Unsettling injury information re: Gore (1 Viewer)

[Josh the FunkDOC]

I looked and this doesn't seem to have been posted anywhere, so here is some seemingly important information from injury expert Will Carroll. He's always a good read, but this particular bit stands out:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/fant...port/index.html

• Frank Gore was the first big casualty of training camp. Already plagued by fumbling issues last season, a broken hand isn't something that bodes well for a guy who many have pegged as a possible rushing champ. Gore's hand will take about a month to fully heal, but he should be able to play before that with proper padding. He'll miss at least the first two preseason games, though no one thinks that this is that big of an issue. (Just ask fellow 'Cane Edgerrin James what he thinks about pre-season games.) Gore could actually save his body a bit of wear and tear, always a concern for this injury-prone player. Gore's one limitation seems to be his health. While certainly the result of a non-preventable situation, this fracture shows that Gore has what Dr. Keith Meister calls a "tissue issue" -- genetically, it doesn't seem Gore can hold up. I still love him as a first round pick, but he's risky enough that if I have the fourth or fifth pick in the draft, I'd likely take someone else.

Umm...is it just me, or is his apparent genetic makeup downright scary? Particularly for dynasty - might he be a sell-high candidate?Thanks,

Josh.

 

[One]

Gore owners were lucky to get that they did out of him last season.

 

[BigRed]

Well gee Dr. Keith Meister (whoever the hell that is) call out a "tissue issue" - Gore's off my draft list.

 

[PahtyTom]

 

[AnonymousBob]

Who is this Dr. and what inside information does he have?

 

[Willowdoc]

I looked and this doesn't seem to have been posted anywhere, so here is some seemingly important information from injury expert Will Carroll. He's always a good read, but this particular bit stands out:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/fant...port/index.html

• Frank Gore was the first big casualty of training camp. Already plagued by fumbling issues last season, a broken hand isn't something that bodes well for a guy who many have pegged as a possible rushing champ. Gore's hand will take about a month to fully heal, but he should be able to play before that with proper padding. He'll miss at least the first two preseason games, though no one thinks that this is that big of an issue. (Just ask fellow 'Cane Edgerrin James what he thinks about pre-season games.) Gore could actually save his body a bit of wear and tear, always a concern for this injury-prone player. Gore's one limitation seems to be his health. While certainly the result of a non-preventable situation, this fracture shows that Gore has what Dr. Keith Meister calls a "tissue issue" -- genetically, it doesn't seem Gore can hold up. I still love him as a first round pick, but he's risky enough that if I have the fourth or fifth pick in the draft, I'd likely take someone else.

Umm...is it just me, or is his apparent genetic makeup downright scary? Particularly for dynasty - might he be a sell-high candidate?Thanks,

Josh.

Lets see - ligament damage in two knees, cartilage damage in a shoulder and now a broken bone. All the result of trauma (although I am not sure how he broke his hand). My guess is that some reporter called this doctor for a quote and since he didn't really know about the situation he made up a generic term that means nothing medically. He's an orthopod and a team physician for a couple of pro teams in Texas (not the Cowboys). Doubt he has seen Gore as a patient. This is nothing.

 

[steelcityman]

nothing like getting a medical update over the internet....from a doc who may have never treated or seen Gore. You want to remove Gore from your lists, go ahead, someone else will hit the jackpot. He has a hand issue that will be gone by Sept 9, and he can wear protection and not hurt his leg movement. Yeah, I think Gore is done. Draft Robinson in the 2nd round, great steal. I wonder if we knew about Jim Brown or Walter Paytons injuries if we would have drafted them?

 

[Willowdoc]

Who is this Dr. and what inside information does he have?

He's team physician for the Rangers and Stars in Dallas. He has no inside information, he was probably just asked a question from a reporter. A physician who publicly talks about his own patient's condition without permission from the patient violates a law called HIPPA. Violation of this law can cost you your license (though it happens all the time with celebs in LA, but they seem to be different). But, if he planned on seeing more football players and talked about his patient publicly, he would lose future patients.

 

[bostonfred]

The Keith Meister. Makin copies.

 

[Da Guru]

I have concerns about Gore..

 

[56]

The name rings a bell, so I googled him.

