Vick negotiating a deal for a plea bargain (1 Viewer)

[ookook]

I would speculte he will plea for 2 to 3 years on charges that do not include gambling. Of that, he will serve 18 months to 2 years.

I do not think he will get a lifetime ban. If I were Goodell, I would suspend him for 2 years. 1 for the charges (2 if he had not pleaded) and one for conduct code for lying.

Owners would hire him.

 

[j3r3m3y]

He gets suspended for the season and does absolutely no jail time. Then comes back next year and plays for the team Atlanta trades him to.

I have seen nothing that leads me to believe it is likely he does no jail time. Feds play hardball.

 

[riverrat]

He gets suspended for the season and does absolutely no jail time. Then comes back next year and plays for the team Atlanta trades him to.

He'll do 6 months to a year. The NFL bans him but allows him to re-apply the winter after his sentence is done. He plays it clean and is allowed back in. Some team (Raiders) takes a flyer on him as a back-up.

 

[Mr. Bill O'Reilly]

Looks like Vick is going to own up and accept some responsibility.It's time to forgive him and move on. He's obviously learned a lot from this experience and will be a better human going forward.I hope the prosecution deals fairly and he gets a 3 or so month sentence with probation.Good luck Mike, your fans were let down, but you've shown a lot of maturity and i forgive you.

I wonder if the Dogs he drowned and electricuted feel the same way as you do BEER.Hes done with a capital D...

They're DOGS! NOT PEOPLE! Not even real dogs, but pit bulls that ARE bread TO FIGHT. They are agressive and dangerous animals. You people act like he was the leader of an underground child prostitution ring or something. When people equate animals to humans, there is something wrong with that person. Sure pets can become sentimental, but they're just animals, and one could argue it's cruel that you keep animals as pets and they should be free... So as far as I'm concerned all you pet owners are on par with slave traders.Good day, sirs!

OK, but whats next? After we allow or tolorete things like in that indicment to take place whats comes next when these people in years to come become board with just watching Dogs rip each other apart to the death? They will want more and before you know it HUMANS will take the place of these dogs..and you better beleive this can and will happen...actually being a realist it is very likely to be happening somewhere in this world now..but when the day comes that our children can go around the corner in this country inside locked doors and watch to human beings fight to the death has to make one think about what our future holds for them?

See boxing?Better yet, maybe the NFL will wise up and support dog fighting, they can clean the sport up. the NFL can donate shoulder pads and helmets for the dogs to wear to help protect them Like I said before, the NFL makes billions of dollars off of violence... You can make a million arguments and I don't have the time, but if Michael Vick does his time I don't see how he's not back in the NFL. The only thing I'm disappointed in is that he broke the law. The law is the law, if you agree with it or not. He broke the law he should pay a price, but 5 years would be ridiculous. Like Vick or not he's a person and thus > dog(s). A million dogs isn't worth a half hour of a humans life in jail. Good day, sirs!!

Boxers and NFL players have the free will to decide whether or not to enter the ring to fight and they are compensated for that decision. Dogs don't get to choose whether or not they fight.

So, you're saying the dogs didn't make the choice to attack each other? Is there some sort of electronic muscle suit that makes them do it? Radio controlled dog fighting!!! Dogs get food and shelter for fighting right? But by your same (flawless) logic animals that are in captivity are basically slaves, correct? They can't leave, they're forced to live there and not be free to live in nature and (gasp) eat other animals!You probably have a dog and had it neutered you sicko!

 

[Angus82]

Looks like Vick is going to own up and accept some responsibility.It's time to forgive him and move on. He's obviously learned a lot from this experience and will be a better human going forward.I hope the prosecution deals fairly and he gets a 3 or so month sentence with probation.Good luck Mike, your fans were let down, but you've shown a lot of maturity and i forgive you.

I wonder if the Dogs he drowned and electricuted feel the same way as you do BEER.Hes done with a capital D...

They're DOGS! NOT PEOPLE! Not even real dogs, but pit bulls that ARE bread TO FIGHT. They are aggressive and dangerous animals. You people act like he was the leader of an underground child prostitution ring or something. When people equate animals to humans, there is something wrong with that person. Sure pets can become sentimental, but they're just animals, and one could argue it's cruel that you keep animals as pets and they should be free... So as far as I'm concerned all you pet owners are on par with slave traders.Good day, sirs!

If you take people and deprive them of food and lock them in cages (like some prisons?), do you think that they might be a little bit more aggressive than they average civilian? What Mike and his partners are accused of is ILLEGAL!! Child porn, slavery, or dealing drugs. Your level of what is wrong is irrelevant. Dog-fighting and interstate gambling is illegal. Laws are laws and if you break them you should pay.

 

[Mr. Bill O'Reilly]

Looks like Vick is going to own up and accept some responsibility.It's time to forgive him and move on. He's obviously learned a lot from this experience and will be a better human going forward.I hope the prosecution deals fairly and he gets a 3 or so month sentence with probation.Good luck Mike, your fans were let down, but you've shown a lot of maturity and i forgive you.

I wonder if the Dogs he drowned and electricuted feel the same way as you do BEER.Hes done with a capital D...

They're DOGS! NOT PEOPLE! Not even real dogs, but pit bulls that ARE bread TO FIGHT. They are aggressive and dangerous animals. You people act like he was the leader of an underground child prostitution ring or something. When people equate animals to humans, there is something wrong with that person. Sure pets can become sentimental, but they're just animals, and one could argue it's cruel that you keep animals as pets and they should be free... So as far as I'm concerned all you pet owners are on par with slave traders.Good day, sirs!

If you take people and deprive them of food and lock them in cages (like some prisons?), do you think that they might be a little bit more aggressive than they average civilian? What Mike and his partners are accused of is ILLEGAL!! Child porn, slavery, or dealing drugs. Your level of what is wrong is irrelevant. Dog-fighting and interstate gambling is illegal. Laws are laws and if you break them you should pay.

I agree he should do some time for breaking the law, but unlike you I can differentiate raping a child and fighting some animals... I guess that's because I'm not ######ed?

 

[Mungo Burrows]

One thing to consider is that the suspension could make him unhirable, even if it's not a lifetime ban.

Say Goodell hands down a 2 year suspension. Meanwhile, Blank immediately cuts him after the conviction for violating his morals clause (and files for repayment of many millions of bonus dollars too and gets cap credit if he recoups any).

Then once he gets out of the big house with a minimum of 2 seasons (2007 and 2008) already lost, anyone who signs him will have to drag him on the roster for the duration of his suspension. The clock won't run on his suspension if the falcons cut him. It won't restart until he is resigned, and noone will sign him knowing he won't be able to play for at least another 2 years. He couldn't play until the 2011 season at the earliest, and that's if he manages to get off with only 1 year in prison. For every additional year of time he does, push it out another year.

