Very accurate scouting report re: Cam Newton (1 Viewer)

[ppierce]

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/03/29/cam-newton-scouting-report

Negatives: Played in a simplified, run-first, dive-option read offense with very basic high-low reads. Worked exclusively out of the gun and was very quick to run at the first flash of coverage. Limited field vision — does not process the passing game. Inconsistent throwing mechanics with a flick delivery — generates all of his power from his upper-body strength and too often arms the ball. Streaky passer with spotty accuracy. Makes his receivers work hard and throws into coverage. Does not spin a tight spiral. Very disingenuous — has a fake smile, comes off as very scripted and has a selfish, me-first makeup. Always knows where the cameras are and plays to them. Has an enormous ego with a sense of entitlement that continually invites trouble and makes him believe he is above the law — does not command respect from teammates and always will struggle to win a locker room. Only a one-year producer. Lacks accountability, focus and trustworthiness — is not punctual, seeks shortcuts and sets a bad example. Immature and has had issues with authority. Not dependable.

Summary: An extremely talented, dual-threat QB who carried Auburn to a national title, Newton has the arm and athletic talent desired in a rollout, play-action, bootleg vertical passing game and would fit ideally into an offense such as that of the Redskins or Raiders. However, he always will test the rules, be difficult to manage and lacks the intangibles to win the trust of a locker room. Will require a very strong-willed, demanding coach to live up to his potential and avoid the trappings of fame and fortune, but even the greatest taskmaster will not be able to keep away the drama that is still swirling from a stained Heisman Trophy and littered recruiting trail that Newton left in the SEC. Can provide an initial spark, but will quickly be dissected and contained by NFL defensive coordinators, struggle to sustain success and will not prove worthy of an early investment. An overhyped, high-risk, high-reward selection with a glaring bust factor, Newton is sure to be drafted more highly than he should and could foreclose a risk-taking GM's job and taint a locker room.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Was this too special to go into the existing Cam Newton thread? Needed its own spotlight?

Jesus. Talk about trying to draw a reaction. Both the writer of this scouting report at the time, and you now.

 

[Rovers]

Should have put this in the other Cam Newton thread. There are many posters there who don't get who this kid is. This report nails him. He is now showing us just how accurate this report was.

 

[bellmar]

The GM just lost his job.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

The GM just lost his job.

But the owner loves Cam and is rumored to be the one who pushed hard for the pick.

 

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Thanks to the OP for taking up as much space as possible with his crappy rooster.

 

[My Hope Street Alias]

Was this too special to go into the existing Cam Newton thread? Needed its own spotlight?Jesus. Talk about trying to draw a reaction. Both the writer of this scouting report at the time, and you now.

On the contrary, I'm glad this was posted separately. I'd probably never have seen it otherwise as I don't have time to wade through that 8-9 page monstrosity. So, thanks ppierce.

 

[Concept Coop]

Anyone reading this should Google the writer's name.

He's really only famous for this scouting report.

 

[Concept Coop]

And Pro Football Weekly named Cam the #9 player in the NFL last year. I would change the topic name, and put the writer's name, instead. It's one guy.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Thanks to the OP for taking up as much space as possible with his crappy rooster.

I hate crappy roosters. Makes it hard to walk in the barnyard.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Anyone reading this should Google the writer's name. He's really only famous for this scouting report.

I googled "concept coop" and found you were only famous for defending Newton.

 

[Concept Coop]

Anyone reading this should Google the writer's name. He's really only famous for this scouting report.

I googled "concept coop" and found you were only famous for defending Newton.

 

[Donnybrook]

Anyone reading this should Google the writer's name. He's really only famous for this scouting report.

IIRC, he was the scout who was coming down extremely hard on Kendall Wright and Ryan Mallett. Character issues are always overemphasized in his player evaluations.

 

[ace0927]

Anyone reading this should Google the writer's name. He's really only famous for this scouting report.

