Video games...what ya playing? And what are you looking forward to? (4 Viewers)

[madshot31]

Shame the uproar about Sony killing Microsoft has nothing to do with exclusives so far. I'll be keeping a close eye on all this, but 100 bucks cheaper with more powerful hardware, used games, and no DRM is tough to beat. Especially since the Kinect is stupid.Wouldn't be surprised to see MS announce a Kinect-free console option for $399 now. That's an expensive piece of equipment and drives up the price.

It is kind of sad that IMO there was not a single must have game between the bunch. Nothing that made me go WOW!

After seeing the reviews on The Last of Us, i don't know why sony didn't pay them to make it a PS4 launch titile and spend the next couple months up-resing the graphics. A game like that at lauch could have made a HUGE difference in getting people to dive in. Yeah, your right, so far nothing that makes me go "I have to have this now".

Can you explain what you mean by up-resing the graphics? I was under impression that all early games released on the new consoles would be at 1080p max.

The Last of Us is a PS3 title that just came out and is a game of the year candidate for many people.

 

[Run It Up]

I saved chose to save the geth in ME2 and help them in ME3, plus I didn't want to kill EDI who was a good squadmate (voiced by Tricia Helfer and killing her would be just plain wrong) so I went with synergy instead of destroy.

I saved the Geth in 2 and 3, and thought about them. But it just seemed to me, after all I had gone through, I wasn't going to back down at the last minute and dilute the human genome with synthetic DNA. So, had to do it. I did forget about EDI. But I don't think I would have changed my mind based on her.Edit: After watching the other videos, I'm glad I chose the ending I did.

Just finished, chose the same ending you did, then watched the other three endings, and I'm with you....I like the destroy ending best

Yay!

Spoiler

Its the only ending that makes some sense. Plus I can't see how the geth and edi are truly dead. They are basically software inhabiting a physical platform. If a magical beam could destroy all software in the galaxy then there'd be a lot more to worry about.I think the godchild is lying to try and save its own neck. It is really hard selling you on synthesis and would settle for control. Despite those 2 things being exactly what the illusive man and the reapers have been striving for all 3 games. Destroy is what all the good guys have been trying to do all 3 games. To balk at the end because some ai that controls the reapers said it was bad would betray all they fought and died for. Plus it does say "even you are partly synthetic" insinuating that you would die if you chose destroy. Yet destroy is the only one where you live. So its lying.

Spoiler

I disagree on a few levels.I think all three endings make sense, unless you believe Shepard was indoctrinated in ME2 - in which case none of the endings make sense.

The child's intentions were pretty clear to me, the collective intelligences of untold previous generations of life were railing against you to choose the status quo, to ensure that organic and synthetic life would stay in check.It's my opinion that destruction and control are the bad endings. Whether you choose to believe that synthetic life is actual life is what it comes down to, most believe it is not, I believe its inevitable. The only ending that truly ends the cycle is the synthesis ending.It was my belief that the beings of the current cycle were capable of more, as you discovered throughout the game with the Geth and the various species.

 

[Chaka]

I saved chose to save the geth in ME2 and help them in ME3, plus I didn't want to kill EDI who was a good squadmate (voiced by Tricia Helfer and killing her would be just plain wrong) so I went with synergy instead of destroy.

I saved the Geth in 2 and 3, and thought about them. But it just seemed to me, after all I had gone through, I wasn't going to back down at the last minute and dilute the human genome with synthetic DNA. So, had to do it. I did forget about EDI. But I don't think I would have changed my mind based on her.Edit: After watching the other videos, I'm glad I chose the ending I did.

Just finished, chose the same ending you did, then watched the other three endings, and I'm with you....I like the destroy ending best

Yay!

Spoiler

Its the only ending that makes some sense. Plus I can't see how the geth and edi are truly dead. They are basically software inhabiting a physical platform. If a magical beam could destroy all software in the galaxy then there'd be a lot more to worry about.I think the godchild is lying to try and save its own neck. It is really hard selling you on synthesis and would settle for control. Despite those 2 things being exactly what the illusive man and the reapers have been striving for all 3 games. Destroy is what all the good guys have been trying to do all 3 games. To balk at the end because some ai that controls the reapers said it was bad would betray all they fought and died for. Plus it does say "even you are partly synthetic" insinuating that you would die if you chose destroy. Yet destroy is the only one where you live. So its lying.

Spoiler

Great posting.Plus i looked at it as betting on the goodness of people, corny yes

Disagree

Spoiler

I have no idea why you say that the reapers or the illusive man wanted synthesis. Never mentioned it, except when the godchild said it was inevitable. Not sure why you think the Geth or EDI would somehow survive either. They were wiped, as were your biotics, which was also insinuated. The possibility of losing biotics killing you was not the only option. I can see making the hard choice to sacrifice a squad mate, ala Ashley v Kaiden, but you wiped out an entire species, with no logical reason to believe that they would somehow miraculously survive, that you chose to save twice.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Shame the uproar about Sony killing Microsoft has nothing to do with exclusives so far. I'll be keeping a close eye on all this, but 100 bucks cheaper with more powerful hardware, used games, and no DRM is tough to beat. Especially since the Kinect is stupid.Wouldn't be surprised to see MS announce a Kinect-free console option for $399 now. That's an expensive piece of equipment and drives up the price.

It is kind of sad that IMO there was not a single must have game between the bunch. Nothing that made me go WOW!

After seeing the reviews on The Last of Us, i don't know why sony didn't pay them to make it a PS4 launch titile and spend the next couple months up-resing the graphics. A game like that at lauch could have made a HUGE difference in getting people to dive in. Yeah, your right, so far nothing that makes me go "I have to have this now".

