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Vick wants out of ATL...... (1 Viewer)

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POSTED 1:00 a.m. EST; LAST UPDATED 9:06 a.m. EST, February 24, 2006

RUMORS FLY OF VICKLESS FALCONS

One of the biggest rumors making the rounds in Indianapolis on the first day of the scouting combine is that quarterback Mike Vick wants out of Atlanta.

Though there's no specific information to prompt a conclusion that Vick has taken steps to engineer an exit from the team, his repeated criticism of the coaching staff since the end of the 2005 season has fueled speculation that a divorce could be coming.

Most recently, Vick took aim at Falcons offensive coordinator Greg Knapp, saying that Knapp "needs to know exactly what type of talent he's working with. . . . You've got to be creative. There's no reason I should be passing for only 2,300 yards for the season. My passing attempts per game are not even that high. I hope it's not that they don't believe in me, because I believe in me." (Knapp, by the way, attempted to downplay Vick's comments.)

Earlier this month, Vick said that he's "a little lost" in the Falcons' version of the West Coast offense. "We're not dinking and dunking the way it's supposed to be done" he said. "It may be hurting me. It may be hurting the offense."

The talk in Indy is that Vick might refuse to restructure his contract, in the hopes that the team will trade him. Adam Schefter of The NFL Network reports that talks aimed at reducing Vick's 2006 cap number have occurred.

The root of the problem appears to be Vick's relationship with coach Jim Mora. The perception in some circles is that Vick "hates" Mora.

Indeed, we raised the question of whether Mora and Vick can coexist on December 26, based on their respective comments following a Falcons' loss to the Bucs on Christmas Eve after a chip-shot field goal was blocked in overtime.

Said Vick of the blown opportunity to win the game: "It kind of put everything in perspective, like maybe this just ain't our year."

Said Mora when asked whether the blocked field goal made him conclude that "it just wasn't meant to be": "That's a loser's attitude, and I would like to think we don't have a whole lot of losers in the locker room . . . . People like that don't accomplish much in life."

Apart from the huge cap hit that the Falcons would take by moving Vick now, they'd have trouble finding someone to give up significant value for him. As we hear it, a lot of teams regard him as a pain in the ### -- and as a guy who will only be successful if an offense is specifically designed to enhance his strengths, and to conceal his weaknesses.

GRAB SCHAUB WHILE YOU CAN!!!!! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

 
I read somewhere recently, I think it was an article on NFL.com, that if ATL moved Vick this year they would take a $20 million cap hit. He is not going anywhere.

 
Falcons | Team talking with Vick about restructuring his contractPublished Thu Feb 23 9:48:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports the Atlanta Falcons are talking to QB Michael Vick about restructuring his contract. Both sides are waiting to see what happens with the CBA first, before signing off on anything, but Vick is ready and waiting to do what it takes to help the Falcons get back to the top of the NFC South.

Seems to me he wants to stay?????

 
No what he wants is Knapp to get fired!!!!!

Vince L or Bill Walsh can't make you learn to read a defense. Face it Vick you're a WR that takes the snap!!!!!

He's probably a bad route runner to..... :lmao:

 
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No what he wants is Knapp to get fired!!!!!

Vince L or Bill Walsh can't make you learn to read a defense. Face it Vick you're a WR that takes the snap!!!!!

He's probably a bad route runner to..... :lmao:
i can honestly say i've never heard vick described as a WR before. :unsure:
 
I don't see Vick going anywhere. It would not surprise me one bit if Vick stays a Falcon his entire career.

One thing I have noticed though -- he criticizes everyone.........but himself. Even his comment about "feeling lost" in the WCO, he places the blame on the schemes and everything else...

 
I don't see Vick going anywhere.  It would not surprise me one bit if Vick stays a Falcon his entire career.

One thing I have noticed though -- he criticizes everyone.........but himself.  Even his comment about "feeling lost" in the WCO, he places the blame on the schemes and everything else...
True, you never hear him talking about his abysmal 54.1 career completion percentage.
 
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I don't see Vick going anywhere.  It would not surprise me one bit if Vick stays a Falcon his entire career.

