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US Men's National Team (16 Viewers)

it's extra fun how when the camera eventually catches up with the ball, it's a complete surprise- who has it? what are they doing with it? lends an air of mystery and hidden excitement to the broadcast. add in rongrens relentless drone- money.

 
Benny continuing to light every bridge he can find on fire :)

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Benny Feilhaber ✔@b_feilhaber22

Oh weird?! @SachaKljestan is good?!

 
One of Rongen finer moments last night

".........Anthony Brooks, who was discovered well before JK {patting himself on back}........... and we have a kid who has started every EPL game.....Cam....Cam.....Cameron Carter Vicks..........."

Best I can tell is he might have been talking about Gooch.

 
NewlyRetired said:
I can't remember if they mentioned this on the telecast last night but Pulisic became the youngest American to ever score in a WCQier.
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they did.

Guat were down 2-1 and then down a man with a red card... and STILL came back with el roachadito's second.

atomic apocalypse... just Ruiz left afterwards, scoring goals.

 
El Floppo said:
they did.

Guat were down 2-1 and then down a man with a red card... and STILL came back with el roachadito's second.

atomic apocalypse... just Ruiz left afterwards, scoring goals.
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This may have gotten lost in the barrage of messages but Ruiz passed CRo as the highest scoring active player in international soccer.

This comes with Keane's retirement....

Top 4 active in order are

Ruiz, CRo, Messi, Rooney

Yeah........one does not belong...........lol

 
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@The Gator probably knows better but I think this journalist is pretty close to all things Liverpool and tends to have solid information

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Anfield HQ


Liverpool are planning to follow up their interest in Mahmoud Dahoud and Christian Pulisic in future transfer windows. #lfc (James Pearce)
 
Yeah, Pearce is a great source. He was the first to report that the Pulisic wouldn't be done this summer when others said it could still happen. 

He's still only as good as the info he gets, but he seems to vet his info better than others.

 
some interesting comments from JK.  Sounds like he might be interested in sticking around past 2018.

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ESPN FC: Do you want to coach this team beyond Russia in 2018?

KLINSMANN: That depends on the results. It depends on how things develop over the next two years. There's no hurry to decide anything on either side, between [U.S. Soccer president] Sunil [Gulati] and myself. But I think if you are now five years in this position and you see certain things developing, not only with the senior team, but we build a complete new infrastructure of all the youth national teams at all age levels. We are making big strides in coaches' education. We're trying everywhere to kind of step it up.

The federation tries big time to step it up in all different fields. Younger players that I saw in youth camps five years ago -- U15, U14 -- they are suddenly pros. I see them popping up, one at Villarreal, one at Fiorentina, one at Schalke. I see [Christian] Pulisic when he was 15 playing at Bradenton playing the Nike Friendlies. It's just nice to see now that all this nurturing, talking to parents, talking to the players, talking to the clubs and trying to pull the strings together with the youth national team coaches ... that is a lot of work for [coach of the U.S. U20 team] Tab Ramos, who is my connector [to the youth setup]. That is why he is always with me here because here we talk at least one or two hours a day about the youth side. Who is next? What happens to them? Who is signing where? Who needs help?

I think that over the past couple of years, we've made huge strides. We can still be much better, there's still an awful lot of work everywhere in soccer in the country but we started connecting with the college system. They're trying to come out of their shell. They're pushing a 10-month season. We had the first college U23 national team camp. We've tried to connect to 10-12 Division I coaches on a regular basis. We're building the network. So there is a lot of stuff happening in the background that isn't part of World Cup qualifying or Copa America, but it's enjoyable to do.

 
NewlyRetired said:
@The Gator probably knows better but I think this journalist is pretty close to all things Liverpool and tends to have solid information

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Anfield HQ


Liverpool are planning to follow up their interest in Mahmoud Dahoud and Christian Pulisic in future transfer windows. #lfc (James Pearce)
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[softball]

Seems like Pulisic could do better than a mid-table EPL team.

[/softball]

 
I am firmly convinced that collegiate soccer is holding the USMNT back, and has for the past 50 years.