Can you explain what you mean by up-resing the graphics? I was under impression that all early games released on the new consoles would be at 1080p max.

The Last of Us is a PS3 title that just came out and is a game of the year candidate for many people.

Yes I know that. I was asking what he meant by up-resing the graphics if they delayed this for the PS4 since I believe every new game for quite a while on the PS4 will still max out at a 1080p resolution.

 

[EYLive]

I'm gonna get a PS4 for Watch Dogs and The Division

I hope EA puts a good UFC game together, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[bierfiend]

after not playing video games for about 10 years i broke down and got a madden and Fifa 13 for my ps3. addicted to the soccer, but pulling hair out over control switching to the "wrong" defender..... anyone who plays have any defensive tips?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Here's a protip for making the boring scanning of planets go faster in Mass Effect 2 - do Miranda's loyalty mission ASAP. The ship upgrade she gives you afterwards is an Advanced Mineral Scanner, which gives a larger and more importantly faster scanning target.

 

[Insein]

I saved chose to save the geth in ME2 and help them in ME3, plus I didn't want to kill EDI who was a good squadmate (voiced by Tricia Helfer and killing her would be just plain wrong) so I went with synergy instead of destroy.

I saved the Geth in 2 and 3, and thought about them. But it just seemed to me, after all I had gone through, I wasn't going to back down at the last minute and dilute the human genome with synthetic DNA. So, had to do it. I did forget about EDI. But I don't think I would have changed my mind based on her.Edit: After watching the other videos, I'm glad I chose the ending I did.

Just finished, chose the same ending you did, then watched the other three endings, and I'm with you....I like the destroy ending best

Yay!

Spoiler

Its the only ending that makes some sense. Plus I can't see how the geth and edi are truly dead. They are basically software inhabiting a physical platform. If a magical beam could destroy all software in the galaxy then there'd be a lot more to worry about.I think the godchild is lying to try and save its own neck. It is really hard selling you on synthesis and would settle for control. Despite those 2 things being exactly what the illusive man and the reapers have been striving for all 3 games. Destroy is what all the good guys have been trying to do all 3 games. To balk at the end because some ai that controls the reapers said it was bad would betray all they fought and died for. Plus it does say "even you are partly synthetic" insinuating that you would die if you chose destroy. Yet destroy is the only one where you live. So its lying.

Spoiler

Great posting.Plus i looked at it as betting on the goodness of people, corny yes

Spoiler

DisagreeI have no idea why you say that the reapers or the illusive man wanted synthesis. Never mentioned it, except when the godchild said it was inevitable. Not sure why you think the Geth or EDI would somehow survive either. They were wiped, as were your biotics, which was also insinuated. The possibility of losing biotics killing you was not the only option. I can see making the hard choice to sacrifice a squad mate, ala Ashley v Kaiden, but you wiped out an entire species, with no logical reason to believe that they would somehow miraculously survive, that you chose to save twice.

Spoiler

I was saying illusive man wanted control. Which is something the reapers encouraged him to think and seem to encourage the separatist faction to think in every cycle.Synthesis is what Saren was striving for in the first game. He was also a reaper puppet. If these 2 choices were so great, why didn't we just let saren win in me1 or let illusive man win in me3?Synthesis to me goes against everything the Mass Effect stood for. Shepard spent the entire game gathering a diverse group of races to set aside their differences for a common good. By his example a true peace can be earned over time. Synthesis states that true peace can only be attained by eliminating differences and making everyone the same. The also gain "infinite understanding" which is a better way of saying they were all brainwashed to think the same. So peace can be handed to you by making everyone the same dna and giving everyone the same pov? Wonderful message there.That doesn't even get into the subversion of everyone's will by choosing to go against everything they've been fighting for and deciding arbitrarily to change their dna. You think Javik, the guy who hates all machines unilaterally, is happy about becoming one with them? He can live happily ever after with all the husks and other now sentient reaper abominations. I'm sure their life is a pleasant one. Then there's the pinnacle of evolution thing. If this is as high up the ladder any being can ascend to, then whats the point of life. Like Mordin said:"All scientific advancement due to intelligence overcoming, compensating for limitations. Can't carry load, so invent wheel. Can't catch food so invent spear. Limitations. No limitations, no advancement, culture stagnant. Works other way too. Advancement before culture is ready... (inhales) disastrous."Just all around the wrong choice.

 

[Bonzai]

after not playing video games for about 10 years i broke down and got a madden and Fifa 13 for my ps3. addicted to the soccer, but pulling hair out over control switching to the "wrong" defender..... anyone who plays have any defensive tips?

There are settings you can adjust, I think. I think the default is for it to change to the defender automatically, so if you try to change manually, it'll switch to a defender farther away from the play. I believe I turned that off so that I just change defenders manually. That might be an older version though; I get them mixed up.

I also use the right stick to change defenders. Just point the stick in the direction of the defender you want to use.

 

[Usual21]

Borrowing a PS3 from a buddy of mine who doesn't really use it anymore so I can play The Last of Us this weekend. Man of Steel tonight, Last of Us tomorrow, Father's Day at the Race Track, and the US Open. Best weekend in a LONG time.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I saved chose to save the geth in ME2 and help them in ME3, plus I didn't want to kill EDI who was a good squadmate (voiced by Tricia Helfer and killing her would be just plain wrong) so I went with synergy instead of destroy.

I saved the Geth in 2 and 3, and thought about them. But it just seemed to me, after all I had gone through, I wasn't going to back down at the last minute and dilute the human genome with synthetic DNA. So, had to do it. I did forget about EDI. But I don't think I would have changed my mind based on her.Edit: After watching the other videos, I'm glad I chose the ending I did.

