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I agree but its a when not if question in my mind.

Just as a snapshot example, there are like ten very athletic boys in my sons fifth grade. Six of them are club level soccer players (two defenders-four attackers) as there top sport, one is baseball, and the other three are either hoop/football. In that grade, almost all of the kids that started in football (over ten) have quit. That's an eye opener.
that's great to hear.

and yeah- I see evidence of the uptick in kids playing all over the place here in NYC. other parents tell me that kids are playing pickup in different parks... but I've yet to see it. it's still pickup hoops for kids around here, not soccer... but I've definitely seen more and more kids just knocking a ball around at the park/playgound- some kid always has a soccer these days, the way somebody used to always have a football when I was growing up.

not to be debbie downer, but I hope that progression continues through HS. I feel like a lot of kids end up giving up the sport by then, as they get dedicated to other things.

 
I agree but its a when not if question in my mind.

Just as a snapshot example, there are like ten very athletic boys in my sons fifth grade. Six of them are club level soccer players (two defenders-four attackers) as there top sport, one is baseball, and the other three are either hoop/football. In that grade, almost all of the kids that started in football (over ten) have quit. That's an eye opener.
that's great to hear.

and yeah- I see evidence of the uptick in kids playing all over the place here in NYC. other parents tell me that kids are playing pickup in different parks... but I've yet to see it. it's still pickup hoops for kids around here, not soccer... but I've definitely seen more and more kids just knocking a ball around at the park/playgound- some kid always has a soccer these days, the way somebody used to always have a football when I was growing up.

not to be debbie downer, but I hope that progression continues through HS. I feel like a lot of kids end up giving up the sport by then, as they get dedicated to other things.
At my kids' school, soccer pickup games are everything at recess. Hell, the 7yr old carries his soccer ball to school every single day.

Our front yard has a strip of mud running up the middle from so many pick-up games being played. Looks like hell, but I don't care. Keep on playing, kids. :hifive:

 
As I said before, my kid plays pickup soccer everywhere. Yard, street(Futsal), park, and always at the beach. As for putting kids in clubs for development, we bring the development to our club instead. We hire Revs trainers, and do extras like Futsal leagues. We go all year round and straight age teams. It's not perfect but because of the social aspects of playing with friends, we rarely lose kids to other sports or more importantly "premier" clubs.

My town u11 team has a winning record over the last three years against the top clubs. I am not sure we have ever actually lost to a premier club. That just shows it can be done in town is all. Teach the foot skills daily, and the rest will come imo. Hire coaches not looking to poach your kids to their club is step one for all town imo.

 
Germany Jones suspended 6 MLS games for ref grab. More importantly- to everybody but Andy- he can't play for the US until he serves the suspension.

speaking of Germany... Toni Kroos said he learned "nothing" from JK during his time at BM.

 
Germany Jones suspended 6 MLS games for ref grab. More importantly- to everybody but Andy- he can't play for the US until he serves the suspension.
The interesting thing here is that if he re-signs with an MLS team (he is out of contract) he will have to miss the qualifiers but if he signs abroad, he won't miss the qualifiers, according to Goff anyway. I am unsure how this is suppose to work

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MLS on Friday suspended midfielder Jermaine Jones for six matches, a ban that, if he remains in the league, would also prevent him from playing in two U.S. World Cup qualifiers next spring.

The suspension — which covers both club and national team games because it involved assaulting a referee — goes into effect when Jones returns to action, whenever and wherever that may be. He is out of contract with the New England Revolution and weighing options abroad.

If he returns to MLS, the suspension would start when the regular season kicks off in early March and overlap with the World Cup qualifiers against Guatemala late that month. By signing elsewhere, and resuming play earlier in 2016, he would serve out the ban before the U.S. matches.

 
Matt Miazga has turned down offers on a new contract to clear the way for a move out of Major League Soccer, likely to Europe, multiple sources have told Yahoo Sports.

The 20-year-old defender has declined from the Red Bulls "significant pay-raise offers that would have multiplied his current contract," according to a source.