A 2 year suspension would be, in effect, a lifetime ban.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Looks like Vick is going to own up and accept some responsibility.It's time to forgive him and move on. He's obviously learned a lot from this experience and will be a better human going forward.I hope the prosecution deals fairly and he gets a 3 or so month sentence with probation.Good luck Mike, your fans were let down, but you've shown a lot of maturity and i forgive you.

I wonder if the Dogs he drowned and electricuted feel the same way as you do BEER.Hes done with a capital D...

They're DOGS! NOT PEOPLE! Not even real dogs, but pit bulls that ARE bread TO FIGHT. They are agressive and dangerous animals. You people act like he was the leader of an underground child prostitution ring or something. When people equate animals to humans, there is something wrong with that person. Sure pets can become sentimental, but they're just animals, and one could argue it's cruel that you keep animals as pets and they should be free... So as far as I'm concerned all you pet owners are on par with slave traders.Good day, sirs!

OK, but whats next? After we allow or tolorete things like in that indicment to take place whats comes next when these people in years to come become board with just watching Dogs rip each other apart to the death? They will want more and before you know it HUMANS will take the place of these dogs..and you better beleive this can and will happen...actually being a realist it is very likely to be happening somewhere in this world now..but when the day comes that our children can go around the corner in this country inside locked doors and watch to human beings fight to the death has to make one think about what our future holds for them?

See boxing?Better yet, maybe the NFL will wise up and support dog fighting, they can clean the sport up. the NFL can donate shoulder pads and helmets for the dogs to wear to help protect them Like I said before, the NFL makes billions of dollars off of violence... You can make a million arguments and I don't have the time, but if Michael Vick does his time I don't see how he's not back in the NFL. The only thing I'm disappointed in is that he broke the law. The law is the law, if you agree with it or not. He broke the law he should pay a price, but 5 years would be ridiculous. Like Vick or not he's a person and thus > dog(s). A million dogs isn't worth a half hour of a humans life in jail. Good day, sirs!!

Boxers and NFL players have the free will to decide whether or not to enter the ring to fight and they are compensated for that decision. Dogs don't get to choose whether or not they fight.

So, you're saying the dogs didn't make the choice to attack each other? Is there some sort of electronic muscle suit that makes them do it? Radio controlled dog fighting!!! Dogs get food and shelter for fighting right? But by your same (flawless) logic animals that are in captivity are basically slaves, correct? They can't leave, they're forced to live there and not be free to live in nature and (gasp) eat other animals!You probably have a dog and had it neutered you sicko!

No they don't have the free will. The dogs either fight or they are killed by their owners. They can't one day decide, "I don't want to fight today, I think I'll retire." They are bred and trained for a single purpose. They don't get to choose. And no, I don't have any animals.

 

[nygiants56]

So will he play in the NFL again?

Yes.J

not a chance. He's played his last game in the NFL. copping a plea deal is an admission of guilt. Many lawyers are already saying he's most definitely going to do some hard time, measured in years, not days/months..

admitting he's guilty to cop a plea deal, causes a snowball affect with the NFL and in particular, the PR relations, as he is now and will forever be, a PR nightmare . Mike Vick will never overcome the stigma associated with this dog fighting ring.. NO NFL team in its right mind, would ever want to hire him after pleading guilty to it..

not only will sponsors pull out of the home stadium that he plays in, but the ASPCA and PETA will be on their doorstep every single day, and they NEVER give up their cause, so they'll be around until Vick is gone..think GreenPeace on legs..tree huggers...its a media nightmare.

in no way, will Mike Vick ever play another game in the NFL.

 

[PatsFanCT]

He gets suspended for the season and does absolutely no jail time. Then comes back next year and plays for the team Atlanta trades him to.

I have seen nothing that leads me to believe it is likely he does no jail time. Feds play hardball.

Qyntel Woods got 80 hours of community service and donated $10,000 to the Humane Society for roughly (pun intended) the same charge three years ago. And he wasn't even a superstar in the NBA.

 

[Stealthycat]

They're DOGS! NOT PEOPLE! Not even real dogs, but pit bulls that ARE bread TO FIGHT. They are aggressive and dangerous animals. You people act like he was the leader of an underground child prostitution ring or something. When people equate animals to humans, there is something wrong with that person. Sure pets can become sentimental, but they're just animals, and one could argue it's cruel that you keep animals as pets and they should be free... So as far as I'm concerned all you pet owners are on par with slave traders.

I agree with you, dogs are NOT humans. I hate when people equate killing a dog to murder - vastly different thing. Most anti-Vick people and such here are pro-abortion - they got no problems with condoning the killing of innocent unborn babies, but dang it don't fight a dog !That said, do not condone what Vick did, cruelty to animals is uncalled for, and anyone doing it is seriously screwed up in the brain. We are the caretakers of animals, they are here for humans to use but NOT to abuse.Vick should go to prison, on top of losing his career and endorsement, and an example should be set that the people of the US will not accept , condone, or allow dog fighting. I agree with the hammer down on Vick 100%

 

[j3r3m3y]

He gets suspended for the season and does absolutely no jail time. Then comes back next year and plays for the team Atlanta trades him to.

I have seen nothing that leads me to believe it is likely he does no jail time. Feds play hardball.

Qyntel Woods got 80 hours of community service and donated $10,000 to the Humane Society for roughly (pun intended) the same charge three years ago. And he wasn't even a superstar in the NBA.

I am too lazy to google, but if he was prosecuted by the feds it was a misdemeanor then and is a felony now. And if he was not prosecuted by the feds it is not a comparable situation.

 

[drummer]

Looks like Vick is going to own up and accept some responsibility.It's time to forgive him and move on. He's obviously learned a lot from this experience and will be a better human going forward.I hope the prosecution deals fairly and he gets a 3 or so month sentence with probation.Good luck Mike, your fans were let down, but you've shown a lot of maturity and i forgive you.

I wonder if the Dogs he drowned and electricuted feel the same way as you do BEER.Hes done with a capital D...

They're DOGS! NOT PEOPLE! Not even real dogs, but pit bulls that ARE bread TO FIGHT. They are aggressive and dangerous animals. You people act like he was the leader of an underground child prostitution ring or something. When people equate animals to humans, there is something wrong with that person. Sure pets can become sentimental, but they're just animals, and one could argue it's cruel that you keep animals as pets and they should be free... So as far as I'm concerned all you pet owners are on par with slave traders.Good day, sirs!

If you take people and deprive them of food and lock them in cages (like some prisons?), do you think that they might be a little bit more aggressive than they average civilian? What Mike and his partners are accused of is ILLEGAL!! Child porn, slavery, or dealing drugs. Your level of what is wrong is irrelevant. Dog-fighting and interstate gambling is illegal. Laws are laws and if you break them you should pay.

