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Universal Health Care - Let's make this happen (1 Viewer)

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Enough #####footing around the elephant in the room.  Let's make this happen.  It's going to happen.  We all know it's going to happen.  You can't turn people out in the cold.  We are the greatest nation in the history of the world.  Enough is enough.  

 
It's strange. Half of me thinks this result is inevitable; it was inevitable since the day Obamacare passed (perhaps even before that.)

The other half of me thinks that most of those who vote Republican, and even many Democrats and independents, will never accept this. Never. The myth of the "free market" is ingrained in them and they simply will not allow this to ever happen. 

I can't decide which half is right...

 
Tim is right that it may be inevitable.  It distresses me that people have that much faith in government when it demonstrates on a daily basis that it is incapable of handling such a responsibility.

 
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It's strange. Half of me thinks this result is inevitable; it was inevitable since the day Obamacare passed (perhaps even before that.)

The other half of me thinks that most of those who vote Republican, and even many Democrats and independents, will never accept this. Never. The myth of the "free market" is ingrained in them and they simply will not allow this to ever happen. 

I can't decide which half is right...
The first half.  Next question. 

 
Tim is right that it may be inevitable.  It distresses me that people have that much faith in government when it demonstrates on a daily basis that it is incapable of handling such a responsibility.
And yet this same government is in charge of Nuclear Weapons.  And people want to spend more and more on that.  

 
Tim is right that it may be inevitable.  It distresses me that people have that much faith in government when it demonstrates on a daily basis that it is incapable of handling such a responsibility.
It's been handling Medicare on a daily basis for over 50 years. In your opinion, has it proven capable of doing so? Yes or no? 

 
Tim is right that it may be inevitable.  It distresses me that people have that much faith in government when it demonstrates on a daily basis that it is incapable of handling such a responsibility.
You're right, the American people are idiots to allow this kind of incompetency to go on. Every other industrialized nation can manage but we can't? WTF?

 
If you set the precedent that everyone should have health insurance, then the only solution is to go all in to a single payer system. You can't take a free market system and force people to buy into it. 

 
Greatest nation on earth with a lot of people in it who are more than willing to vote against their interests, and ultimately the interests of the country, based on bad information, poor education, fear, and ideological intractability.

It's hard to have faith that the country will make the right choice when we have a party in power right now, all three branches, who got there largely by obstructing the past president and lying to the american people in the election, and are paying almost no price for it among their base.

I'd love to believe single payer is inevitable...and perhaps in the long run, it is.  But, as whoever else says, in the long run we're all dead.  

 
It's strange. Half of me thinks this result is inevitable; it was inevitable since the day Obamacare passed (perhaps even before that.)

The other half of me thinks that most of those who vote Republican, and even many Democrats and independents, will never accept this. Never. The myth of the "free market" is ingrained in them and they simply will not allow this to ever happen. 

I can't decide which half is right...
Stay a weekend in Canada at a hotel, then go out for dinner and drinks and look at your bill.  That will help you decide. 

GST - Goods & Services Tax (Federal) is 5%

PST - Provincial Sales Tax (Ontario) is 8%

Alcohol Tax - Provincial (Ontario) is 10%

GST is charged on the whole amount

PST is charged on both the Food & Alcohol.  Alcohol tax is charged on the Alcohol on top of the PST and GST. So drinks are getting taxed at about 23%

 
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Stay a weekend in Canada at a hotel, then go out for dinner and drinks and look at your bill.  That will help you decide. 

GST - Goods & Services Tax (Federal) is 5%

PST - Provincial Sales Tax (Ontario) is 8%

Alcohol Tax - Provincial (Ontario) is 10%

GST is charged on the whole amount

PST is charged on both the Food & Alcohol.  Alcohol tax is charged on the Alcohol on top of the PST and GST. So drinks are getting taxed at about 23%
This is probably why Canadians are fleeing the country in record numbers.

 
This is probably why Canadians are fleeing the country in record numbers.
When the exchange is a good rate downtown Detroit is always jammed with people from Windsor at the bars and restaurants.  Some places offer even exchange to the people from Canada and they are packed.

 
Stay a weekend in Canada at a hotel, then go out for dinner and drinks and look at your bill.  That will help you decide. 

GST - Goods & Services Tax (Federal) is 5%

PST - Provincial Sales Tax (Ontario) is 8%

Alcohol Tax - Provincial (Ontario) is 10%

GST is charged on the whole amount

PST is charged on both the Food & Alcohol.  Alcohol tax is charged on the Alcohol on top of the PST and GST. So drinks are getting taxed at about 23%
none of that is as bad as watching a relative die because they are poor.  

 
On vacation this year in Lake Havasu, my dad ran into one of his friends from Canada.  We got to talking a bit about healthcare and then my dad asked him if he'd switch with us.  He literally started laughing "no no that's ok."

 
Stay a weekend in Canada at a hotel, then go out for dinner and drinks and look at your bill.  That will help you decide. 

GST - Goods & Services Tax (Federal) is 5%

PST - Provincial Sales Tax (Ontario) is 8%

Alcohol Tax - Provincial (Ontario) is 10%

GST is charged on the whole amount

PST is charged on both the Food & Alcohol.  Alcohol tax is charged on the Alcohol on top of the PST and GST. So drinks are getting taxed at about 23%
It's really silly to assess the total tax burden faced by citizens based on how much you pay for a meal and a couple beers when you're visiting.  You didn't account for federal or state/provincial income taxes, for example, or property taxes.

