Max Power
Footballguy
well trainers obviously know more than doctors
However...on the bright side, this doctor has not seen the MRI yet. So his timetable could be way off.
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UPDATE: Childress says "Unlikely Peterson plays next week" (1 Viewer)
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However...on the bright side, this doctor has not seen the MRI yet. So his timetable could be way off.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Not suprising. I see the Vikes putting ADP on injured reserve soon.
snogger
Footballguy
Exactly.. IMO, Doctor's shouldn't be saying the extent of the injury/ recovery time unless they have looked at the MRI.well trainers obviously know more than doctors
Every tear is NOT the same.
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
I'm sure there's a renowned surgeon, Dr. John Johnson that would say: "Ah, he'll be fine in a week."well trainers obviously know more than doctors
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I'm sure a renowned surgeon has more knowledge of LCL tears than some doctor wannabee trainer.Exactly.. IMO, Doctor's shouldn't be saying the extent of the injury/ recovery time unless they have looked at the MRI.well trainers obviously know more than doctorsHowever...on the bright side, this doctor has not seen the MRI yet. So his timetable could be way off.
Every tear is NOT the same.
snogger
Footballguy
Every injury is different. Otherwise no need for doctors.. Broke your leg.. Hmm, well one time we had to amputate the leg of a patient so might as well be safe..I'm sure a renowned surgeon has more knowledge of LCL tears than some doctor wannabee trainer.Exactly.. IMO, Doctor's shouldn't be saying the extent of the injury/ recovery time unless they have looked at the MRI.well trainers obviously know more than doctorsHowever...on the bright side, this doctor has not seen the MRI yet. So his timetable could be way off.
Every tear is NOT the same.
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shadyridr
Footballguy
meh. I would think sports medicine trainers would know just as much about ligament injuries.I'm sure a renowned surgeon has more knowledge of LCL tears than some doctor wannabee trainer.Exactly.. IMO, Doctor's shouldn't be saying the extent of the injury/ recovery time unless they have looked at the MRI.well trainers obviously know more than doctors
Every tear is NOT the same.
timschochet
Footballguy
From Twin Cities. com:
The Vikings are not ruling out the possibility of rookie Adrian Peterson returning from a sprained right knee as soon as the Nov. 25 game against the New York Giants.
But a renowned orthopedic specialist said Peterson should shut it down for the rest of the 2007 season.
"It's not realistic," said Dr. Johnny Benjamin, the chief of orthopedics at Indian River Medical Center in Vero Beach, Fla. "Saying it's a Grade 2-plus (tear) is the doctors trying to give coach (Brad) Childress and all the Viking faithful some hope.
"But it's a torn ligament, and a torn ligament is going to take six weeks to heal. And that's for someone like a doctor or news writer, who doesn't go out there and make cuts like Adrian Peterson obviously does."
Peterson and the Vikings were relieved Monday morning when a magnetic resonance imaging exam confirmed that the running back tore his lateral collateral ligament, the least debilitating of the four ligaments in the knee, during the third quarter of a 34-0 loss to the Green Bay Packers on Sunday.
Childress, who ruled Peterson out for Sunday's home game against the Oakland Raiders, and head athletic trainer Eric Sugarman declined to provide a timetable. But Sugarman said Peterson "absolutely has a chance" to play against the Giants, "unless there's some crazy setback."
"It is not a season-ending injury," Sugarman said. "It just is not."
Childress acknowledged that Peterson could do more damage by returning too soon, and he added, "We're not going to put him out there until he can protect himself."
Benjamin said Peterson could return this season - the Vikings have seven games left - but he said the risk isn't worth taking.
"If you're looking out for that young man's career, you'd shut him down," said Benjamin, who works with the Los Angeles Dodgers during spring training and has worked with, among others, former Vikings quarterback Daunte Culpepper and Denver Nuggets guard Allen Iverson. "But if coach Childress is looking for his job security, then you're trying to figure out a way to get him back on the field.
"If treated properly, Adrian Peterson will be the beast he's always been," Benjamin said. "But if treated improperly, this could be a nagging injury and impact his career, and he may never be the same. He is maybe the best rookie ever. Why would you take a chance on his career by bringing him back too early?"
Peterson said he was thankful that it was "just a sprain," admitting that he initially feared that he suffered a more serious knee injury. He didn't sleep well Sunday night, and he was nervous about his Monday morning MRI.
A few hours later, Peterson was upbeat, and he insisted the injury scare wouldn't affect his psyche or aggressive running style.
"That's me. That's how I run the ball," Peterson said. "I can't do anything about a guy coming and hitting me in my legs. It's football."
Asked if he had any fear of injuries, Peterson said, "That's not something I think about.
"I don't go out there and be worried about getting injured, because nine times out of 10, that's how you get injured," he said. "I just go out there and play fast, and let things happen."
Peterson said he would trust Sugarman and the Vikings' medical staff to help him get back onto the football field. But it is common for injured players to seek a second opinion, especially on a day off like today.
Sugarman said offensive linemen, with a brace, could play with the injury as soon as Sunday. In October 2002, Packers quarterback Brett Favre suffered an LCL sprain, rested during the bye week, then continued his record streak of consecutive games played.
Sugarman said Peterson's knee needs to be more stable than either an offensive lineman's or a quarterback's.
"He is an aggressive, violent runner," Sugarman said. "He's not physically able to do that (cut) yet. You've got to let the trauma settle down."
Benjamin said an LCL tear can heal if "given the proper time," but he added that there are no exercises or magic elixirs to expedite the process.
"You don't want to stress it," Benjamin said. "Let it quiet down. Get it nice and strong and tight again."