That said, I think it's probably been good for players, who would have gotten chewed up and spit out of club youth systems without much education or chance for success outside of college.

 
The Z Machine said:
I am firmly convinced that collegiate soccer is holding the USMNT back, and has for the past 50 years.

That said, I think it's probably been good for players, who would have gotten chewed up and spit out of club youth systems without much education or chance for success outside of college.
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You can see the sea of change coming though just in the most recent roster.

Horvath, Stanko, Pulisic, Jozy, Rubin, Arriola, Bradley, Howard, Orozco, Acosta and Wood never went to college.

Yedlin only went one year.

Jermaine and Fab no college either via growing up in Germany.

With the non stop flow of kids into MLS academies and being seeded all over Europe and Mexico, it would not shock me that by 2022 we might be 75% non college and by 2026, 100% non college.

 
NewlyRetired said:
The Z Machine said:
I am firmly convinced that collegiate soccer is holding the USMNT back, and has for the past 50 years.

That said, I think it's probably been good for players, who would have gotten chewed up and spit out of club youth systems without much education or chance for success outside of college.
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You can see the sea of change coming though just in the most recent roster.

Horvath, Stanko, Pulisic, Jozy, Rubin, Arriola, Bradley, Howard, Orozco, Acosta and Wood never went to college.

Yedlin only went one year.

Jermaine and Fab no college either via growing up in Germany.

With the non stop flow of kids into MLS academies and being seeded all over Europe and Mexico, it would not shock me that by 2022 we might be 75% non college and by 2026, 100% non college.
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agree with andy's comments above. hopefully college soccer will make a change and allow for a longer season- otherwise, it's kind of pointless playing from Sep-beginning of Nov. and I say hopefully, because you can look at US baseball players as potential predecessor for this... a lot of talented kids graduate HS and go pro (minor leagues) but never make it. then they're left with no education and no skills outside of baseball. but yeah... I guess the sport profits at their expense, so as long as the USMNT develops.. fine.

but Z's hyperbolic "held back the USMNT for 50 years" is... well... hyperbole. when andy and I finished college- there wasn't a professional league... there were hodge-podge metropolitan leagues, a couple of indoor leagues and that was about that . where was the US supposed to draw players from? there's a reason the breakthrough teams of the early 90s were essentially college kids- because that's all there was. and they still pushed US soccer forward into our modern program.

 
JK with his thoughts on why Pulisic may not start on Tuesday

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"Starting [Pulisic] is also questioning how long can he actually go, because we don't know,” Klinsmann said shortly after, in 24 minutes of play, Pulisic scored two goals and assisted in Friday’s 6-0 win over St. Vincent and the Grenadines. “He's barely started [in] preseason, he hasn't had any games. So we start him and suddenly he starts cramping up at 60 minutes because his legs aren't built yet and you have only three subs. So these are kind of important things."

 
@Ted Lange as your Bartender I saw that 18 year old Auston Trusty made the bench for the Union last night.  I know he just signed last month so this must be a good sign right?

I feel like I should know more about this player with his time on the US youth national teams but I seem to be drawing a blank.

 
El Floppo said:
but Z's hyperbolic "held back the USMNT for 50 years" is... well... hyperbole. when andy and I finished college- there wasn't a professional league... there were hodge-podge metropolitan leagues, a couple of indoor leagues and that was about that . where was the US supposed to draw players from? there's a reason the breakthrough teams of the early 90s were essentially college kids- because that's all there was. and they still pushed US soccer forward into our modern program.
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With a country our size, college may still have a small say in the future of the US National team.

Even with 20 US academies running at full steam and kids playing all over the world, I think there are always going to be limited cases of players who develop later due to either physical or mental maturity issues or just simply being over looked by the wrong set of coaches growing up.

As an aside, @El Floppo would you have loved this new extended college season they are proposing as much as I would have?  We played nearly 3 games every week to sneak in a full season and the NCAA's during the fall and then the NCAA's could be in some very poor weather.  Spreading the games through the fall and spring should make for a much nicer format and allow all playoffs to be in the good weather of May.

