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Vegas always wins (1 Viewer)

Getting the fine print out of the way early . . . THIS HAS NO BEARING ON THIS WEEK'S GAME, but . . .

For those using the argument that the Giants won the first game this year so they will win the rematch, historically that has been a little bit more difficult than it sounds. By my count, this will be the 13th time SB combatants have met in the regular season. The team that won the first game went on to win the SB 5 times and lost it 7 times.

2007 NE 38, NYG 35

2001 STL 24, NE 17

1999 TEN 24, STL 21

1994 SF 38, SD 15

1993 BUF 13, DAL 10

1990 BUF 17, NYG 13

1986 NYG 19, DEN 16

1985 CHI 20, NE 7

1983 WAS 37, OAK 35

1981 SF 21, CIN 3

1980 PHI 10, OAK 7

1977 DAL 14, DEN 6

 
Turnovers are the difference maker. The fact that one team won the game's TO's (and won the game) while the other won the year's TO ratio (and had the better record) shows just how hard it is to guess these things.

 
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Anyone who thinks Gronk isn't playing is crazy. He'll start.
I think everyone expects Gronk to play; how effective he will be is the big question mark.
:goodposting: The "dreaded high ankle sprain" is no joke, especially after only two weeks. If Gronk is anywhere near his old self, he is truly Superman. I think the biggest impact of this injury is that the Giants likely won't need to double-team him.

 
'nxmehta said:
I don't really care about the result, but I wish the NFL would have a rule that you can't make the playoffs without 10 wins.it's sickening seeing teams a game above .500 possibly win titles.MLB has the same problem.... NHL does too for that matter.As much as people hate the BCS, at least I know i'm getting 2 of the top 2-5 teams in the title game.
If those top 2-5 teams are so good, maybe they should be able to beat the .500 teams in the playoffs?If a .500 team can take out 15-1 and 13-3 teams in high pressure playoff games then they absolutely deserve to be in the championship.You're saying you would rather evaluate a team based on it's record playing in less meaningful games against less talented opponents? :loco:
1 game proves nothing.. ball bounces a certain way, dude drops a pass, ref makes a bad call... it's over.Pack had already beaten the Giants once... Giants beat them once... where's the rubber match.I believe in the collective performance of an entire season where the pack went 15-1 to the giants 9-7 (and two losses to the skins... ouch) over any one playoff game.Same way i believe the Pats were much better than the '08 Giants.I hate the NFL playoffs and the NCAA men's basketball tourney for their reliance on single matches to determine the winners.NBA is one of the only leagues that does this right with best of 7 all the way through... if you want a 1-off championship system.. go with the BCS... that way we are guaranteed to get the best two teams in the final game. You've got to do something about these leagues... but what's right wont be done due to money. We need a lot fewer teams in the playoffs.If we could get best of 7 or best of 9 type of matchups in teh NFL.. .if that were feasible, i'd accept the final super bowl champion as the best team.As it is now... champions like the NFL champ, MLB champ, all fantasy football champs (except total points leagues), and NHL... they aren't crowning the best team.. just the winner of a flawed playoff structure.it's all crap and we're all buying it in droves
 
The problem is it's not feasible to have a best of 7 playoff structure in football. I cant even wrap my head around how that would work.

Not only that, but even a 7 game playoff structure would not guarantee that the "best" team over the course of the season would win. How many times have the Yankees been upset in the playoffs despite having the best record. Remember when Colorado won the world series?

 
Makes you wonder, though, if the NFL did a BCS-type system, which two teams would have been numbers 1 and 2 at the end of the regular season? Probably GB and either Baltimore or New Orleans would be my guess. NE wouldn't have been that high, despite their record, because of their zero wins over teams over .500, as opposed to Baltimore, who was a game worse in the standings, but had six wins against winning teams.

 
The problem is it's not feasible to have a best of 7 playoff structure in football. I cant even wrap my head around how that would work.Not only that, but even a 7 game playoff structure would not guarantee that the "best" team over the course of the season would win. How many times have the Yankees been upset in the playoffs despite having the best record. Remember when Colorado won the world series?
of course it can't work. but it's a limitation when crowning a champion in that sport, which is why I don't necessarily acknowledge the Super Bowl winner as the best team that season and no one should.Also, I understand what you are saying about baseball.Baseball needs like best of 13 to 15 so that each starter has to go 3-4 times to really let things hash out.Frankly I wish they didn't have a playoffs.MLB just needs to allow full interleague play (get rid of all divisions and conferences) and take the champion of the regular season... 162 games is more than enough time to hash out the best team.If there's a tie at the top after that, go ahead and have the best of 13-15 series.At that point i think we can all acknowledge which team is best.In the current format, i think the MLB world series winner has been the best overall team maybe 3-5 times in the last 10-12 years.NBA gets it done at least 75+% of the time, Tennis gets it right almost every time, BCS gets it right a LOT of the time as well.NHL despite having a best of 7 seems to not get it right... but i don't even get hockey so who cares.
 
