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Vick negotiating a deal for a plea bargain (1 Viewer)
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Ozymandias
Footballguy
Nothing new here. Of course they are engaged in negotiations. As Law and Order shows, it is part of the game.
Yes.J
thehornet
Footballguy
Most definately.
NO!
Ask your self these questions:
Ok do you want Mike Vick playing for your home team?
Do you want to go games that have 100's of protesters every week?
Does the NFL want to stain their Image Like that?
If Vick takes any plea he is done in the NFL. He will have admitted to Killing dogs, Gambling across state lines and telling lies to the commissioner and the public.
Ask your self these questions:
Ok do you want Mike Vick playing for your home team?
Do you want to go games that have 100's of protesters every week?
Does the NFL want to stain their Image Like that?
If Vick takes any plea he is done in the NFL. He will have admitted to Killing dogs, Gambling across state lines and telling lies to the commissioner and the public.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Looks like Vick is going to own up and accept some responsibility.
It's time to forgive him and move on. He's obviously learned a lot from this experience and will be a better human going forward.
I hope the prosecution deals fairly and he gets a 3 or so month sentence with probation.
Good luck Mike, your fans were let down, but you've shown a lot of maturity and i forgive you.
It's time to forgive him and move on. He's obviously learned a lot from this experience and will be a better human going forward.
I hope the prosecution deals fairly and he gets a 3 or so month sentence with probation.
Good luck Mike, your fans were let down, but you've shown a lot of maturity and i forgive you.
You must be joking.
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
I wonder if the Dogs he drowned and electricuted feel the same way as you do BEER.Hes done with a capital D...
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I am 100% certain that he'll play again. Has criminal behavior not resulting in a lengthy prison sentence (Rae Carrruth or Cecil Collins style) ever ended an NFL career? Vick will be back, and if he improves the team he plays for, he'll be embraced by the fans. Didn't Leonard Little kill someone driving drunk and get his job back?
zadok
Footballguy
No way in hell. He lied to the commish, to Blank, and then to the entire world when he told us "I am innocent of these charges". If he is ever allowed to play again, I will be royally POd.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
I'm not so sure. His skills at QB have been questioned for a while. Now he's no longer the fan draw that he once was. I'm not sure if, as an owner, it would be worth the potential headache. My
zadok
Footballguy
I'm trying to find the "ignore" function as we speak...
roadkill1292
Footballguy
B-Deep
Footballguy
I disagree Joe,I think this is the perfect time for the new get tough comish to send a message that no one is above his hammer. If there's anything gambling related in there at all i think vick gets the first lifetime ban just to prove a point.Just my thought's on what he will do.
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
Little did kill someone and continues to play. So did Ray Lewis errrr... The difference between them and Vick or even drug trafficer Jamal Lewis and Vick, is that a bunch of Peta and Humane Society people dont take up for those causes.
No team is going to want the headache for a very average QB. He is no longer going to be the guy a franchise is going to build a PR campaign around, sell shoes, etc, those types of things allow you to look past his average play. Once he has become radioactive, his only remaining quality from a business standpoint is his ability to win games, something that he is very average at.
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
I'd think much more of him if he just owned up.
Its one thing to make a mistake. Its another to accept responsibility.
Not that I'm willing to look the other way, its just that I am a firm believer in giving second chances if he can learn from his mistakes. Accepting one's shortcomings is an essential part of the maturing process and one that separates criminals from one time offenders.
Its one thing to make a mistake. Its another to accept responsibility.
Not that I'm willing to look the other way, its just that I am a firm believer in giving second chances if he can learn from his mistakes. Accepting one's shortcomings is an essential part of the maturing process and one that separates criminals from one time offenders.
thehornet
Footballguy
In response to your questions:1. Sure, why not. As stated before in other threads - some people don't think dog fighting is a big deal. He is a money maker as far as I am concerned.2. This will die down. It already has to a large degree. Once he accepts punishment - most of the PETA people will go find something else to do.3. As if there aren't worse human beings in the NFL. He is actually tame compared to some.4. He's not on trial for killing dogs buddy. It's gambling and a slew of other federal charges.
simey
Footballguy
you have got to be either is mother, brother, or lover.
happy_donut
Footballguy
I'm ok with it.
IMHO this would be limited/non-existent as the protest of the month changes. I'm not saying that what he did is not reprehensible, but rather that protesters are, in general, a fickle bunch.
A better question is, can the NFL make money with a player like that in the league. And my opinion is YES.
That's your opinion, and you are welcome to it. I disagree.I say Vick gets a slap on the wrist, pays his fine, and goes back to giving out VD to unsuspecting women while using an alias. You don't have to like the guy to accept that he's a great athlete who puts people in the seats.