I agree he should do some time for breaking the law, but unlike you I can differentiate raping a child and fighting some animals... I guess that's because I'm not ######ed?

My observation from reading your posts is that you're more than ######ed.

 

[Mr. Bill O'Reilly]

I guess that's what separates us from the animals... Animals can't control themselves. You're right pit bulls are bred and trained to kill animals such as wild boars and bears. The point is nobody is physically making them fight each other, they do what comes natural. You can starve me and put me in a cage with another person and I'm not going to try and kill that person. What is the point? What benefit would a dog get out of fighting another dog? They don't think they'll get on the cover of a wheaties box. But whatever I have to go to class, if I were you I'd be thankful that the government looks after people like you instead of spencer's survival of the fittest

 

[PatsFanCT]

So will he play in the NFL again?

Yes.J

not a chance. He's played his last game in the NFL. copping a plea deal is an admission of guilt. Many lawyers are already saying he's most definitely going to do some hard time, measured in years, not days/months..

admitting he's guilty to cop a plea deal, causes a snowball affect with the NFL and in particular, the PR relations, as he is now and will forever be, a PR nightmare . Mike Vick will never overcome the stigma associated with this dog fighting ring.. NO NFL team in its right mind, would ever want to hire him after pleading guilty to it..the amount

not only will sponsors pull out of the home stadium that he plays in, but the ASPCA and PETA will be on their doorstep every single day, and they NEVER give up their cause, so they'll be around until Vick is gone..think GreenPeace on legs..

in no way, will Mike Vick ever play another game in the NFL.

You can plead guilty without admitting guilt.

 

[j3r3m3y]

So will he play in the NFL again?

Yes.J

not a chance. He's played his last game in the NFL. copping a plea deal is an admission of guilt. Many lawyers are already saying he's most definitely going to do some hard time, measured in years, not days/months..

admitting he's guilty to cop a plea deal, causes a snowball affect with the NFL and in particular, the PR relations, as he is now and will forever be, a PR nightmare . Mike Vick will never overcome the stigma associated with this dog fighting ring.. NO NFL team in its right mind, would ever want to hire him after pleading guilty to it..the amount

not only will sponsors pull out of the home stadium that he plays in, but the ASPCA and PETA will be on their doorstep every single day, and they NEVER give up their cause, so they'll be around until Vick is gone..think GreenPeace on legs..

in no way, will Mike Vick ever play another game in the NFL.

You can plead guilty without admitting guilt.

If the prosecution has a solid case against you a plea will usually require an allocation of guilt. Or so my law talking buddy tells me.

 

[zadok]

So will he play in the NFL again?

Yes.J

not a chance. He's played his last game in the NFL. copping a plea deal is an admission of guilt. Many lawyers are already saying he's most definitely going to do some hard time, measured in years, not days/months..

admitting he's guilty to cop a plea deal, causes a snowball affect with the NFL and in particular, the PR relations, as he is now and will forever be, a PR nightmare . Mike Vick will never overcome the stigma associated with this dog fighting ring.. NO NFL team in its right mind, would ever want to hire him after pleading guilty to it..the amount

not only will sponsors pull out of the home stadium that he plays in, but the ASPCA and PETA will be on their doorstep every single day, and they NEVER give up their cause, so they'll be around until Vick is gone..think GreenPeace on legs..

in no way, will Mike Vick ever play another game in the NFL.

You can plead guilty without admitting guilt.

 

[Snotbubbles]

So will he play in the NFL again?

Yes.J

not a chance. He's played his last game in the NFL. copping a plea deal is an admission of guilt. Many lawyers are already saying he's most definitely going to do some hard time, measured in years, not days/months..

admitting he's guilty to cop a plea deal, causes a snowball affect with the NFL and in particular, the PR relations, as he is now and will forever be, a PR nightmare . Mike Vick will never overcome the stigma associated with this dog fighting ring.. NO NFL team in its right mind, would ever want to hire him after pleading guilty to it..the amount

not only will sponsors pull out of the home stadium that he plays in, but the ASPCA and PETA will be on their doorstep every single day, and they NEVER give up their cause, so they'll be around until Vick is gone..think GreenPeace on legs..

in no way, will Mike Vick ever play another game in the NFL.

You can plead guilty without admitting guilt.

nolo contendere

 

[j3r3m3y]

So will he play in the NFL again?

Yes.J

not a chance. He's played his last game in the NFL. copping a plea deal is an admission of guilt. Many lawyers are already saying he's most definitely going to do some hard time, measured in years, not days/months..

admitting he's guilty to cop a plea deal, causes a snowball affect with the NFL and in particular, the PR relations, as he is now and will forever be, a PR nightmare . Mike Vick will never overcome the stigma associated with this dog fighting ring.. NO NFL team in its right mind, would ever want to hire him after pleading guilty to it..the amount

not only will sponsors pull out of the home stadium that he plays in, but the ASPCA and PETA will be on their doorstep every single day, and they NEVER give up their cause, so they'll be around until Vick is gone..think GreenPeace on legs..

in no way, will Mike Vick ever play another game in the NFL.

You can plead guilty without admitting guilt.

I think what he meant was it is possible to plea bargain with a plea of "no contest". But from what I have been told it does not happen often.

 

[Tommy Collins]

So will he play in the NFL again?

Yes.J

not a chance. He's played his last game in the NFL. copping a plea deal is an admission of guilt. Many lawyers are already saying he's most definitely going to do some hard time, measured in years, not days/months..

admitting he's guilty to cop a plea deal, causes a snowball affect with the NFL and in particular, the PR relations, as he is now and will forever be, a PR nightmare . Mike Vick will never overcome the stigma associated with this dog fighting ring.. NO NFL team in its right mind, would ever want to hire him after pleading guilty to it..the amount

not only will sponsors pull out of the home stadium that he plays in, but the ASPCA and PETA will be on their doorstep every single day, and they NEVER give up their cause, so they'll be around until Vick is gone..think GreenPeace on legs..

in no way, will Mike Vick ever play another game in the NFL.

You can plead guilty without admitting guilt.

Not sure if you realize what he means. It's called 'No Contest' which was designed to basically plead guilty in a criminal court but not have that plea used against you in civil court. So essentially it's a guilty plea but would require an all new trial for civil court.

 

[mad sweeney]

He gets suspended for the season and does absolutely no jail time. Then comes back next year and plays for the team Atlanta trades him to.

He'll do 6 months to a year. The NFL bans him but allows him to re-apply the winter after his sentence is done. He plays it clean and is allowed back in. Some team (Raiders) takes a flyer on him as a back-up.