One thing I have noticed though -- he criticizes everyone.........but himself.  Even his comment about "feeling lost" in the WCO, he places the blame on the schemes and everything else...
True, you never hear him talking about his abysmal 54.1 career completion percentage.
Which is truly sad, because he has a cannon for an arm, and the way he just flicks his arm and the ball flies 60+ yards is amazing. Too bad accuracy doesn't come naturally, he?
 
No what he wants is Knapp to get fired!!!!!

Vince L or Bill Walsh can't make you learn to read a defense. Face it Vick you're a WR that takes the snap!!!!!

He's probably a bad route runner to..... :lmao:
:goodposting: but i'd say he's more of a RB that a WR, but that's splitting hairs..either way, he's a lousy qb..

:lmao:

 
What the #### do you read this website for? It's obviously completely made up.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Just look at it. What a horrible and unintelligible website.

Anyone that can't afford to present their thoughts in a smooth and appealing website means they aren't generating any revenue to publish their thoughts.

As such, it means there is a MUCH greater likelihood of them just making stuff up, whatever sounds good, to generate web hits.

There have been wars started over yellow journalism.

 
Most recently, Vick took aim at Falcons offensive coordinator Greg Knapp, saying that Knapp "needs to know exactly what type of talent he's working with. . . . You've got to be creative.  There's no reason I should be passing for only 2,300 yards for the season.  My passing attempts per game are not even that high.
:mellow: 25.8 not high enough for you Mr. Vick? Maybe Atlanta could try to get this number up to around 32 or 33 for you? Would that make you happy? Or maybe you could take those 6.8 rushing attempts per game and throw the ball instead? That would also increase your pass attempts per game.

Edited to add - Peyton averaged 28.3125 passing attempts per game last year.

 
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Will Atlanta's best QB please stand up, please stand up... ;)

Helllllllo...Matt Schaub!!!

Not the first time it's been said, but the offense would probably or actually be better!

 
Most recently, Vick took aim at Falcons offensive coordinator Greg Knapp, saying that Knapp "needs to know exactly what type of talent he's working with. . . . You've got to be creative.  There's no reason I should be passing for only 2,300 yards for the season.  My passing attempts per game are not even that high.
:mellow: 25.8 not high enough for you Mr. Vick? Maybe Atlanta could try to get this number up to around 32 or 33 for you? Would that make you happy? Or maybe you could take those 6.8 rushing attempts per game and throw the ball instead? That would also increase your pass attempts per game.

Edited to add - Peyton averaged 28.3125 passing attempts per game last year.
It's made up. Can we lock this thread? :IBTL: Hell, you can even look at the time published. 1am? What respectable journalist releases such a prime-time and controversial article at 1am? That's the time that results from an entire afternoon, evening, and half a night's sleep lost on creating a very cleverly written article.

And that's if I write it. Not these clowns.

 
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Vick runs really well in space and is fast -- thats it !

SChaub is a much better QB in every respective thats important for the QB role.

Vick can't even pass with Allstar WR's as proven in the probowl. He would be a great 3rd wr and is still IMO the most overated player in the history of sports !

 
What the #### do you read this website for? It's obviously completely made up.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Just look at it. What a horrible and unintelligible website.

Anyone that can't afford to present their thoughts in a smooth and appealing website means they aren't generating any revenue to publish their thoughts.

As such, it means there is a MUCH greater likelihood of them just making stuff up, whatever sounds good, to generate web hits.

There have been wars started over yellow journalism.
Is their a dead horse smiley face?PFT's credibility has long-been established on this board.

Do we really need to pull up all the threads of legitimate stories they broken?

 
What the #### do you read this website for? It's obviously completely made up.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Just look at it. What a horrible and unintelligible website.

Anyone that can't afford to present their thoughts in a smooth and appealing website means they aren't generating any revenue to publish their thoughts.

As such, it means there is a MUCH greater likelihood of them just making stuff up, whatever sounds good, to generate web hits.

There have been wars started over yellow journalism.
Is their a dead horse smiley face?PFT's credibility has long-been established on this board.