Everything I've read is that the tax burdens aren't that far apart, but on the average Canadians pay slightly more per capita. Of course our burden is low compared to most first world countries, because our government doesn't provide nearly as many services to its citizens. Or maybe it's the other way around- we recoil at the notion of paying more taxes thanks to decades of laser focused criticism of taxation by the right and the influence of money (and thus the wealthy) in politics, so as a result our government can't provide those services.

 
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I don't know who those people are...craft tends to be the same as any beer...$5 per pint
Maybe the bartenders should ask these craft beer buyers "would you like to donate $0.30 to help poor people afford doctors?" I'd bet 99% of them will be ##### and say no. 

 
Maybe the bartenders should ask these craft beer buyers "would you like to donate $0.30 to help poor people afford doctors?" I'd bet 99% of them will be ##### and say no. 
You haven't been to Canada then.  And don't forget, 90% of those craft beer buyers in that bar couldn't afford cancer treatment either, so you may as well say 'do you want to donate 0.30 to have some insurance that if you get catastrophically ill you won't have to worry about where to find the money to pay for it'

 
Maybe the bartenders should ask these craft beer buyers "would you like to donate $0.30 to help poor people afford doctors?" I'd bet 99% of them will be ##### and say no. 
 You should have to give up the name Spock in your alias after posting something this absurd and illogical.

 
You're right, the American people are idiots to allow this kind of incompetency to go on. Every other industrialized nation can manage but we can't? WTF?
Forget industrialized.

Infant Mortality Rates from that pesky partisan organization called the Central Intelligence Agency

We rank 57th with 5.8 deaths per 1,000 live births. Now that's what I call American Exceptionalism Mediocralism.

Infant mortality rate compares the number of deaths of infants under one year old in a given year per 1,000 live births in the same year. This rate is often used as an indicator of the level of health in a country.

Here is the list of countries that we rank above the US in infant mortality.

MONACO
JAPAN
ICELAND
SINGAPORE
NORWAY
FINLAND
BERMUDA
SWEDEN
CZECHIA
HONG KONG
KOREA, SOUTH
MACAU
SPAIN
FRANCE
ITALY
LUXEMBOURG
AUSTRIA
ANGUILLA
BELGIUM
GUERNSEY
GERMANY
ISRAEL
MALTA
NETHERLANDS
ANDORRA
BELARUS
SWITZERLAND
IRELAND
ESTONIA
JERSEY
LITHUANIA
SLOVENIA
DENMARK
EUROPEAN UNION
ISLE OF MAN
UNITED KINGDOM
LIECHTENSTEIN
AUSTRALIA
SAN MARINO
TAIWAN
PORTUGAL
WALLIS AND FUTUNA
NEW ZEALAND
POLAND
CUBA
GREECE
CANADA
FRENCH POLYNESIA
HUNGARY
SLOVAKIA
NORTHERN MARIANA ISLANDS
NEW CALEDONIA
LATVIA
GUAM
FAROE ISLANDS
BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA
UNITED STATES
 

 
Does anyone know the driver behind the infant mortality rate? From what I've seen in the nick units we have some pretty serious technology

 
Does anyone know the driver behind the infant mortality rate? From what I've seen in the nick units we have some pretty serious technology
Don't know but I bet we could make a list.

I'll start with the fact that many mothers can't afford prenatal care.

 
It's strange. Half of me thinks this result is inevitable; it was inevitable since the day Obamacare passed (perhaps even before that.)

The other half of me thinks that most of those who vote Republican, and even many Democrats and independents, will never accept this. Never. The myth of the "free market" is ingrained in them and they simply will not allow this to ever happen. 

I can't decide which half is right...
i think it has less to do with the "free market" and more to do with people not wanting their quality of care to go in the ####ter and not wanting to wait 2 years to see a doctor.

 
And yet this same government is in charge of Nuclear Weapons.  And people want to spend more and more on that.  
Not sure I see the correlation here with health care.  If there is one thing we can all agree on, it's that governments that want to stay in power run their military exceptionally well.

 
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i think it has less to do with the "free market" and more to do with people not wanting their quality of care to go in the ####ter and not wanting to wait 2 years to see a doctor.
To the first part, our health care isn't exactly everything people like to believe (57th MT...57th).

The second part is a myth.

 
I got another one: The Right (can't call them Republicans because they're not) likes to shut down clinics that provide low cost health care, making it increasingly difficult for lower income people to access health care.

 
Your first part and second part here are myths.
No it really isn't and I am pretty sure you know that.  When countries like Cuba and Slovenia (and 54 others that are better than us) can provide higher quality health care with no dramatic wait times to see doctors I am pretty sure the Exceptional U.S.A. can do the same.

Why do people persist in pushing veritably false talking points like this? What is the end game there? Save a couple bucks on taxes but have an increasingly unhealthy population that ends up costing society far more then if we had top quality, accessible health care for everyone?

A healthy population is a productive one. We will have more people in the tax base meaning those precious anti-taxers won't see an increase in their taxes over time.  

 

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