NCCommish
Footballguy
Ah yes Atari and Chucky E Cheese founder. Sold Atari for about 30 million in 76 IIRC. Was a lot of money at the time. But nothing compared to today's market.
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Video games...what ya playing? And what are you looking forward to? (2 Viewers)
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Worm
slimy ninja
It looks fantastic. I think it would have been a console seller for me if it had come out a couple years ago. As it is, like some others here I will probably skip it or consider a PS4 when the time comes if it's backwards compatible.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
That equates to roughly 1.1 billion dollars today using a 3.5% inflation rate. That probably is not far off of today's market at all.
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SlaX
Footballguy
That's about what Facebook bought Instagram for. Although, Facebook overpaid by about a billion.
NCCommish
Footballguy
Yeah I guess. Although it seems an Atari that stayed relatively competitive would be worth more than a billion today. I mean they were the console market.
SlaX
Footballguy
For further comparison, right now Zynga is worth about $1.2 billion. Also, Angry Birds creator Rovio is apparently worth about $5 billion. They turned down an offer from EA to buy them out at $2.25 billion in 2011.
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5Rings
Lurker
I'm at the end of Mass Effect 1, partway through Ilos.
Plot has really developed and I'm really enjoying this game. Having ME2 and ME3 on hand should also allow me to buy DS3 and Bioshock3 for cheap on Ebay.
Just made sweet love to the Blue Chick (and youtubed Ash's scene) and full on assault on the ground. HUGE plot developments and its great to be fighting after way too much time in the Mako on the Geth worlds. Just talked to the Prothean AI guy, this is awesome
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
yeah hard to say obviously especially when the competition is much different today albeit with a much bigger market too.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Plot has really developed and I'm really enjoying this game. Having ME2 and ME3 on hand should also allow me to buy DS3 and Bioshock3 for cheap on Ebay.
You're at the spot where the story kicks into high gear. It's all awesomeness from here on.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
I am about 27 hours into ME1 right now. I have done every side mission I can find. I am at level 41 I think and just finished up Noveria in the main quest.Lots of driving around in the Mako so far but it is quite fun since it climbs almost anything and never flips over 
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Ones I'm looking forward to...Bioshock: InfiniteTomb RaiderAliens: Colonial MarinesMetro: Last LightThen there's a game called "Remember Me" which I've only heard a little bit about but it sounds cool.
Jobber
Footballguy
I keep hoping they'll come out with a Mech Assault for the 360. That was the best game on the original Xbox, IMO. With great multiplayer as well. I was nearly unstoppable in the Mad Dog.
5Rings
Lurker
I've actually had to restart twice when I flipped the Mako over and couldn't get out.I am about 27 hours into ME1 right now. I have done every side mission I can find. I am at level 41 I think and just finished up Noveria in the main quest.Lots of driving around in the Mako so far but it is quite fun since it climbs almost anything and never flips over
Insein
Footballguy
Plot has really developed and I'm really enjoying this game. Having ME2 and ME3 on hand should also allow me to buy DS3 and Bioshock3 for cheap on Ebay.