All you guys saying he'll get 1 year and do 6 months of it, I have a question. Where are you pulling that out of? They have him dead to rights with 4 witnesses and 3 plea deals to testify against him. For the charges he's up against he's looking at 5 years. On top of that they have further charges to file, including most likely RICO charges for interstate gambling. The further charges can carry more 5 year senteces and RICO could be up to 20 years. Now, for a court that has an above 90% conviction rate for cases going to trial and you have all this evidence going in your favor, what possible reason would they have to give him a deal that puts him in jail for less than a year and possibly resuming his lucrative football career? I'm not trying to say you're wrong, but what reasoning or logic do you apply to state that he'll do less than a year when all the odds are in the prosecutors favor to put him in for anywhere from 5-20+ years?

 

[cartel]

So will he play in the NFL again?

Yes.J

not a chance. He's played his last game in the NFL. copping a plea deal is an admission of guilt. Many lawyers are already saying he's most definitely going to do some hard time, measured in years, not days/months..

admitting he's guilty to cop a plea deal, causes a snowball affect with the NFL and in particular, the PR relations, as he is now and will forever be, a PR nightmare . Mike Vick will never overcome the stigma associated with this dog fighting ring.. NO NFL team in its right mind, would ever want to hire him after pleading guilty to it..the amount

not only will sponsors pull out of the home stadium that he plays in, but the ASPCA and PETA will be on their doorstep every single day, and they NEVER give up their cause, so they'll be around until Vick is gone..think GreenPeace on legs..

in no way, will Mike Vick ever play another game in the NFL.

You can plead guilty without admitting guilt.

I think what he meant was it is possible to plea bargain with a plea of "no contest". But from what I have been told it does not happen often.

I am not sure why everyone is so concerned about PETA. They also picket AVON and as far as I know people still buy beauty products. I guess it does bother me a lot that someone can kill another human while driving a vehicle drunk (L Little) and face less of consequence then someone who was cruel to dogs. Vick is a thug and not a great human being but so are a lot of these other idiots in the NFL/NBA/MLB etc...

 

[j3r3m3y]

So will he play in the NFL again?

Yes.J

not a chance. He's played his last game in the NFL. copping a plea deal is an admission of guilt. Many lawyers are already saying he's most definitely going to do some hard time, measured in years, not days/months..

admitting he's guilty to cop a plea deal, causes a snowball affect with the NFL and in particular, the PR relations, as he is now and will forever be, a PR nightmare . Mike Vick will never overcome the stigma associated with this dog fighting ring.. NO NFL team in its right mind, would ever want to hire him after pleading guilty to it..the amount

not only will sponsors pull out of the home stadium that he plays in, but the ASPCA and PETA will be on their doorstep every single day, and they NEVER give up their cause, so they'll be around until Vick is gone..think GreenPeace on legs..

in no way, will Mike Vick ever play another game in the NFL.

You can plead guilty without admitting guilt.

Not sure if you realize what he means. It's called 'No Contest' which was designed to basically plead guilty in a criminal court but not have that plea used against you in civil court. So essentially it's a guilty plea but would require an all new trial for civil court.

Not exactly true. A plea of no contest is treated by the court as a guilty plea, but you never admit guilt. So you can not plea "guilty" without admitting guilt. You can plead "no contest" instead.Semantics, but he was still wrong.

 

[j3r3m3y]

He gets suspended for the season and does absolutely no jail time. Then comes back next year and plays for the team Atlanta trades him to.

He'll do 6 months to a year. The NFL bans him but allows him to re-apply the winter after his sentence is done. He plays it clean and is allowed back in. Some team (Raiders) takes a flyer on him as a back-up.

All you guys saying he'll get 1 year and do 6 months of it, I have a question. Where are you pulling that out of? They have him dead to rights with 4 witnesses and 3 plea deals to testify against him. For the charges he's up against he's looking at 5 years. On top of that they have further charges to file, including most likely RICO charges for interstate gambling. The further charges can carry more 5 year senteces and RICO could be up to 20 years. Now, for a court that has an above 90% conviction rate for cases going to trial and you have all this evidence going in your favor, what possible reason would they have to give him a deal that puts him in jail for less than a year and possibly resuming his lucrative football career? I'm not trying to say you're wrong, but what reasoning or logic do you apply to state that he'll do less than a year when all the odds are in the prosecutors favor to put him in for anywhere from 5-20+ years?

The prosecution has the upper hand in these negotiations. Vick is coming to them with his tail between his legs.

 

[Snotbubbles]

So will he play in the NFL again?

Yes.J

not a chance. He's played his last game in the NFL. copping a plea deal is an admission of guilt. Many lawyers are already saying he's most definitely going to do some hard time, measured in years, not days/months..

admitting he's guilty to cop a plea deal, causes a snowball affect with the NFL and in particular, the PR relations, as he is now and will forever be, a PR nightmare . Mike Vick will never overcome the stigma associated with this dog fighting ring.. NO NFL team in its right mind, would ever want to hire him after pleading guilty to it..the amount

not only will sponsors pull out of the home stadium that he plays in, but the ASPCA and PETA will be on their doorstep every single day, and they NEVER give up their cause, so they'll be around until Vick is gone..think GreenPeace on legs..

in no way, will Mike Vick ever play another game in the NFL.

You can plead guilty without admitting guilt.

I think what he meant was it is possible to plea bargain with a plea of "no contest". But from what I have been told it does not happen often.

I am not sure why everyone is so concerned about PETA. They also picket AVON and as far as I know people still buy beauty products. I guess it does bother me a lot that someone can kill another human while driving a vehicle drunk (L Little) and face less of consequence then someone who was cruel to dogs. Vick is a thug and not a great human being but so are a lot of these other idiots in the NFL/NBA/MLB etc...

It's called intent. When Little got in the car, what did he intend to do? When Vick bred the dogs, what did he intend to do? See the difference.

 

[perry147]

I want the MORAL outrage to blacklist him from the NFL for life.

I wonder how those dogs felt before being put into the pit.

I wonder what they felt like while being slammed into the ground when they lost the fight.

I wonder how much pain they were in.

I wonder how many dog he drowned or electrocuted.

I wonder how many puppies he took and feed alive to the pit bulls.

I wonder how those dogs felt.

 

[PatsFanCT]

So will he play in the NFL again?

Yes.J

not a chance. He's played his last game in the NFL. copping a plea deal is an admission of guilt. Many lawyers are already saying he's most definitely going to do some hard time, measured in years, not days/months..

admitting he's guilty to cop a plea deal, causes a snowball affect with the NFL and in particular, the PR relations, as he is now and will forever be, a PR nightmare . Mike Vick will never overcome the stigma associated with this dog fighting ring.. NO NFL team in its right mind, would ever want to hire him after pleading guilty to it..the amount

not only will sponsors pull out of the home stadium that he plays in, but the ASPCA and PETA will be on their doorstep every single day, and they NEVER give up their cause, so they'll be around until Vick is gone..think GreenPeace on legs..

in no way, will Mike Vick ever play another game in the NFL.

