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****Unofficial Official Colts Chargers Pregame Thread**** (1 Viewer)
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Chargers have won the last two. Time for a little payback Colts style. Keys to a colts win
1. Maintain Lt 120 1 td
2. Manning takes good care of the ball
3. Colts defense feeds off the 12th man this is likely the last game in the dome and all should be crazy..
1. Maintain Lt 120 1 td
2. Manning takes good care of the ball
3. Colts defense feeds off the 12th man this is likely the last game in the dome and all should be crazy..
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Riffraff
Footballguy
1. Trenches. If they can't pressure Manning or protect Rivers, it'll be over quickly.
2. Kaeding actually performing well in a play-off game. Losing games by missed FGs sure does suck.
3. LT plays well to keep Colts O off the field. Freeney is not playing this time around.
4. Rivers plays half decent. Not great, but not awful either.
5. Dominate on defense and special teams again.
6. Make Addai beat them.
2. Kaeding actually performing well in a play-off game. Losing games by missed FGs sure does suck.
3. LT plays well to keep Colts O off the field. Freeney is not playing this time around.
4. Rivers plays half decent. Not great, but not awful either.
5. Dominate on defense and special teams again.
6. Make Addai beat them.
Riffraff
Footballguy
Per Roto:
The Chargers are initially calling the injury Antonio Gates suffered Sunday a sprained left big toe.
Gates was carted off the field in the second quarter Sunday. He is considered questionable for the Divisional Round against the Colts, but conducted interviews with reporters after the game. That's usually a good sign.
The Chargers are initially calling the injury Antonio Gates suffered Sunday a sprained left big toe.
Gates was carted off the field in the second quarter Sunday. He is considered questionable for the Divisional Round against the Colts, but conducted interviews with reporters after the game. That's usually a good sign.
militiaman65
Footballguy
Gates has a seperated big toe and will probably play with a protective boot, like Anquan Boldin did the last 2 games of the season. Chargers need to commit to Tomlinson and give him 30 carries. Norv is the Achilles Heal of that team, though. Chargers can not blitz Peyton or he will pick them apart.
DanFouts
Footballguy
Chargers win if....
1. Run combo of LT/Turner about 30 times (Turner does well against Colts quicker D line with his power)
2. Maintain TOP
3. Gates plays
4. Chambers/VJ play as well as yesterday
5. Rivers has 1 INT or less
6. Cro has 1 pick
I guess the Chargers need a lot to fall their way, but I can tell you they are not intimidated in the least against the Colts. They have historically matched up well against them.
1. Run combo of LT/Turner about 30 times (Turner does well against Colts quicker D line with his power)
2. Maintain TOP
3. Gates plays
4. Chambers/VJ play as well as yesterday
5. Rivers has 1 INT or less
6. Cro has 1 pick
I guess the Chargers need a lot to fall their way, but I can tell you they are not intimidated in the least against the Colts. They have historically matched up well against them.
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ericttspikes
Footballguy
The Chargers will win if:
They pick Manning 6 times, have 2 special teams returns and Vinateri misses a chip shot FG.
They pick Manning 6 times, have 2 special teams returns and Vinateri misses a chip shot FG.
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Brutis
Footballguy
lol. My thinking as well.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
it's happened before
I think the Titan game got the monkey off some of the players back.Now they are on the road and should be loose. Kaeding looks very shaky, I'd look to replace him this offseason.purestrength
Footballguy
Last game in the Dome ever (unless Jax beats New England). I see no way the Colts let this one slip away.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
I'll be there, ruptured achilles and all. No way it gets as loud as the AFCCG last year, but it will be loud! The noise in that place is disorienting at times. And I'm not exaggerating.