This is from Vegasinsider.com they do pretty good job of telling it like it is.

Swamp

http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/

Update – Thursday Feb. 2 (11:30 a.m. PT)

Wynn Las Vegas sports book director Johnny Avello tried to hang on with the Patriots minus-3 as long as he could, but finally had to give in on Thursday morning when the culmination of Giants money over the first 11 days of action became too much.

“It’s been non-stop Giants money,” said Avello who now has the Patriots -2 ½ (-115). ”I’d rather go now and test the waters to see if I can find some Patriots money out there.”

Avello joins Coast Resorts (-2 ½ -115), MGM Resorts (-2 ½ -125) and the South Point (-2 ½ -110) who have already made the move below -3.

“I figure we have only seen about 12% of the action thus far and I already have the lowest money-line in town (Patriots -130/+110) that hasn’t attracted Patriots money, so I’m going to test it out and see what I can get. I definitely don’t want to be the last to make the move.”

The fact that Avello hasn’t had any large money nibbles on the money line at -130 is pretty telling. It’s a sign sharp money that may like the Patriots are waiting until the sports books get desperate closer to game time when we could see a -125 or -120 with a book crying out for any Patriots money.

Sharp money matters very little in the overall equation for the Super Bowl, but it’s always nice to use their bets as a barometer to what is attractive.

With all the action that has occurred thus far, Avello thinks this year’s Super Bowl numbers will beat last year’s $87.4 million handle throughout Nevada last year.

“Action is already bigger early than last year,” said Avello. “I don’t know if we can get to the record ($94.5 million in 2006), but I think we’ll beat 2011. Between the massive following of the two teams and a low spread, I would be surprised if it didn’t surpass last year.”

Avello has also gotten a ton of action on his props. The biggest mover thus far has been the prop asking who will run the first offensive play.

“We opened the Giants at minus-120 and got a ton of action early and then I come to find out that the reason behind all the bets is that the Patriots have deferred 27 straight times,” Avello said with a chuckle. “So we’ve moved it pretty quick up the ladder to minus-240, and who knows, the Giants could win the toss and defer themselves just to begin the game by not letting Belichick get his way.“

Update – Monday Jan. 30 (1:00 p.m. PT)

We’ve been commenting a lot about the action at the South Point because they have essentially been the story on the Super Bowl betting season in Las Vegas. While every other book in town has been dealing either a -2 ½ (-120) or a -3 (EV), the South Point deals exclusively with flat numbers (-110) making their moves to -2 ½ and -3 the most attractive in the land.

In a matter of less than a half hour Monday afternoon, the South Point got a few large wagers that pushed the number back and forth again, which makes it four times bouncing on and off the key number. A massive wager on the Patriots at -2 ½ (-110) pushed them to their threshold at that number forcing them back to -3 (-110). Within 15 minutes, they immediately reached the threshold at +3 (-110) with a rapid succession of limit Giants money as though the bettors were waiting.

Anyone with sharp money betting limits knows that the best place to get the most value with the Super Bowl is with the South Point, so just about every group in town is on full alert to what is going on there. Why pay the added juice if you want to take the Giants +3 and why lay more than -110 on the Patriots if wanting to lay -2 ½?

The actual amounts of the wagers are not for public knowledge, but to give an idea based on past occurrences, just assume that the wagers are anywhere from $20,000 to $75,000 with a threshold at each move being around $100,000 to $150,000. That’s a lot of cheese to be churning with six days of action still remaining.

For now, the South Point has the Patriots -2 ½ (-110), again.

Update – Sunday Jan. 29 (12:30 p.m. PT)

Another Las Vegas sports book joined the small minus-2 ½ party Saturday when Coast Resort properties moved the Patriots to -2 ½ (-120). They join MGM Resorts (-2 ½ -125) and the South Point (-2 ½ -110) as the only books below -3.

Cantor Gaming sports books have been steady at Patriots -3 (-105) and the director of the books, Mike Colbert, says action has been great.