Do we really need to pull up all the threads of legitimate stories they broken?
They are sometimes right, but this one is a serious stretch and pure speculation.
Though there's no specific information to prompt a conclusion that Vick has taken steps to engineer an exit from the team, his repeated criticism of the coaching staff since the end of the 2005 season has fueled speculation that a divorce could be coming.
They admit it themselves - they have no information. They are only speculating because Vick has critisized the coaching. You could do the same with every player who says anything negative about his team.
 
Vick wants out of ATL......, I'd say goodbye!!!!
I would say "good bye" too.I have no idea what his contract status is.....but i would get whatever I could for him and say, thanks and good luck.i have said before, Michael Vick reminds me of Stephon Marbury.The Falcons, like the Knicks will never win a championship with either of these players leading their teams.
 
Most recently, Vick took aim at Falcons offensive coordinator Greg Knapp, saying that Knapp "needs to know exactly what type of talent he's working with. . . . You've got to be creative.  There's no reason I should be passing for only 2,300 yards for the season.  My passing attempts per game are not even that high.
:mellow: 25.8 not high enough for you Mr. Vick? Maybe Atlanta could try to get this number up to around 32 or 33 for you? Would that make you happy? Or maybe you could take those 6.8 rushing attempts per game and throw the ball instead? That would also increase your pass attempts per game.

Edited to add - Peyton averaged 28.3125 passing attempts per game last year.
It's made up. Can we lock this thread? :IBTL: Hell, you can even look at the time published. 1am? What respectable journalist releases such a prime-time and controversial article at 1am? That's the time that results from an entire afternoon, evening, and half a night's sleep lost on creating a very cleverly written article.

And that's if I write it. Not these clowns.
Since the deadline for morning papers is somewhere around that time, I see ton of articles posted on websites very late at night or in the early AM. Even with that, the time of release of an article has ZERO to do with the quality or credibility of an article.
 
What the #### do you read this website for?  It's obviously completely made up.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Just look at it.  What a horrible and unintelligible website.

Anyone that can't afford to present their thoughts in a smooth and appealing website means they aren't generating any revenue to publish their thoughts.

As such, it means there is a MUCH greater likelihood of them just making stuff up, whatever sounds good, to generate web hits.

There have been wars started over yellow journalism.
Is their a dead horse smiley face?PFT's credibility has long-been established on this board.

Do we really need to pull up all the threads of legitimate stories they broken?
They are sometimes right, but this one is a serious stretch and pure speculation.
Though there's no specific information to prompt a conclusion that Vick has taken steps to engineer an exit from the team, his repeated criticism of the coaching staff since the end of the 2005 season has fueled speculation that a divorce could be coming.
They admit it themselves - they have no information. They are only speculating because Vick has critisized the coaching. You could do the same with every player who says anything negative about his team.
So you are saying they shouldnt speculate, and then label that speculation as speculation?
 
Yes, because it's like spreading rumors in junior high.

How many of you just make up stuff out of a hunch and once in a while you're right?

 
Yes, because it's like spreading rumors in junior high.

How many of you just make up stuff out of a hunch and once in a while you're right?
:confused: Yep...thats exactly what they do. Thanks for getting us back to reality there.

 
What the #### do you read this website for? It's obviously completely made up.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Just look at it. What a horrible and unintelligible website.

Anyone that can't afford to present their thoughts in a smooth and appealing website means they aren't generating any revenue to publish their thoughts.

As such, it means there is a MUCH greater likelihood of them just making stuff up, whatever sounds good, to generate web hits.

There have been wars started over yellow journalism.
Is their a dead horse smiley face?PFT's credibility has long-been established on this board.

Do we really need to pull up all the threads of legitimate stories they broken?
Didn't you mean LACK of credibility has been established? Heck, the tabloids get some stories right also. Doesn't mean that half their stuff isn't made up/embelished/etc. either. Not ripping on you, just seems like PFT has gone into overdrive lately with a buncha rumors backed up by nothing but speculation, and if some of them come true, they will point at those and sweep the others under the rug with the rest of the trash.

disclaimer - I rarely visit the PFT site anymore, just see the articles/rumors posted here. That's enough to keep me away.