Flying Spaghetti Monster
Footballguy
Rivers is the key and with Gates hurt it looks like the colts will just stack the line.
brady2moss
Footballguy
I flew down week #9 and have never been in a stadium that loud in my life, I literally couldn't hear myself think. Indy pulls this one out by at least 10.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
I hope so. Rivers will pick the Colts apart if given time.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
It took 6 Manning picks and Vinatieri missing a chip shot for the Chargers to eke out a 2-point win back in November. Does anyone really think those things will happen again?
Granted, any team with Tomlinson has a shot, but I still see the Colts winning this by 10-14 points.
Granted, any team with Tomlinson has a shot, but I still see the Colts winning this by 10-14 points.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
If I were a Colts fan, I would be "concerned" about the fact that Chambers and Jackson totalled over 200 yards of receiving against the Titans.
Rivers MAY be getting legitimate help from Norv.
I'll say
Colts 31
Bolts 28
Vinatieri wins another playoff game.
Rivers MAY be getting legitimate help from Norv.
I'll say
Colts 31
Bolts 28
Vinatieri wins another playoff game.
switz
Footballguy
This is going to be a tough game for me, as I really like both teams. I've been a Colts fan for year, but was a huge LT fan when e went to TCU and then started rooting for the Chargers when they drafted him.
It will be tough IMO with all the injuries that IND has for them to compete. Freeney especially is a loss, and I understand Harrison and Gonzales are still hurting.
The Chargers need to win in the trenches to win, and they struggled there this last game.
It will be tough IMO with all the injuries that IND has for them to compete. Freeney especially is a loss, and I understand Harrison and Gonzales are still hurting.
The Chargers need to win in the trenches to win, and they struggled there this last game.
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
There are 2 ways to look at it. LT was contained for 20 rushes and 70 yards, Rivers was 13-24 for 104 yrds and 2 INTs and zero TDs. Rivers is playing much much better these days, despite what the Haters seem to think, just look at his numbers during their 7 game win streak. If Rivers had played any better the Chargers would have won by alot more. I mean, the Colts played an unreal defensive game and still lost...
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pizzatyme
Footballguy
Concerned? Not too much. The Colts have the #1 scoring defense in football and the #2 ranked D against in passing yards.I think they'll be able to keep Rivers from dominating the game.
cstu
Footballguy
Middle of the pack in rushing defense which goes against the Chargers' strength. They are going to get a heavy dose of LT/Turner.pizzatyme said:Concerned? Not too much. The Colts have the #1 scoring defense in football and the #2 ranked D against in passing yards.I think they'll be able to keep Rivers from dominating the game.SeniorVBDStudent said:
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Antonio Cromartie needs 5 picks this time.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Yes, I didn't mean to imply that the Chargers are suddenly built on the vertical passing game, only that Rivers is moving away from the liability he was last year.Middle of the pack in rushing defense which goes against the Chargers' strength. They are going to get a heavy dose of LT/Turner.pizzatyme said:Concerned? Not too much. The Colts have the #1 scoring defense in football and the #2 ranked D against in passing yards.I think they'll be able to keep Rivers from dominating the game.SeniorVBDStudent said:
Baby New Year
Footballguy
x2and don't forget the thermostat and the piped in noise.Ghost Rider said:
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
Just to note Manning has never beaten the Chargers by more then 8 pts ever and that was in 1999. The rest have been either 3 pt Colt wins or Charger wins (including 2 in a row over the Colts). Sure the Colts could beat the Chargers by 22, although pretty much everything points otherwise. The Bolts have won 7 in a row, and over that span have given up the fewest points in the NFL. My guess is it will be a tad closer...
Baby New Year
Footballguy
Too bad the road to the superbowl doesn't go through KC, Oakland, and Denver.......
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
Well they beat the Colts earlier, and beat the Titans twice, Houston too, and barely lost Jax on the road. By my count that is 4-1 vs the AFC South. So yah...
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
And another
from GPN, as usual.This post has me anxious to put a couple units on SD +9. That's just too much in a matchup that is so even like this one, IMO.
