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US Men's National Team (8 Viewers)

Ok... Unimpressed by: Haji, Quinn, Harriel.

White didn't get much of a chance, but won every ball hit to him, and fed them off to US players... Deserves more looks.
I mean, why not?

I thought Richards played pretty well. Freeman was uneven. I was expecting more out of him. Adam was OK but did misshit some passes.

The US goalie. I hadn't seen him before. Looked very comfortable with the ball at his feet and could move it around the back pretty well. The left back Arfsten did not impress and neither did De la Torre.
Agree Freemen was a bit uneven. Hesitant getting himself forward, but as I mentioned had Luna and Tillman making a lot of runs into those right channels. But I expected LESS not more from him. A guy coming into his profession game playing against a high level team for his first cap... Did everything he needed to do defensively. And while he didn't light it up going forward, I appreciated that he played quick, smart passes instead of standing on it or losing. It.
He played a few dumb passes and if I were opposition I'd hound him when on the ball. He is obviously not Sergiño as he doesn't seem to have elite change of direction or dribbling. But his touch and positioning are light years better than Yedlin at this age and better than Jedi too, so that bodes well.
I have no idea how old he is.

I think everybody on the field had bad passes, and tbh... I don't recall any of his getting the US into trouble.

I did see some subtle things with his positioning that need improvement, but made up for with his 1v1 defending.

I liked seeing him turn his player at the end when the team needed the ball upfield. Also liked seeing him make a giant sprint down field on the attack to get another body forward.

I didn't mind Arf tbh. Liked him enough that I wanted to see him do even more on the ball. Defended decently, positioned decently and looked more comfortable in the ball than Freeman.

The little I saw of Harrminan was almost all stuff I didn't like on both sides of the ball.
 
So... Jedi, McKenzie, Richards, Dest back line.... Adams, McKennie, Tillman midfield.... Pulisic, Balogun, Weah front line....

This the expected line up next June at this point? Who has a shot of taking one of these spots if everyone is healthy? And we're not gonna talk about GKers, because that's completely up for grabs.
I think that is almost the exact starting line up we will see next summer, with obviously the huge assumption that everyone is healthy, which is extraordinarily unlikely.

Probably CB (opposite Richard’s) and striker are the two spots where we might see something different. Pepi was flying before the injury. We need to watch him closely next season. I can’t point to another Cb that is obvious because we have like 7 others that are roughly similar in quality.

What type of Weston we get is also a huge variable even if healthy.

I think if you only change out the FB’s today for Dest and Jedi, the US wins this game even with so many missing players.
 
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Goalkeeping was fine. First one obviously wasn't his fault and the entire defense was running around like 4 year olds on the 2nd one. Ok with the ball but lets be honest.....we're hopefully just killing him until Kochen can get ready and get some game time.

Miles was Miles. He is what he is at this point. Richards and Mckenzie should probably be the starters a year from now. Freeman was more than fine for a debut against a decent side and I actually liked what I saw from Aarfsten other than the lack of finishing. He looked pretty confident with the ball at his feet attacking guys.

Johnny was obviously awful and deserved to be yanked. Not a big fan. Luca was fine but again....he just kinda is what he is. His effort is good. He constantly shows for the ball. But he's small and weak and not that fast. And when teams try to crowd him he doesn't have the ability to make them pay. Tillman continues to underwhelm with the national team. No way I've got him penciled in as a starter right now.

Luna does a lot of good stuff. Effort is great. Sticks his nose in. Has the Dempsey "tries ****" trait. Obviously want to see more, but he's in the mix for a roster spot IMO. Great goal by Mcglynn but he made some bad decisions after that.

Agyemang just seems like a lesser but obviously much healthier Dike. Runs hard. Throws his size around. But he's not a national team level forward.

We know what Adams brings. But as discussed, he's not positive enough IMO. That works fine in the EPL (where he's not the best player on the field, so he can just do what he does well) and when he's got the full group around him. But in this game, coming in down a goal with a B side around him he has to be more pro-active and aggressive.

Didnt see enough of Harriel to make any judgement. I'm guessing White is just another in a long line of poor-man's Wondos who get a call up due to scoring in MLS but will never succeed at this level. Haji is Haji. Big strong guy who will run into the occasional goal...but overall just not quite good enough.