That's where I was hooked for good.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Lol. I have actually been trying and can't get it to flip. Amazing vehicleI've actually had to restart twice when I flipped the Mako over and couldn't get out.I am about 27 hours into ME1 right now. I have done every side mission I can find. I am at level 41 I think and just finished up Noveria in the main quest.Lots of driving around in the Mako so far but it is quite fun since it climbs almost anything and never flips over
5Rings
Lurker
Once was when I got stuck trying to drive over the stupid Markers you put down once you survey a site.I love driving up a hill and jumping as far as I can.'NewlyRetired said:Lol. I have actually been trying and can't get it to flip. Amazing vehicle'5Rings said:I've actually had to restart twice when I flipped the Mako over and couldn't get out.'NewlyRetired said:I am about 27 hours into ME1 right now. I have done every side mission I can find. I am at level 41 I think and just finished up Noveria in the main quest.Lots of driving around in the Mako so far but it is quite fun since it climbs almost anything and never flips over
Fair enough but the first one had a much stronger survival horror feeling to it. There are still some jump scares occasionally but even those are predictable now. Maybe its just the fact that we've seen it now but the atmosphere is lacking. Liking 3. Its on par with 2 at this point but i hear it falls apart in the back half. Willing to play through to find out at least.'shadyridr said:Huh? Dead Space has ALWAYS been an action game
NCCommish
Footballguy
Ok so I finished up the main quest line in Rage. There was some additional content and other missions after you finish the main that I may or may not get to. In general I found the game to be a decent play with very good graphics. A well made visual world. The action wasn't bad. The AI isn't Einstein but it isn't totally stupid either. So they can flank you if you aren't paying attention. Still I didn't have to use my defib much. I did get pretty close to total completion missed 2 cards and 1 jump. But I was disappointed:I am putting this in the spoiler thing since Andy was talking about playing
So in the end my rating is a 6. Some fun stuff to do, strong visuals but inconsistent game play and what I mentioned above. Not sure of the replay value but I think it's pretty limited.
The ending killed it. They give me this big gun with hard core ammo and send me in to invade the Capitol on my own. "No one knows what is in there and no one has ever come back." So I am figuring lots of tough fighting and at least one really bad ### boss. I make sure I am fully supplied and ready to go. Instead I get hyped mutants that I slaughter with wing sticks and some Terminator looking guys that I can take out with the usual stuff. Worst sin in video games. A crap ending. You just put in a couple of dozen hours(or more) and you are left asking "Is that it? Seriously?". Real bummer. Up until the end it was hanging as a 7 for me but the ending knocked it down to a 6. Even if the extra content is cool it doesn't really fix the disappointment. If it takes extra content to fix it then it should have been in there to start with. Also I play on whatever the normal setting is. I expect that to be challenging but not ridiculous. It isn't like playing on easy. I expect to get the full effect of the game. So I don't play games on Insane or whatever to get a satisfying ending either. Right now I am not feeling it so I don't know if I'll get into the extra content or not. I have Bioshock in the wings and am itching to dive in.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
5Rings
Lurker
Finished ME1 last night. Not sure if I should play through again (this time as a renegade instead of my goody-goody Paragon) or jump right into ME2.Great game, great ending, very well done. Kicking myself for not getting 2 more light and 1 more heavy metal to finish that task, but I can always re-load a previous save point. I don't think Ilos/Citadel took that long.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I vote for going right to ME2.Finish it through first as a paragon then go back and do renegade. I actually like doing half paragon/half renegade being kind to the good and ruthless to the bad.Finished ME1 last night. Not sure if I should play through again (this time as a renegade instead of my goody-goody Paragon) or jump right into ME2.Great game, great ending, very well done. Kicking myself for not getting 2 more light and 1 more heavy metal to finish that task, but I can always re-load a previous save point. I don't think Ilos/Citadel took that long.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
This will cut my game purchases down to about 2-4 a year.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
that may be 2-4 more than I do, unless the prices drop dramatically, which I doubt.
This seem inevitable at this point as every PS4/Xbox720 rumor seems to point to the ending of second hand games.
NCCommish
Footballguy
Yeah I was fighting admitting it but it seems to be the way they are going. It's just so greedy. It will definitely affect the market and I don't think it will be in a good way.that may be 2-4 more than I do, unless the prices drop dramatically, which I doubt.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
If I understand this correctly, it will do more than just effect the after market buying and selling of games on ebay and GameStop, it should eliminate it entirely for the next generation of games.If this comes to pass I can't see how the brick and mortar GameStops stay in business three years from the new Gen's releases. They will likely move their entire business to online once the current gen after market gaming dies down.Yeah I was fighting admitting it but it seems to be the way they are going. It's just so greedy. It will definitely affect the market and I don't think it will be in a good way.that may be 2-4 more than I do, unless the prices drop dramatically, which I doubt.