“We have almost the exact same amount of money of each side," said Colbert. “The only thing we are long on right now is the Giants money-line (+125).”

Colbert has a very fair money-line price posted compared to most of the other books which have the Patriots at -135 or -140.

After the initial rush of almost everyone having to get a piece of the Giants, it appears the action has leveled off a bit with smaller Patriots money showing up.

Update – Saturday Jan. 28 (12:30 p.m. PT)

Without any full limit wagers on the Giants at +3-flat, it still didn't take long for the South Point to find their threshold and move back to Patriots -2 ½ (-110). This was the South Point's second move to -2 ½. The first time they found out that there was large Patriots money to be had rather quickly and bounced back up to -3.

They've been at -2 ½ since Friday night, but haven't gotten the initial type of Patriots money they did when they first moved. Since moving to -2 ½, small money is still coming fast and furious on the Giants. The majority of Super Bowl bettors don't care what the line is. Rather, they just want a ticket that says Giants. This has been the case everywhere since the line first opened on Sunday.

The majority of Las Vegas Sports Books still have the Giants +3 (-120) with MGM Resorts still holding solid with the Patriots -2 ½ (-125).

The LVH Super Book opened their world famous Super Bowl propositions Thursday evening with the sheets flying off the rack almost as fast as they could print them. The initial action was good as well, but the majority of the betting will take place when all the other sports books open their props are reveal several middle opportunities.

Over the years, some of the best middles have occurred on yardage props where the bettor can get up a 10 to 15-yard free roll with running backs or wide receivers and a chance to win both bets by just shopping around.

Update – Thursday Jan. 26 (4:00 p.m. PT)

South Point found all the money they needed on Patriots -2 ½ (-110) and moved back to -3 (-110) until they regroup again Friday. What they have done is basically shown the entire city of Las Vegas that there is money to be had on the Patriots at -2 ½ which should go a long way to dictating where the solid spread sits next week.

Update – Thursday Jan. 26 (3:45 p.m. PT)

Minus-2 ½-flat could become a scarce number in Las Vegas soon. Cal-Neva sports books went from -2 ½ (-120) back to -3 (EV) Thursday while the only -2 ½-flat in the world remained at the South Point they've been finding Patriots money.

"We know that there is big money to be had with the Patriots -2 ½-flat (-110)," said South Point sports book director Bert Osborne, who runs the only book in Las Vegas that uses exclusively flat numbers.

"With the way we book (flat numbers), it's going to take a little more to get us off the number, but at least it's nice to know that there are people out there supporting the Patriots," said Osborne who has been getting an influx of Giants money throughout the week since opening the Patriots -3 ½ on Sunday.

"I'll talk with Michael (South Point owner Michael Gaughan) tomorrow and see where we want to be positioned based on all the betting action we've had. I think we have enough data through the first few days to figure out on each side of '3', what type of action we'll get the rest of the way."

Jay Rood at the MGM Resort properties remains comfortable with his -2 ½ (-125) line and says he's been getting good two-way action.

"We're treading water this week and haven't been pushed one way or another. Next week we'll re-evaluate everything and see where we want to be based on the money that has come in. It's very apparent the public likes the Giants."

Update – Wednesday Jan. 25 (4:00 p.m. PT)

The day after MGM Resorts moved the Patriots to -2.5 (-125) because of an onslaught of Giants money, South Point sports book director Bert Osborne followed suit, but gave a much meatier bone for sharp money -- if any -- to sink their teeth into by offering the Patriots at -2.5-flat.

"I had enough and I figured while it was still early enough, I'd test the waters a little and see if -2.5-flat actually had some value," said Osborne. "I think it does, but I've only had the move up for a half-hour and it’s still all Giants money."

The public doesn't seem to care what the line is on the Giants whether it's betting into a bad money-line or taking the almost meaningless +2.5. As of right now, all they know is they want the Giants on Super Bowl Sunday.

"We'll see where this takes us," said Osborne. "We're probably going to take about four times as much risk on this move, at this stage, than we would in a regular playoff game."

After over 24 hours of action, the MGM Resort properties are happy with their decision to jump out early Tuesday.

"We're pretty balanced at -2.5 (-125) right now since the move," said VP of race and sports Jay Rood.

More Las Vegas sports books may soon follow to the land below a field goal spread. No one wants to be left out without any Patriots money, if there is any to be had.

Update – Wednesday Jan. 25 (4:00 a.m. PT)

Just after I wrote about the sports books not wanting to go minus-2 ½, Jay Rood, VP of race and sports at MGM Resorts, had enough of all the early action on the Giants through Tuesday and tested the waters with Giants +2 ½ (-125).