 
Just recently I think they were first with the stories that the Ravens and Redskins were talking about a trade for Ray Lewis, and that the Vikings were asking a second-round pick for Daunte Culpepper. The first turned out to be true, the second is likely true also. I'm not saying you should visit the site or should like them, so let's just get that out of the way. I'm saying they are out front with some relatively big news sometimes, an incresing amount lately, and I read it because I appreciate that. For the exact same reason I really appreciate when someone on this board posts some valid inside information of note before we hear it anywhere else.

 
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Yes, because it's like spreading rumors in junior high.

How many of you just make up stuff out of a hunch and once in a while you're right?
:confused: Yep...thats exactly what they do. Thanks for getting us back to reality there.
Why are you defending PFT on this? They have been right on some things, but they just took an interview with Vick talking about the offense and turned it into him wanting to be traded. There's absolutely nothing to back this up - not one word about him being unhappy in ATL or anything. :confused:
 
It is pretty obvious what the FF community thinks of Vick (particularily this board - including myself), but what is a homers take on their signal caller. Are their any Falcon fanatics on this site? If so, who would YOU rather have at the helm:

VICK or SCHAUB?

 
Just recently I think they were first with the stories that the Ravens and Redskins were talking about a trade for Ray Lewis, and that the Vikings were asking a second-round pick for Daunte Culpepper. The first turned out to be true, the second is likely true also. I'm not saying you should visit the site or should like them, so let's just get that out of the way. I'm saying they are out front with some relatively big news sometimes, an incresing amount lately, and I read it because I appreciate that. For the exact same reason I really appreciate when someone on this board posts some valid inside information of note before we hear it anywhere else.
Good point - too often a nugget can be ignored due to the source or cause a "link" isn't immediately available cause a local heard something on the radio, and that information can be valueable especially during the season. I just get tired of trying to figure out what is real and what is speculation.As to Vick/Schaub, although Vick is an amazing athlete, I feel that Schaub could probably run the offense more effectively. Will Vick be able to one day? Maybe. Dunno really. Some days he looks great, others not so great. Seems like he would be a better fit in a vertical offense with a receiver like RMoss (not him specifically, just that type) to stretch the field, rather than the WCO. It seems to me he struggles with the 10-15 yard passes sometimes, while hits the 40+ yard passes almost dead on.

 
Just recently I think they were first with the stories that the Ravens and Redskins were talking about a trade for Ray Lewis, and that the Vikings were asking a second-round pick for Daunte Culpepper. The first turned out to be true, the second is likely true also. I'm not saying you should visit the site or should like them, so let's just get that out of the way. I'm saying they are out front with some relatively big news sometimes, an incresing amount lately, and I read it because I appreciate that. For the exact same reason I really appreciate when someone on this board posts some valid inside information of note before we hear it anywhere else.
Because that takes some insider information to speculate that an injured all-pro receiver would garner a 2nd round pick (which was believed until the Miami story earlier today which revealed that Minnesota wanted more than that...).... or that the Redskins who love to overpay for savvy vets that don't ever work out wanting Ray Lewis, who is a savvy vet that won't work out in a 43 system.I fail to see how these require "insider" information more than just a little speculation and some thick glasses.

People have a tendency to remember what someone successfully predicted and forget what they were wrong about.

Also, just because they have been right in the past does not make this thread even slightly credible, because they have also just as many times been incorrect, if not a lot more.

And, this isn't the same thing. Saying something as rediculous as "Our insider source tells us Vick wants to be traded..." is not the same thing as saying "Our insider source tells us the Vikings want a 2nd round pick for Culpepper."

....

it just angers me to see a shanty website being defended. Spew enough bull#### and you're bound to fertilize something.

 
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It is pretty obvious what the FF community thinks of Vick (particularily this board - including myself), but what is a homers take on their signal caller. Are their any Falcon fanatics on this site? If so, who would YOU rather have at the helm:

VICK or SCHAUB?
I may be a Dolphin's fan 1st, but I have Falcon's season tickets. My Fin side, would like nothing better than for Miami to get Schaub and watch Vick piss away the Falcon's season... my Homer side say's :bye: to Vick, and watch Schaub guide ATL to a winning season.
 
