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yesno
The only thing consensous about this year's draft class is the top three RB'S are in some order of McFadden, Mendenhal, and Stewart.
Hip Hop Harry
Footballguy
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Am I crazy or is Donnie Avery missing?
dirtyhalos
capital letter hater!
i sent an email off to mr. baca....i'll report back
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
thx
zadok
Footballguy
Not for me...
dirtyhalos
capital letter hater!
he was overlooked........he will find a place for him soonConstruxBoy said:
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Brief commentsQuarterbacks -- I don't think Booty can make it. I think Brennan can. I see someone else isn't sure of Flacco. We're probably both wrong. I like Dixon much higher on a list, in the top 10. He threw the ball nicely from the pocket last year. At Michigan he played the best QB of any QB any week of the season -- and it was as a passer. 13 or 14 QBs will get drafted and I have a hunch Alex Brink might be one of them. He deserves mention on a list this long.
Running Backs -- We've dug into them in several threads. Nothing much to add here but Forte seems so low. I like Patrick but not ahead of Forte and I doubt he's afforded the time to beef up. The third tier is going to merit careful scrutiny soon. I'm mostly interested in Boyd and Omon.
WRs -- Look at Manningham! Good for Baca. He is such a nice talent. And Lavelle over Desean. This is good stuff. I don't agree with it, but the fog is so thick. Caldwell is too low, bro! Defend that please.
TEs -- This is a really nice class. Will anyone emerge? It's a very tough position across the league right now. I like Cottom, Bennett, Keller and Stevens much higher. I feel they all have legit chances for fantasy impact where a few higher rated ones have lower chances.
OTs -- Nicks out of the top 20? Oversight or am I missing something? He's a beast. Possibly a drunk, but a beast.I still think Clady is overrate, but love the kid from Vandy (over Clady, imo).
OGs and Cs -- Not much to go on here this year.
DEs -- Still prefer Groves and Harvey before Merling, but what strikes me is how early I see a stark drop off in talent. If supply and demend drives DE stock, then expect very little to choose from very early in the draft.
DTs -- I like 8-11 better than 5-7. But this is just as foggy as WR with lots of variety for preferences. As a 3-4 DE Fluellen could be a mainstay and very disruptive. Pure NT ability like Red and Rubin has been hard to find for a few years. I wonder if that drives their value way up on draft day?
OLBs -- Again the drop off in talent is almost stunning. What a weak class. I think part of why I am so down on it is the perception that Rivers is so good. He isn't. He is the best of the lot, but I have watched every game he's played and he's a nice player, but... I dunno, something dynamic is missing. Could be familiarity breeding contempt, but it isn't contempt, just lowered expectations by knowing how many plays he didn't make. I would rank Woodyard next just because he is dynamic, and I too love Adibi. Henderson reminds me of Everett last year. All hype, but in his case all hype and injury problems without the speed and coverage skills. Man, few of these will do much in the league.
MLB -- Now this is better. Especially for us IDPers. Everyone in that top ten should be monitored carefully for rookie impact IDP production. I like Moffit much higher, but I have been praising him for three years now. I spotted him and Nicholas and Mike Jenkins and George Selvie (next year first rounder from that school), and they all translate. Brinkley is a disappointing player to me and Dunbar has long odds, imo.
Corners -- Flowers #1 and Cromartie #7! Woot. I like the way this man makes the same mistakes I make.
I'll let jurb sell ya on the greatness of these corners. I like Terrell Thomas way better than Baca does. No doubt there is a lot of help here for NFL teams, but just don't get too excited and think you're landing franchise corners who will be mainstay stoppers. Just some nice talent to help out, and many many teams need that.
Safeties -- An underappreciated and under-talented bunch. Not only is David Roach missing from this top 20, he's missing from most top 10s and he's in my top 5. Nice player, imo. Always made great stops when I saw TCU. Quinton Demps is high on my list. Chris Horton missing from this top 20 rates #7 to me. This may be a good sign the class is better than some think, or... this class may be worse than advertised.
dirtyhalos
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he caught Nicks after the initial post, he has since been added in at #4Brief commentsOTs -- Nicks out of the top 20? Oversight or am I missing something? He's a beast. Possibly a drunk, but a beast.I still think Clady is overrate, but love the kid from Vandy (over Clady, imo).
