people in fantasy called him a bust quickly in his rookie year. CJ Spiller is a player I targetted prior to Fred Jackson's injury but his owners held firm. I love Crabtrees talent but traded him for a 1st rounder to a team I thought would have 1.1 and the gamble paid off. I don't like Ingram, as a RB3 he would be a possibility, not an exciting one to me but there are FBG junkies in my leagues who thought and still think this guy is a RB1 with upside. So I agree with your point but Ingram never impressed me and likely will never be on any of my teams cause others are much higher.
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Trades skew things, of course, but ,most of the guys you mention or quoted were high picks in rookie dynasty drafts. If they were high picks, the drafting team stunk and couldn't wait for them to develop. It seems to me these 3rd or 4th year "come out of their shell" type players are real hard to move in year two and three so you're basically stuck with them for 3 or 4 years and have little to work with til they "arrive." Your "raw, a project, someone who would need to develop" label is a deterring one IMO on draft day for dynasty leagues. It's assumed every rook has to do that, so when draft reviewer types state that, the player they're discussing really has to come a long way. To cherry-pick two I wanted and didn't get to draft-Crabtree and Ingram. They were ready. They were to do well and then very well in the NFL. I can't do anything about the Saints odd system that we have to project for in FF, but Crabtree has had a red carpet laid out for a long time. I blamed it on Alex Smith til I saw him and came away almost insulted by him, when I saw him play. I do think it's possible he can be a bust and pan out later. If Mike Williams does well for Seattle, that doesn't change my feelings on him as a bust. Crabtree still doesn't have 1000 yards receiving. He was to be great, not average or decent but great.
 
one thing on ingram...payton said earlier in the year that the only thing keeping ingram from being ROY was payton. could just be coach-speak, but he seemed very impressed with the kid's talent.

all that said, i'm staying away as long as they have all those rb's. the only one that seems startable is sproles because he's the only one that seems to have a clear, defined role each week.

 
i think people will forget about the colts offensive players...

i know reggie wayne is getting up there in years, but i see him being undervalued next year. he and manning have such trust in each other, and even if manning is not back, the qb situation has to be better than this year. i could see a rookie like Luck relying on a veteran route runner with great hands...

on the same note - dallas clark.

 
'Hendo said:
'EBF said:
Wouldn't touch Ingram in a redraft, but in a dynasty I would buy if the price was reasonable. No reason why he can't eventually pull a Cedric Benson, Marshawn Lynch, or Thomas Jones style revival once he finally gets a consistent 15+ touches every week.
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Agreed, however I'm still wondering why footballguys pimped him up so high this year, there was no wary I was touching this kid over either Julio or AJ in dynasty drafts and certainly not in most redrafts.
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FBG weren't the only ones Pimping Ingram. IMO, the talent is there, but the opportunity wasn't with injuries and the other RBs cutting into his time. I know it can be written off as coach speak, but Payton even said Ingram would have been the Rookie of the year if it hadn't been for him.
 
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Would also add Donald Brown if the Colts don't bring in any viable competition for the starting gig at RB. In a lost year for the Colts, it looks like Brown has actually shown signs of being a legitimate RB. Team brass seems to think as much.

'Prince Myshkin said:
i think people will forget about the colts offensive players...i know reggie wayne is getting up there in years, but i see him being undervalued next year. he and manning have such trust in each other, and even if manning is not back, the qb situation has to be better than this year. i could see a rookie like Luck relying on a veteran route runner with great hands...on the same note - dallas clark.
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ADP will be an interesting play for those in auction/dynasty leagues. Who knows what his value will be for 2012, but if you retain the rights to him in a dynasty league at the reduced 2012 auction value, you could be getting a bargin for years 2013 & 2014. Lotta risk there as who knows what he will be like when he returns but there is also huge potential upside. I'd say a team that is in rebuild mode it makes a lot of sense to try and capture ADP at a discount and set yourself up for 2013/2014. It will be hard to do for a team pushing for a title in 2012 as you will have that dead money just sitting there likely for much of 2012 and then when he gets back who knows what you get next year. Interesting situation.