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
Over the past 7 games, all Charger wins, no team has scored more then 2 TDs and 17 total points. In total, the Chargers have surrendered just 9 TDs in 7 games, at a pace of 11.5pts/gm, the best in the NFL.And anotherfrom GPN, as usual.This post has me anxious to put a couple units on SD +9. That's just too much in a matchup that is so even like this one, IMO.
Kuz
Footballguy
Balt, KC, Tenn(Twice), Detroit, Denver & Oakland.. are not the Indianapolis Colts.. If you think the Colts will only score 17 points you're kidding yourself...Over the past 7 games, all Charger wins, no team has scored more then 2 TDs and 17 total points. In total, the Chargers have surrendered just 9 TDs in 7 games, at a pace of 11.5pts/gm, the best in the NFL.And another
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
My posts were involving the current 7 game win streak. Never did I say the Colts would be held under 17 pts, however it isn't out of the realm of possibilities. In the 2 most recent games between the Chargers and Colts, both Charger wins, the Colts managed to score 21 and 17. So anywhere between 17 and 24 seems likely. My whole point was that predictions of 38-16 which is what I was originally addressing are fairly absurd when looking at the relevant recent scores between the teams and how the Chargers defense is currently playing...I can predict the Chargers will win 44-10, but it isn't based on much real world data. That seems to be the case with most predictions I have come across. As betting goes this weekend, the Chargers are about as good a bet as one can find getting 9 points looking at most relevant data. The game should be close and not many people seem to be buying it.Balt, KC, Tenn(Twice), Detroit, Denver & Oakland.. are not the Indianapolis Colts.. If you think the Colts will only score 17 points you're kidding yourself...Over the past 7 games, all Charger wins, no team has scored more then 2 TDs and 17 total points. In total, the Chargers have surrendered just 9 TDs in 7 games, at a pace of 11.5pts/gm, the best in the NFL.And anotherfrom GPN, as usual.This post has me anxious to put a couple units on SD +9. That's just too much in a matchup that is so even like this one, IMO.
Paddy O'Seanessy
Footballguy
Should the sun rise in the west.The winner of the two worst teams in the first round of the playoffs is generally the worst team in the second round.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
what means this?
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
They committed to Tomlinson in the first half of the Tennessee game and didn't start moving the ball until they put it on Rivers.
Please illuminate us as to why this is true.
The Chargers blitzed Peyton plenty the last two times they have met.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
I guess that could be true if the two worst teams played each other in the first round.
Paddy O'Seanessy
Footballguy
The sun will not rise in the west -- the Chargers will not beat the Colts.The Chargers are a marginal team who fatten their record against the AFC Waste (their division opponents were 2-10 against the NFC North this year.) They've lost one of their best players. The components of their 7-game win streak have already been noted.Their playoff victory was a reprise of the season opener against the Bears. What a terrible game!
Paddy O'Seanessy
Footballguy
...as was the case this year...
For San Diego to win, they have to play a near perfect game in my mind as the Colts will come out with all guns blazing. A near perfect game is the following:
1) Getting pressure on Manning without sacrificing too much in coverage (the Chargers with their 3-4 scheme are one of the few teams that has done this actually..looking at the game in 2005 and this year, they were able to get pressure)
2) Win the special teams battle
3) Win the turnover battle
4) Offensively, the O-line has to win the battle in the trenches. Indy is nowhere near as good as Tennessee is against the run (don't have Haynesworth). The Chargers O-line has to be physical with the smaller Colts defenders.
5) LT has to do his thing. The Chargers need a great game from Tomlinson, whether it be on the ground or through the air.
6) Gates out would definitely hurt San Diego, but if Chambers and Jackson can step up like they did against Tennessee, they could offset this loss a little.
7) The key, like others have mentioned, is Rivers. If there is 8 in the box to stop LT, Rivers has to make the plays when they are there, simple as that.
8) Norv has to be agressive, and play for the win (like he did on that 4th and goal). In any upset scenario, the underdog plays without fear and is agressive.