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I swear when I looked at that Nicks wasn't on the list. Ilike Nicks over Gosder though the character thing is new to me and worrisome. There's rumblings of a possible serious alcohol problem. If so, I don't really care for Gosder (RT material), but would agree with you.
Max Power
Footballguy
I didn't think his arrest was a big deal. I haven't followed up on story, but from the intial version it only sounded like the cops came to a party to bust it up and he was just drunk and didn't want to leave... Is there more?ETA: I was more concerned about the weight issue. He is listed here at 330, but I heard he was around 350+ recently
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Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I kept digging around last night and in some forum someone was talking about them being tougher on Nicks than Purify because they've given him more chances. His issues haven't been public like Maurice's, but the rumor is a serious drinking problem. I have no idea if this was idle gossip or someone in the know, but I was surfing Husker forums and articles with comments when I found the discussion.
Weiner Dog
Footballguy
7. Ali Highsmith - LSU 6-1/225
Ali is one of the fastest guys in the class and his straight line speed will make him an impact player early in his career.
I would have to assume this has been squashed with Highsmith's 5.0+ clocking at the combine, no??
Ali is one of the fastest guys in the class and his straight line speed will make him an impact player early in his career.
I would have to assume this has been squashed with Highsmith's 5.0+ clocking at the combine, no??
LionsFan78
Footballguy
Happy to see Kellen Davis, TE ranked #3. I've followed him a bit at MSU, and thought he looked amazing. I was surprised not to hear more about him after a great combine.
Have there been any more talk about teams looking at him at defensive end?
Have there been any more talk about teams looking at him at defensive end?
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BuckeyeArt
Footballguy
I don't get this at all:
In the big games I watched and in the reviews I've read, the exact opposite is true. He drops easy passes and doesn't play well in a crowd. His biggest asset was his speed, which he hurt by running slow at the combine. Too high for me.
Sean Baca
Footballguy
Brief commentsQuarterbacks -- I don't think Booty can make it. I think Brennan can. I see someone else isn't sure of Flacco. We're probably both wrong. I like Dixon much higher on a list, in the top 10. He threw the ball nicely from the pocket last year. At Michigan he played the best QB of any QB any week of the season -- and it was as a passer. 13 or 14 QBs will get drafted and I have a hunch Alex Brink might be one of them. He deserves mention on a list this long.
Running Backs -- We've dug into them in several threads. Nothing much to add here but Forte seems so low. I like Patrick but not ahead of Forte and I doubt he's afforded the time to beef up. The third tier is going to merit careful scrutiny soon. I'm mostly interested in Boyd and Omon.
WRs -- Look at Manningham! Good for Baca. He is such a nice talent. And Lavelle over Desean. This is good stuff. I don't agree with it, but the fog is so thick. Caldwell is too low, bro! Defend that please.
TEs -- This is a really nice class. Will anyone emerge? It's a very tough position across the league right now. I like Cottom, Bennett, Keller and Stevens much higher. I feel they all have legit chances for fantasy impact where a few higher rated ones have lower chances.
OTs -- Nicks out of the top 20? Oversight or am I missing something? He's a beast. Possibly a drunk, but a beast.I still think Clady is overrate, but love the kid from Vandy (over Clady, imo).
OGs and Cs -- Not much to go on here this year.
DEs -- Still prefer Groves and Harvey before Merling, but what strikes me is how early I see a stark drop off in talent. If supply and demend drives DE stock, then expect very little to choose from very early in the draft.
DTs -- I like 8-11 better than 5-7. But this is just as foggy as WR with lots of variety for preferences. As a 3-4 DE Fluellen could be a mainstay and very disruptive. Pure NT ability like Red and Rubin has been hard to find for a few years. I wonder if that drives their value way up on draft day?
OLBs -- Again the drop off in talent is almost stunning. What a weak class. I think part of why I am so down on it is the perception that Rivers is so good. He isn't. He is the best of the lot, but I have watched every game he's played and he's a nice player, but... I dunno, something dynamic is missing. Could be familiarity breeding contempt, but it isn't contempt, just lowered expectations by knowing how many plays he didn't make. I would rank Woodyard next just because he is dynamic, and I too love Adibi. Henderson reminds me of Everett last year. All hype, but in his case all hype and injury problems without the speed and coverage skills. Man, few of these will do much in the league.