Good a few teams need a RB , maybe he will be different then Ward or El.

Two Wr became QB , he will be the first QB becoming RB.

 
it just angers me to see a shanty website being defended. Spew enough bull#### and you're bound to fertilize something.
Yes, it certainly does anger you. You're making sure everyone can see that.Pioneer Press, February 25, 2006

Web site has the scoop on Vikings, NFL NOTHING BUT NET

If Daunte Culpepper wonders if he's getting the straight story from the junta running the Vikings, other stories are available. That's where ProFootballTalk.com comes in.

Editor Mike Florio and his staff are staying on top of the Culpepper story, with the help of links to the Pioneer Press and other sources, and drawing conclusions that aren't flattering to Vikings owner Zygi Wilf.

"Unless Culpepper is lying about what Wilf said to him (which is possible but not likely), then Wilf has lied to Culpepper in an effort to put the genie back in the bottle, in the event a trade can't be accomplished," Florio wrote.

"In this regard, we know one thing for an absolute fact. The Vikings have talked to other teams about a trade. The Vikings initiated the discussions."

The tedium that marked Dennis Green's term as the Vikings' chief spokesman appears to be back. Fortunately, there are places to turn other than the team's management for reports on the franchise.

— Gary Derong
 
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Meanwhile concerning Michael Vick, the OC says Vick was just frustrated and that no rift exists between Vick and the coaching staff. I guess time will tell.

Atlanta Journal Constitution

Falcons offensive coordinator Greg Knapp said he and Michael Vick have a solid relationship and the quarterback's concerns about last season's offensive inconsistency were an offshoot of system-wide breakdowns. "I don't think we need to sit down and talk about it," Knapp said Thursday in reference to the offensive philosophy Vick questioned in an interview with the Journal-Constitution earlier this month. "It's already understood that we will always try to create situations for Mike to succeed.

"Given the fact that we had two young receivers last year that Michael didn't really work much in the offseason with because Peerless Price and Dez White were the starters, we went through some growing pains. We still made improvements, but from a Michael Vick standpoint, everything comes down on him. That's what makes it frustrating for him."

Vick said in Thursday's USA Today that Knapp "needs to know exactly what type of talent he's working with. . . . You've got to be creative. There's no reason I should be passing for only 2,300 yards for the season. My passing attempts per game [2/4.2] are not even that high. I hope it's not that they don't believe in me, because I believe in me."

Knapp, in his second season as Atlanta's offensive coordinator, said he read the remarks but attributed them to Vick constantly being asked about his production and the team's offensive struggles late in the 8-8, nonplayoff season. Knapp added that he does not feel Vick is driven by stats or passer ratings, which he said would always be skewed because Vick runs the ball so much and is asked to make a lot of plays while rolling out.

"It's hard on Mike," Knapp said in a telephone interview from Indianapolis, where he's attending the NFL scouting combine. "He's constantly being compared to guys who play his position, who have been in the same offense, with the same coaching staff for five, six, seven years. Mike made progress. Our offense made progress, and I'm very comfortable saying we're on track to be better next year.

"I think it's a good thing Mike's got this edge. It shows he wants to improve as an offense and he wants to improve as a player. I'm not worried about the numbers. We're going to base what we do on wins and losses. It's not just our quarterback. We had some growing pains that we've got to fight through. That so much comes down on Mike is the nature of the beast of playing quarterback. "Sometimes we get too much credit, sometimes we get too much blame."
 
For us Falcon fans that watch every game- Knapp has to be the most criticized coach in Atlanta's history for a 2 year period. There are some OC's that can call a good game- Knapp is not one of them.

Vick is just verbalizing what every Falcon knows...

 
lol @ this thread

whatever we do, we should all overreact, draw conclusions, and reach concrete opinions based on this.....:chuckle:...."rumor"

:lmao:

 
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