The Supporters' Shield winners recently exercised an option on Miazga for the 2016 season, which is the final year of his deal with the league. After the season, he would be able to leave on a free transfer.

A FourFourTwo report linked Miazga with Chelsea, Leicester City and Stoke City. A source confirmed that Miazga, a Polish-American who holds a European Union passport, has "three Premier League teams trailing him

 
220 minutes of soccer last night between the final four teams and ZERO goals. :thumbdown:

Might as well bring all 204 schools to the the finals and have a PK tourney.

 
Yedlin started but was pulled after 19 minutes today - no indication of injury. ESPN match ratings gave him a 3.

Could be on the bench for a bit...

 
Matt Miazga has turned down offers on a new contract to clear the way for a move out of Major League Soccer, likely to Europe, multiple sources have told Yahoo Sports.

The 20-year-old defender has declined from the Red Bulls "significant pay-raise offers that would have multiplied his current contract," according to a source.

The Supporters' Shield winners recently exercised an option on Miazga for the 2016 season, which is the final year of his deal with the league. After the season, he would be able to leave on a free transfer.

A FourFourTwo report linked Miazga with Chelsea, Leicester City and Stoke City. A source confirmed that Miazga, a Polish-American who holds a European Union passport, has "three Premier League teams trailing him
What's his salary for 2015 and 2016?

 
wdcrob said:
NewlyRetired said:
Matt Miazga has turned down offers on a new contract to clear the way for a move out of Major League Soccer, likely to Europe, multiple sources have told Yahoo Sports.

The 20-year-old defender has declined from the Red Bulls "significant pay-raise offers that would have multiplied his current contract," according to a source.

The Supporters' Shield winners recently exercised an option on Miazga for the 2016 season, which is the final year of his deal with the league. After the season, he would be able to leave on a free transfer.

A FourFourTwo report linked Miazga with Chelsea, Leicester City and Stoke City. A source confirmed that Miazga, a Polish-American who holds a European Union passport, has "three Premier League teams trailing him
What's his salary for 2015 and 2016?
74.5k in 2015.

2016 salaries not release till next year.

I assume he was offered in the 300k range. He can make 3 times that if an EPL club really wants him.

 
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Dempsey, Bradley, Fab, Yedlin, and Guzan are the finalists for the US Soccer Male athlete of the year.

Yedlin?
He might win the best hair contest.
He has not had a very strong year at all (one could say this about the whole team I guess).

If they were looking to add a new name to the mix, I think Zardes has had a better 2015 than Yedlin, both on the field and with his hair :)

 
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I'd probably pick Dempsey, who did win the Golden Shoe at the Gold Cup, but it was a bad, bad year for US soccer. Yedlin did have some very productive super sub appearances for the Nats, even if he also had some disastrous appearances and no club resume to speak of.

 
I'd probably pick Dempsey, who did win the Golden Shoe at the Gold Cup, but it was a bad, bad year for US soccer. Yedlin did have some very productive super sub appearances for the Nats, even if he also had some disastrous appearances and no club resume to speak of.
totally agree, although I went with SF's Bradley pick only because... well- only because.

they should just snub the entire category and give the pick to two women. shambolically bad year for the USMNT and it's players. Wood and Morris might have had the best full year, IMO.

 
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http://americansoccernow.com/articles/kenny-saief-contemplating-switching-from-israel-to-u-s

“I knew from someone that the United States was scouting me,” Saief, 21, told American Soccer Now from Belgium. “If I get a call from the United States, I think I would probably play for them. Which team is better at football? I think the United States is better. They play almost every four years in the World Cup. As a footballer they are better, I think.”

This stance marks a shift from a statement he gave to Israeli media in February following the passing of his father, when he said his father had asked him to be patient and wait for an Israel call-up.

But in the interview with Sport5, Saief also expressed frustrationthat Israel—in a transitional phase after head coach Eli Guttman quit in October—had not called him up and said he has felt unappreciated as a result. Since emerging as a starter for Gent, the reigning Belgian champion, Saief may well have opened up another possibility with the U.S.

A U.S. Soccer spokesperson confirmed that the federation has monitored Saief's progress.