MLB -- Now this is better. Especially for us IDPers. Everyone in that top ten should be monitored carefully for rookie impact IDP production. I like Moffit much higher, but I have been praising him for three years now. I spotted him and Nicholas and Mike Jenkins and George Selvie (next year first rounder from that school), and they all translate. Brinkley is a disappointing player to me and Dunbar has long odds, imo.
Corners -- Flowers #1 and Cromartie #7! Woot. I like the way this man makes the same mistakes I make.
I'll let jurb sell ya on the greatness of these corners. I like Terrell Thomas way better than Baca does. No doubt there is a lot of help here for NFL teams, but just don't get too excited and think you're landing franchise corners who will be mainstay stoppers. Just some nice talent to help out, and many many teams need that.
Safeties -- An underappreciated and under-talented bunch. Not only is David Roach missing from this top 20, he's missing from most top 10s and he's in my top 5. Nice player, imo. Always made great stops when I saw TCU. Quinton Demps is high on my list. Chris Horton missing from this top 20 rates #7 to me. This may be a good sign the class is better than some think, or... this class may be worse than advertised.
Thanks for taking the time to pour over it brother, it might be the only thing tougher than actually writting it. The plate is quite full right now and ranking over 200 players is a tough undertaking so there is no doubt in my mind that some guys that I haven't seen enough of are left out or ranked a little lower than they should be. Now to get to your questions my man,
QB; I am still not infatuated with Flacco, he is a quick learner but I will wait and see on him. I LOVE Dixon as a player, I really do, and beleive me as a Michigan fan I saw what he can do from the pocket but I think he may be under-utilized as a QB. He is one of the very best talents in the entire draft though, that I know is fact.
RB; I like Forte but his pad speed bothers be, I like the homerun hitters but his power is a great selling point. I agree with the Oman statement, it will be interesting to see what team takes him and what he can do in the coming years.
WR; Thanks for the love, and as for Lavelle, I just love his attitude when the ball is in the air, he plays the game the right way. No offense to DeSean but I love Lavelle. Caldwell is perhaps a bit low but I am not in love with pure speed at the WR position. It is great to watch but I think he may find it tough to get a lot of touches other than screens and what not, I could be wrong because speed cannot be covered or tought so who knows?
TE; I actually think that there is a wealth of talent this year at tight end and even being ranked lower doesn't mean i doubt their skills. Cottam will have to prove himself but the others are athletic reciever thight ends who I agrre will put up great fantasy numbers. The class is very deep IMO.
OT; I knew you would be the one to freak when I left Nicks off, I tried to get him put on in time but alas you were too quick.
DE; I couldn't agree more, the talent pool is great but not deep at all and the pond will be fished dry very quickly.
DT; No doubt that Red and Rubin will be taken higher than where I have them ranked (preferences) because they are the foundation type of players that a 3-4 is based upon and with the resurgende of the defense, off the board guys like them come.
OLB; I am higher on Rivers than you are, I like what he brings and the same with Woodyard, I am jsut hesitant to get to hyped about Wesley just yetr, I hope I'm wrong because I like his skills and attitude.
MLB; thanks for the love and I agree about Moffit and Dunbarr, Dunbar is more physical and Moffit more athletic, toghether they're a perennial all-pro linebacker.
Corner; I love Flowers and his physical style but I have not found the love for Cromartie that others have, not quite yet anyways.
Safety; David Roach and Chris Horton are missing only because I have not seen them enough yet, (fill in excuse here) however if you have them ranked that high I will find tape on them and quickly. I also love the talent pool here, deep enough to quench any thirst well into the fourth or fifth rounds
Sean Baca
Footballguy
thanks for the love, I like the power Otah brings but not the stiffness, he will be good but I think the class has better. I think you could flip flop the two very easily and get your desired tackle, both are powerful guys
Sean Baca
Footballguy
I know he has a tendency to drop the ball, believe me I almost broke the T.V. after some of his drops, but when he is on and his head is on straight, he is a great athlete who is a natural at receiver. I do disagree about his speed and his ability in crowds, he dropped balls in crowds at times but also made some great plays (head on straight again) but I never saw him outrun guys in college he just out athleticised them (is that even a word??)
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