Just finished, chose the same ending you did, then watched the other three endings, and I'm with you....I like the destroy ending best

Yay!

Spoiler

Its the only ending that makes some sense. Plus I can't see how the geth and edi are truly dead. They are basically software inhabiting a physical platform. If a magical beam could destroy all software in the galaxy then there'd be a lot more to worry about.I think the godchild is lying to try and save its own neck. It is really hard selling you on synthesis and would settle for control. Despite those 2 things being exactly what the illusive man and the reapers have been striving for all 3 games. Destroy is what all the good guys have been trying to do all 3 games. To balk at the end because some ai that controls the reapers said it was bad would betray all they fought and died for. Plus it does say "even you are partly synthetic" insinuating that you would die if you chose destroy. Yet destroy is the only one where you live. So its lying.

Spoiler

Great posting.Plus i looked at it as betting on the goodness of people, corny yes

Spoiler

DisagreeI have no idea why you say that the reapers or the illusive man wanted synthesis. Never mentioned it, except when the godchild said it was inevitable. Not sure why you think the Geth or EDI would somehow survive either. They were wiped, as were your biotics, which was also insinuated. The possibility of losing biotics killing you was not the only option. I can see making the hard choice to sacrifice a squad mate, ala Ashley v Kaiden, but you wiped out an entire species, with no logical reason to believe that they would somehow miraculously survive, that you chose to save twice.

Spoiler

I was saying illusive man wanted control. Which is something the reapers encouraged him to think and seem to encourage the separatist faction to think in every cycle.Synthesis is what Saren was striving for in the first game. He was also a reaper puppet. If these 2 choices were so great, why didn't we just let saren win in me1 or let illusive man win in me3?Synthesis to me goes against everything the Mass Effect stood for. Shepard spent the entire game gathering a diverse group of races to set aside their differences for a common good. By his example a true peace can be earned over time. Synthesis states that true peace can only be attained by eliminating differences and making everyone the same. The also gain "infinite understanding" which is a better way of saying they were all brainwashed to think the same. So peace can be handed to you by making everyone the same dna and giving everyone the same pov? Wonderful message there.That doesn't even get into the subversion of everyone's will by choosing to go against everything they've been fighting for and deciding arbitrarily to change their dna. You think Javik, the guy who hates all machines unilaterally, is happy about becoming one with them? He can live happily ever after with all the husks and other now sentient reaper abominations. I'm sure their life is a pleasant one.Then there's the pinnacle of evolution thing. If this is as high up the ladder any being can ascend to, then whats the point of life. Like Mordin said:"All scientific advancement due to intelligence overcoming, compensating for limitations. Can't carry load, so invent wheel. Can't catch food so invent spear. Limitations. No limitations, no advancement, culture stagnant. Works other way too. Advancement before culture is ready... (inhales) disastrous."Just all around the wrong choice.
Well damn.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Well damn.

My advice? Don't listen to that guy.

Saren wasn't looking for synthesis. He was looking for servitude as a means to survival - the proverbial feeding the alligator in hopes he eats you last.

From the ME Wik on Saren:

Through the ancient Reaper, he learns the fate of the many civilizations of eons past. Instead of using Sovereign as a weapon, as he had intended, Saren makes it his goal to save the races of the galaxy by aiding the Reapers, proving the worth of organics to the Reapers so that they might be spared. He believes that servitude is the logical answer, instead of instinctively fighting to the finish.

However, Sovereign has other plans. The more time Saren spends in service to Sovereign, the more indoctrinated he becomes. His free will is gradually sapped and supplanted by the desires of the Reaper, and the values of his people that Saren still believes in — that an individual's personal needs are always subordinate to the greater good of the group — are twisted so gradually that Saren remains certain he is right. Slowly, Saren becomes Sovereign's most powerful, and visible, agent. Able to begin the plans Sovereign had been laying for centuries while the Reaper kept its true nature hidden, Saren acts as Sovereign's agent on the forefront, never revealing the true enemy. The geth are sought out from behind the Perseus Veil to serve Sovereign, looking upon the massive ship as their new machine-god and Saren as their 'prophet'. Matriarch Benezia allies with Saren in an attempt to make him follow a better path, but ends up being indoctrinated herself. She then becomes Saren's most powerful ally.

Saren becomes gradually more concerned about the power of Sovereign's indoctrination, fearing that it might be affecting his behavior. At his base of operations on the remote tropical world of Virmire, which houses his krogan breeding facility, Saren adds a major lab complex to study the effects of indoctrination. He recruits scientists, such as Rana Thanoptis, and orders experiments to be performed on the salarians his forces captured from a recon and espionage team.

From the research, Saren discovers that the more control Sovereign exerted over an individual, the less capable they became. As long as Sovereign saw Saren as a useful resource, Saren believes his mind would still be his own. Saren convinces himself Sovereign needed him to find the Conduit and that the Reaper would offer him a reprieve in return. Nevertheless, he grows afraid of indoctrination, suspecting that Sovereign might be manipulating his thoughts.

After being hunted across several worlds, Saren finally meets Shepard face-to-face on Virmire. During the battle, Saren tries to recruit Shepard to his cause. The Commander tells Saren that he is indoctrinated, and that Sovereign is manipulating him so subtly he does not realise what was happening to him. Saren denies these accusations and escapes, narrowly escaping the nuclear blast that destroys the complex.

But Shepard's words breed doubt in Saren's mind. Sovereign sees his conviction beginning to falter, and implants Saren, making him cybernetic and completely devoted to the Reapers' cause. Saren thinks of himself as "the future", a true cyborg, a fusion of both organics and technology, comprising "the strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither."