You can plead guilty without admitting guilt.

"What do you mean, I'm funny?...You mean the way I talk?...What's funny about it?...What the f--k is so funny about me? Tell me?..."

 

[cartel]

So will he play in the NFL again?

Yes.J

not a chance. He's played his last game in the NFL. copping a plea deal is an admission of guilt. Many lawyers are already saying he's most definitely going to do some hard time, measured in years, not days/months..

admitting he's guilty to cop a plea deal, causes a snowball affect with the NFL and in particular, the PR relations, as he is now and will forever be, a PR nightmare . Mike Vick will never overcome the stigma associated with this dog fighting ring.. NO NFL team in its right mind, would ever want to hire him after pleading guilty to it..the amount

not only will sponsors pull out of the home stadium that he plays in, but the ASPCA and PETA will be on their doorstep every single day, and they NEVER give up their cause, so they'll be around until Vick is gone..think GreenPeace on legs..

in no way, will Mike Vick ever play another game in the NFL.

You can plead guilty without admitting guilt.

I think what he meant was it is possible to plea bargain with a plea of "no contest". But from what I have been told it does not happen often.

I am not sure why everyone is so concerned about PETA. They also picket AVON and as far as I know people still buy beauty products. I guess it does bother me a lot that someone can kill another human while driving a vehicle drunk (L Little) and face less of consequence then someone who was cruel to dogs. Vick is a thug and not a great human being but so are a lot of these other idiots in the NFL/NBA/MLB etc...

It's called intent. When Little got in the car, what did he intend to do? When Vick bred the dogs, what did he intend to do? See the difference.

You are joking. When you are getting drunk and driving it shows reckless disreguard for those around you. Someone died. That affects that person, his family and his friends. Sorry but in my world that is at least as bad as torturing/killing dogs. Let's not even mention the fact that after he killed someone drunk driving he was later arrested for the same thing. This shows no remorse IMO. Little should have gotten at least the same jail time and suspension as Vick and IMO it should have been longer.

 

[drummer]

So will he play in the NFL again?

Yes.J

not a chance. He's played his last game in the NFL. copping a plea deal is an admission of guilt. Many lawyers are already saying he's most definitely going to do some hard time, measured in years, not days/months..

admitting he's guilty to cop a plea deal, causes a snowball affect with the NFL and in particular, the PR relations, as he is now and will forever be, a PR nightmare . Mike Vick will never overcome the stigma associated with this dog fighting ring.. NO NFL team in its right mind, would ever want to hire him after pleading guilty to it..the amount

not only will sponsors pull out of the home stadium that he plays in, but the ASPCA and PETA will be on their doorstep every single day, and they NEVER give up their cause, so they'll be around until Vick is gone..think GreenPeace on legs..

in no way, will Mike Vick ever play another game in the NFL.

You can plead guilty without admitting guilt.

I think what he meant was it is possible to plea bargain with a plea of "no contest". But from what I have been told it does not happen often.

I am not sure why everyone is so concerned about PETA. They also picket AVON and as far as I know people still buy beauty products. I guess it does bother me a lot that someone can kill another human while driving a vehicle drunk (L Little) and face less of consequence then someone who was cruel to dogs. Vick is a thug and not a great human being but so are a lot of these other idiots in the NFL/NBA/MLB etc...

It's called intent. When Little got in the car, what did he intend to do? When Vick bred the dogs, what did he intend to do? See the difference.

You are joking. When you are getting drunk and driving it shows reckless disreguard for those around you. Someone died. That affects that person, his family and his friends. Sorry but in my world that is at least as bad as torturing/killing dogs. Let's not even mention the fact that after he killed someone drunk driving he was later arrested for the same thing. This shows no remorse IMO. Little should have gotten at least the same jail time and suspension as Vick and IMO it should have been longer.

Didn't Little get arrested again for a DUI a few years after he killed someone?

 

[cartel]

They're DOGS! NOT PEOPLE! Not even real dogs, but pit bulls that ARE bread TO FIGHT. They are aggressive and dangerous animals. You people act like he was the leader of an underground child prostitution ring or something. When people equate animals to humans, there is something wrong with that person. Sure pets can become sentimental, but they're just animals, and one could argue it's cruel that you keep animals as pets and they should be free... So as far as I'm concerned all you pet owners are on par with slave traders.

I agree with you, dogs are NOT humans. I hate when people equate killing a dog to murder - vastly different thing. Most anti-Vick people and such here are pro-abortion - they got no problems with condoning the killing of innocent unborn babies, but dang it don't fight a dog !That said, do not condone what Vick did, cruelty to animals is uncalled for, and anyone doing it is seriously screwed up in the brain. We are the caretakers of animals, they are here for humans to use but NOT to abuse.

Vick should go to prison, on top of losing his career and endorsement, and an example should be set that the people of the US will not accept , condone, or allow dog fighting. I agree with the hammer down on Vick 100%

Perhaps you need to take this to FFA as a poll question. I have a feeling ones feelings toward Vick have little to do with whether or not you care about abortion and more to do with whether or not you own the clown job.

 

[David Yudkin]

So will he play in the NFL again?

Yes.J

Disagree. IMO Goodell will take the plea as an admission of guilt. He be suspended at least this season. He will still have a year of jail time. And any slips while on probation will incur an adidtional year's suspension. With all the nagative press, him being out of football shpe after prison, and his never being a very good QB, I doubt any team takes a chnace on him.

I haven't read the whole thread, but I wonder if Vick could serve jail time concurrent with his suspension. In theory, those two served concurrently would only cost him a year.If the Falcons cut Vick (assuming they could without monetary implications like getting their signing bonus money back), I am not sure if Vick could serve a suspension while not under contract. That in itself would certainly deter a team from signing him. I nelieve the CBA allows the team cap relief for players under suspension, but I don't know the implications if they opted to flat out release him while under suspension.That's part of the problem right now for Antonio Bryant. He still is suspended so IIRC he will have to miss two games if he signs with a new team (unless he gets credit toward his suspension in missing the first two games of the year regardless of his contract status). But I do not believe that you can complete a suspension when you are not even on a team.

 

[cartel]

So will he play in the NFL again?

Yes.J

not a chance. He's played his last game in the NFL. copping a plea deal is an admission of guilt. Many lawyers are already saying he's most definitely going to do some hard time, measured in years, not days/months..

admitting he's guilty to cop a plea deal, causes a snowball affect with the NFL and in particular, the PR relations, as he is now and will forever be, a PR nightmare . Mike Vick will never overcome the stigma associated with this dog fighting ring.. NO NFL team in its right mind, would ever want to hire him after pleading guilty to it..the amount

not only will sponsors pull out of the home stadium that he plays in, but the ASPCA and PETA will be on their doorstep every single day, and they NEVER give up their cause, so they'll be around until Vick is gone..think GreenPeace on legs..

in no way, will Mike Vick ever play another game in the NFL.

