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zamboni
Footballguy
I suppose it can't hurt if you can get him for a very low price, but I don't think he offers much other than the occasional big week. He was a hot commodity going into the season, but the concerns are clearly evident - there's not a lot of fantasy points left once LT and Gates get theirs.
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A very, very distant #3 option after LT and Gates.
gregjcross
Footballguy
I notice that half the throws to VJAX are almost interceptions, they cant seem to get him open
mon
(T)ool
And if it's the one I'm thinking of, that pass was slightly deflected, so not VJax's fault. I think it comes down to Rivers getting comfortable with him and trusting him like he does Gates and LT. When that happens (and I believe it will some time this year), he will become an upper tier WR2.
Right, a defender got a hand on it at the last second; but that goes to gregjcross's point above.Also, as mon says, the Chargers may end up spreading the ball around more -- but it remains to be seen whether that will work in VJ's favor. They did spread the ball around yesterday, and that's why VJ didn't get so many looks. Craig Davis, Malcom Floyd, and even Brandon Manumaleuna got in on the action, which kind of diluted the targets for VJ.He could be a buy-low candidate because he's got the physical talent to be a very good WR. But I don't know if he's going to be a big enough part of the SD offense this year for him to put up good fantasy numbers. Gates and Tomlinson are the focus, and I think that Davis and Floyd may continue to get looks. Eric Parker will be back soon as well.
Banger
Footballguy
that's been the story of his career so far. Lots of dropped balls and concentration lapses.
mr. rosewater
Footballguy
i have him, but am not particularly confident going forward. seems to me if you can get him for crap, you might as well, but his owner will probably be thinking "if all i can get is crap, i might as well keep him."
Downontheupside
Footballguy
During the draft I couldn't decide between him and Braylon Edwards, I took Jackson and have been kicking myself since. On the bright side I think he's a still a solid #3 WR but nothing more. He's got loads of talent but doesn't have the right situation. If the Chargers Defense and running game stays like this, they can find themselves in ball control mode with not much of a active passing game. And even when Phillip Rivers does have to throw it's not nothing to get excited about.
massraider
Footballguy
I look forward to Jackson displaying all this talent I keep hearing about. In the meantime, he could just get open or catch the ball. By next year, Buster Davis will be their #1, and we will be reading threads about what a sleeper the 'talented' Mr. Jackson is.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
if you want him... this is the time to get him.. on his BYE week and after a 1 for 5 day. Personally; I went after him this week and landed him... I could use a little depth in my WRs for the playoff run... Brandon Jones / Roydell / Engram were my current #3 / 4 / 5.
Hes young (24), in his 1st yr of starting, has all the physical tools need to be a "Good" wr, 20 of his 35 targets are on 1st downs and caught 14 of them.. earning his QBs trust.
The problem is that hes an after thought on a run 1st offense.... after Gates and then the check down to LT2; VJax gets a look. And a couple of key drops hurts too.
I would make an attempt to add him if you haven't.
Hes young (24), in his 1st yr of starting, has all the physical tools need to be a "Good" wr, 20 of his 35 targets are on 1st downs and caught 14 of them.. earning his QBs trust.
The problem is that hes an after thought on a run 1st offense.... after Gates and then the check down to LT2; VJax gets a look. And a couple of key drops hurts too.
I would make an attempt to add him if you haven't.
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Jackson will have a few weeks with long TDs, good luck predicting when they will happen. Some great points have been made already: #3 option at best, Parker is coming back, Jackson has dropped some opportunities for big plays.
I know I'm getting to sound like a broken record on this, but Jackson is just not a natural receiver. He is mighty big and fast, and he can get open, but when it comes time to actually catch the ball, Jackson is awkward. Sometimes it prevents him from making the catch, sometimes it doesn't, but he fights the ball way more than an NFL WR should.
I know I'm getting to sound like a broken record on this, but Jackson is just not a natural receiver. He is mighty big and fast, and he can get open, but when it comes time to actually catch the ball, Jackson is awkward. Sometimes it prevents him from making the catch, sometimes it doesn't, but he fights the ball way more than an NFL WR should.
War Eagle
Footballguy
He's on pace for 800 and 5-6 TDs after going through the toughest part of San Diego's scheduleChicago - defence was healthy that weekNew EnglandGreen BayKansas City - surprisingly tough denfence against the passDenver - #1 against the pass5 out of the next 9 games are agianst mediocre pass defences PLUS San Diego looks like they are finally playing well.Also, don't forget he was playing with a banged up shoulder this past week. He has a bye now to get healthy.LT, Rivers, Gates, AND VJac will all be solid down the stretch. VJac will be a great #3 and a possible solid #2 with great upside the rest of the season.
Update on this: Parker may be headed to IR.
The big question right now is receiver Eric Parker. Parker has been running well for a month but has yet to become ready to cut and run side to side. Parker is seeing a specialist today and it will be known later this week whether he is going to return. If he is not ready soon, the Chargers will put him on IR and go find another receiver.
