US Men's National Team (7 Viewers)

[NewlyRetired]

####### Wondo played minutes in this game. Wondo!! 

Whatthemother####.

 Benny, Acosta and Dempsey were the 3 subs

 

[AAABatteries]

 Benny, Acosta and Dempsey were the 3 subs

He's rolling.*

*Rolling == drunk

 

[El Floppo]

I always wondered what would happen if a smaller state took the German or Belgium model and completely replicated it.  Don't worry about following US soccer, but just go Rogue. Have Bill Gates or someone from FBG fund it and lets see how one state could do with an Idaho Development Academy and an Idaho U20 etc... No more pay to play etc...  Yes, I know it'll never happen but I'd be curious.   

I think it has more to do that those smaller countries still live for soccer and we don't.  We have more kids and people who do than we used to, but not like a Belgium or Germany.

I'm not following closely, but China is spending a ton of money on soccer right now. snapping up top level talent for their league, and IIRC, pumping a ton of money and energy at developing their youth. 

anybody know more about what they're doing there... specifically with youth development?

 

[NewlyRetired]

we ideally need smaller pro clubs- MLS affiliated maybe (sorry NASL... :( )  to fill in the geographically holes between MLS sides. they can have academies that are linked to MLS. 

I'm spitballing.

it will be difficult financially.  MLS clubs have just recently had enough funds to start investing in academies.  I don't see how lower level clubs are going to be able to afford it, at least in the coming decade.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

####### Wondo played minutes in this game. Wondo!! 

Whatthemother####.

He didn't.

But literally the only thing in the world that could have made this thread explode more than it has tonight was if Wondo had come in and scored the game tying goal.

 

[ffldrew]

I'm not following closely, but China is spending a ton of money on soccer right now. snapping up top level talent for their league, and IIRC, pumping a ton of money and energy at developing their youth. 

anybody know more about what they're doing there... specifically with youth development?

Yea - play soccer well or make Apple iPhones locked up in a factory. MOTIVATION

 

[The Kansas Comet]

If I'm Chile I watch these 3 CONCACAF games and think WHAT. THE. ####.???

Seriously.  Chile is the back-to-back Copa America champs and they didn't even make the playoff.  Can't even call my dad (Chilean citizen) to ##### about this.  Going down to see him this weekend and I imagine we'll both be staring at the wall for much of the time, just wondering how this happened. 

 

[Sammy3469]

Yeah, that really is the part that I think holds us back.

Here in the US, parents let their kids play for "elite clubs" in an effort to save some $$ in tuition 5-10 years down the road.  When you consider the fact that men's D1 and D2 soccer programs only get 9 scholarships (which are almost certainly split among more than 9 guys in almost all cases) it makes the whole thing seem even sillier.

We're never going to get to the dog-eat-dog only the strong survive cutthroat environment of the European academies. Our culture wont allow it. "Become a super star or get the #### out. We dont care how many games little Johhny's U-12 team wins" will NEVER fly in this country.

I don't buy this at all.  You could easily subsidize regional "high schools" with centralized training regimes and have those kids either go into MLS or D1.  However the pay to play programs are too powerful right now.  

If course they just did away with Bradenton, so I'm not holding out much hope.

 

[Christo]

I'm not following closely, but China is spending a ton of money on soccer right now. snapping up top level talent for their league, and IIRC, pumping a ton of money and energy at developing their youth. 

anybody know more about what they're doing there... specifically with youth development?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0C9BC8PLbE

 

[El Floppo]

Yea - play soccer well or make Apple iPhones locked up in a factory. MOTIVATION

I"m not sure...but I don't think that's what they're doing for youth development.

 

[bagger]

####### Wondo played minutes in this game. Wondo!! 

Whatthemother####.

Saves money on buying those t shirt shooters to fire shirts into the crowd they can just roll them to him and let him do his thing.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Sam Borden‏Verified account @SamBorden

Just reached Jurgen Klinsmann by phone: "Yes, I watched, but I don't want to give any comments right now. It wouldn't be right."