Sullivan very meh. No reason to play him over either Aaronson in the tournament.


Overall they did some good things in the 2nd half. But no goal is no goals. Caught Turkey YAY with their pants down in the opening minute and then couldn't score again.
 
I feel we have a bunch of MFs now who have some kind of elite skill set in their bag and then a ton of questions about the other stuff. Adams is an elite ball winner who can really read the game. There was a time when if Jack McGlynn had been named Jacobo Maguino, he'd be spraying passes for Juventus surrounded by a bunch of ball-winners around him. His left foot is absurd. Musah has that Nagbe shuttling superpower. And Adams is the only one I'm sure we can get away with starting.

Weston is by and away our most complete midfielder but his inconsistency is almost legendary at this point. He literally ranges from a guy who looks like one of the best midfielders in Serie A, to a guy Juventus does not even let practice with the main team (and this has happened in consecutive years).

It is really hard to build around that level of inconsistency.
 
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I feel we have a bunch of MFs now who have some kind of elite skill set in their bag and then a ton of questions about the other stuff. Adams is an elite ball winner who can really read the game. There was a time when if Jack McGlynn had been named Jacobo Maguino, he'd be spraying passes for Juventus surrounded by a bunch of ball-winners around him. His left foot is absurd. Musah has that Nagbe shuttling superpower. And Adams is the only one I'm sure we can get away with starting.

Weston is by and away our most complete midfielder but he inconsistency is almost legendary at this point. He literally ranges from a guy who looks like one of the best midfielders in Serie A, to a guy Juventus does not even let practice with the main team (and this has happened in consecutive years).

It is really hard to build around that level of inconsistency.
It's a shame I already had the "Good Serginho/Bad Serginho" shtick because it applies more to Wes. I feel like he's been in the system for what, 7 years? And I still can't decide if he's a good player. Even the stuff I'm certain he's "good" at comes and goes. It feels like he can go five or six games without winning a header. And I KNOW he's a beast in the air.
 
I feel we have a bunch of MFs now who have some kind of elite skill set in their bag and then a ton of questions about the other stuff. Adams is an elite ball winner who can really read the game. There was a time when if Jack McGlynn had been named Jacobo Maguino, he'd be spraying passes for Juventus surrounded by a bunch of ball-winners around him. His left foot is absurd. Musah has that Nagbe shuttling superpower. And Adams is the only one I'm sure we can get away with starting.

Weston is by and away our most complete midfielder but he inconsistency is almost legendary at this point. He literally ranges from a guy who looks like one of the best midfielders in Serie A, to a guy Juventus does not even let practice with the main team (and this has happened in consecutive years).

It is really hard to build around that level of inconsistency.
It's a shame I already had the "Good Serginho/Bad Serginho" shtick because it applies more to Wes. I feel like he's been in the system for what, 7 years? And I still can't decide if he's a good player. Even the stuff I'm certain he's "good" at comes and goes. It feels like he can go five or six games without winning a header. And I KNOW he's a beast in the air.
Funny thing is I was always more of meh on Weston until I went to a game. He was absotely the best player on the field that day and made it look easy. Along with his pissing off the other team during the process most games I became a fan.

I just can't see anyone taking his spot next summer unless he loses his spot in Juve for being lazy again.
 
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Mauricio Pochettino is the first U.S. coach with a three-game losing streak in his first 10 games since Manfred Schellscheidt in 1975.
 
How would you guys approach the rest of the summer?

* Continue to mix and match and give as much playing time as possible to the whole roster to maybe uncover 1 or 2 players that could help the full team

or

* Play what you think is your best 11 to start every game in the hopes to get out of this death roll?
 
I don't really disagree with him here. We have seen significantly worse performances than what we saw yesterday.

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Poch:

"The performance was good. We faced a team like Turkey, which is a very good team with the experienced players at the top. This group of players after playing together for the first time, I think we started the game so well. We played 20 minutes at a high level. We did very good things, very good things."