NCCommish
Footballguy
I meant the whole gaming market. This is going to drive efforts to pirate and it will certainly reduce the number of players I think. I can't see how this in anyway improves anything for the game makers or console sellers long term.If I understand this correctly, it will do more than just effect the after market buying and selling of games on ebay and GameStop, it should eliminate it entirely for the next generation of games.If this comes to pass I can't see how the brick and mortar GameStops stay in business three years from the new Gen's releases. They will likely move their entire business to online once the current gen after market gaming dies down.Yeah I was fighting admitting it but it seems to be the way they are going. It's just so greedy. It will definitely affect the market and I don't think it will be in a good way.that may be 2-4 more than I do, unless the prices drop dramatically, which I doubt.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
If they're thinking they'll be able to convert those who normally buy used to new game buyers I think they're really mistaken.With the pressure from Steam (no pun intended), new consoles like the Ouya, and all the portable gaming that can be done on phones, I think the vast majority of people will say "#### you, I can be just as satisfied with this $5 handheld/online game as I can with your $60 console based one".I can't see any way that it would work while maintaining the same pricepoint.
Worm
slimy ninja
As discussed previously, hopefully the prices would come down for older games more quickly. So instead of buying a year old game for $20 used, maybe you just download it for $20 new. 
I guess we'll see. Sucks that there won't be any more game sharing/borrowing with your buddies.
I guess we'll see. Sucks that there won't be any more game sharing/borrowing with your buddies.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
I agree.I speculated earlier in the thread that I think this is going to crank up piracy efforts significantly, something the PS3 at least, was not bothered with in too great a degree.I meant the whole gaming market. This is going to drive efforts to pirate and it will certainly reduce the number of players I think. I can't see how this in anyway improves anything for the game makers or console sellers long term.If I understand this correctly, it will do more than just effect the after market buying and selling of games on ebay and GameStop, it should eliminate it entirely for the next generation of games.If this comes to pass I can't see how the brick and mortar GameStops stay in business three years from the new Gen's releases. They will likely move their entire business to online once the current gen after market gaming dies down.Yeah I was fighting admitting it but it seems to be the way they are going. It's just so greedy. It will definitely affect the market and I don't think it will be in a good way.that may be 2-4 more than I do, unless the prices drop dramatically, which I doubt.
I have to assume though they bean counted out the various scenario's and came up with it being more profitable to have less players playing but playing at a higher net cost.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
agreed.My eyes were really opened recently just playing Path of Exile. I was shocked at the quality of the gaming experience, even while still in beta, for a price point of $0.I am hopeful there will be different outlets for gaming for me but I am not going to be able to justify going from a net cost of $10 back to a net cost of $60 if I want to play a new game, or a net cost of even $30 if I wait a year for a game.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Speaking of the Ouya, I'm intrigued...
SlaX
Footballguy
Since we're talking about the PS4 and NextBox720 and their lack of support for used games, I thought I'd post this update to something I mentioned here before: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-02-01-german-group-files-legal-complaint-against-valves-steam-service
I'm curious if last year's judgement will make any waves.
Apparently Valve will be following suit, as to not get into legal trouble, but Germany may still take them to court over it. But where it intrigues me is whether they will change this for everywhere in the EULA. Also, I assume that the new Playstation and XBox will sell in Germany, as the current platforms do. So they will be required to be held to the same laws. As far as Steam goes, technically, you can't buy a used digital game - only transfer license - so there's no worries about getting a broken game.
I'm curious if last year's judgement will make any waves.
fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
This is wrong. See Steam for the model on what's going to happen. Personally, prefer the digital media vs hardcopies.Yeah I was fighting admitting it but it seems to be the way they are going. It's just so greedy. It will definitely affect the market and I don't think it will be in a good way.that may be 2-4 more than I do, unless the prices drop dramatically, which I doubt.