"We we’re just getting too much money at a rapid pace on the Giants at all stages that we moved the line on from Sunday night until now," said Rood who opened the Giants +3 ½. "I’d rather make the move now and see what happens early on before the rush happens next week."

Most Las Vegas sports books still have the Patriots -3 (EVEN) with Lucky’s sports books showing a -3 (+105) on the Patriots. These next few days will be telling as to what we’ll see next weekend when the books will be more stubborn and set on their number.

Jay Kornegay and his staff are working feverishly to get all 350 Super Bowl props out by Thursday afternoon which will send a major rush to windows everywhere. The LVH Super Book sets the standard around town, and the world for the matter, on what the market price dictates.

Sharp players from everywhere will be in full force looking for an edge on the propositions with hopes of finding several middle opportunities with the varied prices around town.

Even though Kornegay won’t say so himself, the likely reason he is waiting longer than usual to open the props is because he and his staff seem to do all the work for everyone in town. There have been more than a few books in Las Vegas that have actually cut and pasted their logo on the Hilton sheet and used every one of their props and bet numbers to a tee, claiming it as their own.

When the props are released, we’ll have an update on some of the biggest movers as well as some of the biggest variances from what other sports books who work did their own have.

 
'butcher boy said:
I can't believe all the money being put on the Giants. They're a 9-7 team when it comes down to it. They are on a hot streak, but guess what, so is New England. Hot streaks end all the time, and when you look at these teams, I'll take the Belichick coached team any day. Like what was said earlier, New England won't turn the ball over 4 times, and that's what the Giants needed to win by 4 last time. Too much hype is being placed on their last meeting as well as the Gronk injury.
I don't expect the Giants to create 4 turnovers again but they MAY not have to. Neither Hakeem Nicks nor Ahmad Bradshaw played in that game. Those two guys are big offensive weapons for the Giants
 
'Kai said:
Anyone who thinks Gronk isn't playing is crazy. He'll start.
I need him to so I can cash the under on his props.About the nonsense of big NY futures. There were very few out at 80/1. Guarantee there were far more NE at 6/1, those were available all summer. You could get NY 30/1 and up the before week 17 though. There were St Louis Cardinals 250/1 that were paid out, Vegas is still standing. It is not wise to bet a side because Vegas needs it. They will always have one thing, the vig.
 
'KGB said:
-120 and -125 etc just pisses me off.
Books do that so they don't get exposed on middling, and they know you'll bet it at -125. I would rather have the 3 at heavier juice than not.
 
'KGB said:
'Casting Couch said:
'KGB said:
-120 and -125 etc just pisses me off.
Unless you are on the +105 side of the equation.
just because its -120 on one side doesnt mean its plus120 on the other.
Most lines are usually set up for a 10% vig payment on the losing side.20 cent lines are the norm.-110 / -110-120 / EV-130 / +110 etc...Depending on the event, dime lines at very competitive books can also be found.-105 / -105-110 / EV-120 / +110 etc...
 
If you want the Giants side, grab it now before it moves to 2 or 1.5 by kickoff. If you want the +3 you can still grab it at -118 reduced juice on 5dimes. By kickoff Giants +3 is going to be like -150.

I will also be on Giants ML, and perhaps a bit on Giants -6.5 and even -13.5. I really think the Giants win this.

 
(A snippet of a recent article from the Associated Press.)

USA Today :

Jan 25, 2012

Las Vegas fearing a Giants win in Super Bowl XLVI

By Ellen J. Horrow, USA TODAY

The New York Giants are currently raising the blood pressure in Las Vegas, more than a week and a half ahead of Super Bowl XLVI.

A victory by the Giants over the New England Patriots could cost some Vegas sports books a pretty penny as futures betting comes back to haunt them. A number of sports books in Nevada took significant bets on the Giants to win the Super Bowl at long odds earlier this season — some as high as 80 to 1 — putting some in a very precarious position if the Giants should knock off the Patriots in the Super Bowl again.
With all due respect to Ellen J Harrow as I'm sure she's got fantastic insider knowledge as to the status of Vegas' books, but you guys realize that a Giants win means the futures bets on the other 31 teams lose right?
:goodposting: ... and if Vegas stood to lose a ton with a NYG win, wouldn't they prefer to have the new money coming in on the Pats?

Seems to me the Giants would be the 3pt favorite if this were the case. I don't buy it.

 
(A snippet of a recent article from the Associated Press.)