So, there's a big difference between being implanted as a form of control and synthesis which is a joining/combining.

 

[Mad Cow]

Yo dawg!

 

[Insein]

Well damn.

My advice? Don't listen to that guy. Saren wasn't looking for synthesis. He was looking for servitude as a means to survival - the proverbial feeding the alligator in hopes he eats you last. From the ME Wik on Saren:

Through the ancient Reaper, he learns the fate of the many civilizations of eons past. Instead of using Sovereign as a weapon, as he had intended, Saren makes it his goal to save the races of the galaxy by aiding the Reapers, proving the worth of organics to the Reapers so that they might be spared. He believes that servitude is the logical answer, instead of instinctively fighting to the finish. However, Sovereign has other plans. The more time Saren spends in service to Sovereign, the more indoctrinated he becomes. His free will is gradually sapped and supplanted by the desires of the Reaper, and the values of his people that Saren still believes in that an individual's personal needs are always subordinate to the greater good of the group are twisted so gradually that Saren remains certain he is right. Slowly, Saren becomes Sovereign's most powerful, and visible, agent. Able to begin the plans Sovereign had been laying for centuries while the Reaper kept its true nature hidden, Saren acts as Sovereign's agent on the forefront, never revealing the true enemy. The geth are sought out from behind the Perseus Veil to serve Sovereign, looking upon the massive ship as their new machine-god and Saren as their 'prophet'. Matriarch Benezia allies with Saren in an attempt to make him follow a better path, but ends up being indoctrinated herself. She then becomes Saren's most powerful ally. Saren becomes gradually more concerned about the power of Sovereign's indoctrination, fearing that it might be affecting his behavior. At his base of operations on the remote tropical world of Virmire, which houses his krogan breeding facility, Saren adds a major lab complex to study the effects of indoctrination. He recruits scientists, such as Rana Thanoptis, and orders experiments to be performed on the salarians his forces captured from a recon and espionage team. From the research, Saren discovers that the more control Sovereign exerted over an individual, the less capable they became. As long as Sovereign saw Saren as a useful resource, Saren believes his mind would still be his own. Saren convinces himself Sovereign needed him to find the Conduit and that the Reaper would offer him a reprieve in return. Nevertheless, he grows afraid of indoctrination, suspecting that Sovereign might be manipulating his thoughts. After being hunted across several worlds, Saren finally meets Shepard face-to-face on Virmire. During the battle, Saren tries to recruit Shepard to his cause. The Commander tells Saren that he is indoctrinated, and that Sovereign is manipulating him so subtly he does not realise what was happening to him. Saren denies these accusations and escapes, narrowly escaping the nuclear blast that destroys the complex. But Shepard's words breed doubt in Saren's mind. Sovereign sees his conviction beginning to falter, and implants Saren, making him cybernetic and completely devoted to the Reapers' cause. Saren thinks of himself as "the future", a true cyborg, a fusion of both organics and technology, comprising "the strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither."

So, there's a big difference between being implanted as a form of control and synthesis which is a joining/combining.

Uh huh. And who put those thoughts in his head?

Spoiler

"I'm not doing this for myself. Don't you see. Sovreign will succeed. It is inevitable. My way is the only way any of us will survive. I'm forging an alliance between us and the reapers. Between organics and machines, and in doing so, I will save more lives than have ever existed. But you would undo my work. You would doom us to annihilation, and for that you must die."Saren seemed to believe that joining with the reapers was the answer just like illusive man "knew it would work" for controlling the reapers. I know you don't agree with me but to me destroy is the only logical ending where we win. And honestly if you're now part machine and part organic, does it matter whether you were implanted or a magical beam hit you?

 

[Chaka]

Well damn.

My advice? Don't listen to that guy.

Saren wasn't looking for synthesis. He was looking for servitude as a means to survival - the proverbial feeding the alligator in hopes he eats you last.

From the ME Wik on Saren:

Through the ancient Reaper, he learns the fate of the many civilizations of eons past. Instead of using Sovereign as a weapon, as he had intended, Saren makes it his goal to save the races of the galaxy by aiding the Reapers, proving the worth of organics to the Reapers so that they might be spared. He believes that servitude is the logical answer, instead of instinctively fighting to the finish.

However, Sovereign has other plans. The more time Saren spends in service to Sovereign, the more indoctrinated he becomes. His free will is gradually sapped and supplanted by the desires of the Reaper, and the values of his people that Saren still believes in — that an individual's personal needs are always subordinate to the greater good of the group — are twisted so gradually that Saren remains certain he is right. Slowly, Saren becomes Sovereign's most powerful, and visible, agent. Able to begin the plans Sovereign had been laying for centuries while the Reaper kept its true nature hidden, Saren acts as Sovereign's agent on the forefront, never revealing the true enemy. The geth are sought out from behind the Perseus Veil to serve Sovereign, looking upon the massive ship as their new machine-god and Saren as their 'prophet'. Matriarch Benezia allies with Saren in an attempt to make him follow a better path, but ends up being indoctrinated herself. She then becomes Saren's most powerful ally.

Saren becomes gradually more concerned about the power of Sovereign's indoctrination, fearing that it might be affecting his behavior. At his base of operations on the remote tropical world of Virmire, which houses his krogan breeding facility, Saren adds a major lab complex to study the effects of indoctrination. He recruits scientists, such as Rana Thanoptis, and orders experiments to be performed on the salarians his forces captured from a recon and espionage team.