This guy used to be an othropedic surgeon in Florida for the Florida Gators among others. I wouldn't recall his name because of that, so I think he might have also been the surgeon who operated on fomer NHL and Florida Panther player Pavel Bure. When Bure was a NY Ranger, he seemed to defer alot to his old doctor regarding his condition, and I am almost positive that this is the same guy.

Not that any of that means much regarding Gore, but the guy does work for two pro franchises, and has a history in Florida. I'm pretty sure that it's no longer a matter of public record, but as a Gore owner I'd sure love to know the name of the doctor who worked on him when he was in Miami.

Maybe this guy knows more about Gore than we think. Or maybe he is just a Gator lover / 'Cane hater. Either way, I wouldn't mind knowing for sure what his story is.

 

[3C's]

I have concerns about Gore..

I'm concerned that I won't get him at my draft spot.

 

[smcindoe]

Am I reading this wrong? It sounds to me like this doctor has made reference to tissue issues in the past, and the writer pulled it out to help his argument that Gore is injury prone. I don't see anything that makes me think this doctor actually said anything about Gore, or even knows who he is.

It's sort of like if I said "you, sir, are the sort of guy that George Carlin would call someone who oughta be strapped to a gurney and castrated with fishing knives". I'm making a point, but it doesn't mean Carlin has heard of you.

 

[bigmurd]

Am I reading this wrong? It sounds to me like this doctor has made reference to tissue issues in the past, and the writer pulled it out to help his argument that Gore is injury prone. I don't see anything that makes me think this doctor actually said anything about Gore, or even knows who he is.It's sort of like if I said "you, sir, are the sort of guy that George Carlin would call someone who oughta be strapped to a gurney and castrated with fishing knives". I'm making a point, but it doesn't mean Carlin has heard of you.

You are right on; the quote is not the doctor talking about Gore, but he is being credited for the phrase.Preseason...

 

[ImTheScientist]

I looked and this doesn't seem to have been posted anywhere, so here is some seemingly important information from injury expert Will Carroll. He's always a good read, but this particular bit stands out:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/fant...port/index.html

• Frank Gore was the first big casualty of training camp. Already plagued by fumbling issues last season, a broken hand isn't something that bodes well for a guy who many have pegged as a possible rushing champ. Gore's hand will take about a month to fully heal, but he should be able to play before that with proper padding. He'll miss at least the first two preseason games, though no one thinks that this is that big of an issue. (Just ask fellow 'Cane Edgerrin James what he thinks about pre-season games.) Gore could actually save his body a bit of wear and tear, always a concern for this injury-prone player. Gore's one limitation seems to be his health. While certainly the result of a non-preventable situation, this fracture shows that Gore has what Dr. Keith Meister calls a "tissue issue" -- genetically, it doesn't seem Gore can hold up. I still love him as a first round pick, but he's risky enough that if I have the fourth or fifth pick in the draft, I'd likely take someone else.

Umm...is it just me, or is his apparent genetic makeup downright scary? Particularly for dynasty - might he be a sell-high candidate?Thanks,

Josh.

As a scientist I will say that the majority of Doctor's do not have a clue when it comes to genetics, or actual science. I have never heard of a "Tissue Issue". I would NOT go and sell gore or even worry about this too much. Its a doctor giving an opinion. A molecular biologist would be the person to talk to if there was something called a tissue issue which was a genetic disorder

 

[JAMMIN]

I don't like to predict injury but this guy is already a medical masterpiece. I don't know if I could draft him.

 

[nygiants56]

but,the real the deadhorse that's getting beaten ,over and over, is the group of people who still think Gore is a top 10 RB.. he's nothing more than a 1-year `flash in the pan` RB..I will not even consider drafting him, you might as well throw the pick to your best friend, he'll get better use out of it.