You can plead guilty without admitting guilt.

I think what he meant was it is possible to plea bargain with a plea of "no contest". But from what I have been told it does not happen often.

I am not sure why everyone is so concerned about PETA. They also picket AVON and as far as I know people still buy beauty products. I guess it does bother me a lot that someone can kill another human while driving a vehicle drunk (L Little) and face less of consequence then someone who was cruel to dogs. Vick is a thug and not a great human being but so are a lot of these other idiots in the NFL/NBA/MLB etc...

It's called intent. When Little got in the car, what did he intend to do? When Vick bred the dogs, what did he intend to do? See the difference.

You are joking. When you are getting drunk and driving it shows reckless disreguard for those around you. Someone died. That affects that person, his family and his friends. Sorry but in my world that is at least as bad as torturing/killing dogs. Let's not even mention the fact that after he killed someone drunk driving he was later arrested for the same thing. This shows no remorse IMO. Little should have gotten at least the same jail time and suspension as Vick and IMO it should have been longer.

Didn't Little get arrested again for a DUI a few years after he killed someone?

yep, that is my point. They should have put him in the slammer for along time at that point.

 

[David Yudkin]

He gets suspended for the season and does absolutely no jail time. Then comes back next year and plays for the team Atlanta trades him to.

He'll do 6 months to a year. The NFL bans him but allows him to re-apply the winter after his sentence is done. He plays it clean and is allowed back in. Some team (Raiders) takes a flyer on him as a back-up.

All you guys saying he'll get 1 year and do 6 months of it, I have a question. Where are you pulling that out of? They have him dead to rights with 4 witnesses and 3 plea deals to testify against him. For the charges he's up against he's looking at 5 years. On top of that they have further charges to file, including most likely RICO charges for interstate gambling. The further charges can carry more 5 year senteces and RICO could be up to 20 years. Now, for a court that has an above 90% conviction rate for cases going to trial and you have all this evidence going in your favor, what possible reason would they have to give him a deal that puts him in jail for less than a year and possibly resuming his lucrative football career? I'm not trying to say you're wrong, but what reasoning or logic do you apply to state that he'll do less than a year when all the odds are in the prosecutors favor to put him in for anywhere from 5-20+ years?

First time offender, high proflie athlete whose life will be ruined even serving one year, saves thousands of dollars in prosecution costs.I'm not saying that it's right, just, or proper only that Vick's life as he knows it will be over whether he serves one year or five.

 

[BusMan]

The part that no one seems to be mentioning about this latest story is that he is negotiating a deal for a plea bargain. If Vick and his legal team don't like the terms of the deal, they can still walk away and go to trial. While I think he should take whatever plea the Feds offer him, I still think there is a slight chance he'll go to court. Here's some thoughts I put together regarding this matter this morning in the other current Vick thread, but they never got any run:

There are a number of reasons Vick would be conflicted over a plea bargain:

1) Admitting guilt means admitting to not only the crime as charged, but also the cover-up and the lies. How many people did he lie to? How about lying straight to Goodell's face at the draft?

2) Despite whatever positive hit to his street rep might result from a stint in jail, I'm certain he doesn't want to get sent to the big house.

3) He likely is used to getting his own way, to staying out of trouble not through good behavior, but through his status, connections, and money.

Most importantly...

4) If his legal team can manage to get just one juror on board who either thinks this might be a racially motivated case, or are absolutely convinced that Vick couldn't have been involved in something like this, they have a legitimate shot at a hung jury.

I'm no legal expert though, so feel free to shoot down my ideas if they're totally off base.

 

[PatsFanCT]

So will he play in the NFL again?

Yes.J

not a chance. He's played his last game in the NFL. copping a plea deal is an admission of guilt. Many lawyers are already saying he's most definitely going to do some hard time, measured in years, not days/months..

admitting he's guilty to cop a plea deal, causes a snowball affect with the NFL and in particular, the PR relations, as he is now and will forever be, a PR nightmare . Mike Vick will never overcome the stigma associated with this dog fighting ring.. NO NFL team in its right mind, would ever want to hire him after pleading guilty to it..the amount

not only will sponsors pull out of the home stadium that he plays in, but the ASPCA and PETA will be on their doorstep every single day, and they NEVER give up their cause, so they'll be around until Vick is gone..think GreenPeace on legs..

in no way, will Mike Vick ever play another game in the NFL.

You can plead guilty without admitting guilt.

Not sure if you realize what he means. It's called 'No Contest' which was designed to basically plead guilty in a criminal court but not have that plea used against you in civil court. So essentially it's a guilty plea but would require an all new trial for civil court.

Not exactly true. A plea of no contest is treated by the court as a guilty plea, but you never admit guilt. So you can not plea "guilty" without admitting guilt. You can plead "no contest" instead.Semantics, but he was still wrong.

It's called the "Alford plea", under which you do not admit guilt, but concede that the state has enough evidence against you to bring you to trial and probably win.I don't know what evidence they actually have on Vick, and don't know how credible three thugs who are pleading down to point the finger at Vick are, so this might be enough for the prosecutor to accept. And if so, he could just plea out to a suspended sentence, a few years of community service, and donations to the humane society and be done with it.

 

[Peak]

One thing to consider is that the suspension could make him unhirable, even if it's not a lifetime ban.

Say Goodell hands down a 2 year suspension. Meanwhile, Blank immediately cuts him after the conviction for violating his morals clause (and files for repayment of many millions of bonus dollars too and gets cap credit if he recoups any).

Then once he gets out of the big house with a minimum of 2 seasons (2007 and 2008) already lost, anyone who signs him will have to drag him on the roster for the duration of his suspension. The clock won't run on his suspension if the falcons cut him. It won't restart until he is resigned, and noone will sign him knowing he won't be able to play for at least another 2 years. He couldn't play until the 2011 season at the earliest, and that's if he manages to get off with only 1 year in prison. For every additional year of time he does, push it out another year.

A 2 year suspension would be, in effect, a lifetime ban.

Very I can see this happening. Vick will do some time just based upon the gambling charges alone. If Goodell sticks to his hard line that he has drawn in the sand so far this season, I can definitely see this happening.

 

[j3r3m3y]

I don't know what evidence they actually have on Vick, and don't know how credible three thugs who are pleading down to point the finger at Vick are, so this might be enough for the prosecutor to accept. And if so, he could just plea out to a suspended sentence, a few years of community service, and donations to the humane society and be done with it.

They have enough that they are planning on refiling the indictment in order to include more charges. They have enough that Vick is willing to talk to them about a plea. I am no lawyer, but it does not look good for Vick in my opinion.