From the research, Saren discovers that the more control Sovereign exerted over an individual, the less capable they became. As long as Sovereign saw Saren as a useful resource, Saren believes his mind would still be his own. Saren convinces himself Sovereign needed him to find the Conduit and that the Reaper would offer him a reprieve in return. Nevertheless, he grows afraid of indoctrination, suspecting that Sovereign might be manipulating his thoughts.

After being hunted across several worlds, Saren finally meets Shepard face-to-face on Virmire. During the battle, Saren tries to recruit Shepard to his cause. The Commander tells Saren that he is indoctrinated, and that Sovereign is manipulating him so subtly he does not realise what was happening to him. Saren denies these accusations and escapes, narrowly escaping the nuclear blast that destroys the complex.

But Shepard's words breed doubt in Saren's mind. Sovereign sees his conviction beginning to falter, and implants Saren, making him cybernetic and completely devoted to the Reapers' cause. Saren thinks of himself as "the future", a true cyborg, a fusion of both organics and technology, comprising "the strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither."

So, there's a big difference between being implanted as a form of control and synthesis which is a joining/combining.

Exactly.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Uh huh. And who put those thoughts in his head?

Spoiler

"I'm not doing this for myself. Don't you see. Sovreign will succeed. It is inevitable. My way is the only way any of us will survive. I'm forging an alliance between us and the reapers. Between organics and machines, and in doing so, I will save more lives than have ever existed. But you would undo my work. You would doom us to annihilation, and for that you must die."Saren seemed to believe that joining with the reapers was the answer just like illusive man "knew it would work" for controlling the reapers.I know you don't agree with me but to me destroy is the only logical ending where we win.
That is NOT the same as synthesis.

 

[Insein]

Uh huh. And who put those thoughts in his head?

Spoiler

"I'm not doing this for myself. Don't you see. Sovreign will succeed. It is inevitable. My way is the only way any of us will survive. I'm forging an alliance between us and the reapers. Between organics and machines, and in doing so, I will save more lives than have ever existed. But you would undo my work. You would doom us to annihilation, and for that you must die."Saren seemed to believe that joining with the reapers was the answer just like illusive man "knew it would work" for controlling the reapers.I know you don't agree with me but to me destroy is the only logical ending where we win.

That is NOT the same as synthesis. Semantics. You're all synthetic organic hybrids now. Reapers got what they wanted all along. Hooray.

 

[Mad Cow]

Uh huh. And who put those thoughts in his head?

Spoiler

"I'm not doing this for myself. Don't you see. Sovreign will succeed. It is inevitable. My way is the only way any of us will survive. I'm forging an alliance between us and the reapers. Between organics and machines, and in doing so, I will save more lives than have ever existed. But you would undo my work. You would doom us to annihilation, and for that you must die."Saren seemed to believe that joining with the reapers was the answer just like illusive man "knew it would work" for controlling the reapers.I know you don't agree with me but to me destroy is the only logical ending where we win.

That is NOT the same as synthesis. Semantics. You're all synthetic organic hybrids now. Reapers got what they wanted all along. Hooray.You dawg!

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Further, synthesis shows how powerful the ethic displayed by Shepard was in that it (re)introduced to the Reapers the concept that organics can be the solution not the problem.

From Leviathan:

Over time, however, they (the Leviathan) observed that their thralls would frequently build synthetic constructs to aid them; these synthetics consistently rebelled, wiping out many thrall species. In response, the Leviathans created an Intelligence with the mandate to preserve life at all costs.

The Leviathans failed to perceive the Intelligence (the Reapers) as a threat; they considered it nothing more than another tool to achieve a set goal. As the Intelligence sought out the means to fulfill its mandate, it created an army of pawns that were dispatched to collect genetic data from species throughout the galaxy, much like the Collectors employed by the Reapers in modern times. Eventually, the Intelligence came to the conclusion that the Leviathans themselves were part of the problem, and turned against them.

It took the human species, and specifically Shepard, to show that organics can unify rather than divide and/or conquer thus ending the need for The Cycle to continue and in fact an entirely new idea of consciousness could exist through Synthesis.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Uh huh. And who put those thoughts in his head?

Spoiler

"I'm not doing this for myself. Don't you see. Sovreign will succeed. It is inevitable. My way is the only way any of us will survive. I'm forging an alliance between us and the reapers. Between organics and machines, and in doing so, I will save more lives than have ever existed. But you would undo my work. You would doom us to annihilation, and for that you must die."Saren seemed to believe that joining with the reapers was the answer just like illusive man "knew it would work" for controlling the reapers.I know you don't agree with me but to me destroy is the only logical ending where we win.

That is NOT the same as synthesis. Semantics. You're all synthetic organic hybrids now. Reapers got what they wanted all along. Hooray.Reapers wanted to destroy, not join.

 

[Insein]

Uh huh. And who put those thoughts in his head?

Spoiler

"I'm not doing this for myself. Don't you see. Sovreign will succeed. It is inevitable. My way is the only way any of us will survive. I'm forging an alliance between us and the reapers. Between organics and machines, and in doing so, I will save more lives than have ever existed. But you would undo my work. You would doom us to annihilation, and for that you must die."Saren seemed to believe that joining with the reapers was the answer just like illusive man "knew it would work" for controlling the reapers.I know you don't agree with me but to me destroy is the only logical ending where we win.

That is NOT the same as synthesis. Semantics. You're all synthetic organic hybrids now. Reapers got what they wanted all along. Hooray. Reapers wanted to destroy, not join.No they've been harvesting and taking organic life and combining it with synthetic to make new reapers. This was their solution. They preserve all life in reaper form. Theyve never been able to improve upon their crude design despite eons of trying. The catalyst tells you that synthesis is their ideal form of evolution not that it really is. Its what theyve wanted all along but never got a chance to achieve it. The crucible gave them the chance to do that.