USA Today :

Jan 25, 2012

Las Vegas fearing a Giants win in Super Bowl XLVI

By Ellen J. Horrow, USA TODAY

The New York Giants are currently raising the blood pressure in Las Vegas, more than a week and a half ahead of Super Bowl XLVI.

A victory by the Giants over the New England Patriots could cost some Vegas sports books a pretty penny as futures betting comes back to haunt them. A number of sports books in Nevada took significant bets on the Giants to win the Super Bowl at long odds earlier this season — some as high as 80 to 1 — putting some in a very precarious position if the Giants should knock off the Patriots in the Super Bowl again.
With all due respect to Ellen J Harrow as I'm sure she's got fantastic insider knowledge as to the status of Vegas' books, but you guys realize that a Giants win means the futures bets on the other 31 teams lose right?
:goodposting: ... and if Vegas stood to lose a ton with a NYG win, wouldn't they prefer to have the new money coming in on the Pats?

Seems to me the Giants would be the 3pt favorite if this were the case. I don't buy it.
....which is probably why they dropped the number from a very solid 3 to 2 1/2.
 
(A snippet of a recent article from the Associated Press.)

USA Today :

Jan 25, 2012

Las Vegas fearing a Giants win in Super Bowl XLVI

By Ellen J. Horrow, USA TODAY

The New York Giants are currently raising the blood pressure in Las Vegas, more than a week and a half ahead of Super Bowl XLVI.

A victory by the Giants over the New England Patriots could cost some Vegas sports books a pretty penny as futures betting comes back to haunt them. A number of sports books in Nevada took significant bets on the Giants to win the Super Bowl at long odds earlier this season — some as high as 80 to 1 — putting some in a very precarious position if the Giants should knock off the Patriots in the Super Bowl again.
With all due respect to Ellen J Harrow as I'm sure she's got fantastic insider knowledge as to the status of Vegas' books, but you guys realize that a Giants win means the futures bets on the other 31 teams lose right?
:goodposting: ... and if Vegas stood to lose a ton with a NYG win, wouldn't they prefer to have the new money coming in on the Pats?

Seems to me the Giants would be the 3pt favorite if this were the case. I don't buy it.
....which is probably why they dropped the number from a very solid 3 to 2 1/2.
I see four books @ -2.5 and nine books @ -3http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/

 
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Vegas doesn't always win....
Sure they do. It will just take 2 or 3 hours to make up for the amount they lost yesterday. If that.
This is pretty off. The biggest Super bowl loss for Vegas was the first Pats SB. They had huge payouts on the money line which wiped out 9 MONTHS of profit for them. The largest sports bet catastrophe of all time for vegas is probably the Buster Douglas win over Tyson. There aren't any real accurate records, but it basically wiped out local bookies and years of casino profits.
 
Vegas doesn't always win....
Sure they do. It will just take 2 or 3 hours to make up for the amount they lost yesterday. If that.
I agree that long-term, the house always wins. But the whole premise of this thread, and a lot of talk I hear other places, is that the Vegas books are smarter than the public and so - in a case like yesterday - if the public is heavy on one side, then it means Vegas knows something and is going to win.To me, this Super Bowl was a case of Vegas assuming that everyone would be on the Patriots, and so they set a bad line to start. They overestimated the public's belief in New England. This time, the public knew that 3 points was way too many for NY to get in what was essentially a toss-up game.
 
'culdeus said:
The largest sports bet catastrophe of all time for vegas is probably the Buster Douglas win over Tyson. There aren't any real accurate records, but it basically wiped out local bookies and years of casino profits.
The only Las Vegas casino which offered betting on the Tyson-Douglas fight was the Mirage. That's fairly well known.According to this article, they showed a profit on the fight.http://www.gamblingonlinemagazine.com/general-interest.php?articleID=323
 
Vegas probably got a lot back on people betting the over and that the first score of the game was not scored on offense.