 

[PahtyTom]

:X but,the real the deadhorse that's getting beaten ,over and over, is the group of people who still think Gore is a top 10 RB.. he's nothing more than a 1-year `flash in the pan` RB..I will not even consider drafting him, you might as well throw the pick to your best friend, he'll get better use out of it.

everyone is entitled their own opinion, but man, that is some bad opinion right there

 

[ATC1]

I looked and this doesn't seem to have been posted anywhere, so here is some seemingly important information from injury expert Will Carroll. He's always a good read, but this particular bit stands out:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/fant...port/index.html

• Frank Gore was the first big casualty of training camp. Already plagued by fumbling issues last season, a broken hand isn't something that bodes well for a guy who many have pegged as a possible rushing champ. Gore's hand will take about a month to fully heal, but he should be able to play before that with proper padding. He'll miss at least the first two preseason games, though no one thinks that this is that big of an issue. (Just ask fellow 'Cane Edgerrin James what he thinks about pre-season games.) Gore could actually save his body a bit of wear and tear, always a concern for this injury-prone player. Gore's one limitation seems to be his health. While certainly the result of a non-preventable situation, this fracture shows that Gore has what Dr. Keith Meister calls a "tissue issue" -- genetically, it doesn't seem Gore can hold up. I still love him as a first round pick, but he's risky enough that if I have the fourth or fifth pick in the draft, I'd likely take someone else.

Umm...is it just me, or is his apparent genetic makeup downright scary? Particularly for dynasty - might he be a sell-high candidate?Thanks,

Josh.

As a scientist I will say that the majority of Doctor's do not have a clue when it comes to genetics, or actual science. I have never heard of a "Tissue Issue". I would NOT go and sell gore or even worry about this too much. Its a doctor giving an opinion. A molecular biologist would be the person to talk to if there was something called a tissue issue which was a genetic disorder

The doctor is not off his rocker. The number 1 thing doctors use to determine a diagnosis is an injury history. Gore has had both ACLs and shoulder labrums reconstructed. Both are ligament tissue injuries. There are genetic disorders that give people more laxity in ligaments then other people, and given Gore's injury history, if there was anyone in the NFL to have this condition, my money would be on Gore. Now the fracture to me has nothing to do with ligaments from what I know, but the doctor could know more than me. However, it was during a non-contact drill. I predicted last year Gore would be place on the IR or miss several weeks with a bad ankle sprain because of the possiblity of this condition, but obviously I was wrong. Would not surprise me if it happens this year though. Will I still take him in the first round? Yes. After the 1st two RBs, is there anyone left without serious question marks for a 1st round pick?

 

[-Crippler-]

Is that a dead horse or Frank Gore?

 

[redman]

Formal definition, from the Urban Dictionary:

Tissue Issue

A human resource issue when someone is whining and a mock tissue to wipe the eye is necessary.

Also a human resource issue involving people rather than equipment or processes.

"Are you whining? This sounds like a tissue issue."

"We've got another tissue issue, the warehouse crew is #####ing again."

Sounds like Dr. Meister is hipper than we thought.

 

[buck naked]

Is that a dead horse or Frank Gore?

LOL

 

[Jene Bramel]

As a scientist I will say that the majority of Doctor's do not have a clue when it comes to genetics, or actual science. I have never heard of a "Tissue Issue". I would NOT go and sell gore or even worry about this too much. Its a doctor giving an opinion. A molecular biologist would be the person to talk to if there was something called a tissue issue which was a genetic disorder

Things like "tissue issue" or "bad protoplasm" are just throwaway terms people (not just doctors) use when discussing folks who always seem to be injured/hurt. It has nothing to do with science. It has nothing to with whether this, or any other, physician is clueless about science and genetics. As ATC said, it doesn't take a molecular biologist to understand that some people have more laxity in their joints and, excuse the clueless doctor here, "poorer" connective tissue than others. No one on a message board is going to know definitively whether Gore is one of those folks or not.Seasons like he had last year are not flukes. Many have been impressed by his talent in the past. An injury history such as his may also not be a fluke. Buyer (and seller) beware with Gore.

 

[dickey moe]

The ultimate boom or bust candidate. I'm still on the boom bandwagon until he shows me otherwise.

 

[Two Deep]

As a scientist I will say that the majority of Doctor's do not have a clue when it comes to genetics, or actual science. I have never heard of a "Tissue Issue". I would NOT go and sell gore or even worry about this too much. Its a doctor giving an opinion. A molecular biologist would be the person to talk to if there was something called a tissue issue which was a genetic disorder

Things like "tissue issue" or "bad protoplasm" are just throwaway terms people (not just doctors) use when discussing folks who always seem to be injured/hurt. It has nothing to do with science. It has nothing to with whether this, or any other, physician is clueless about science and genetics. As ATC said, it doesn't take a molecular biologist to understand that some people have more laxity in their joints and, excuse the clueless doctor here, "poorer" connective tissue than others. No one on a message board is going to know definitively whether Gore is one of those folks or not.