 

[thecatch]

My problem was more with how a magic green beam was supposed to make everyone in the galaxy a cyborg, and why a specific person's DNA was necessary to make that happen.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

No they've been harvesting and taking organic life and combining it with synthetic to make new reapers. This was their solution. They preserve all life in reaper form. Theyve never been able to improve upon their crude design despite eons of trying. The catalyst tells you that synthesis is their ideal form of evolution not that it really is. Its what theyve wanted all along but never got a chance to achieve it. The crucible gave them the chance to do that.

They're not trying to. The Reapers are simply a tool of The Catalyst - which is really the embodiment of an idea started by the Leviathan.

And the Catalyst is right that synthesis is an ideal form of evolution because organics and machines are finally at a place where they can co-exist peacefully. Go to about 10:00 here. "Why couldn't you do it sooner?"...."Organics were not ready."

I know all this is clapping with one hand because I'll never change your mind. But I think it's possible that your persistence diminishes others' enjoyment in the game. I think you interpret things too literally. If you try to understand what the spirit of the story is trying to say then it's a much more satisfying ending. Saying that the Catalyst is deceiving Shepard through synthesis destroys the spirit - which is clearly not what the writers intended so is just as clearly not a viable answer to the events.

 

[Insein]

My problem was more with how a magic green beam was supposed to make everyone in the galaxy a cyborg, and why a specific person's DNA was necessary to make that happen.

And the plants and animals too. Can't leave the food out of being sentient and cybernetic.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

My problem was more with how a magic green beam was supposed to make everyone in the galaxy a cyborg, and why a specific person's DNA was necessary to make that happen.

Because the beam traversed to all of the mass relays across the galaxy, which is where all the civilized parts of the galaxy reside.

And the whole story was about Shepard. How you brought the galaxy together like no other being has.

The only way that doesn't make much sense is if you go through the game primarily as a renegade.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

This discussion is really life in microcosm. If you're think it's crappy, you'll find the signs to reinforce your belief. Same thing if you believe life is pretty good.

 

[Insein]

No they've been harvesting and taking organic life and combining it with synthetic to make new reapers. This was their solution. They preserve all life in reaper form. Theyve never been able to improve upon their crude design despite eons of trying. The catalyst tells you that synthesis is their ideal form of evolution not that it really is. Its what theyve wanted all along but never got a chance to achieve it. The crucible gave them the chance to do that.

They're not trying to. The Reapers are simply a tool of The Catalyst - which is really the embodiment of an idea started by the Leviathan. And the Catalyst is right that synthesis is an ideal form of evolution because organics and machines are finally at a place where they can co-exist peacefully. Go to about 10:00 here. "Why couldn't you do it sooner?"...."Organics were not ready." I know all this is clapping with one hand because I'll never change your mind. But I think it's possible that your persistence diminishes others' enjoyment in the game. I think you interpret things too literally. If you try to understand what the spirit of the story is trying to say then it's a much more satisfying ending. Saying that the Catalyst is deceiving Shepard through synthesis destroys the spirit - which is clearly not what the writers intended so is just as clearly not a viable answer to the events.

The spirit of the story was overcoming impossible odds and resisting the will of the reapers. So with that in mind we meet with their "leader" and just go along with what he says especially taking into account how manipulative the reapers have been the whole story? Obviously each player interprets it differently but I can't trust the beings trying to kill me to tell me the truth when I finally have a gun to their head.

 

[Copeman]

Can you guys who have a Steam account sign in and vote for this game to be greenlighted to add to Steams library of games? All it is is a vote, nothing more. It would be greatly appreciated. It's not the type of game many of you would like, it's a simulation game of WWII that has been out since 2001. The player population is dwindling, and if it gets on Steam, that will hopefully entice more people to get in-game. Thanks.

Link

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The spirit of the story was overcoming impossible odds and resisting the will of the reapers. So with that in mind we meet with their "leader" and just go along with what he says especially taking into account how manipulative the reapers have been the whole story?

Obviously each player interprets it differently but I can't trust the beings trying to kill me to tell me the truth when I finally have a gun to their head.

Well, that's one big reason why there's so much difference of opinion, isn't there. I don't think the second part of that is the spirit at all.

Aw, let's forget it. We've been over this 10 times already.

 

[Insein]

The spirit of the story was overcoming impossible odds and resisting the will of the reapers. So with that in mind we meet with their "leader" and just go along with what he says especially taking into account how manipulative the reapers have been the whole story?Obviously each player interprets it differently but I can't trust the beings trying to kill me to tell me the truth when I finally have a gun to their head.

Well, that's one big reason why there's so much difference of opinion, isn't there. I don't think the second part of that is the spirit at all. Aw, let's forget it. We've been over this 10 times already.

Yep. Its all good buddy.

 

[Usual21]

Cam someone explain Steam to me in depth? Can I play it on my living room TV? Does it use controllers?

 

[Insein]

Cam someone explain Steam to me in depth? Can I play it on my living room TV? Does it use controllers?

Steam is a digital media service. It delivers games to you through download. It is currently only available via pc. You can hook your pc to a tv and use a usb controller for most games though.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Cam someone explain Steam to me in depth? Can I play it on my living room TV? Does it use controllers?

Steam is basically a web service that sells games for cheap. Once you've bought a game, you can download and it installs automatically. Computer dies, you get just re-download the game at no charge.

Yes, you could connect a computer to your tv and use a controller with it (for most games).

 

[Jobber]

Cam someone explain Steam to me in depth? Can I play it on my living room TV? Does it use controllers?