There is another challenge, Benjamin said: Even if Peterson's knee heals, his fitness could suffer because his workout options would be limited.
"He may be able to swim and ride a bike and do Pilates," Benjamin said, "but football has that added dimension, and that's contact."
Benjamin pointed to players who miss a significant chunk of training camp but keep working out. "It's not the same," Benjamin said. "You got to get back in football shape."
With 1,081 yards, Peterson leads the NFL in rushing, and he's still on pace to break Eric Dickerson's rookie record of 1,808. But Benjamin said that shouldn't matter.
"Why push him for a rookie record?" Benjamin said. "Part of the issue with professional sports is, there are a lot of things that come into play, and it usually relates to dollars and cents. If I was Adrian's uncle, there would be no way I would advise him (to play)."
The Vikings are not ruling out the possibility of rookie Adrian Peterson returning from a sprained right knee as soon as the Nov. 25 game against the New York Giants.
But a renowned orthopedic specialist said Peterson should shut it down for the rest of the 2007 season.
"It's not realistic," said Dr. Johnny Benjamin, the chief of orthopedics at Indian River Medical Center in Vero Beach, Fla. "Saying it's a Grade 2-plus (tear) is the doctors trying to give coach (Brad) Childress and all the Viking faithful some hope.
"But it's a torn ligament, and a torn ligament is going to take six weeks to heal. And that's for someone like a doctor or news writer, who doesn't go out there and make cuts like Adrian Peterson obviously does."
Peterson and the Vikings were relieved Monday morning when a magnetic resonance imaging exam confirmed that the running back tore his lateral collateral ligament, the least debilitating of the four ligaments in the knee, during the third quarter of a 34-0 loss to the Green Bay Packers on Sunday.
Childress, who ruled Peterson out for Sunday's home game against the Oakland Raiders, and head athletic trainer Eric Sugarman declined to provide a timetable. But Sugarman said Peterson "absolutely has a chance" to play against the Giants, "unless there's some crazy setback."
"It is not a season-ending injury," Sugarman said. "It just is not."
Childress acknowledged that Peterson could do more damage by returning too soon, and he added, "We're not going to put him out there until he can protect himself."
Benjamin said Peterson could return this season - the Vikings have seven games left - but he said the risk isn't worth taking.
"If you're looking out for that young man's career, you'd shut him down," said Benjamin, who works with the Los Angeles Dodgers during spring training and has worked with, among others, former Vikings quarterback Daunte Culpepper and Denver Nuggets guard Allen Iverson. "But if coach Childress is looking for his job security, then you're trying to figure out a way to get him back on the field.
"If treated properly, Adrian Peterson will be the beast he's always been," Benjamin said. "But if treated improperly, this could be a nagging injury and impact his career, and he may never be the same. He is maybe the best rookie ever. Why would you take a chance on his career by bringing him back too early?"
Peterson said he was thankful that it was "just a sprain," admitting that he initially feared that he suffered a more serious knee injury. He didn't sleep well Sunday night, and he was nervous about his Monday morning MRI.
A few hours later, Peterson was upbeat, and he insisted the injury scare wouldn't affect his psyche or aggressive running style.
"That's me. That's how I run the ball," Peterson said. "I can't do anything about a guy coming and hitting me in my legs. It's football."
Asked if he had any fear of injuries, Peterson said, "That's not something I think about.
"I don't go out there and be worried about getting injured, because nine times out of 10, that's how you get injured," he said. "I just go out there and play fast, and let things happen."
Peterson said he would trust Sugarman and the Vikings' medical staff to help him get back onto the football field. But it is common for injured players to seek a second opinion, especially on a day off like today.
Sugarman said offensive linemen, with a brace, could play with the injury as soon as Sunday. In October 2002, Packers quarterback Brett Favre suffered an LCL sprain, rested during the bye week, then continued his record streak of consecutive games played.
Sugarman said Peterson's knee needs to be more stable than either an offensive lineman's or a quarterback's.
"He is an aggressive, violent runner," Sugarman said. "He's not physically able to do that (cut) yet. You've got to let the trauma settle down."
Benjamin said an LCL tear can heal if "given the proper time," but he added that there are no exercises or magic elixirs to expedite the process.
"You don't want to stress it," Benjamin said. "Let it quiet down. Get it nice and strong and tight again."
There is another challenge, Benjamin said: Even if Peterson's knee heals, his fitness could suffer because his workout options would be limited.
"He may be able to swim and ride a bike and do Pilates," Benjamin said, "but football has that added dimension, and that's contact."
Benjamin pointed to players who miss a significant chunk of training camp but keep working out. "It's not the same," Benjamin said. "You got to get back in football shape."
With 1,081 yards, Peterson leads the NFL in rushing, and he's still on pace to break Eric Dickerson's rookie record of 1,808. But Benjamin said that shouldn't matter.
"Why push him for a rookie record?" Benjamin said. "Part of the issue with professional sports is, there are a lot of things that come into play, and it usually relates to dollars and cents. If I was Adrian's uncle, there would be no way I would advise him (to play)."
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
That quote looks vaguely familiar.
ScoobyDoo
Footballguy
That's certainly what many of us were saying yesterday could happen.Boy, oh, boy what a franchise.
shadyridr
Footballguy
shadyridr
Footballguy
Hungry?
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
He hasn't played yet.
shadyridr
Footballguy
he will. Just figured 428143 wanted to save his appetite.
barista
Footballguy
getting hungry?
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
No, but I'm kinda thirsty. I'll take a a nonfat latte with whipped cream, thanks.
The Transformer
Footballguy
Sorry, I just cant help it: Can we get a pic of you eating that hat on Sunday?