 
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'Two Deep said:
'Lavachebeadsman said:
I think Hakeem Nicks is going to be severely devalued. I would bet my life Victor Cruz doesn't have anything resembling this season ever again, and those targets and yards will shift Nicks' direction.
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I agree, Cruz had several fluke long TD's
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Playmakers make plays. It's not a fluke any longer when there are "several."
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You sound like a DeSean Jackson owner a couple years ago... That didn't hold true for them and it won't hold true for Cruz owners. Disclosure: I own no NYG players.
 
'FF Ninja said:
'urbanhack said:
'Two Deep said:
'Lavachebeadsman said:
I think Hakeem Nicks is going to be severely devalued. I would bet my life Victor Cruz doesn't have anything resembling this season ever again, and those targets and yards will shift Nicks' direction.
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I agree, Cruz had several fluke long TD's
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Playmakers make plays. It's not a fluke any longer when there are "several."
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You sound like a DeSean Jackson owner a couple years ago... That didn't hold true for them and it won't hold true for Cruz owners. Disclosure: I own no NYG players.
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Apples and oranges. Desean went from overrated to underrated now. The only thing stopping Desean right now is Desean. He's got some growing up to do, but his play making abilities didn't suddenly vanish.
 
'wiscstlatlmia said:
'Multiple Scores said:
Not sure why Ingram would be undervalued, he sucks and is so overrated as it is.
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Psst, check out what CJ Spiller is doing right now! Or even Darrius Heyward Bey, Demaryius Thomas and Michael Crabtree! Cardinal sin is giving up on young talented guys after one year. Not only do they cast them out, but usually once people claim someone is a bust, they are the last to come around when they actually show legitimate talent. People are still downing Bey for his hands and how miserable of a natural WR he is, when if you just watched him play this year, you would know it simply isn't true
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Fantasy Football is a game of patience in particular Dynasty Leagues.
 
'Bri said:
great topic, weird OP. May I suggest narrowing the list down?
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I have to agree with this.The guy who instantly comes to mind when I think of probable undervalued players for 2012 is Brandon Lloyd. He's a FA, but if he signs in StL and Josh McDaniels is still the OC next year, watch out. I'm going to say he is a top 12 lock, and a prime candidate for top 5.Other notables:Andre Johnson - injuries will weigh heavilyMike Williams - I was absolutely drinking the haterade this year, but I actually think he'll slip so drastically that he'll be undervalued next yearMiles Austin - same as AJ except also with Robinson and Bryant scaring away draftersJeremy Maclin - several factors contributed to his demise this year; next year will be a fresh start with a lower ADPWayne/Collie - if Manning is back, but I'm not counting on Luck to pull a NewtonPeyton Hillis - just put up 112 on the Ravens; he's still a studLeGarrette Blount - he's an RB2, so if he falls to RB3 then he's valueMark Ingram - much like Blount, it depends where he lands. I'm willing to bet on more touches in 2012R. Mendenhall - again, depends on how far his stock fallsBen Roethlisberger - would've hit 4500 yds if healthy, WR corps going to be silly good next yearJay Cutler - they've got to get him some WRs next year, right?
 
How about at QB:

Bradford - if Gruden signs on

Locker

Tebow (with a year to build around him, a year of film study, plus a real training camp...)