“At the end it's my decision,” Saief said. “If I would say that the best for me would be to go to the United States, for sure I would decide to go to the United States. I respect everything from my father and I loved him. Maybe he had his own plans for the future to be on the Israeli national team, but maybe I feel that I really can do it and be a national team player for the United States.”

 
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What position does he play? Have you seen him at all?
Article calls him an attacking midfielder. Haven't seen him play. Although I did see part of a Gent game in UCL.
I have seen one Gent game and he looked solid. No superstar but held his own at a young age.

I wrote a bit about him earlier in the thread

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?/topic/708312-us-mens-national-team-winter-of-discontent-or-rejuvenation/?p=18673184

 
It sounds like he's coming. I mean he's already talking about his dad wanting him to stay with Israel but I think he's laying the groundwork to move. I hope he's decent and doesn't take minutes from Mix who also played for Gent.

 
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Looks like the friendlies for January/Feb are set.

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The holiday season is upon us, which means January camp for the U.S. Men’s National Team is right around the corner. Now a long, annual tradition on the U.S. calendar, the MNT will convene at StubHub Center beginning Jan. 4 with the immediate goal of preparing for friendly matches against Euro 2016 qualifiers Iceland (Jan. 31) and CONCACAF foes Canada (Feb. 5).

 
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On the day of her farewell, U.S. women's national team star Abby Wambach called for U.S. coach Jurgen Klinsmann to be fired and blasted him for bringing in "a bunch of these foreign guys."

The top scorer (male or female) in international history made her comments on a Bill Simmons podcast published on Wednesday, adding that there are "too many egos in our men's program."

The 35-year-old Wambach, who helped the U.S. women to World Cup victory this past summer, plays her final game on Wednesday as the U.S. women face China in a friendly in New Orleans. In her time with the United States team, she's won virtually everything a soccer player can win, including two Olympic gold medals and the 2012 FIFA Women's Player of the Year, which she and Mia Hamm are the only Americans to win.

"I would definitely fire Jurgen [Klinsmann]. Sorry Sunil [Gulati], sorry, U.S. soccer, but I don't think Jurgen and this litmus test on him has worked. He hasn't really focused, I feel, enough attention on the youth programs. Although he says he has, I don't think that he has," Wambach told Simmons. "The way that he has brought in a bunch of these foreign guys is not something I believe in wholeheartedly. I don't believe in it. I don't believe in it in my heart.

"And I love Jermaine Jones, I love watching him play, and I love Fabian Johnson, and he plays in Germany and is actually killing it right now after being sent home for 'faking an injury.' But I just think that this experiment that U.S. Soccer has given Jurgen isn't one that personally I'm into. It's gotta be interesting for those guys to see their coach take off in a helicopter and fly home to his home and then back to training."

U.S. Soccer chief Gulati would not be baited by Wambach's comments.

"Abby has never been shy of speaking her mind, but today it's best to celebrate a wonderful career and character," he told ESPN's Julie Foudy.

Wambach, who has scored 184 goals in her career, was asked by Simmons what she would fix about the U.S. men's national team, and in response she was outspoken in her criticism of Klinsmann and discussed the pay gap for female athletes.

"It seems to me there are too many egos in our men's program right now, and the bigger ego of all of them is the one who is leading the charge," she said. "Ever since I announced my retirement, I have been able to have cool conversations and pick people's brains to figure out why there is such a disparity, not just in my sport but in other sports and other industries. There is there innate thing that women are less than, that women don't deserve to be treated fairly.

"I think that our society is pushing toward a place where we really start to look to each other as people and not put each other in these boxes. ... I feel the men get paid way more than the women in soccer, yeah, I understand logically the argument about the ratings and that is more global. But that doesn't mean that it makes it right. Equality isn't something that actually costs anything. I know we are talking about gender pay gap differences. But to treat someone fairly doesn't cost a single cent. It wouldn't cost anything, it would be just a decision. When you are in it, you don't want to fight too much against it because you want to be thankful for what you are getting."

