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looks like incomplete to me, dont see how you can change hands and consider that having control of the ball. Refs will give it to them though, have given them the rest
Players change hands all the time. look at RBs.. just cause your swapping it.. doesnt mean you dont control the ball.
but the key is they start out with possession, gaffney didn't have it to start.....the refs missed that one.but the ravens got too conservative on O and give the pats too many chances. billick strikes again.
 
Big win for the Pats.I still think their D is average and will not stop the likes of Dal/GB/Ind/Pit (maybe)The problem with a team like, say Dallas, is they don't match up well against the NE offense...at all.If NE gets by Pitt, it is all over but the crying for Shula and Co.
Baltimore doesn't match up nearly as well as you think. The weather/wind had a HUGE part in this game nobody will remember who didn't see this game.Dallas would have had a lot better of a chance to win a game like tonight because basically the passing game was neutralized by Mother Nature.We can argue or complain but it must have been meant to be, what can you say but hats off. They did get lucky but often you create your own luck.It's the Patriots time, give them their credit. When you're team's up you'll want the same for them.
 
Riddle me this . . .On kickoffs, isn't the rule that kicking the ball out of bounds results in the ball being spotted 30 yards from the spot of the kick? If so, he should kick the ball out of bounds and pin them at the 5 yard line.
I looked it up and I was right . . .
When a kickoff goes out of bounds between the goal lines without being touched by the receiving team, the ball belongs to the receivers 30 yards from the spot of the kick or at the out-of-bounds spot unless the ball went out-of-bounds the first time an onside kick was attempted. In this case, the kicking team is penalized five yards and the ball must be kicked again.
Wow, so the refs blew that, too, eh? Big shock.
 
And by the way, stop crying about the refs. If anything, the Pats got screwed by the holding call in the end zone. That should have been pass intereference with the Pats getting the ball 1st and goal at the 1.

 
What a finish....

Quick question. Let's say the overturned the TD ruling, wouldn't New England have had the ball much closer to the goal line and a first down because of Bart Scott's meltdown?

 
terrible. the timeout and then the false start, both plays stopped, i knew it was over when the patriots got a 3rd try on 4th down. the 4th down flag on watson was BS. Ravens let 'em off the hook.

 
After watching NE the past 2 weeks, I think the Steelers have a legit shot next week. I think Lebeau will have a few tricks up his sleeve for Brady & Co.
I do too.The Steelers will move the ball with ease IMO.I'll go out on a limb right now:Pit - 34NE - 31
 
Congrats to NE on another close win. I wonder if the bandwagon gamblers are jumping ship though. That's 2 weeks in a row people betting on NE have lost.

 
Pathetic. I literally feel like I was robbed. Those referees should be fired. New England officially gets the win, but they should be embarrassed to accept it.

 
there was DEFINITELY movement on that ball in Gaffney's hands after he stepped out...I've seen longer reviews for spotting the ball, they spend 30 seconds on THAT?
Ref was probably just checking to confirm that Gaffney's feet were in. It would have been a longer review if he actually checked for the catch.
 
Riddle me this . . .On kickoffs, isn't the rule that kicking the ball out of bounds results in the ball being spotted 30 yards from the spot of the kick? If so, he should kick the ball out of bounds and pin them at the 5 yard line.
I looked it up and I was right . . .
When a kickoff goes out of bounds between the goal lines without being touched by the receiving team, the ball belongs to the receivers 30 yards from the spot of the kick or at the out-of-bounds spot unless the ball went out-of-bounds the first time an onside kick was attempted. In this case, the kicking team is penalized five yards and the ball must be kicked again.
Wow, so the refs blew that, too, eh? Big shock.
The ball didn't go out of bounds between the goal lines. It went out the back.
 
terrible. the timeout and then the false start, both plays stopped, i knew it was over when the patriots got a 3rd try on 4th down. the 4th down flag on watson was BS. Ravens let 'em off the hook.
I love it - feel your Patriots hate running though your viens. Let go your anger and feel the power that is Tom Brady.
 
HAH!!! Take that Mercury Morris!!

Now THAT'S how a champion does it!
Really?
Yeah, really. Got the ball, late in the 4th quarter, deep in your own territory, and you need a touchdown. You complete two 4th downs against a swarming defense and the whole world against you.Yes, my friend. THAT'S how a champion operates. Here endeth the lesson.
Gee, I can't imagine why people claim the pats fans are arrogant.