"It had an emotional impact when we conceded after we scored in the second minute, after we conceded the first, we conceded the second goal and that was difficult. I am really sad because I think this group of players are working so hard and I think we deserved a better result today. But if we go to only focus on the performance, I think we perform really well and now we can be focused on how we can improve on the situation and be focused only on game situations."
 
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How would you guys approach the rest of the summer?

* Continue to mix and match and give as much playing time as possible to the whole roster to maybe uncover 1 or 2 players that could help the full team

or

* Play what you think is your best 11 to start every game in the hopes to get out of this death roll?
I think there won't be much of a difference tbh. But I vote for the first option... Without the core of starters, there's no need to build anything from this other than getting guys minute and seeing what they can do.
 
Someone at The Athletic doesn't know how to read the room....

Can you please post it so I don't have to agree to their invasion of privacy terms?

They listed johnny as a "player who could steal the show" at the world cup....alongside like the 9 best young players on the planet
 
Someone at The Athletic doesn't know how to read the room....

Can you please post it so I don't have to agree to their invasion of privacy terms?

They listed johnny as a "player who could steal the show" at the world cup....alongside like the 9 best young players on the planet
Johnny Damon?

I think the US player that will make the most noise will be Timmy.

Balo is the player I hope will.
 
Someone at The Athletic doesn't know how to read the room....

Can you please post it so I don't have to agree to their invasion of privacy terms?

They listed johnny as a "player who could steal the show" at the world cup....alongside like the 9 best young players on the planet
God I hope that article was written before the game. LOL.

While that is obviously written to appeal to American fans, the funny thing is it's not ALL that terrible if you're just looking at the club numbers. Johnny was one of the best young defensive midfielders in Europe this year. The stats seem to say exactly that. It just has never shown up in a US jersey and I don't know why.
 
Someone at The Athletic doesn't know how to read the room....

Can you please post it so I don't have to agree to their invasion of privacy terms?

They listed johnny as a "player who could steal the show" at the world cup....alongside like the 9 best young players on the planet
God I hope that article was written before the game. LOL.

While that is obviously written to appeal to American fans, the funny thing is it's not ALL that terrible if you're just looking at the club numbers. Johnny was one of the best young defensive midfielders in Europe this year. The stats seem to say exactly that. It just has never shown up in a US jersey and I don't know why.
having Isco nearby helps. and whoever his partner in the MF at Betis is- that guy busts his *** and with quality. Johnny had LDLT over the weekend.

I still don't get it. but he's doing something- again- off camera that must really work. because what he does ON camera... is fine, I guess.
 
The most likely US World Cup hero, IMO, or the guy who I think could get hot enough to score four goals or so in a tournament, is Pepi. He’s the guy who has that Klose-like ability to sniff out goals even in games where he doesn’t play great. I still don’t think the US will be much better than average, but if they were to manage a QF run, I’d bet it would be because he had a big tournament.
 
Donovan is getting eviscerated in social media, and rightly so, after he went off on the US players for sitting out the Gold Cup while incredibly ignoring the fact that he took a sabbatical from the team for an entire year when he played.

Dempsey can throw shade here, Landon can not.
One thing I've noticed since he became a pundit.... Thank God Donovan was blessed with athletic ability, because he has a brain the size of a peanut.
 
The most likely US World Cup hero, IMO, or the guy who I think could get hot enough to score four goals or so in a tournament, is Pepi. He’s the guy who has that Klose-like ability to sniff out goals even in games where he doesn’t play great. I still don’t think the US will be much better than average, but if they were to manage a QF run, I’d bet it would be because he had a big tournament.
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i had compltely forgotten about Pepi. Good call.
 
So... Jedi, McKenzie, Richards, Dest back line.... Adams, McKennie, Tillman midfield.... Pulisic, Balogun, Weah front line....

This the expected line up next June at this point? Who has a shot of taking one of these spots if everyone is healthy? And we're not gonna talk about GKers, because that's completely up for grabs.
Tillman?
Where is he playing? May need to watch him a bit during National Team matches.
 
Donovan is getting eviscerated in social media, and rightly so, after he went off on the US players for sitting out the Gold Cup while incredibly ignoring the fact that he took a sabbatical from the team for an entire year when he played.