As true as that might be...he nailed this one on the head.

 

[Concept Coop]

Anyone reading this should Google the writer's name. He's really only famous for this scouting report.

IIRC, he was the scout who was coming down extremely hard on Kendall Wright and Ryan Mallett. Character issues are always overemphasized in his player evaluations.

I honestly don't know much about him. The scouting profile - which I only remember in hindsight due to Warren Moon calling it racist - doesn't seem very professional to me. Some of the claims he makes are very subjective and you'd have to have a lot of insight into Cam as a person to make. The writer was asked if he had ever spent time with Cam - he hadn't. The Camera was always on Cam - he was what the media wanted to show, because that is what the people wanted to see. To claim that he went out of his way to know where the cameras are, so he could flash a "fake" smile...seems like a lot to me.

 

[Concept Coop]

Anyone reading this should Google the writer's name. He's really only famous for this scouting report.

As true as that might be...he nailed this one on the head.

8 weeks ago he would have been laughed at. Cam has 2 bad games, his team is bad, and all of the sudden - this guy is right?Newton had the best rookie season ever, and would't be the first to struggle adjusting to a new scheme, or take a step back in general.Hardly enough to call him a bust, which the writer did.

 

[omally]

Anyone reading this should Google the writer's name. He's really only famous for this scouting report.

I googled "concept coop" and found you were only famous for defending Newton.

You are the king of defending Russell Wilson, even when most of the time it isn't warranted. I'm a NC State alumni, and I can't stand to go in any Russell Wilson thread due to you. I wish he didn't play for the Seahawks due to you. Now I can't go in any thread regarding Newton without reading your juvenile rants. It's obvious to anyone that reads your thoughts in Newton theads that you want him to fail. You add nothing to this site except negativity and preschool behavior.

 

[cvnpoka]

Anyone reading this should Google the writer's name. He's really only famous for this scouting report.

As true as that might be...he nailed this one on the head.

he hasnt nailed anything. cam's career is far from over and decided afaict.

 

[Ray_T]

Anyone reading this should Google the writer's name. He's really only famous for this scouting report.

As true as that might be...he nailed this one on the head.

he hasnt nailed anything. cam's career is far from over and decided afaict.

I agree.lots of QB's start strong, then defenses adjust to them. In many respects these guys have a harder go of it than rookies who start weak and improve over time because there is the thought that you can improve your game if you played like you did when you first had success. the key to his success or failure would be in his ability to adjust to what defenses are now doing to stop him.if he adjusts, he will be an NFL QB. if he does not, he becomes Rex Grossman or Tim couch or (name any QB who started strong and faded when defenses adjusted to their style of play)

 

[duaneok66]

The guy puts out a good product. Sure he overemphasizes character, and why wouldn't you?? Why give a guy a gazillion dollars if he's lazy?? And again (I said this in the other thread) the Panthers brass laughed at this guy eighteen months ago, now the GM is out of a job (a day after this same QB had the class to throw his coach under the bus).

 

[Ray_T]

The guy puts out a good product. Sure he overemphasizes character, and why wouldn't you?? Why give a guy a gazillion dollars if he's lazy?? And again (I said this in the other thread) the Panthers brass laughed at this guy eighteen months ago, now the GM is out of a job (a day after this same QB had the class to throw his coach under the bus).

There is no question, I would never want to be a coach (or GM) for any player who would throw the coach under the bus. This shows a lack of respect, maturity, and to me shows signs that he cant take the heat when things aren't going right.I have no doubt that a conversation will happen behind closed doors and Newton will be told to shut up, but I dont know if he will listen.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

The guy puts out a good product. Sure he overemphasizes character, and why wouldn't you?? Why give a guy a gazillion dollars if he's lazy?? And again (I said this in the other thread) the Panthers brass laughed at this guy eighteen months ago, now the GM is out of a job (a day after this same QB had the class to throw his coach under the bus).

Who's laughing now?