 

[David Yudkin]

It's called the "Alford plea", under which you do not admit guilt, but concede that the state has enough evidence against you to bring you to trial and probably win.I don't know what evidence they actually have on Vick, and don't know how credible three thugs who are pleading down to point the finger at Vick are, so this might be enough for the prosecutor to accept. And if so, he could just plea out to a suspended sentence, a few years of community service, and donations to the humane society and be done with it.

If this were a local or state case maybe, but I would think that the Feds will make sure that there is some time behind bars. If they got to where they are they have enough to have a good shot a victory going to court, and letting him go without any time would cause the animal protester to jump off the Vick bandwagon and onto the court instead.

 

[PatsFanCT]

I don't know what evidence they actually have on Vick, and don't know how credible three thugs who are pleading down to point the finger at Vick are, so this might be enough for the prosecutor to accept. And if so, he could just plea out to a suspended sentence, a few years of community service, and donations to the humane society and be done with it.

They have enough that they are planning on refiling the indictment in order to include more charges. They have enough that Vick is willing to talk to them about a plea. I am no lawyer, but it does not look good for Vick in my opinion.

They also had a ton of evidence on Michael Jackson a few years back, and how much time did he do?

 

[j3r3m3y]

I don't know what evidence they actually have on Vick, and don't know how credible three thugs who are pleading down to point the finger at Vick are, so this might be enough for the prosecutor to accept. And if so, he could just plea out to a suspended sentence, a few years of community service, and donations to the humane society and be done with it.

They have enough that they are planning on refiling the indictment in order to include more charges. They have enough that Vick is willing to talk to them about a plea. I am no lawyer, but it does not look good for Vick in my opinion.

They also had a ton of evidence on Michael Jackson a few years back, and how much time did he do?

Michael Jackson was prosecuted in Federal court?

 

[StrikeS2k]

I have a feeling the plea offer is basically that Vick pleads guilty and saves some money on lawyers. Don't see it getting much better than that.

 

[Koya]

I want the MORAL outrage to blacklist him from the NFL for life.I wonder how those dogs felt before being put into the pit. I wonder what they felt like while being slammed into the ground when they lost the fight.I wonder how much pain they were in.I wonder how many dog he drowned or electrocuted. I wonder how many puppies he took and feed alive to the pit bulls. I wonder how those dogs felt.

The answer to all your questions:They probably felt about as bad as the multitude of women who are gfs/spouses of these pro players and get the #### kicked out of them in terms of physical abuse.But when that happens, everyone gets disgusted for, well, a day... then Jason Kidd says a couple sorries and is back dishing it out. On the court (and probably off it, as well).

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Vick should happy public opinion doesnt matter to the NFL...

Noose tightens around Vick at amazing speed

By TIM DAHLBERG - AP Sports Columnist

2007-08-14 01:45

Right about now, Michael Vick would probably gladly trade a year or two out of football for a chance to rid himself of dogfighting charges. He was never going to play this season anyway, not if Roger Goodell, Arthur Blank and thousands of animal rights activists had anything to say about it.

The question now becomes whether Vick will ever play in the NFL again, and even the bravest Las Vegas bookie wouldn't offer odds on that happening.

Hard to imagine Blank or any other NFL owner would be willing to hire a quarterback who is now the poster child for animal abusers everywhere. It's even harder to imagine how the home fans would feel about an alleged puppy killer leading their offense.

Not that it much matters anymore. Because Vick has a lot more to worry about than whether he'll ever play for money on a Sunday again.

Finding a way to stay out of prison is now his No. 1 concern.

The news that two more of his co-defendants will go to court this week to enter plea bargains in the dogfighting case that ensnared Vick is the worst news yet for the man who allegedly not only financed ``Bad Newz Kennels'' but was actively involved in disposing of dogs who were unfortunate enough not to be major championship material.

It wasn't even a month ago that Vick and three others were indicted on charges they ran a dog fighting ring. Now he stands alone, his three co-defendants now seemingly more than eager to tell all to get their own sentences reduced.

His lawyers still talk bravely about a Nov. 26 trial. But the noose is tightening, just as it did around the necks of some dogs who never had a chance.

The New York Times quoted a source Tuesday as saying Vick's attorneys have been given a few more days to decide whether he should enter a guilty plea. They're playing hardball because if Vick doesn't agree, he could face even more charges in a superseding indictment the government says it plans to bring in the case later this month.

That indictment would likely include even more gory details, though it's hard to imagine much worse than the stomach-turning tales of blood and death in the initial charges.

Vick got rich by making tacklers miss him. But, even with expensive attorneys at his side, it's hard to see how he's going to escape from the government's grasp.

He's basically left with two choices, neither of them very appetizing: Plead guilty and hope for less than the five years in the prison he could get, or go to trial, listen to his former buddies tell all, and risk even more prison time.

He might have been willing to take his chances at trial against the testimony of one of his co-defendants. But now all three can be expected to occupy the witness stand if Vick goes ahead with a trial.

And to think that only a few months ago all Vick had to worry about was a funny-smelling water bottle at the airport and a few one-fingered salutes to fans.

The case against Vick has, in fact, moved with amazing quickness. It was just in April that investigators were searching the Virginia estate he owned where the dog fighting operation was allegedly headquartered, and just a month ago that he was indicted.

Now all of his co-defendants are making deals, tongues are beginning to wag, and prison cells are being prepared.

There's little doubt the feds are making an example out of Vick to send a message that they have little tolerance with an activity that is still reportedly popular in certain rural areas of the south and in the hip hop culture. He's not the first athlete to face charges associated with dog fighting - the NBA's Qyntel Woods pleaded guilty in January 2005 to animal abuse and former NFL player LeShon Johnson has faced charges - but he is certainly the highest profile.

Vick was once the face of the Atlanta Falcons, a brilliant if sometimes erratic quarterback who was rewarded with a $130 million contract a few years back. Now he's the face of another so-called sport, where dogs are groomed to fight to the death and the ones who don't perform are put to death.

His endorsements are gone, and his career is almost certainly over. Millions of people who have never met him hate him, and now even his posse is deserting him.

He's cornered in a pit of his own making, with no escape in sight.

Like the dogs found on his estate, he doesn't have much fight left.

.

More charges? Interesting. Wonder what they could be?

 

[Heinz 57]

NO!Ask your self these questions:Ok do you want Mike Vick playing for your home team? Do you want to go games that have 100's of protesters every week?Does the NFL want to stain their Image Like that?If Vick takes any plea he is done in the NFL. He will have admitted to Killing dogs, Gambling across state lines and telling lies to the commissioner and the public.