 
'culdeus said:
The largest sports bet catastrophe of all time for vegas is probably the Buster Douglas win over Tyson. There aren't any real accurate records, but it basically wiped out local bookies and years of casino profits.
The only Las Vegas casino which offered betting on the Tyson-Douglas fight was the Mirage. That's fairly well known.According to this article, they showed a profit on the fight.http://www.gamblingonlinemagazine.com/general-interest.php?articleID=323
Back then bookies were much more heavily in rotation as the internet gambling was not in style. This basically was a death penalty for some of them. (literally)
 
'culdeus said:
The largest sports bet catastrophe of all time for vegas is probably the Buster Douglas win over Tyson. There aren't any real accurate records, but it basically wiped out local bookies and years of casino profits.
The only Las Vegas casino which offered betting on the Tyson-Douglas fight was the Mirage. That's fairly well known.According to this article, they showed a profit on the fight.http://www.gamblingonlinemagazine.com/general-interest.php?articleID=323
The first Tyson-Holyfield fight, the casinos took a huge beating. They had Holyfield at 26-1. The local news was reporting left and right what a huge beating they took. I had Holyfield at 26-1 and was there, so you can link me. It was nice seeing live, :boxing: Tyson getting knocked on his #### :boxing: while winning $2600 :moneybag: , tough feeling to describe. It ended up with Vegas paying me to see the fight for free and booze it up and gamble on hang with some dancing ladies. :bowtie:
 
'culdeus said:
The largest sports bet catastrophe of all time for vegas is probably the Buster Douglas win over Tyson. There aren't any real accurate records, but it basically wiped out local bookies and years of casino profits.
The only Las Vegas casino which offered betting on the Tyson-Douglas fight was the Mirage. That's fairly well known.According to this article, they showed a profit on the fight.http://www.gamblingonlinemagazine.com/general-interest.php?articleID=323
The first Tyson-Holyfield fight, the casinos took a huge beating. They had Holyfield at 26-1. The local news was reporting left and right what a huge beating they took. I had Holyfield at 26-1 and was there, so you can link me. It was nice seeing live, :boxing: Tyson getting knocked on his #### :boxing: while winning $2600 :moneybag: , tough feeling to describe. It ended up with Vegas paying me to see the fight for free and booze it up and gamble on hang with some dancing ladies. :bowtie:
Holyfield was not a 26-1 dog in that fight.
 
'culdeus said:
The largest sports bet catastrophe of all time for vegas is probably the Buster Douglas win over Tyson. There aren't any real accurate records, but it basically wiped out local bookies and years of casino profits.
The only Las Vegas casino which offered betting on the Tyson-Douglas fight was the Mirage. That's fairly well known.According to this article, they showed a profit on the fight.

http://www.gamblingonlinemagazine.com/general-interest.php?articleID=323
The first Tyson-Holyfield fight, the casinos took a huge beating. They had Holyfield at 26-1. The local news was reporting left and right what a huge beating they took. I had Holyfield at 26-1 and was there, so you can link me. It was nice seeing live, :boxing: Tyson getting knocked on his #### :boxing: while winning $2600 :moneybag: , tough feeling to describe. It ended up with Vegas paying me to see the fight for free and booze it up and gamble on hang with some dancing ladies. :bowtie:
Holyfield was not a 26-1 dog in that fight.
I didn't believe him either, but from a little research, it sounds like while not living up to his namesake's lifestyle, this TimTebow is also blessed with talent/luck/divine intervention.
Style enters assessments of tonight's rematch between Evander Holyfield and Mike Tyson at the MGM Grand here. Because Holyfield's best work is done in retaliation it suits him to be up against an aggressor. When they first met last November for the World Boxing Association heavyweight championship Holyfield opened at 25-1 in the betting and although the odds had shortened considerably by fight time only one boxing writer gave him a chance. In one of boxing's biggest upsets, Holyfield broke Tyson's spirit to gain an 11th-round stoppage.
BoxingApparently the line quickly moved to the much more reasonable 5-1, but these long odds on Holyfield were available when action opened and if a book wasn't quick to move their lines, I can easily see scenarios where they got pounded paying 25-1.

 
'culdeus said:
'Warrior said:
'The_Man said:
Vegas doesn't always win....
Sure they do. It will just take 2 or 3 hours to make up for the amount they lost yesterday. If that.
This is pretty off. The biggest Super bowl loss for Vegas was the first Pats SB. They had huge payouts on the money line which wiped out 9 MONTHS of profit for them. The largest sports bet catastrophe of all time for vegas is probably the Buster Douglas win over Tyson. There aren't any real accurate records, but it basically wiped out local bookies and years of casino profits.
"Black Sunday" is one they still talk about.
In Super Bowl XIII between the Pittsburgh Steelers and Dallas Cowboys in 1979, the Steelers opened as 3.5-point favorites, but money poured in on Pittsburgh, resulting in a closing spread of -4.5. Final score of that game: Steelers 35, Cowboys 31.It was a devastating result for books that took significant amounts of money on both Pittsburgh -3.5 and, later, Dallas +4.5.
 

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