 
Riddle me this . . .On kickoffs, isn't the rule that kicking the ball out of bounds results in the ball being spotted 30 yards from the spot of the kick? If so, he should kick the ball out of bounds and pin them at the 5 yard line.
I looked it up and I was right . . .
When a kickoff goes out of bounds between the goal lines without being touched by the receiving team, the ball belongs to the receivers 30 yards from the spot of the kick or at the out-of-bounds spot unless the ball went out-of-bounds the first time an onside kick was attempted. In this case, the kicking team is penalized five yards and the ball must be kicked again.
Wow, so the refs blew that, too, eh? Big shock.
The ball didn't go out of bounds between the goal lines. It went out the back.
Ah, okay. I just reread it.
 
Riddle me this . . .On kickoffs, isn't the rule that kicking the ball out of bounds results in the ball being spotted 30 yards from the spot of the kick? If so, he should kick the ball out of bounds and pin them at the 5 yard line.
I looked it up and I was right . . .
When a kickoff goes out of bounds between the goal lines without being touched by the receiving team, the ball belongs to the receivers 30 yards from the spot of the kick or at the out-of-bounds spot unless the ball went out-of-bounds the first time an onside kick was attempted. In this case, the kicking team is penalized five yards and the ball must be kicked again.
Wow, so the refs blew that, too, eh? Big shock.
No, they didn't kick it out of bounds, they kicked it thru the endzone. I believe he's saying they should have just kicked it out of bounds.I thought they should have went for an on side kick myself to get the ball. Baltimore did get the ball down to their 1 or 2 yard line.
 
If I'm a Raven -- each and every one of whom played their guts out tonight -- I officially quit on my coaches for the rest of this season. Just shameful how Billick & Co. screwed their own team tonight.

On the other side of the ball, the Patriots aren't nearly as good as we thought.

 
On the other side of the ball, the Patriots aren't nearly as good as we thought.
Yep, I think they benefited a lot from the fact that their offense had them up by so many points, so early in games for most of the season. If you can slow their offense down, you can put up points against the D.I hope they go down hard.
 
Big win for the Pats.I still think their D is average and will not stop the likes of Dal/GB/Ind/Pit (maybe)The problem with a team like, say Dallas, is they don't match up well against the NE offense...at all.If NE gets by Pitt, it is all over but the crying for Shula and Co.
Baltimore doesn't match up nearly as well as you think. The weather/wind had a HUGE part in this game nobody will remember who didn't see this game.Dallas would have had a lot better of a chance to win a game like tonight because basically the passing game was neutralized by Mother Nature.We can argue or complain but it must have been meant to be, what can you say but hats off. They did get lucky but often you create your own luck.It's the Patriots time, give them their credit. When you're team's up you'll want the same for them.
Dallas IS my team.They don't have the presonel on defense IMO to dial up the blitz and leave their corners on an island against the NE receivers.They could win a shootout though...they made so many mistakes (and penalties) in that game, and they are clearly a better team today than they were then, while NE is, IMO clearly not quite as good.I just hate the matchups that are created by generating the requisite pressure on the line.
 
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Riddle me this . . .On kickoffs, isn't the rule that kicking the ball out of bounds results in the ball being spotted 30 yards from the spot of the kick? If so, he should kick the ball out of bounds and pin them at the 5 yard line.
I looked it up and I was right . . .
When a kickoff goes out of bounds between the goal lines without being touched by the receiving team, the ball belongs to the receivers 30 yards from the spot of the kick or at the out-of-bounds spot unless the ball went out-of-bounds the first time an onside kick was attempted. In this case, the kicking team is penalized five yards and the ball must be kicked again.
Wow, so the refs blew that, too, eh? Big shock.
What did they blow? Yudkin's talking about a hypothetical. Talk about blind piling on.
 
Pathetic. I literally feel like I was robbed. Those referees should be fired. New England officially gets the win, but they should be embarrassed to accept it.
Which one or ones I should say didn't you like?Honostly I think there was some luck that went into the win.....but not really a problem with the officials.Baltimore did call timeout. NE did move on that 4th and 1 and it ended up 4th and 6 where Brady ran for a first down.On 4th and 5, that was holding on Baltimore, he hit him.Now, the TD catch was close. It's debateable but the call was a TD and I'd see why it was called a TD before going under the hood. With it being a TD on the field, I can see why it wasn't overturned.I think it's all sort of mindboggling how NE needed all that to go their way to keep an undefeated season going but that makes me respect going undefeated all that much more now.
 