Dempsey can throw shade here, Landon can not.
We were talking about this yesterday as well. LD using Ronaldo's passion to rip the US players. If I remember the reports correctly, LD didn't get permission then came back expecting to be a part of the WC. Reports on CP are that he had discussions with Milan and Poch and got the OK.

I actually wanted to ask Klinsmann about all this at Sunday League but never felt like it was appropriate to do. Ha. He moved up to the O55s now so I don't see him as often. LD and Howard have a podcast and I keep catching snippets of it and they seem to both be anti JK. I never felt Howard was before, but he seems to be. Or maybe catering to LD? Sadly I liked Howard so this is disappointing.
 
Tillman?
Where is he playing? May need to watch him a bit during National Team matches.
Are you asking about club or position?

If asking about club, he plays for PSV. He had a fantastic season for them.

He was the WhoScored player of the year across the entire Eredivisie. He has been linked to both Chelsea and Aston Villa amongst many many other teams. He is probably the most sought after US player this summer.
 
So... Jedi, McKenzie, Richards, Dest back line.... Adams, McKennie, Tillman midfield.... Pulisic, Balogun, Weah front line....

This the expected line up next June at this point? Who has a shot of taking one of these spots if everyone is healthy? And we're not gonna talk about GKers, because that's completely up for grabs.
Tillman?
Where is he playing? May need to watch him a bit during National Team matches.
Are you asking about club? He plays for PSV. He had a fantastic season for them.

He was the WhoScored player of the year across the entire Eredivisie. He has been linked to both Chelsea and Aston Villa amongst many many other teams. He is probably the most sought after US player this summer.
I assume he was asking about position.

that's the million dollar question. he's played as the 10 and a wing for PSV.
 
I assume he was asking about position.

that's the million dollar question. he's played as the 10 and a wing for PSV.
One item that I liked from the Turkey game was his activity level on the defensive side. We know he has the goods on the offensive side of the ball, but if he is going to play in the midfield, it is important he engages more often.

We can barely support McGlynn as a one sided player, we can't support two.
 
I assume he was asking about position.

that's the million dollar question. he's played as the 10 and a wing for PSV.
One item that I liked from the Turkey game was his activity level on the defensive side. We know he has the goods on the offensive side of the ball, but if he is going to play in the midfield, it is important he engages more often.

We can barely support McGlynn as a one sided player, we can't support two.
I've seen his individual defensive ability quite a bit- physical, quick, active. the problem is that it's just not positionally asked from him for PSV, so his proactive, team tactical understanding defensively is a big question mark for me. but yeah- chasing down a player, winning a ball back, going in for a tackle or just disrupting soemthing... I like what I've seen.
 
So... Jedi, McKenzie, Richards, Dest back line.... Adams, McKennie, Tillman midfield.... Pulisic, Balogun, Weah front line....

This the expected line up next June at this point? Who has a shot of taking one of these spots if everyone is healthy? And we're not gonna talk about GKers, because that's completely up for grabs.
Tillman?
Where is he playing? May need to watch him a bit during National Team matches.
Are you asking about club? He plays for PSV. He had a fantastic season for them.

He was the WhoScored player of the year across the entire Eredivisie. He has been linked to both Chelsea and Aston Villa amongst many many other teams. He is probably the most sought after US player this summer.
I assume he was asking about position.

that's the million dollar question. he's played as the 10 and a wing for PSV.
Club. Since it was noted midfield in the original post, plus organized like a 4-3-3, I assumed he was a MF. Thanks to you both for answering both either way.

I'll be sure to watch more of him. Hopefully he can be what Gio was supposed to be.
 
So... Jedi, McKenzie, Richards, Dest back line.... Adams, McKennie, Tillman midfield.... Pulisic, Balogun, Weah front line....

This the expected line up next June at this point? Who has a shot of taking one of these spots if everyone is healthy? And we're not gonna talk about GKers, because that's completely up for grabs.
Tillman?
Where is he playing? May need to watch him a bit during National Team matches.
Are you asking about club? He plays for PSV. He had a fantastic season for them.

He was the WhoScored player of the year across the entire Eredivisie. He has been linked to both Chelsea and Aston Villa amongst many many other teams. He is probably the most sought after US player this summer.
I assume he was asking about position.

that's the million dollar question. he's played as the 10 and a wing for PSV.
Club. Since it was noted midfield in the original post, plus organized like a 4-3-3, I assumed he was a MF. Thanks to you both for answering both either way.