As you can see, a lot has to go right for the Chargers. They are a talented team and could do some damage here. To me, there's just too much that San Diego has to do right to win this game.
All things said Colts 31 Chargers 24.
1) Getting pressure on Manning without sacrificing too much in coverage (the Chargers with their 3-4 scheme are one of the few teams that has done this actually..looking at the game in 2005 and this year, they were able to get pressure)
2) Win the special teams battle
3) Win the turnover battle
4) Offensively, the O-line has to win the battle in the trenches. Indy is nowhere near as good as Tennessee is against the run (don't have Haynesworth). The Chargers O-line has to be physical with the smaller Colts defenders.
5) LT has to do his thing. The Chargers need a great game from Tomlinson, whether it be on the ground or through the air.
6) Gates out would definitely hurt San Diego, but if Chambers and Jackson can step up like they did against Tennessee, they could offset this loss a little.
7) The key, like others have mentioned, is Rivers. If there is 8 in the box to stop LT, Rivers has to make the plays when they are there, simple as that.
8) Norv has to be agressive, and play for the win (like he did on that 4th and goal). In any upset scenario, the underdog plays without fear and is agressive.
As you can see, a lot has to go right for the Chargers. They are a talented team and could do some damage here. To me, there's just too much that San Diego has to do right to win this game.
All things said Colts 31 Chargers 24.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
I don't disagree with some of the keypoints here but the Chargers aren't realistically projected in this thread.
They have an excellent T in McNeil, he can stop any DE on any given Sunday.
They have a so good he's a pain in the neck DT in Jamal Williams. Colts aren't moving him and Addai is not running up the middle, Dungy/Moore probably won't even call those plays ths week. Jamal is that good.
Shawne is excitable. He'll overrun a play, he'll get to Peyton and be all hyped up like he did something no one ever did before. A veteran team with smart play calls and good blocks can take advantage of his excitability. I'm sure the Chargers will be telling him to calm down or be ready or what not too.
Cromartie coverred Wayne well but he goes for every ball and with that he goes for every fake. I'm sure Peyton will be pumping alot.
The Colts don't have anyone to stop Tomlinson IMO. It'll have to be Dungy getting them to gang tackle every play like his Bucs teams used to. Tomlinson can catch 9-10 balls in a game, besides running. If they don't stop him, with or without Gates, they've got probs.
Jackson is way better than he's shown this year IMO. That guy is taking a long time to develop into a star if he's gonna be one. If he brings his A game, he and Chambers would be hard for any team to cover. I think he's been playing passive like a guy that doesn't want to make a mistake and if they can get that out of him, he'd do far better.
Turner's been kept around for a reason. Though he never does it, it'd be wise for Turner to try and have them run it 50 times with Tomlinson and Turner and see if the Colts don't crack in the 4th Q after that pounding. They've got the legs to do it.
They have an excellent T in McNeil, he can stop any DE on any given Sunday.
They have a so good he's a pain in the neck DT in Jamal Williams. Colts aren't moving him and Addai is not running up the middle, Dungy/Moore probably won't even call those plays ths week. Jamal is that good.
Shawne is excitable. He'll overrun a play, he'll get to Peyton and be all hyped up like he did something no one ever did before. A veteran team with smart play calls and good blocks can take advantage of his excitability. I'm sure the Chargers will be telling him to calm down or be ready or what not too.
Cromartie coverred Wayne well but he goes for every ball and with that he goes for every fake. I'm sure Peyton will be pumping alot.
The Colts don't have anyone to stop Tomlinson IMO. It'll have to be Dungy getting them to gang tackle every play like his Bucs teams used to. Tomlinson can catch 9-10 balls in a game, besides running. If they don't stop him, with or without Gates, they've got probs.