 

[Concept Coop]

The guy puts out a good product. Sure he overemphasizes character, and why wouldn't you?? Why give a guy a gazillion dollars if he's lazy?? And again (I said this in the other thread) the Panthers brass laughed at this guy eighteen months ago, now the GM is out of a job (a day after this same QB had the class to throw his coach under the bus).

The product in question, this specific profile, is not professional. He calls Newton a fraud, claims his smile is fake, claims he goes out of his way to find cameras, calls the Heisman stained, claims Newton will test rules, claims he will be late to meetings, claims he is not a hard worker. Newton's work ethic is very well documented, and very favorable. The others are this guys personal opinion on a person he's never spent time with. So sure, the Panthers laughed 18 months ago. They also laughed all last season, during the best rookie season ever. Ever. We are taking a 6 game stretch, with 2 bad games, and calling the kid a bust, or giving credit to an emotionally driven, unprofessional profile. Help me see the logic in that.People laughed at the Steelers when captains were calling out Ben Roethlisberger for spending his riding his motorcycles and not spending it with the guys. Are they laughing now? Where are those captains now?If Newton wins, none of this matters. When TO yells at a coach, he is a loser; Tom Brady does it, and he is emotional and wants to win.

 

[cracKer]

The guy puts out a good product. Sure he overemphasizes character, and why wouldn't you?? Why give a guy a gazillion dollars if he's lazy??

I wonder if the Raiders read the scouting reports on Jamarcus Russell?

 

[JuniorNB]

Anyone reading this should Google the writer's name. He's really only famous for this scouting report.

Character issues are always overemphasized in his player evaluations.

Perhaps the teams that drafeted Ryan Leaf and Pacman Jones should put him on their staff. You can't overemphasize character. And Newton's is galring for everyone to see these days. That is one of the most accurate scouting reports I ever read.

 

[Concept Coop]

Anyone reading this should Google the writer's name. He's really only famous for this scouting report.

Character issues are always overemphasized in his player evaluations.

That is one of the most accurate scouting reports I ever read.

Did it mention "capable of being one of the best players in the NFL as a rookie and having the best rookie season ever, with no training camp?"Would you guys trade Newton for Gabbert? Locker? Ponder? Dalton? He's a franchise QB, and worth the pick spent on him.

 

[Dought Man]

Cam/Dmac/Taiwan Jones running triple option in Oakland when Cam's contract is up.

 

[JuniorNB]

Anyone reading this should Google the writer's name. He's really only famous for this scouting report.

Character issues are always overemphasized in his player evaluations.

That is one of the most accurate scouting reports I ever read.

Did it mention "capable of being one of the best players in the NFL as a rookie and having the best rookie season ever, with no training camp?"Would you guys trade Newton for Gabbert? Locker? Ponder? Dalton? He's a franchise QB, and worth the pick spent on him.

I'd rather have Dalton for sure. I need the rest of the year to see Newton, Locker, and Ponder. I'd take Newton over Gabbert.

 

[SayWhat?]

Anyone reading this should Google the writer's name.

He's really only famous for this scouting report.

Character issues are always overemphasized in his player evaluations.

Perhaps the teams that drafeted Ryan Leaf and Pacman Jones should put him on their staff. You can't overemphasize character. And Newton's is galring for everyone to see these days. That is one of the most accurate scouting reports I ever read.

You can't overemphasize character? Please. There's plenty of bad apples in the NFL whom are helping their teams win games, and championships. This hatred of Newton is out of control. Does he rub me the wrong way at times? Absolutely. Is he a legitimate starting QB, and likely upper half one at that? I've watched quite a bit of him in his NFL career and I feel pretty comfortable saying that he is. Like every young QB, he has plenty to work on including his shortfall in leadership skills thus far. But he's far from this bust that people are trying to claim he is.

 

[Concept Coop]

Anyone reading this should Google the writer's name. He's really only famous for this scouting report.