Wambach also said that if she were to go into broadcasting, she would not hold back, saying she would fire away honestly and would go toe-to-toe with people like former U.S. star Alexi Lalas, Eric Wynalda and even Simmons.

Lalas posted a transcript of her men's team comments on the podcast to his Twitter feed and asked his fans to offer their opinions.

Love Abby Wambach's interesting, provocative and entertaining quotes. But curious to hear her definition of a "foreign" USNT player.

- Alexi Lalas (@AlexiLalas)

December 16, 2015Some Abby Wambach quotes about @J_Klinsmann & #USMNT as heard on @BillSimmons Podcast. https://t.co/iXmAED8EL1 pic.twitter.com/zvLPvxYc4u

- Alexi Lalas (@AlexiLalas)

December 16, 2015Wambach reflected on the state of youth soccer in the United States, the dangers of concussions and how the game can bring in more stars from within the country.

"The more money that soccer players can make in this country, you're gonna find our better athletes will be getting more involved in playing soccer," she said.

Klinsmann has been credited with playing a significant role in recruiting talented dual nationals to the United States and winning challenging friendlies in Europe -- the U.S. men's team beat the Netherlands and Germany earlier this year, for example -- and escaping from a difficult group at the 2014 World Cup in Brazil.

The German international has been taken to task for failing to lead the U.S. to victory in the CONCACAF Gold Cup, losing in the semifinals to Jamaica and then presiding over a Confederations Cup playoff loss to Mexico.

Under Klinsmann's watch, the amount of money spent on the men's U.S. program jumped from $9.9 million in 2010 to $19.7 million in 2014, according to U.S. Soccer financial reports.

Former U.S. men's team coach Bruce Arena echoed Wambach's comments about foreign-born players in a 2013 interview with ESPN The Magazine.

"Players on the national team should be American. If they're born in other countries, we aren't making progress," he said.

 
There is a lot one can blame on JK but Wambach is 100% wrong IMO, on blaming Klinsmann for the dual nationals. We have been using dual nationals consistently since the modern era started for US Soccer (1990).

Every coach has sought them out, from Bora all the way to JK.

I also don't buy the equal pay for equal work in an industry based on revenue generation but that is an argument for another thread.

 
The dual national issue has always left me scratching my head why it bothers so many people

1) Looking at Arena's comment, we are a melting pot and by definition we have a ton of people born in other countries. Just because Tab Ramos was born in Uruguay does not make him less American to me or similarly Jeff Agoos being born in Switzerland or Pablo born in Argentina. The complaint holds more weight for me when it is focuses on players who have never stepped foot in America but even then I am hard pressed to tell a US serviceman that his kid is not American just because he was born abroad.

2) We are FAR from the only country that does this. Small, medium and big (soccer related) countries all do this to some degree and we have even lost some players to other countries (most notably Rossi to Italy).

3) It would be one thing if 90% of the US team was dual nationals but that is not nor has it ever been the case. Dual nationals complement our domestic talent but they do not supersede them.

4) I don't think any of the dual nationals are holding back American based kids. Even JK who obviously is disenchanted with US players won't automatically play a dual national over them if they don't perform. I am sure any US coach would be more than happy to choose US based kids 100% of the time if they were good enough but we all know this is not really the case.

 
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[SIZE=medium]I wasn’t offended by her comments and think in some instances she was spot on. Fire Klinsmann? She is saying what many people think. Klinsmann hasn’t spent enough time with youth development? They youth teams have flamed out of every competition and that hinders development. I think Sunil giving him coaching and technical director was a big mistake as they are both demanding positions and no way can you do both at a high level. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Doesn’t like the foreign players? We all want to see a team with a roster full of players that are born and raised in the USA and I think that is what Abby was driving at. Klinsmann has a balancing act of fielding the best team(which will include non US born players) while as technical director he has to create better players. His non-stop recruiting of foreign players does prevent US born and bred players from getting opportunities. He gave Julian Green a spot on the World Cup roster at the expense of Donovan. How is Timmy Chandler an improvement over Evans, Ream or a host of other mediocre defenders? [/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]I think she could have said things a little better and her timing was suspect but the gist of the message is alright with me. [/SIZE]

 
I'm pretty disappointed in her after reading that.
She's always been way too outspoken. She's got amazing talent but her mouth is better served keeping her partner happy.
Her timing was awful. I never really mind outspoken, but all she did was take away from her day and add another layer of pressure on the men. Not very smart imo. She probably did it to get points with LAN and Fab. Stupid.
 