Seasons like he had last year are not flukes. Many have been impressed by his talent in the past. An injury history such as his may also not be a fluke. Buyer (and seller) beware with Gore.

I had one of these earlier in the john.

 

[ExtraPoint]

So a tissue issue would apply both to broken bones and torn ligaments? I'm not a doctor, just asking honestly if it would.

 

[GregR_2]

Is that a dead horse or Frank Gore?

Hopefully it's a dead horse, because I heard somewhere that Gore has a genetic "tissue issue" and so beating on him with a stick probably isn't a good idea.

 

[Raiders Fan]

The ultimate boom or bust candidate. I'm still on the boom bandwagon until he shows me otherwise.

He's showed 1 year to stay healthy.. That is all.. Very scary pick here. I took him last year in 1 league as a value pick later but WILL NOT TOUCH HIM this year at his current draft spot.. RB's have a big risk to get injured.. Drafting an injury prone RB is even more scary..

 

[Jene Bramel]

So a tissue issue would apply both to broken bones and torn ligaments? I'm not a doctor, just asking honestly if it would.

It depends on the context. "Tissue" implies ligaments, tendons, joints, etc, not bony structures. That's probably what was meant in this instance. It's just a *catchy* rhyme, though, and I could see how it might be used to describe anyone that was "injury prone" without regard to whether the history was muscular, ligamentous or bony. Again, this is mostly Will Carroll putting the term "injury prone" into another context and applying it to Gore. He could've said "brittle boned" or "bad protoplasm" or "tissue issue". To me, there's no new information in his comment. It's painfully clear that Gore has had trouble staying healthy. Whether there's some genetic issue is almost certainly unknowable in Gore's case and not particularly important given his history.

 

[(HULK)]

Is Frank Gore's Tissue Issue better or worse than Marshal Faulk's Ball Cancer?

 

[ExtraPoint]

So a tissue issue would apply both to broken bones and torn ligaments? I'm not a doctor, just asking honestly if it would.

It depends on the context. "Tissue" implies ligaments, tendons, joints, etc, not bony structures. That's probably what was meant in this instance. It's just a *catchy* rhyme, though, and I could see how it might be used to describe anyone that was "injury prone" without regard to whether the history was muscular, ligamentous or bony. Again, this is mostly Will Carroll putting the term "injury prone" into another context and applying it to Gore. He could've said "brittle boned" or "bad protoplasm" or "tissue issue". To me, there's no new information in his comment. It's painfully clear that Gore has had trouble staying healthy. Whether there's some genetic issue is almost certainly unknowable in Gore's case and not particularly important given his history.

Kinda what I was thinking although bone is also technically another kind of "tissue". Which makes me wonder if there is some sort of genetic issue that would affect all the various kinds of tissue in a person's body. I'm kind of a health nut and found it interesting.

 

[ATC1]

So a tissue issue would apply both to broken bones and torn ligaments? I'm not a doctor, just asking honestly if it would.

It depends on the context. "Tissue" implies ligaments, tendons, joints, etc, not bony structures. That's probably what was meant in this instance. It's just a *catchy* rhyme, though, and I could see how it might be used to describe anyone that was "injury prone" without regard to whether the history was muscular, ligamentous or bony. Again, this is mostly Will Carroll putting the term "injury prone" into another context and applying it to Gore. He could've said "brittle boned" or "bad protoplasm" or "tissue issue". To me, there's no new information in his comment. It's painfully clear that Gore has had trouble staying healthy. Whether there's some genetic issue is almost certainly unknowable in Gore's case and not particularly important given his history.

Kinda what I was thinking although bone is also technically another kind of "tissue". Which makes me wonder if there is some sort of genetic issue that would affect all the various kinds of tissue in a person's body. I'm kind of a health nut and found it interesting.

Not that i know of. There is a disorder with people with brittle bones, but this is the first fracture Gore has had. So, when the doctor talks about a Tissue Issue, I think he refers to the ligaments. Don't know why it was brought up now after a fracture. There maybe a condition that factors in every tissue including bones, but I think people with a disorder like that would not be able to take the pounding to be in the NFL.

 

[Jene Bramel]

So a tissue issue would apply both to broken bones and torn ligaments? I'm not a doctor, just asking honestly if it would.