Character issues are always overemphasized in his player evaluations.

That is one of the most accurate scouting reports I ever read.

Did it mention "capable of being one of the best players in the NFL as a rookie and having the best rookie season ever, with no training camp?"Would you guys trade Newton for Gabbert? Locker? Ponder? Dalton? He's a franchise QB, and worth the pick spent on him.

I'd rather have Dalton for sure. I need the rest of the year to see Newton, Locker, and Ponder. I'd take Newton over Gabbert.

Interesting. Dalton is in a much better situation, and isn't asked to lead his team in rushing to have a shot at winning. The total TD mark isn't close. The total yardage mark isn't close. The passing yardage total is in Newton's favor. The INT% is within 3%, and Daltons is higher this year. Newton's YPC is a full yard higher. Wins matter, and Dalton is winning. So I can't blame you, but do disagree. I think Newton, in Dalton's shoes, wins just as much, if not more. No way to prove that, however.

 

[duaneok66]

The guy puts out a good product. Sure he overemphasizes character, and why wouldn't you?? Why give a guy a gazillion dollars if he's lazy??

I wonder if the Raiders read the scouting reports on Jamarcus Russell?

They obviously didn't.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Cam sells a lot of seats

 

[Da Guru]

Anyone reading this should Google the writer's name. He's really only famous for this scouting report.

Character issues are always overemphasized in his player evaluations.

That is one of the most accurate scouting reports I ever read.

Did it mention "capable of being one of the best players in the NFL as a rookie and having the best rookie season ever, with no training camp?"Would you guys trade Newton for Gabbert? Locker? Ponder? Dalton? He's a franchise QB, and worth the pick spent on him.

I'd rather have Dalton for sure. I need the rest of the year to see Newton, Locker, and Ponder. I'd take Newton over Gabbert.

Interesting. Dalton is in a much better situation, and isn't asked to lead his team in rushing to have a shot at winning. The total TD mark isn't close. The total yardage mark isn't close. The passing yardage total is in Newton's favor. The INT% is within 3%, and Daltons is higher this year. Newton's YPC is a full yard higher. Wins matter, and Dalton is winning. So I can't blame you, but do disagree. I think Newton, in Dalton's shoes, wins just as much, if not more. No way to prove that, however.

Newton has two highly paid RBs.. why should he lead the team in rushing?? Newton in Daltons shoes may disprupt the flow of the offense.

 

[cvnpoka]

newton to green would be sick. dalton misses him all the time.

 

[gregjcross]

The guy puts out a good product. Sure he overemphasizes character, and why wouldn't you?? Why give a guy a gazillion dollars if he's lazy??

I wonder if the Raiders read the scouting reports on Jamarcus Russell?

Sporting News college pre-draft publication that i have in print had a scathing review of Jamarcus that Spring, even following the big orange bowl win (over Notre Dame?) saying he had really bad mechanics, judgment, etc. The guy promised Jamarcus would bust in a big way (Before it was know the Raiders would be the team taking him) then it happened. Its very similar to above.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Interesting. Dalton is in a much better situation, and isn't asked to lead his team in rushing to have a shot at winning. The total TD mark isn't close. The total yardage mark isn't close. The passing yardage total is in Newton's favor. The INT% is within 3%, and Daltons is higher this year. Newton's YPC is a full yard higher. Wins matter, and Dalton is winning. So I can't blame you, but do disagree. I think Newton, in Dalton's shoes, wins just as much, if not more. No way to prove that, however.

People seem to forget that Dalton's "much better" situation was a team that had the #4 pick in the draft on merit.And it's not like he exactly has had a great running game to take the heat off.As a Bengals fan I wanted Dalton and was very afraid we would take Newton (at the time he was project to fall to #4)-QG

 

[QuizGuy66]

And for those wondering if I really did "fear" a Cam Newton pick from the Bengals, here's a post for the end of '10: Linky

I was off in the sense that I thought they'd ruin Cam, but I also think that speaks some to the style of QB and skill set he has. It takes a very specific situation for him to succeed. Based on the way things have unfolded in Carolina that was not the place.