I'll be sure to watch more of him. Hopefully he can be what Gio was supposed to be.
when I thought Gio would be in the picture, in my mind they were similar and going to be one or the other on the field at any given time.
 
So... Jedi, McKenzie, Richards, Dest back line.... Adams, McKennie, Tillman midfield.... Pulisic, Balogun, Weah front line....

This the expected line up next June at this point? Who has a shot of taking one of these spots if everyone is healthy? And we're not gonna talk about GKers, because that's completely up for grabs.
Tillman?
Where is he playing? May need to watch him a bit during National Team matches.
Are you asking about club? He plays for PSV. He had a fantastic season for them.

He was the WhoScored player of the year across the entire Eredivisie. He has been linked to both Chelsea and Aston Villa amongst many many other teams. He is probably the most sought after US player this summer.
I assume he was asking about position.

that's the million dollar question. he's played as the 10 and a wing for PSV.
Club. Since it was noted midfield in the original post, plus organized like a 4-3-3, I assumed he was a MF. Thanks to you both for answering both either way.

I'll be sure to watch more of him. Hopefully he can be what Gio was supposed to be.
you really should be watching PSV... it's a blast not having to worry too much about defense. plus you get 3 fun US guys out there most days getting to ball out... and not worry too much about defense.
 
That's pretty much exactly what I was implying. I see us as a hybrid 4-3-3/4-1-2-3.

Adams plays deep and focuses only ball recovery/defensive shape. McKennie and Tillman play more forward. McKennie as more of a box to box guy and Tillman as a 10/8 hybrid. Floppo is right in that I see him being in the role we all envisioned for Gio. He's not as talented, but he had an amazing year and if he continues to build and develop? I don't see anyone over him at this point. I think I'd even take Weah off and move him to winger if we wanted to be more defensive minded against a top team.
 
That's pretty much exactly what I was implying. I see us as a hybrid 4-3-3/4-1-2-3.

Adams plays deep and focuses only ball recovery/defensive shape. McKennie and Tillman play more forward. McKennie as more of a box to box guy and Tillman as a 10/8 hybrid. Floppo is right in that I see him being in the role we all envisioned for Gio. He's not as talented, but he had an amazing year and if he continues to build and develop? I don't see anyone over him at this point. I think I'd even take Weah off and move him to winger if we wanted to be more defensive minded against a top team.
I like the thinking- but with Weah seeing a lot of time at wing back in Serie A for a CL team... I'm going to lean towards him- purely from a tactical standpoint, not physical defending one. hell- I'd be tempted to take Dest off instead.
 
That's pretty much exactly what I was implying. I see us as a hybrid 4-3-3/4-1-2-3.

Adams plays deep and focuses only ball recovery/defensive shape. McKennie and Tillman play more forward. McKennie as more of a box to box guy and Tillman as a 10/8 hybrid. Floppo is right in that I see him being in the role we all envisioned for Gio. He's not as talented, but he had an amazing year and if he continues to build and develop? I don't see anyone over him at this point. I think I'd even take Weah off and move him to winger if we wanted to be more defensive minded against a top team.
I like the thinking- but with Weah seeing a lot of time at wing back in Serie A for a CL team... I'm going to lean towards him- purely from a tactical standpoint, not physical defending one. hell- I'd be tempted to take Dest off instead.
The Gio ripple effect is felt every where.

One of the reasons Dest's offense is so critical is because he can do things only really Gio was expected to be able to provide. I really like Weah but he can't hold a candle to Dest's ability to create on the ball. If we have any hopes of getting out of the group next year we are going to have to find ways to score.

And when you factor in our depth at the wings is not great right now, I think the Dest(RB)-Weah(RW) is a better combo than anything we could find for Weah(RB)-X(RW)
 
So... Jedi, McKenzie, Richards, Dest back line.... Adams, McKennie, Tillman midfield.... Pulisic, Balogun, Weah front line....