 

[El Floppo]

Sam Borden‏Verified account @SamBorden

Just reached Jurgen Klinsmann by phone: "Yes, I watched, but I don't want to give any comments right now. It wouldn't be right. but I would like to say- #### you landon"

 

[Eephus]

I'm not following closely, but China is spending a ton of money on soccer right now. snapping up top level talent for their league, and IIRC, pumping a ton of money and energy at developing their youth. 

anybody know more about what they're doing there... specifically with youth development?

China also got 12 points and finished fifth in their AFC qualifying group.

 

[gianmarco]

 Benny, Acosta and Dempsey were the 3 subs

Sorry, I meant Jozy.

 

[El Floppo]

this has helped. 

but I can't believe WE LOST TO THE ####### TRINIDAD & TOBAGO B TEAM.

this is going to suck for a looong time. looooooooooooooooooong time.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Jermaine Jones‏Verified account @Jermainejunior

And everybody talked #### about Jürgen!!! Ridiculous stupid.... man I get too much!!! I feel sorry for the boys!

 

[El Floppo]

China also got 12 points and finished fifth in their AFC qualifying group.

sigh.

they just started putting money into this. it's been like literally 2 or 3 years.... IF that. but yeah... they should be doing better already.

 

[ffldrew]

it will be difficult financially.  MLS clubs have just recently had enough funds to start investing in academies.  I don't see how lower level clubs are going to be able to afford it, at least in the coming decade.

Rapids Academy is closer to a glorified pay to play program then a Euro-style Academy - not sure what it is elsewhere around the league. They have moved a couple of kids up to University of Denver and then to the club but I don't know that the program had a lot to do with the development since it was relatively new.

 

[NewlyRetired]

oh, I really don't like this comment from Sunil............

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Jeff Carlisle‏Verified account @JeffreyCarlisle

Gulati: “You don’t make wholesale changes on a ball being two inches wide or two inches in...We’ll look at everything.” #usmnt

 

[Christo]

oh, I really don't like this comment from Sunil............

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Jeff Carlisle‏Verified account @JeffreyCarlisle

Gulati: “You don’t make wholesale changes on a ball being two inches wide or two inches in...We’ll look at everything.” #usmnt

Uh, Sunil, your team got 12 points from 10 games and #### the bed in T&T.

 

[Eephus]

sigh.

they just started putting money into this. it's been like literally 2 or 3 years.... IF that. but yeah... they should be doing better already.

Uzbekistan is no pushover

ETA:  The Brazil of the steppes

 

[El Floppo]

jesus ####### christ.

the US are not playing in the world cup.

:(  

 

[gianmarco]

oh, I really don't like this comment from Sunil............

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Jeff Carlisle‏Verified account @JeffreyCarlisle

Gulati: “You don’t make wholesale changes on a ball being two inches wide or two inches in...We’ll look at everything.” #usmnt

What about 12 points from 10 games?

 

[Sammy3469]

oh, I really don't like this comment from Sunil............

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Jeff Carlisle‏Verified account @JeffreyCarlisle

Gulati: “You don’t make wholesale changes on a ball being two inches wide or two inches in...We’ll look at everything.” #usmnt

What is he going to say.  This is on his head as much as anyone.  

 

[Sammy3469]

jesus ####### christ.

the US are not playing in the world cup.

:(  

I still can't believe he didn't give Bradley any help.

 

[GROOT]

Always thought Bruce Arenas sucked.

 

[El Floppo]

come to think of it... what does gulati actually do, aside from PR and hiring coaches? 

that's a genuine question... I don't have the answer at all to it.

anybody?

he's the head of US Soccer... but what exactly does that mean?

 

[NewlyRetired]

What is he going to say.  This is on his head as much as anyone.  