Riddle me this . . .On kickoffs, isn't the rule that kicking the ball out of bounds results in the ball being spotted 30 yards from the spot of the kick? If so, he should kick the ball out of bounds and pin them at the 5 yard line.
I looked it up and I was right . . .
When a kickoff goes out of bounds between the goal lines without being touched by the receiving team, the ball belongs to the receivers 30 yards from the spot of the kick or at the out-of-bounds spot unless the ball went out-of-bounds the first time an onside kick was attempted. In this case, the kicking team is penalized five yards and the ball must be kicked again.
Wow, so the refs blew that, too, eh? Big shock.
What did they blow? Yudkin's talking about a hypothetical. Talk about blind piling on.
I already acknowledged that I misread what he posted. Try and keep up. :pickle:
 
Big win for the Pats.I still think their D is average and will not stop the likes of Dal/GB/Ind/Pit (maybe)The problem with a team like, say Dallas, is they don't match up well against the NE offense...at all.If NE gets by Pitt, it is all over but the crying for Shula and Co.
Baltimore doesn't match up nearly as well as you think. The weather/wind had a HUGE part in this game nobody will remember who didn't see this game.Dallas would have had a lot better of a chance to win a game like tonight because basically the passing game was neutralized by Mother Nature.We can argue or complain but it must have been meant to be, what can you say but hats off. They did get lucky but often you create your own luck.It's the Patriots time, give them their credit. When you're team's up you'll want the same for them.
Dallas IS my team.They don't have the presonel on defense IMO to dial up the blitz and leave their corners on an island against the NE receivers.They could win a shootout though...they made so many mistakes (and penalties) in that game, and they are clearly a better team today than they were then, while NE is, IMO clearly not quite as good.I just hate the matchups that are created by generating the requisite pressure on the line.
ya, I know what you're saying and I'm a Dallas fan ultimately. I'm just saying Baltimore can be passed on themselves, but tonight the wind was their 13th and 14th defensive players behind their fans.If that games played on a beautiful night, NE has a lot less trouble. It wasn't, I understand but you can't also gaurantee bad weather vs. other teams.If Pittsburgh plays NE on a nice night, meaning not very windy NE will look a lot better.
 
Pathetic. I literally feel like I was robbed. Those referees should be fired. New England officially gets the win, but they should be embarrassed to accept it.
Which one or ones I should say didn't you like?Honostly I think there was some luck that went into the win.....but not really a problem with the officials.Baltimore did call timeout. NE did move on that 4th and 1 and it ended up 4th and 6 where Brady ran for a first down.On 4th and 5, that was holding on Baltimore, he hit him.Now, the TD catch was close. It's debateable but the call was a TD and I'd see why it was called a TD before going under the hood. With it being a TD on the field, I can see why it wasn't overturned.I think it's all sort of mindboggling how NE needed all that to go their way to keep an undefeated season going but that makes me respect going undefeated all that much more now.
:pickle:
 
Riddle me this . . .On kickoffs, isn't the rule that kicking the ball out of bounds results in the ball being spotted 30 yards from the spot of the kick? If so, he should kick the ball out of bounds and pin them at the 5 yard line.
I looked it up and I was right . . .
When a kickoff goes out of bounds between the goal lines without being touched by the receiving team, the ball belongs to the receivers 30 yards from the spot of the kick or at the out-of-bounds spot unless the ball went out-of-bounds the first time an onside kick was attempted. In this case, the kicking team is penalized five yards and the ball must be kicked again.
Wow, so the refs blew that, too, eh? Big shock.
What did they blow? Yudkin's talking about a hypothetical. Talk about blind piling on.
I already acknowledged that I misread what he posted. Try and keep up. :mellow:
I'll try to read updating posts while I'm on the post writing page. :pickle:
 
The only thing that will make my football season complete is for the Patriots to go 19-0 and for the Dolphins to go 0-16.

That makes me happy on several levels.

> The Pats would have the most victories every possible in a season - and more than the 72 Fins.

> Miami would be the worst single season team in professional sports history.

> The 72 Dolphins would be forced to shut their yappers and embrace their 0-16 team.

 
I can just picture the guy who called that time out (Rex Ryan?), sitting on the team bus, shell-shocked, glassy eyed, holding his knees, rocking back and forth and muttering "time out, time out" over and over to himself.

 
I don't like the Ravens at all. Can't stand their coach, hate Lewis.

But for nearly ten years now, they've had perhaps the best defense in the NFL, and year after year, game after game, this fine defense has been betrayed by a combination of poor coaching and bad QB play.

Tonight was another example. Boller wasn't terrible, but a good QB finds a way to win that game- that interception in the end zone was ill-advised, as was the 3rd and 2 decision to pass the ball short of the 1st down marker.

As for the coaching, what can you say? Horrific time out, awful play calling, etc.

How frustrating must it be to be a member of that Ravens defense...

 

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