You should actually read the indictment before you comment on it. Part b. on this page:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years...17072vick2.html
Banger
Footballguy
The prosecution is not going to let him plea to anything that does not involve him doing some time.Bank on it.
Angus82
Footballguy
IMO, if he pleads or is found guilty, he is done! This commish would not reinstate Odell Thurman and who knows about Ricky Williams. Beyond that point, the thing that seems to be flying under the radar is the gambling issue. Even before that NBA ref got busted, no major league wanted any association to gambling. The fact that Vick's career may or may not be over will probably be irrelevant. Dude is gonna' do time and missing one or two NFL years is HUGE.
Family Matters
Footballguy
Regardless of what pleas he may or may not take, he's done NFL wise. I can see a lifeim ban just based on the gambling aspects alone let alone the repulsive handling of the dogs. As far as the NFL is concerned, the gambling is an issue they won't leave alone and it will mroe than likely keep Vick from being allowed to associate with any NFL team ever again. Just ask Rose how that works.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
WTF ?Please tell me this is a joke.Mexico needs to be punished to the fullest extent of the law.... and this is coming from Ron Mexico.
thehornet
Footballguy
what is your point? That means nothing to me.
B-Deep
Footballguy
this one actually made me chuckle
Angus82
Footballguy
I tend to agree with you. I really believe that, as we speak, OJ is currently looking for the REAL KILLERS!!
greedygoat
Footballguy
I am a Miami Dolphin fan so,
What's Vick's leverage to get a deal from the feds? Does he have somebody even bigger or higher up in some gambling or drug ring to give up? Vick's buddies throw him under the bus for lighter raps, who does Vick throw down for his?
If the AJC article is correct, then why would the feds want to let him deal if they've got him dead to rights and are ready with some even greater indictiments?
If the AJC article is correct, then why would the feds want to let him deal if they've got him dead to rights and are ready with some even greater indictiments?
thehornet
Footballguy
first off - you quoted the wrong page before. And secondly, that's not a charge dope! It's part of the ongoing investigation stated in the indictment.
caglassc
President James Madison - Football Guru
It's just a sad story no matter how you portray it. I suppose that Ray Lewis has recovered from his legal troubles - maybe not to the extent before his troubles started - the same could be said for other sports celebs like Kobe Bryant. You could argue that their legal issues don't affect fans as personally as Vick's and that in turn could mean some could be less forgiving.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
I tend to agree only in that it's obvious that if you have any talent at all, you will be given a shot, and a second shot and third shot and on and on.Having said that, if I own a team, he isn't playing for me. And if I was Goodell, I'm banning him for life to let my superstars know that they aren't as important as the league. I'll take my chances in civil court when he tries to compel his ability to play again.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
I think Vick will be on a roster of an NFL team again, assuming he isn't agreeing to a too long prison sentence. Not sure if he'll start anywhere again.
He won't get a lifetime ban.
He won't get a lifetime ban.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Maybe they'll dress his o-line in Beef: It's what's for dinner T-shirts and fur coats to distract PETA.Seriously, though:
A.) People have short memories. In a year or two some celeb will wear a fur coat on the red carpet somewhere and get people worked up, while Vick will be old news.
B.) Groups like PETA are far enough toward the fringe that most regular people see them as extremists. Not a huge PR hit as compared to the ability of Vick to put people in the stands. Say what you will about his QBing ability, he is absolutely one of the more exciting players in the game.
1st off LRN2READ I did not post the 1st link..... DOPE! LOL
BoulderBob
Footballguy
If the commish doesn't give Vick a lifetime ban, some owner will sign him up. Without question, imo...
CrossEyed
Footballguy
True. Al Davis comes to mind.
Accepting a plea bargain because you're painted in to a corner and almost guaranteed to be convicted at trial is not "owning up". The time for that has long passed. Any moves Vick makes now have nothing to do with "learning from his mistakes" and everything to do with self preservation.
thehornet
Footballguy
No worries - but honestly, my opinion stands and I think he'll be back in the NFL next year at the earliest. Is the guy a scumbag? IYa probably. Would i like him on my team if I'm an owner? Ya probably. The guy is a spectacle to watch on the football field and people will pay to watch see him perform. He is in the true form- a Superstar. i dont think 100 PETA people outside a stadium are going to stop 65 thousand Falcons Football fans from filling those seats, baby!!
Your inability to read is not my problem, but it basically says The grand Jury charges that Vick conspired to commit some crimes including (this was on the first page) -> part b. exhibiting an animal in an animal fighting venture.In other words he was fighting dogs and a guilty plea would be admitting to it.
Al Davis just got a franchise QB, if he can sign him. He isn't likely to be going anywhere near Vick.
If this ever happens i will be shocked!! How the hell can they let him off for just this!!!!~!! I will vote out anyone close to being near this decison that I can if this ever goes down like this!!!
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