Just say everything will be under review like he did at the end.  He should not reduce a struggle over ten games to the simplicity of one closely missed shot.

 

[gianmarco]

I keep seeing Howard chasing a ball outside the box and not a single defender in sight.

Tonight in a microcosm.

 

[Eephus]

anybody?

he's the head of US Soccer... but what exactly does that mean?

He has a very nice head of hair

 

[Eephus]

Just say everything will be under review like he did at the end.  He should not reduce a struggle over ten games to the simplicity of one closely missed shot.

The hex was a rollercoaster from start to finish.  There was never any consistent quality.

 

[GROOT]

Bruce Arenas is an idiot. All he need was a draw and he lined up with the same suicidally offensive formation as he did on Friday. What a ####### moron. Also didn't give any players rest between the two games. Should have ####### loaded up a three man midfield with McCarty, Bradley, and Bedoya or Acosta to gives us firm control of the game.

Seriously a child might have come up with a better tactical plan for that game. Just so embarrassing from Arenas, and he didn't take any of the blame in the press conference either.

 

[El Floppo]

Sunil can’t get fired right? He’s like a judge or something

He must resign, surely. I’ll forever call him Sepp Gulati if he doesn’t. (He won’t) 

I just saw him on Sunday. wish I had spit on his kids.

ok... this might have been a little harsh. 

beaten, yes- but spitting is a bit of a low blwo.

 

[Spartans Rule]

No it won't be a distant memory. It's a grim reality check about how little progress has been made over the last 25 years. A quarter century has passed since the '94 WC and we end up with a team that can't even tie the worst team in the Hex with everything on the line. What will the next 25 years bring? Probably more of the same. 

Yes and no.

I think we've made a lot of progress, but soccer is a high-variance sport, and international tournaments are sporadic. Progress will not be linear. There will be lots of ups and downs.

The reality is we're not as good as we think we are when we get out of the World Cup group stage, and we're not as bad as we think we are tonight.

I've always thought where Americans lack perspective is how many countries there are that are at a similar level to us or not far behind. The world is deep. We'd be very ordinary if we were in CONMEBOL or UEFA, and we'd be no lock to qualify for the WC out of Africa or Asia either.

 

[bud29]

Tough loss but unfair for us to play both Trinidad and Tobago at the same time IMO

 

[El Floppo]

I might still be too pissed off to go to sleep. 

dammit. 

as much anxiety, gnashing of teeth and rending of hair the US would've likely produced during the world cup... at least... #### it. what a ####### colossal embarrassing disaster.

 

[NewlyRetired]

So which players does this tarnish the most do you think?   

I feel like Howard and Dempsey get a pass for age(it is not there fault no one younger than them kept them out of games), as does Pulisic get a pass for age (well that and the fact that he was really really good overall of course).

I feel like Bradley and Jozy are the two whose legacy will be the most tarnished from this.

 

[El Floppo]

Jermaine Jones‏Verified account @Jermainejunior

And everybody talked #### about Jürgen!!! Ridiculous stupid.... man I get too much!!! I feel sorry for the boys!

the sad reality is yeah- caillou slowed down too much and there was nobody to replace him. but there was also nobody to replace jermany- and dammit, he brought exactly what needed replacing from this sorry pitiful lot.

 

[Capella]

So which players does this tarnish the most do you think?   

I feel like Howard and Dempsey get a pass for age(it is not there fault no one younger than them kept them out of games), as does Pulisic get a pass for age (well that and the fact that he was really really good overall of course).

I feel like Bradley and Jozy are the two whose legacy will be the most tarnished from this.

Sounds about right. 

I'm cool with never seeing Bradley play again, anywhere. I can't stand him. 

 

[NewlyRetired]

The reality is we're not as good as we think we are when we get out of the World Cup group stage, and we're not as bad as we think we are tonight.