At TE:

Cook

 
'FF Ninja said:
'Bri said:
great topic, weird OP. May I suggest narrowing the list down?
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I have to agree with this.The guy who instantly comes to mind when I think of probable undervalued players for 2012 is Brandon Lloyd. He's a FA, but if he signs in StL and Josh McDaniels is still the OC next year, watch out. I'm going to say he is a top 12 lock, and a prime candidate for top 5.Other notables:Andre Johnson - injuries will weigh heavilyMike Williams - I was absolutely drinking the haterade this year, but I actually think he'll slip so drastically that he'll be undervalued next yearMiles Austin - same as AJ except also with Robinson and Bryant scaring away draftersJeremy Maclin - several factors contributed to his demise this year; next year will be a fresh start with a lower ADPWayne/Collie - if Manning is back, but I'm not counting on Luck to pull a NewtonPeyton Hillis - just put up 112 on the Ravens; he's still a studLeGarrette Blount - he's an RB2, so if he falls to RB3 then he's valueMark Ingram - much like Blount, it depends where he lands. I'm willing to bet on more touches in 2012R. Mendenhall - again, depends on how far his stock fallsBen Roethlisberger - would've hit 4500 yds if healthy, WR corps going to be silly good next yearJay Cutler - they've got to get him some WRs next year, right?
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I think there are tons of undervalued guys, some wont pan out, but why make the list shorter if I honestly believe all these guys are undervalued? New addition to the list = Joe Webb definitely a guy to keep an eye on with the recent reports that he might be the QB of the future.
 
'tim_whatley said:
ADP will be an interesting play for those in auction/dynasty leagues. Who knows what his value will be for 2012, but if you retain the rights to him in a dynasty league at the reduced 2012 auction value, you could be getting a bargin for years 2013 & 2014. Lotta risk there as who knows what he will be like when he returns but there is also huge potential upside. I'd say a team that is in rebuild mode it makes a lot of sense to try and capture ADP at a discount and set yourself up for 2013/2014. It will be hard to do for a team pushing for a title in 2012 as you will have that dead money just sitting there likely for much of 2012 and then when he gets back who knows what you get next year. Interesting situation.
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I really want to buy him right now, but is it worth buying if hes going to miss all of next year also? plus the other risk of him never being the same again. I would say hold off for now until we figure out the full nature of the injury right?
 
Lance Kendricks, Sam Bradford, and whoever the new Rams RB will be next year...I have a feeling they are going undefeated and to the Super Bowl.

 
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The OP has a ton of guys I would not call undervalued at all.

Santonio Holmes UNDERvalued?? He has been among the most overrated players in the league for like 4 years now.

 
'wiscstlatlmia said:
'tim_whatley said:
ADP will be an interesting play for those in auction/dynasty leagues. Who knows what his value will be for 2012, but if you retain the rights to him in a dynasty league at the reduced 2012 auction value, you could be getting a bargin for years 2013 & 2014. Lotta risk there as who knows what he will be like when he returns but there is also huge potential upside. I'd say a team that is in rebuild mode it makes a lot of sense to try and capture ADP at a discount and set yourself up for 2013/2014. It will be hard to do for a team pushing for a title in 2012 as you will have that dead money just sitting there likely for much of 2012 and then when he gets back who knows what you get next year. Interesting situation.
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I really want to buy him right now, but is it worth buying if hes going to miss all of next year also? plus the other risk of him never being the same again. I would say hold off for now until we figure out the full nature of the injury right?
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Adp will be on my dynasty teams until he retires....and I may even keep him then as well. If anyone can recover from this injury, it will be him. And even if he's only 75% of what he used to be then that is still a top 24 rb.
 
I vote McFadden if he falls into the late 1st or even early 2nd. People likely will discount him due to his durability and that's fair - though what rbs weren't hurt this year? - and at the same time he is a top rb regardless I match up when healthy an on he field. Just make sure you draft his handcuff too!

 
'Wombat1 said:
The OP has a ton of guys I would not call undervalued at all. Santonio Holmes UNDERvalued?? He has been among the most overrated players in the league for like 4 years now.
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How about you guys stop hating and come up with some actual info... Have you watched Santonio Holmes play this year? His situation sucks, not him. Hes undervalued because the majority of people think like you and think hes overrated because hes having down years blah blah blah. Thats my list, Come up with your own ...
 
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