 
El Floppo said:
 there's a reason the breakthrough teams of the early 90s were essentially college kids- because that's all there was. and they still pushed US soccer forward into our modern program.
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It is ironic to think that Mexico was such an important catalyst in how modern soccer was formed in the US.  This string of improbable events is scary:

*Mexico gets caught sending over age players to a youth tournament and is banned from WC1990

*US has multiple strange scenario's occur during qualifying (this is a story all its own) to eventually get to Italy 90

*US getting to Italy gives just enough attention to program to keep the sponsorship in the sport alive. 

*The sponsorship potential gives FIFA the impetus to instead of pulling WC1994 from the US(which is what they originally wanted to do), they "fix" the US Soccer presidential election to get the unknown Rothenberg elected

*Rothenberg then leads the most financially successful WC to date bringing soccer out of the shadows in the US

*MLS then launches on the back of the WC success

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It always makes me wonder, what happens if Mexico does not cheat.......................?

 
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NewlyRetired said:
@Ted Lange as your Bartender I saw that 18 year old Auston Trusty made the bench for the Union last night.  I know he just signed last month so this must be a good sign right?

I feel like I should know more about this player with his time on the US youth national teams but I seem to be drawing a blank.
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Certainly not a bad sign but in this case it was more out of necessity than anything.

Josh Yaro was unavailable last night as his mother just passed away.  Mo Edu is (finally) playing his first game of the season today for Bethlehem Steel.  And their other CB, Anderson....well he kind of sucks.  So the only CB left on the roster at  this point is Trusty so he made the 18 by default.

I haven't seen him play but from all accounts he was a very promising player for Steel at a young age.  He's a big CB at 6'3" and has around 10 caps for the various US youth national teams.

 
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Emo started for Bornemouth yesterday against Milan and from twitter comments the reviews were very high of his performance

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Weston McKennie registerd a goal and an assist in his first U19 friendly for Schalke

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Bremen had a friendly yesterday and won 8-1 and Bacon had 5 goals.

 
NewlyRetired said:
It is ironic to think that Mexico was such an important catalyst in how modern soccer was formed in the US.  This string of improbable events is scary:

*Mexico gets caught sending over age players to a youth tournament and is banned from WC1990

*US has multiple strange scenario's occur during qualifying (this is a story all its own) to eventually get to Italy 90

*US getting to Italy gives just enough attention to program to keep the sponsorship in the sport alive. 

*The sponsorship potential gives FIFA the impetus to instead of pulling WC1994 from the US(which is what they originally wanted to do), they "fix" the US Soccer presidential election to get the unknown Rothenberg elected

*Rothenberg then leads the most financially successful WC to date bringing soccer out of the shadows in the US

*MLS then launches on the back of the WC success

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It always makes me wonder, what happens if Mexico does not cheat.......................?
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Great stuff here.  I never even knew FIFA considered pulling the WC from US. 

Viva La Mexico!

 
NewlyRetired said:
Emo started for Bornemouth yesterday against Milan and from twitter comments the reviews were very high of his performance

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Weston McKennie registerd a goal and an assist in his first U19 friendly for Schalke

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Bremen had a friendly yesterday and won 8-1 and Bacon had 5 goals.
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Wait a sec... bacon had 5 goals?!

Nice to hear about hyndeman, 

 
Kafka said:
Great stuff here.  I never even knew FIFA considered pulling the WC from US. 

Viva La Mexico!
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In the very early 90's, US Soccer was the equivalent of a mom and pop shop.  Very little money and even less expertise and professionalism.

The US being awarded the WC was seen with almost as much disdain as Qatar has been.

When FIFA saw how little progress was being made they had two choices, pull the WC or fix the US election with someone they thought could actually make a difference.

One of the reasons the US was awarded the WC was that the US did a fantastic job with the Olympics in 1984.

The man who ran soccer in the Olympics was Alan Rothenberg.

Fifa approached Rothenberg, who had nothing to do with soccer since the Olympics and convinced him to run for president with their full "backing"

 
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