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AnonymousBob
Footballguy
Chambers is now a Charger. There goes Jackson's value...
nyftbl_giants
Footballguy
not that he had any numbers but what about busters role. they love jacksons blocking and he might be better off in the 2 role
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
####ing A.... just traded for VJax last night....
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I would say this downgrades VJax, but you never know taking the presure off of him while he develops may help... but we won't be sure how this plays out until we see it in action... I don't see any change in his role as a Redzone target; but a 1000 yd season just went out the windown.
one thing is for sure; its going to be quite hard to cover anyone in that O.
Roto's feel
Vincent Jackson's value takes a small hit following San Diego's acquisition of Chris Chambers.
Chambers, like Jackson and Antonio Gates, is a prime red zone option. Jackson should see fewer targets after Chambers' arrival, which won't help his consistency.
one thing is for sure; its going to be quite hard to cover anyone in that O.
Roto's feel
Vincent Jackson's value takes a small hit following San Diego's acquisition of Chris Chambers.
Chambers, like Jackson and Antonio Gates, is a prime red zone option. Jackson should see fewer targets after Chambers' arrival, which won't help his consistency.
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Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
If you liked the price before then you'll love it now. Rock bottom, baby.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I wanted to bump this up... I was thinking about this last night
looking at the stats.. I noticed that LT2 is 2nd on the team with 38 Targets and 25 recs (that makes him #3 for RBs)... IMO, thats a problem.
The RB on a team this talent shouldn't be the #2 passing option; even if it is LT2... remember during the offseason; the plan was to give LT less touches, well right now hes tied for total touches by an RB. After reviewing this; I believe LT owners in PPR leagues are going to feel an impact from Chambers (if any; this is Chris Chambers).
as for VJax... I'm not so sure SD is just going to hand Chambers the WR1 spot.. Vjax has 35 targets; the rest of the WRs have 31... I don't think that Jax will be affected too much by this move... he will still be a great Redzone target...
I would still target VJax during this week as a buy low
looking at the stats.. I noticed that LT2 is 2nd on the team with 38 Targets and 25 recs (that makes him #3 for RBs)... IMO, thats a problem.
The RB on a team this talent shouldn't be the #2 passing option; even if it is LT2... remember during the offseason; the plan was to give LT less touches, well right now hes tied for total touches by an RB. After reviewing this; I believe LT owners in PPR leagues are going to feel an impact from Chambers (if any; this is Chris Chambers).
as for VJax... I'm not so sure SD is just going to hand Chambers the WR1 spot.. Vjax has 35 targets; the rest of the WRs have 31... I don't think that Jax will be affected too much by this move... he will still be a great Redzone target...
I would still target VJax during this week as a buy low
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Good for you... I paid for him the night before the trade... and I felt I gave a little too much then; imagine how I felt yesterday.
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Banger
Footballguy
I'm not sure what plan you're referring to. The plan for LT since training camp was to get LT more receptions and possibly a few less carries, touch wise probably about the same. Chambers acquisition will not impact LT's touch's. As far as targetting him as a buy low, he will certainly be cheaper this morning than he was yesterday.KellysHeroes said:
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I remember reading somewhere that the staff planned on lessing LT's workload this yr and increase Turners' while they had him... this way LT would stay fresher during the Playoffs
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
Not really sure what some of you are thinking here. He was the third option, now he's headed to fourth, with a first round pick at WR already on the roster. Plus he struggles catching the ball. I think we are looking at the next Micheal Jenkins.
The publicly stated plan was to get the ball into LT's hands more often by involving him more in the passing game (although there is always reason to be skeptical of publicly stated plans).KellysHeroes said:
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Again... you can't just assume that Chambers is going to be handed the WR1 role an out target Jackson... we haven't seen them in action yet and Chambers isn't anything special. If anything it could become like Philly where the 2 WRs are 1a and 1b; where Jackson is more valuable because hes more of the Redzone target. But we need to wait till week 8 to know how this will play out.The reason, IMO, that Chambers was brought in is because the rest of the WRs were under performancing terribly and Eric Parker is clearly toast. And JVax is 100xs the WR Jenkins is... if anything, I would Compare Jackson to larger / stronger version of Reggie Brown.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
Um, you do know that Chambers went to the probowl in 2005 with Gus Frerotte and Sage Rosenfels as his QBs. He's also had other studs like Jay Fiedler and Joey Harrington recently. I don't own VJax or have any personal vendetta against the guy. I just see a WR that struggles catching the ball, and in the last 6 months his team has drafted a WR in the first round and traded for a Pro Bowl WR.
sho nuff
Footballguy
The problem is he was already the 3rd redzone target and already inconsistent as a WR.I don't think he is a "buy" low candidate. I think he is a sleeper to pick up off of the waiver wire in another week or two if he is not already there.He is there in my league (though, 10 teamer and you only start 2 WRs). And I put him there and have no regrets in doing so after that 1 catch for 5 yard performance.Helps that I have Ocho Cinco, Crayton, Jennings, and Javon Walker in front of him though.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
doesn't Chambers have the most drops than another other WR in the past 3 yrs.... the Pro-Bowl means nothing to me...
Chambers and Owens are both up there -- I'm not sure who's ahead.