Jackson is way better than he's shown this year IMO. That guy is taking a long time to develop into a star if he's gonna be one. If he brings his A game, he and Chambers would be hard for any team to cover. I think he's been playing passive like a guy that doesn't want to make a mistake and if they can get that out of him, he'd do far better.
Turner's been kept around for a reason. Though he never does it, it'd be wise for Turner to try and have them run it 50 times with Tomlinson and Turner and see if the Colts don't crack in the 4th Q after that pounding. They've got the legs to do it.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
with sanders not having to worry about Gates, I get a feeling he'll he all over LT this weekend.
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
And they stopped Rivers also, Rivers had his worst QB rated game of the season. So LT was stopped, Rivers played his worst game of the year, yet the Chargers won... What happens if those guys play well this time? That is what I think everyone is overlooking when they say Manning got picked 6 times and they almost won. If it is assumed Manning will play better this time, one can also assume Rivers and LT will play better, no??
pizzatyme
Footballguy
Sure, is it also safe to say that Vinatieri will not miss a go-aheaf FG again?Also, is is safe to think that SD will not get 2 kick returns for TDs again?
Edit to add that this game is in Indy. To assume Rivers plays better in that environment is asking a lot IMO.
2nd edit to add that the Colts played that game missing both offensive tackles, Harrison, Dallas Clark, as well as Gonzalez for most of the game. My guess is that since all of these players will play this weekend, the Colts play a little better.
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Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
I understand the assumption the Colts will play better. It seems rational and fair to me. They had injuries, Manning made more mistakes then he typically does, and the Colts Special Teams had a bad day. So I agree, the Colts definitly can improve.That said, Rivers played his worst game of the year. LT was shut down for the most part. Can these guys not improve as well? Is it assumed they will get shut down again? That is the crux here, people just assume Manning will play better, but the Charger won't? It wasn't as if the Chargers played great and the Colts horrible. Both team played horrible, the game was decided by special teams for the most part.Sure, is it also safe to say that Vinatieri will not miss a go-aheaf FG again?Also, is is safe to think that SD will not get 2 kick returns for TDs again?
Edit to add that this game is in Indy. To assume Rivers plays better in that environment is asking a lot IMO.
2nd edit to add that the Colts played that game missing both offensive tackles, Harrison, Dallas Clark, as well as Gonzalez for most of the game. My guess is that since all of these players will play this weekend, the Colts play a little better.
As for the injuries, mehh. The Colts weren't the only teams with injuries that game, the Charger Probowl Center Nick Hardwick was out, their best Defensive back Jammer was out (Cromartie has a comming out party that game). There best defensive end Castillo was out. Since Jammer and Castillo have returned, the Bolts have the #1 defense in the league.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
Game on!I understand the assumption the Colts will play better. It seems rational and fair to me. They had injuries, Manning made more mistakes then he typically does, and the Colts Special Teams had a bad day. So I agree, the Colts definitly can improve.That said, Rivers played his worst game of the year. LT was shut down for the most part. Can these guys not improve as well? Is it assumed they will get shut down again? That is the crux here, people just assume Manning will play better, but the Charger won't? It wasn't as if the Chargers played great and the Colts horrible. Both team played horrible, the game was decided by special teams for the most part.Sure, is it also safe to say that Vinatieri will not miss a go-aheaf FG again?Also, is is safe to think that SD will not get 2 kick returns for TDs again?
Edit to add that this game is in Indy. To assume Rivers plays better in that environment is asking a lot IMO.
2nd edit to add that the Colts played that game missing both offensive tackles, Harrison, Dallas Clark, as well as Gonzalez for most of the game. My guess is that since all of these players will play this weekend, the Colts play a little better.
As for the injuries, mehh. The Colts weren't the only teams with injuries that game, the Charger Probowl Center Nick Hardwick was out, their best Defensive back Jammer was out (Cromartie has a comming out party that game). There best defensive end Castillo was out. Since Jammer and Castillo have returned, the Bolts have the #1 defense in the league.