This the expected line up next June at this point? Who has a shot of taking one of these spots if everyone is healthy? And we're not gonna talk about GKers, because that's completely up for grabs.
Tillman?
Where is he playing? May need to watch him a bit during National Team matches.
Are you asking about club? He plays for PSV. He had a fantastic season for them.

He was the WhoScored player of the year across the entire Eredivisie. He has been linked to both Chelsea and Aston Villa amongst many many other teams. He is probably the most sought after US player this summer.
I assume he was asking about position.

that's the million dollar question. he's played as the 10 and a wing for PSV.
Club. Since it was noted midfield in the original post, plus organized like a 4-3-3, I assumed he was a MF. Thanks to you both for answering both either way.

I'll be sure to watch more of him. Hopefully he can be what Gio was supposed to be.
you really should be watching PSV... it's a blast not having to worry too much about defense. plus you get 3 fun US guys out there most days getting to ball out... and not worry too much about defense.
And to be fair to the side defensively, they were still quite respectable in Champions League this year.

They beat Juventus, beat Liverpool and drew with Arsenal. They did get exposed by Arsenal badly in the knock out rounds but I was still quite impressed with their over all performance and results. And that was with out Dest, who is a MAJOR upgrade over Richie imo.
 
Any rumors of Gio moving away from Dortmund? I haven't seen any, but seems he needs to go somewhere to get going. A solid season with actual game time may get him back in the mix.
 
And to be fair to the side defensively, they were still quite respectable in Champions League this year.

They beat Juventus, beat Liverpool and drew with Arsenal. They did get exposed by Arsenal badly in the knock out rounds but I was still quite impressed with their over all performance and results. And that was with out Dest, who is a MAJOR upgrade over Richie imo.
I should also mention that the team had the bad performance against Arsenal around the same time they started to crater in the league which also coincided with Pepi, Dest and Tillman all being out with injuries.

Once Tillman came back, the entire team found new footing and roared back to win the league after being effectively out of it.
 
Any rumors of Gio moving away from Dortmund? I haven't seen any, but seems he needs to go somewhere to get going. A solid season with actual game time may get him back in the mix.
In terms of teams who might be interested, I have not seen any yet. The general rumor was that Dortmund told him to find a new team this summer.

But there is also some confusion because he was not originally expected to go to the CWC with Dortmund but has been seen training with the first team recently so I don't know what is up.
 
Floppo is right in that I see him being in the role we all envisioned for Gio. He's not as talented,
Honestly, I disagree. Gio has regressed and while he looked amazingly talented as an 17 year old, showijg a great burst of speed, making those turns into space with the ball, running the channels, etc. His talent has been much less evident over the past 3 years. Tillman has been doing a lot of talented things, striking the ball cleanly, moving into dangerous spots, making excellent passes, just looking dangerous in the attacking third.

I wouldn't rank Gio ahead of Tillman for talent right now.
 
Floppo is right in that I see him being in the role we all envisioned for Gio. He's not as talented,
Honestly, I disagree. Gio has regressed and while he looked amazingly talented as an 17 year old, showijg a great burst of speed, making those turns into space with the ball, running the channels, etc. His talent has been much less evident over the past 3 years. Tillman has been doing a lot of talented things, striking the ball cleanly, moving into dangerous spots, making excellent passes, just looking dangerous in the attacking third.

I wouldn't rank Gio ahead of Tillman for talent right now.
Totally agree. I meant their ceilings. I don’t think Tillman has as high of a ceiling as we once thought Gio had.

Currently? Yeah, he way past Gio. I have no idea where Gio’s ceiling is at this point since he’s never playing.

What I’ve seen of Tillman this year excites me. I think he will be an integral part of our squad next year unless he is injured.
 
And now Adams is hurt. Just keep the hits coming
at least it sounds minor.

Poch: "Tyler is out for tomorrow because he suffered a small issue in his foot. But I think it’s not a big issue. Hope it’s not a big issue. I think we can manage it in a good way and rest it for a few days, and then see if he can be ready for the Gold Cup. That is why he’s not going to be involved tomorrow."
 
Lyon and Nottingham Forrest have agreed on an 8m fee for Turner. Bogert said Turner agreed to the deal immediately.

Lyon is expected to lose its first choice keeper in a transfer this summer.
 

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