It depends on the context. "Tissue" implies ligaments, tendons, joints, etc, not bony structures. That's probably what was meant in this instance. It's just a *catchy* rhyme, though, and I could see how it might be used to describe anyone that was "injury prone" without regard to whether the history was muscular, ligamentous or bony. Again, this is mostly Will Carroll putting the term "injury prone" into another context and applying it to Gore. He could've said "brittle boned" or "bad protoplasm" or "tissue issue". To me, there's no new information in his comment. It's painfully clear that Gore has had trouble staying healthy. Whether there's some genetic issue is almost certainly unknowable in Gore's case and not particularly important given his history.

Kinda what I was thinking although bone is also technically another kind of "tissue". Which makes me wonder if there is some sort of genetic issue that would affect all the various kinds of tissue in a person's body. I'm kind of a health nut and found it interesting.

There are many different types of collagen, the protein which makes up a good amount of the connective tissue in the body. Some types are found in bone, some are found in ligaments/tendons/etc. There are conditions that involve problems with more than one type, but I'm not aware of one that causes problems with bones and ligaments, etc. As ATC said, many of these conditions are associated with severe complications and most would preclude anything like NFL contact.

 

[Josh the FunkDOC]

Thanks for the discussion, guys! FBG: Entertaining and educational! =P

Where this interests me is...I was on the "Gore as #2 pick" bandwagon for quite awhile, and he's one of my favorite non-Browns to root for, but I just can't completely ignore all the red flags. I bumped LJ waaaaaay down because of the 416+ carries, so it should only make sense that Gore should drop with everything he's been through.

I see him as the X-factor of this year - if he can survive close to a full season, the Niners will most likely win the division and he will probably be on more fantasy championship teams than any other player.

Realistically, in a redraft, I still might take him with that 4th or 5th pick, despite the tone of my OP. As scary as he is, guys like Westbrook/LJ/Alexander are at least as much so.

-Josh

 

[corpcow]

Well gee Dr. Keith Meister (whoever the hell that is) call out a "tissue issue" - Gore's off my draft list.

Funny, there's a guy by that name trying to acquire Gore in one of my dynasty leagues... go figure.

 

[tomarken]

The Keith Meister. Makin copies.

 

[Otis]

Oh lord.

 

[Willowdoc]

Alot of people on this thread have it incorrect. the Labrum is a fibrocartilagnous area that protects the shoulder joint. There are no ligements involved (alright I am an endocrinologist, so I double checked with an orthopod to make sure I was correct here). That means there were three seperate types of injuries: ligaments (in the knee); cartilige (torn labrum) and bone (hand fracture). I couldn't think of, nor could the sports orthopod I talked to, any disease that would increase the risk fo these three injuries. This is a nonissue, Frank Gore, like "fragile" Freddy Taylor before him, has had bad luck with injuries.

 

[JAA]

Mrs. JAA doesnt like hand injuries ... especially for RBs

 

[switz]

I looked and this doesn't seem to have been posted anywhere, so here is some seemingly important information from injury expert Will Carroll. He's always a good read, but this particular bit stands out:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/fant...port/index.html

• Frank Gore was the first big casualty of training camp. Already plagued by fumbling issues last season, a broken hand isn't something that bodes well for a guy who many have pegged as a possible rushing champ. Gore's hand will take about a month to fully heal, but he should be able to play before that with proper padding. He'll miss at least the first two preseason games, though no one thinks that this is that big of an issue. (Just ask fellow 'Cane Edgerrin James what he thinks about pre-season games.) Gore could actually save his body a bit of wear and tear, always a concern for this injury-prone player. Gore's one limitation seems to be his health. While certainly the result of a non-preventable situation, this fracture shows that Gore has what Dr. Keith Meister calls a "tissue issue" -- genetically, it doesn't seem Gore can hold up. I still love him as a first round pick, but he's risky enough that if I have the fourth or fifth pick in the draft, I'd likely take someone else.

Umm...is it just me, or is his apparent genetic makeup downright scary? Particularly for dynasty - might he be a sell-high candidate?Thanks,

Josh.

Bone is different than tissue. So I'm not sure how a broken bone would point out anything about tissue.