Steam is basically a web service that sells games for cheap. Once you've bought a game, you can download and it installs automatically. Computer dies, you get just re-download the game at no charge.

Yes, you could connect a computer to your tv and use a controller with it (for most games).

So if Steambox becomes a reality, that's a plug-in TV device?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Cam someone explain Steam to me in depth? Can I play it on my living room TV? Does it use controllers?

Steam is basically a web service that sells games for cheap. Once you've bought a game, you can download and it installs automatically. Computer dies, you get just re-download the game at no charge.

Yes, you could connect a computer to your tv and use a controller with it (for most games).

So if Steambox becomes a reality, that's a plug-in TV device?

It will essentially be a console just like xbox or PS.

Valve is developing a video game console, which industry journalists are tentatively calling the "Steam Box". It would be dedicated to running Steam to allow players to launch games, media, and other functions that the client already provides. The unit, as provided by Valve, is expected to be tightly hardware controlled, similar in manner to other video game consoles.[110] The software side is expected to remain open; for example, the unit is expected to ship with a Linux operating system, but the user will be able to install Microsoft Windows if they want to.[111] Valve has not yet set an anticipated release date, but does not expect the unit to be available within 2013.[112] The company is anticipating producing a limited number of prototype units to be distributed to customers sometime within the second quarter of 2013 "to gauge their reactions", according to Newell.[113]

Newell explained that Valve's strategy is to develop a single hardware unit themselves as the default model, internally named "Bigfoot", but work with other computer manufacturers who want to offer the same user experience but with different hardware configurations not offered by Valve's model; for example, Valve does not expect to include an optical drive due to size and cost, but this can be an option offered by another tech partner.[111] He also envisions the software to enable screencast capabilities, allowing the single box to work with any monitor or television within the home.[111] Newell stated they would also be likely developing controllers for the unit that integrate biometric data from the player and options for gaze tracking, finding that the involuntary responses from the player are more useful than other forms of player input like motion control.[111] Newell also explained that in addition to the home unit, they are considering the mobile device market, specifically considering laptops and tablets, with their own hardware nicknamed "Littlefoot".[111]

At the 2013 Consumer Electronics Show, modular computer hardware company Xi3 Corporation introduced a prototype modular PC, codenamed "Piston". This unit is one of several possible designs that Valve is looking as the default hardware model for the Steam Box, and is specifically designed to run Steam on Linux and support Big Picture mode.[114] The unit is based on Xi3's "performance level" X7A model, which presently retails for about $1000, is slightly larger than a human hand, and contains various I/O ports to connect to power, video, and data signals.[115] Xi3 began taking pre-orders for the Piston Console at the 2013 South by Southwest Festival in March 2013, anticipating high levels of interest in the hardware, with plans to release the unit for general purchase by the end of 2013.[116][117] Valve has clarified that though they did some initial exploratory work with Xi3, they have had no direct involvement with the Piston's specifications, and it is not necessarily representative of their final design for their Steam Box

 

[VA703]

Ryse : Son of Rome

exclusive to the new xbox.. looks amazing

 

[Worm]

Also, I think the speculation has been that the 'Steam Box' or whatever it ends up being called would be more expensive than any of the consoles, coming in at $700-$1000.

 

[thecatch]

My problem was more with how a magic green beam was supposed to make everyone in the galaxy a cyborg, and why a specific person's DNA was necessary to make that happen.

Because the beam traversed to all of the mass relays across the galaxy, which is where all the civilized parts of the galaxy reside. And the whole story was about Shepard. How you brought the galaxy together like no other being has. The only way that doesn't make much sense is if you go through the game primarily as a renegade.

Your post really isn't responsive to mine. The deus ex machina required to achieve the synthesis ending was so out of left field, even for a science fiction game, that it was jarring. The other two options at least sort of made sense in the context of the ME universe.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Also, I think the speculation has been that the 'Steam Box' or whatever it ends up being called would be more expensive than any of the consoles, coming in at $700-$1000.

That would be completely fine. As I understand it, the Steam Box is basically a gaming PC built for people who don't want to build or maintain their own PCs. Supposedly you'll be able to swap video cards, HDDs, and stuff like that will minimal fuss. In other words, the target audience is somebody like me who

• Can afford a gaming rig
• But is too lazy and ignorant to build one himself
• And who likes to play on the couch in front a television with a console controller

Depending on how things shake out, I would seriously consider a Steam Box in addition to the PS4 if for no other reason than there are so many PC games out there. I just need to see how the box handles upscaling a PC game from a little monitor to a 60" tv.

 

[Mad Cow]

And oh my, the joys of the Summer and Holiday Super Sales on Steam.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Can you guys who have a Steam account sign in and vote for this game to be greenlighted to add to Steams library of games? All it is is a vote, nothing more. It would be greatly appreciated. It's not the type of game many of you would like, it's a simulation game of WWII that has been out since 2001. The player population is dwindling, and if it gets on Steam, that will hopefully entice more people to get in-game. Thanks.Link

Ahhh WWII Online

I spent hours of my life walking, and walking, and walking, then walking some more. When I finally got to the battle I would get killed and start my looooong journey all over again.

I wanted that game to work SOOOOOO bad.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Also, I think the speculation has been that the 'Steam Box' or whatever it ends up being called would be more expensive than any of the consoles, coming in at $700-$1000.

That would be completely fine. As I understand it, the Steam Box is basically a gaming PC built for people who don't want to build or maintain their own PCs. Supposedly you'll be able to swap video cards, HDDs, and stuff like that will minimal fuss. In other words, the target audience is somebody like me who

• Can afford a gaming rig
• But is too lazy and ignorant to build one himself
• And who likes to play on the couch in front a television with a console controller

Depending on how things shake out, I would seriously consider a Steam Box in addition to the PS4 if for no other reason than there are so many PC games out there. I just need to see how the box handles upscaling a PC game from a little monitor to a 60" tv.