NCCommish
Footballguy
Doesn't really matter since Steam wants to do the same thing. Delivery method isn't the point really.This is wrong. See Steam for the model on what's going to happen. Personally, prefer the digital media vs hardcopies.Yeah I was fighting admitting it but it seems to be the way they are going. It's just so greedy. It will definitely affect the market and I don't think it will be in a good way.that may be 2-4 more than I do, unless the prices drop dramatically, which I doubt.
NCCommish
Footballguy
The biggest market is America. In America about 40% of households do not have high speed access and about 5% of Americans can't get high speed access in any way. That is millions of people that might enjoy games now that wouldn't in that scenario. I think it will be quite a while before that is the dominant way people play.
Jobber
Footballguy
I'm thinking a very high percentage of current gen console owners have high speed Internet. I have no link, but I can't think of a single console owner I know who doesn't - even if they don't play online.
SlaX
Footballguy
The percentage is much lower than you'd think. I have many in my family that don't connect at all. I have a nephew who was one day bragging about how he beat Left 4 Dead and I asked him "How do you beat Left 4 Dead? It's a multiplayer/co-op game." He's never played it with another human being.
5Rings
Lurker
I think I'll hang onto my PS3 for a very long time. I'm sure the next-gen will be amazing, but I'm happy with the current system plus I can continue to trade games.Somebody said earlier in the thread that $60/game is a bargain in terms of entertainment/hour, and they are right. For whatever reason, the MFGs locking up the ability to re-sell/buy a game just bothers me.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I'll definitely buy a PS4, and I seldom buy used game anyway, so really this development doesn't affect me that much; if it lowers retail game prices by destroying the secondary market, I might actually benefit. But the principle of the thing is really annoying. This is kind of like Bioware charging you extra for day one DLC that's already on the disc, only orders of magnitude worse. I bought the game, I own it, and if I want to lend it to a friend you can #### off.
NCCommish
Footballguy
My guess is the weak performers go first and there are probably a lot just treading water. If it does a good business and is profitable they hold on to it. Plus removing some stores from the market will make the others stronger and they will have more choices in stock since they have less locations for trade ins.
fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
Actually, you could not be more wrong. Delivery method is everything.If publishers no longer need to worry about delivering discs, prices go down significantly and sales happen quicker. That's the end game and a big win for consumers, imo.Doesn't really matter since Steam wants to do the same thing. Delivery method isn't the point really.This is wrong. See Steam for the model on what's going to happen. Personally, prefer the digital media vs hardcopies.Yeah I was fighting admitting it but it seems to be the way they are going. It's just so greedy. It will definitely affect the market and I don't think it will be in a good way.that may be 2-4 more than I do, unless the prices drop dramatically, which I doubt.
NCCommish
Footballguy
Yeah I don't think so. If they can get 60 now why drop the price? Consumers will whine but keep right on buying. And then for those to whom 60 is a lot of money they have now taken away the right for them to buy used. All because they don't get a piece of every sale. Well I don't send GM money when I sell a used Chevy either. Pure greed. No reason to think they are going to suddenly give up free margin.Actually, you could not be more wrong. Delivery method is everything.If publishers no longer need to worry about delivering discs, prices go down significantly and sales happen quicker. That's the end game and a big win for consumers, imo.Doesn't really matter since Steam wants to do the same thing. Delivery method isn't the point really.This is wrong. See Steam for the model on what's going to happen. Personally, prefer the digital media vs hardcopies.Yeah I was fighting admitting it but it seems to be the way they are going. It's just so greedy. It will definitely affect the market and I don't think it will be in a good way.that may be 2-4 more than I do, unless the prices drop dramatically, which I doubt.
Insein
Footballguy
God speed son. Would you kindly let us know how it was?
5Rings
Lurker
Is it wrong that I'm excited?