I've always thought where Americans lack perspective is how many countries there are that are at a similar level to us or not far behind. The world is deep. We'd be very ordinary if we were in CONMEBOL or UEFA, and we'd be no lock to qualify for the WC out of Africa or Asia either.

It is impossible for most to fully appreciate this post in our current state but I think it is 100% true. 

 

[bagger]

Sounds about right. 

I'm cool with never seeing Bradley play again, anywhere. I can't stand him

the sad reality is yeah- caillou slowed down too much and there was nobody to replace him. but there was also nobody to replace jermany- and dammit, he brought exactly what needed replacing from this sorry pitiful lot.

Yeah I have thought a few times having jones out there for some fire would be needed when pulisic was getting hacked. This was a game where he could have hopefully done something to get everyone fired up.

 

[gianmarco]

I mean, one could argue that Argentina almost missed the World Cup if not for tonight and they are a powerhouse with arguably the world's best player, so these things happen to good teams as well.

Then again, they didn't lose to T&T tonight either, so nevermind.

 

[El Floppo]

So which players does this tarnish the most do you think?   

I feel like Howard and Dempsey get a pass for age(it is not there fault no one younger than them kept them out of games), as does Pulisic get a pass for age (well that and the fact that he was really really good overall of course).

I feel like Bradley and Jozy are the two whose legacy will be the most tarnished from this.

yeah... Jozy for sure- he didn't really even get to play in the last WC.

I'd add Cameron. didn't even get on the field for this crap. and will likely/hopefully be too old for the next one.

and sadly Nagbe. at least in my eyes. I've been a really big fan of his willing to gloss over so many of his deficits that you guys didn't. but just couldn't stand watching him watch the play happen defensively these last two games- not reading the runs, not reading the second ball, not reading the need for cover as the second defender or to pinch in and provide weakside help to caillou. and then on the ball- so slow. so many touches before doing whatever it was that he did. ugh. him more than anybody else I think for me.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Yeah I have thought a few times having jones out there for some fire would be needed when pulisic was getting hacked. This was a game where he could have hopefully done something to get everyone fired up.

again the age thing pops up. 

We relied on too many old players this cycle and either through both coaches lack of confidence or through lack of quality, we had no like for like replacements.

A younger version of Howard, Dempsey and Jones, and this team is in a much better spot IMO.

 

[El Floppo]

I mean, one could argue that Argentina almost missed the World Cup if not for tonight and they are a powerhouse with arguably the world's best player, so these things happen to good teams as well.

Then again, they didn't lose to T&T tonight either, so nevermind.

THE FIELD WAS WET AND BUMPY

 

[Eephus]

again the age thing pops up. 

We relied on too many old players this cycle and either through both coaches lack of confidence or through lack of quality, we had no like for like replacements.

It's a circular argument.  While there was some new blood, there were a lot of familiar but older faces who just weren't as good this go around.  I guess we just reached this crossroads nine months sooner that anybody expected.

 

[ffldrew]

Yeah I have thought a few times having jones out there for some fire would be needed when pulisic was getting hacked. This was a game where he could have hopefully done something to get everyone fired up.

Good chance jones would have been ineligible from yellow card accumulation and wouldn't have been out there

 

[Capella]

I mean, one could argue that Argentina almost missed the World Cup if not for tonight and they are a powerhouse with arguably the world's best player, so these things happen to good teams as well.

Then again, they didn't lose to T&T tonight either, so nevermind.

Yea, Chile and the Dutch too. Both far better teams than us. Who are we to complain. 

 

[El Floppo]

again the age thing pops up. 

We relied on too many old players this cycle and either through both coaches lack of confidence or through lack of quality, we had no like for like replacements.

A younger version of Howard, Dempsey and Jones, and this team is in a much better spot IMO.

and caillou. the guy is a quality pro with an endless motor, fantastic feel for the game and decent skills. remember how much ground he'd cover up and down the field? but he became beckerman... and without a younger caillou next to him to cover up his deficiencies.