In response to your questions:1. Sure, why not. As stated before in other threads - some people don't think dog fighting is a big deal. He is a money maker as far as I am concerned.2. This will die down. It already has to a large degree. Once he accepts punishment - most of the PETA people will go find something else to do.3. As if there aren't worse human beings in the NFL. He is actually tame compared to some.4. He's not on trial for killing dogs buddy. It's gambling and a slew of other federal charges.

Except Big Ben is better so I dont want him on my team. Killing dogs doesnt compare to killing humans, LOL at all of you acting all outraged but saying nothing of guys like Ray Lewis. Humans....sigh.....

 

[switz]

Looks like Vick is going to own up and accept some responsibility.It's time to forgive him and move on. He's obviously learned a lot from this experience and will be a better human going forward.I hope the prosecution deals fairly and he gets a 3 or so month sentence with probation.Good luck Mike, your fans were let down, but you've shown a lot of maturity and i forgive you.

I wonder if the Dogs he drowned and electricuted feel the same way as you do BEER.Hes done with a capital D...

They're DOGS! NOT PEOPLE! Not even real dogs, but pit bulls that ARE bread TO FIGHT. They are agressive and dangerous animals. You people act like he was the leader of an underground child prostitution ring or something. When people equate animals to humans, there is something wrong with that person. Sure pets can become sentimental, but they're just animals, and one could argue it's cruel that you keep animals as pets and they should be free... So as far as I'm concerned all you pet owners are on par with slave traders.Good day, sirs!

OK, but whats next? After we allow or tolorete things like in that indicment to take place whats comes next when these people in years to come become board with just watching Dogs rip each other apart to the death? They will want more and before you know it HUMANS will take the place of these dogs..and you better beleive this can and will happen...actually being a realist it is very likely to be happening somewhere in this world now..but when the day comes that our children can go around the corner in this country inside locked doors and watch to human beings fight to the death has to make one think about what our future holds for them?

See boxing?Better yet, maybe the NFL will wise up and support dog fighting, they can clean the sport up. the NFL can donate shoulder pads and helmets for the dogs to wear to help protect them Like I said before, the NFL makes billions of dollars off of violence... You can make a million arguments and I don't have the time, but if Michael Vick does his time I don't see how he's not back in the NFL. The only thing I'm disappointed in is that he broke the law. The law is the law, if you agree with it or not. He broke the law he should pay a price, but 5 years would be ridiculous. Like Vick or not he's a person and thus > dog(s). A million dogs isn't worth a half hour of a humans life in jail. Good day, sirs!!

Boxers and NFL players have the free will to decide whether or not to enter the ring to fight and they are compensated for that decision. Dogs don't get to choose whether or not they fight.

So, you're saying the dogs didn't make the choice to attack each other? Is there some sort of electronic muscle suit that makes them do it? Radio controlled dog fighting!!! Dogs get food and shelter for fighting right? But by your same (flawless) logic animals that are in captivity are basically slaves, correct? They can't leave, they're forced to live there and not be free to live in nature and (gasp) eat other animals!You probably have a dog and had it neutered you sicko!

No they don't have the free will. The dogs either fight or they are killed by their owners. They can't one day decide, "I don't want to fight today, I think I'll retire." They are bred and trained for a single purpose. They don't get to choose. And no, I don't have any animals.

In nature, animals attack each other for:FoodProtecting TerritoryAcquiring a MateDefending self from another animal attacking for the above reasons- Not for SportOnly humans appear to gain plaeasue from watching other creatures in pain

 

[j3r3m3y]

In nature, animals attack each other for:FoodProtecting TerritoryAcquiring a MateDefending self from another animal attacking for the above reasons- Not for SportOnly humans appear to gain plaeasue from watching other creatures in pain

You have never seen my cat catch a mouse.

 

[cstu]

I think some of the holier-than-thou posters need to take a look at what is on their dinner table tonight. I'm not condoning what Vick et al were doing but I see a lot of hypocrisy surrounding this entire story.

 

[DLeo]

He gets suspended for the season and does absolutely no jail time. Then comes back next year and plays for the team Atlanta trades him to.

He'll do 6 months to a year. The NFL bans him but allows him to re-apply the winter after his sentence is done. He plays it clean and is allowed back in. Some team (Raiders) takes a flyer on him as a back-up.

All you guys saying he'll get 1 year and do 6 months of it, I have a question. Where are you pulling that out of? They have him dead to rights with 4 witnesses and 3 plea deals to testify against him. For the charges he's up against he's looking at 5 years. On top of that they have further charges to file, including most likely RICO charges for interstate gambling. The further charges can carry more 5 year senteces and RICO could be up to 20 years. Now, for a court that has an above 90% conviction rate for cases going to trial and you have all this evidence going in your favor, what possible reason would they have to give him a deal that puts him in jail for less than a year and possibly resuming his lucrative football career? I'm not trying to say you're wrong, but what reasoning or logic do you apply to state that he'll do less than a year when all the odds are in the prosecutors favor to put him in for anywhere from 5-20+ years?

If he is going to indeed get off this easily..he MUST be giving up some big time information on other dog fighting rings across the country that will lead to many convictions. There can be no other possible way he gets off as easy as 6/12 months inside. I guess I could live with him getting off so easily if he can give up a bunch of other dog fighting rings in other states and its a LOCK that thye will all be convited with his help and only if this happens will i accept him gettign off so easily. I also hope they give him a hefty fine and make him give a lot of money to animal rights agencies. I do wonder how he will get around the gambling thing as far as the IRS might be concerned? Also could he have anything added into his plea on his behlaf saying his Pro Football career cannot be jepordized in any way if he pleads out and does the right thing?

 

[switz]

I think some of the holier-than-thou posters need to take a look at what is on their dinner table tonight. I'm not condoning what Vick et al were doing but I see a lot of hypocrisy surrounding this entire story.

Again, huge difference in killing an animal for food, and killing an animal for fun. H U G E difference.

 

[Angus82]

I want the MORAL outrage to blacklist him from the NFL for life.I wonder how those dogs felt before being put into the pit. I wonder what they felt like while being slammed into the ground when they lost the fight.I wonder how much pain they were in.I wonder how many dog he drowned or electrocuted. I wonder how many puppies he took and feed alive to the pit bulls. I wonder how those dogs felt.

The answer to all your questions:They probably felt about as bad as the multitude of women who are gfs/spouses of these pro players and get the #### kicked out of them in terms of physical abuse.But when that happens, everyone gets disgusted for, well, a day... then Jason Kidd says a couple sorries and is back dishing it out. On the court (and probably off it, as well).

Vick has shown no responsibility whatsoever. He is called Ron Mexico because he gave a woman herpes and couldn't allow himself to pick up his Valtrex under his own name. Mike Vick has lacked any character whatsoever since he came into the league. Whether it was his water bottle at the airport that had the fake bottom or him flipping off his own fans in Atlanta. This guy has a track record of not respecting anything or anyone around him.