-QG

 

[cvnpoka]

And for those wondering if I really did "fear" a Cam Newton pick from the Bengals, here's a post for the end of '10: Linky

I was off in the sense that I thought they'd ruin Cam, but I also think that speaks some to the style of QB and skill set he has. It takes a very specific situation for him to succeed. Based on the way things have unfolded in Carolina that was not the place.

-QG

ya cam has been an utter failure in carolina. what a rediculous post.

 

[cvnpoka]

The guy puts out a good product. Sure he overemphasizes character, and why wouldn't you?? Why give a guy a gazillion dollars if he's lazy??

I wonder if the Raiders read the scouting reports on Jamarcus Russell?

Sporting News college pre-draft publication that i have in print had a scathing review of Jamarcus that Spring, even following the big orange bowl win (over Notre Dame?) saying he had really bad mechanics, judgment, etc. The guy promised Jamarcus would bust in a big way (Before it was know the Raiders would be the team taking him) then it happened. Its very similar to above.

how is it similar? surely you arent calling newton a bust? or is it that he would start off hot and then regress? i guess that is spot on, but he went from one of the best rookies of all time to merely a high end starter in his second season.in a lot of ways cam is victim of his own success. that, and, well, racism.

 

[asuterlowe]

So a GM wastes money and talent on a crowded and under-utilized backfield and then in this offseason goes out and signs another rb in Tolbert and the Shark Pool mocks them for it relentlessly.

Then Carolina losses some games for a variety of reasons (mostly coaching but Cam certainly isn't blameless) and now Cam gets his GM fired? Are people forgetting that the owner pushed hard for Cam?

The idea that Cam, and Cam alone is the reason this team is losing is laughable. Against ATL the game was decided on a game winning field goal, Cam threw two TDs, ran another in and had no INTs. He also lead the team in rushing with 80ish yards. If Car won that game, would we be having this conversation?

I actually think the answer is yes, some people just really want this guy to fail

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Very disingenuous — has a fake smile

that's what I call a detailed scouting report.the part about the gm being fired was pretty prescient, though --- you gotta admit.that's the guy that should have a fantasy site.

 

[My Hope Street Alias]

The guy puts out a good product. Sure he overemphasizes character, and why wouldn't you?? Why give a guy a gazillion dollars if he's lazy??

I wonder if the Raiders read the scouting reports on Jamarcus Russell?

Sporting News college pre-draft publication that i have in print had a scathing review of Jamarcus that Spring, even following the big orange bowl win (over Notre Dame?) saying he had really bad mechanics, judgment, etc. The guy promised Jamarcus would bust in a big way (Before it was know the Raiders would be the team taking him) then it happened. Its very similar to above.

how is it similar? surely you arent calling newton a bust? or is it that he would start off hot and then regress? i guess that is spot on, but he went from one of the best rookies of all time to merely a high end starter in his second season.

in a lot of ways cam is victim of his own success. that, and, well, racism.

 

[JuniorNB]

The guy puts out a good product. Sure he overemphasizes character, and why wouldn't you?? Why give a guy a gazillion dollars if he's lazy??

I wonder if the Raiders read the scouting reports on Jamarcus Russell?

Sporting News college pre-draft publication that i have in print had a scathing review of Jamarcus that Spring, even following the big orange bowl win (over Notre Dame?) saying he had really bad mechanics, judgment, etc. The guy promised Jamarcus would bust in a big way (Before it was know the Raiders would be the team taking him) then it happened. Its very similar to above.

how is it similar? surely you arent calling newton a bust? or is it that he would start off hot and then regress? i guess that is spot on, but he went from one of the best rookies of all time to merely a high end starter in his second season.in a lot of ways cam is victim of his own success. that, and, well, racism.