[SIZE=medium]I wasn’t offended by her comments and think in some instances she was spot on. Fire Klinsmann? She is saying what many people think. Klinsmann hasn’t spent enough time with youth development? They youth teams have flamed out of every competition and that hinders development. I think Sunil giving him coaching and technical director was a big mistake as they are both demanding positions and no way can you do both at a high level. [/SIZE]
I don't think anyone is bothered by these specific comments. Even the biggest JK supporter at this point concedes he is not really worth the money with the current group of players he has whether it is his fault or the players.

I think more people are concerned about her ability to define who and what an American is. I am a little offended by the "born" in the US comment myself. Our country got to where it is today because of immigrants. Hell, I would not be here today if my dad did not immigrate from Italy.

 
I think more people are concerned about her ability to define who and what an American is. I am a little offended by the "born" in the US comment myself. Our country got to where it is today because of immigrants. Hell, I would not be here today if my dad did not immigrate from Italy.
We can leave the debate about who and what is an American to another thread but I interpreted it as she wants the national team to have players that are born, bred and trained in the USA. As valuable as Fabian (or Dooley or Wegerle or Stewart etc.) are to the USMNT, their ability wasn't due to their development in the US youth system.

 
I think more people are concerned about her ability to define who and what an American is. I am a little offended by the "born" in the US comment myself. Our country got to where it is today because of immigrants. Hell, I would not be here today if my dad did not immigrate from Italy.
We can leave the debate about who and what is an American to another thread but I interpreted it as she wants the national team to have players that are born, bred and trained in the USA. As valuable as Fabian (or Dooley or Wegerle or Stewart etc.) are to the USMNT, their ability wasn't due to their development in the US youth system.
I agree with everything you wrote except the born part.

Just because some one was not born here, does not mean they were not developed here. We have many players through out our history who came to the US as kids and developed here. Should Nagbe really be ignored simply because he was not born here but instead moved here as a kid?

 
I think more people are concerned about her ability to define who and what an American is. I am a little offended by the "born" in the US comment myself. Our country got to where it is today because of immigrants. Hell, I would not be here today if my dad did not immigrate from Italy.
We can leave the debate about who and what is an American to another thread but I interpreted it as she wants the national team to have players that are born, bred and trained in the USA. As valuable as Fabian (or Dooley or Wegerle or Stewart etc.) are to the USMNT, their ability wasn't due to their development in the US youth system.
I agree with everything you wrote except the born part.

Just because some one was not born here, does not mean they were not developed here. We have many players through out our history who came to the US as kids and developed here. Should Nagbe really be ignored simply because he was not born here but instead moved here as a kid?
Good point on Nagbe, it isn't so much being born here as the majority of your youth is spent learning the game in the US.

 
Americans aren't the best dribblers/skillers. Our attackers can't beat defenders one on one. This is what is holding the US back imo. I'm fine with JK. To put it bluntly US players just aren't up to par compared to the bigger football countries.

 
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Americans aren't the best dribblers/skillers. Our attackers can't beat defenders one on one. This is what is holding the US back imo. I'm fine with JK. To put it bluntly US players just aren't up to par compared to the bigger football countries.
And this is very true also.
 
Klinsmann says Morris should forego senior year and turn pro.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2015/12/17/jurgen-klinsmann-jordan-morris-options-his-next-step-obviously-has-be-becoming

"He has to decide what is his next step. His next step obviously has to be becoming a professional," said Klinsmann."
he seems really reluctant. I hope there is an offer that makes him want to take the jump.
I would think after winning the College Cup that he'd be able to let go of his college soccer dreams and just jump in. He can always finish his stanford degree later.

 

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