 

[Vikes Fan]

I should be allowed to comment on all of Frank Gore's injuries. I am not a doctor, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

(Sorry, I couldn't resist. )

 

[ATC1]

Alot of people on this thread have it incorrect. the Labrum is a fibrocartilagnous area that protects the shoulder joint. There are no ligements involved (alright I am an endocrinologist, so I double checked with an orthopod to make sure I was correct here). That means there were three seperate types of injuries: ligaments (in the knee); cartilige (torn labrum) and bone (hand fracture). I couldn't think of, nor could the sports orthopod I talked to, any disease that would increase the risk fo these three injuries. This is a nonissue, Frank Gore, like "fragile" Freddy Taylor before him, has had bad luck with injuries.

Was trying not to get too technical, but the condition that is referred here is hyper-mobility of joints. Hyper-mobility of the kneea nd ankle invoves the ligaments that give those joints stability, thus ligaments are more likely to be damaged. In the shoulder and hip the tissue that gives the joint stability is the fibrocartliage (labrum), so the labrum is involved in shoulder and hip hyper-mobility and more likely to be injured. Fractures have nothing to do with joint hyper-mobility.

 

[switz]

Alot of people on this thread have it incorrect. the Labrum is a fibrocartilagnous area that protects the shoulder joint. There are no ligements involved (alright I am an endocrinologist, so I double checked with an orthopod to make sure I was correct here). That means there were three seperate types of injuries: ligaments (in the knee); cartilige (torn labrum) and bone (hand fracture). I couldn't think of, nor could the sports orthopod I talked to, any disease that would increase the risk fo these three injuries. This is a nonissue, Frank Gore, like "fragile" Freddy Taylor before him, has had bad luck with injuries.

Was trying not to get too technical, but the condition that is referred here is hyper-mobility of joints. Hyper-mobility of the kneea nd ankle invoves the ligaments that give those joints stability, thus ligaments are more likely to be damaged. In the shoulder and hip the tissue that gives the joint stability is the fibrocartliage (labrum), so the labrum is involved in shoulder and hip hyper-mobility and more likely to be injured. Fractures have nothing to do with joint hyper-mobility.

And if the doctor was saying Gore had this condition due to a genetic disease, likely Ehlers-Danlos syndrome which is characterized by weakness of the connective tissues (note: ) of the body, it still would have ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING to do with a broken hand.Additionally, the connective tissue referred in in Ehlers-Danlos is typically loose connective tissue, ie. collagenous, elastic, and reticular fibers. This is not the same as fibrous connective tissue such as that found in ligaments and tendons. Hence it is extremely unlikely Gore's shoulder and knee issues are related to Ehlers-Danlos, and it is definite that the broken hand is not related to it.In most cases, joint hyper-mobility does not result in ligament tears - rather subluxations and dislocations. So while one might attribute Gore's shoulder issues to a "genetic tissue issue" - none of his other injuries could be attributed to it.

 

[ExtraPoint]

Thanks guys, interesting discussion with no belittleing

 

[chris1969]

I happen to know Dr Meister personally, ever since we had our first high school jobs working at McDonalds where he was known as the Burger Meister and we have kept in touch ever since. I just called him and asked for a further clarification on the "tissue issue" thing. I asked if he could put it into layman's terms as much as possible, as I'm really not familar with medical terms. We had a 30 minute discussion that started off with "the hand bone is connected to the wrist bone..."

It turns out that all this stuff is connected to Gore's knee bone so it could be serious!!!

 

[chris1969]

After all there has to be a little belittling.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

The Keith Meister. Makin copies.

Keith.Keitho.Keithorama.Keeeeeeeith.[/hijack]

 

[gebz306]

MLB Lofa Tatupu(Seahawks) on Sirius NFL Radio ch 124 today rated the top 3 rb's he has faced and he ranked Gore #3....... #2 was Tomlinson

And #1 AMAZINGLY to the surprise of everybody was Fred Taylor

 

[Chaka]

I have no problem downgrading this guy due to his injury history. Bad genetics, bad luck, bad voodoo, bad mojo whatever it is this guy has got it.

He is probably the #6 RB on my board.

 

[chris1969]

The more everybody talks, the higher Gore moves up on my list. He and Westbrook are officially the new Fred Taylors of the NFL. I'll be happy if both fall. You guys make sure you draft a safe guy like LJ!!!