High end?? Have you seen the standings? He hasn't regressed 'slightly'. It is significant. He's average, at best.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

The guy puts out a good product. Sure he overemphasizes character, and why wouldn't you?? Why give a guy a gazillion dollars if he's lazy??

I wonder if the Raiders read the scouting reports on Jamarcus Russell?

Sporting News college pre-draft publication that i have in print had a scathing review of Jamarcus that Spring, even following the big orange bowl win (over Notre Dame?) saying he had really bad mechanics, judgment, etc. The guy promised Jamarcus would bust in a big way (Before it was know the Raiders would be the team taking him) then it happened. Its very similar to above.

how is it similar? surely you arent calling newton a bust? or is it that he would start off hot and then regress? i guess that is spot on, but he went from one of the best rookies of all time to merely a high end starter in his second season.in a lot of ways cam is victim of his own success. that, and, well, racism.

High end?? Have you seen the standings? He hasn't regressed 'slightly'. It is significant. He's average, at best.

well, if you judge by standings, they were also 1-5 after the first 6 games last year.if you go by stats, I think he's probably pretty similar to what he did in the last 8 games of last year, minus a few td, and plus a few fumbles.that may not be drastic regression, but I suppose it's not that good when 4 of your 5 losses have been one score.I'd say a lot of the criticism that comes his way is mostly just from his douchey pressers and td celebrations.

 

[FDC]

Very disingenuous — has a fake smile

that's what I call a detailed scouting report.the part about the gm being fired was pretty prescient, though --- you gotta admit.that's the guy that should have a fantasy site.

Cam has a presser in which he speaks his mind and is honest = proof he has a fake smile

 

[QuizGuy66]

In terms of Carolina - I think the structure is too Cam-centric. That is not going to be ideal for his growth. You have an owner that is obviously impatient in Richardson - that won't help either. They need a stronger hand and more creative minds - there were better orgs for him to go to to channel his talents.

-QG

 

[QuizGuy66]

Lol I agree the fake smile stuff in that report was pretty harsh

-QG

 

[cracKer]

It seems like Newton was given the keys to the franchise and told to go get'em. It doesn't appear that he has the support system in place either on or off the field. He needs a life coach

 

[FDC]

It seems like Newton was given the keys to the franchise and told to go get'em.

What does this mean

 

[Concept Coop]

Lol I agree the fake smile stuff in that report was pretty harsh -QG

I don't mind harsh - be harsh. Just don't put yourself in someone's head and pretend to know them. That, and keep it to football. Don't make it personal, which this writer did. This guy calls the Heisman stained - how is that productive? How will that translate to the football field? The NCAA did a review and couldn't find reason to suspend Newton; but this guys KNOWS more than the NCAA, with far less resources available?He calls Cam a "fraud". Yeah...okay? Is he on roids? Did he cheat? Did he not win a Heisman and two national championships back-to-back? Do you know what fraud means? He claims he is late to meetings, when there are no reports of him being so.He calls him lazy, when there is plenty that suggests the opposite. This is the kind of stuff that I don't think is fair. If Cam isn't a great leader - which I think is fair to say - say that. Don't speculate on whether his smile is fake and suggest he goes out of his way to be on camera...you know, while he is on the sidelines with a towel over his head. He is what the public wants to see, thus, is what they show - did he ask for that? And Cam's celebration is "me first", when Aaron Rodgers does the same? Again, not fair. People want to point out one example of Cam doing it in garbage time, except that it was the first possession in the 2nd half, and a two possession game. Claim the guy isn't a leader, but he is very clearly not the mental midget that people rubbed the wrong way suggest. Look at his track record: he has faced plenty of adversity and produced. Him not being able to win NFL games, in his 2nd year, when the teams he lines up against are better coached and more talented, isn't much of a sign. He isn't putting up bad numbers for a 2nd year QB. Yet he's a bust, a head case, a failure, a GM killer, etcetera? It's simply not fair.