A completely customize-able PC for your entertainment unit. You could use it for strictly gaming as is out of the box but you'd also be able to load any software you want onto it.

Yes, it would be a higher price point but that is off set by the ridiculously cheap games.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Also, I think the speculation has been that the 'Steam Box' or whatever it ends up being called would be more expensive than any of the consoles, coming in at $700-$1000.

That would be completely fine. As I understand it, the Steam Box is basically a gaming PC built for people who don't want to build or maintain their own PCs. Supposedly you'll be able to swap video cards, HDDs, and stuff like that will minimal fuss. In other words, the target audience is somebody like me who

• Can afford a gaming rig
• But is too lazy and ignorant to build one himself
• And who likes to play on the couch in front a television with a console controller

Depending on how things shake out, I would seriously consider a Steam Box in addition to the PS4 if for no other reason than there are so many PC games out there. I just need to see how the box handles upscaling a PC game from a little monitor to a 60" tv.

A completely customize-able PC for your entertainment unit. You could use it for strictly gaming as is out of the box but you'd also be able to load any software you want onto it.

Yes, it would be a higher price point but that is off set by the ridiculously cheap games.

Sooooo, how is it different than any PC?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

My problem was more with how a magic green beam was supposed to make everyone in the galaxy a cyborg, and why a specific person's DNA was necessary to make that happen.

Because the beam traversed to all of the mass relays across the galaxy, which is where all the civilized parts of the galaxy reside. And the whole story was about Shepard. How you brought the galaxy together like no other being has. The only way that doesn't make much sense is if you go through the game primarily as a renegade.

Your post really isn't responsive to mine. The deus ex machina required to achieve the synthesis ending was so out of left field, even for a science fiction game, that it was jarring. The other two options at least sort of made sense in the context of the ME universe.

I didn't think it was all that different from the destroy or control options. Those worked through the mass relays too.

 

[Copeman]

Can you guys who have a Steam account sign in and vote for this game to be greenlighted to add to Steams library of games? All it is is a vote, nothing more. It would be greatly appreciated. It's not the type of game many of you would like, it's a simulation game of WWII that has been out since 2001. The player population is dwindling, and if it gets on Steam, that will hopefully entice more people to get in-game. Thanks.Link

Ahhh WWII Online I spent hours of my life walking, and walking, and walking, then walking some more. When I finally got to the battle I would get killed and start my looooong journey all over again. I wanted that game to work SOOOOOO bad.

That's part of the fun though, if you enjoy it that is. I like trying (as an infantryman) to avoid all the tanks and stuff, and watching all the battles develop, just sitting there looking through the binoculars. It really has come a long way since it came out. There are mobile spawn points now to get you to the action much faster. It works fine now, it just has a bad rep due to its beginnings and the player population has gone down a bit. Fascinating game, really.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Also, I think the speculation has been that the 'Steam Box' or whatever it ends up being called would be more expensive than any of the consoles, coming in at $700-$1000.

That would be completely fine. As I understand it, the Steam Box is basically a gaming PC built for people who don't want to build or maintain their own PCs. Supposedly you'll be able to swap video cards, HDDs, and stuff like that will minimal fuss. In other words, the target audience is somebody like me who

• Can afford a gaming rig
• But is too lazy and ignorant to build one himself
• And who likes to play on the couch in front a television with a console controller

Depending on how things shake out, I would seriously consider a Steam Box in addition to the PS4 if for no other reason than there are so many PC games out there. I just need to see how the box handles upscaling a PC game from a little monitor to a 60" tv.

A completely customize-able PC for your entertainment unit. You could use it for strictly gaming as is out of the box but you'd also be able to load any software you want onto it.

Yes, it would be a higher price point but that is off set by the ridiculously cheap games.

Sooooo, how is it different than any PC?

It really isn't. Just like xbox and PS are just computers. Steam just uses an open source platform. You could build one yourself quite easily. They'll just put it all in a nice little package for you. I'm guessing they'll have some other features built-in to it (from the Wiki article it mentions screen casting and biometric crap)

 

[bierfiend]

after not playing video games for about 10 years i broke down and got a madden and Fifa 13 for my ps3. addicted to the soccer, but pulling hair out over control switching to the "wrong" defender..... anyone who plays have any defensive tips?

There are settings you can adjust, I think. I think the default is for it to change to the defender automatically, so if you try to change manually, it'll switch to a defender farther away from the play. I believe I turned that off so that I just change defenders manually. That might be an older version though; I get them mixed up.

I also use the right stick to change defenders. Just point the stick in the direction of the defender you want to use.

thanks. i know that i have changed the setting so that i control it..it just often changes to a player that puts me in an inopportune position. i haven't tried the right stick yet.

 

[Chaka]

Can you guys who have a Steam account sign in and vote for this game to be greenlighted to add to Steams library of games? All it is is a vote, nothing more. It would be greatly appreciated. It's not the type of game many of you would like, it's a simulation game of WWII that has been out since 2001. The player population is dwindling, and if it gets on Steam, that will hopefully entice more people to get in-game. Thanks.Link

I want to help but am not sure I am comfortable with lying. I likely would not play that game.

Decisions, decisions...

 

[Chaka]

My problem was more with how a magic green beam was supposed to make everyone in the galaxy a cyborg, and why a specific person's DNA was necessary to make that happen.

Because the beam traversed to all of the mass relays across the galaxy, which is where all the civilized parts of the galaxy reside. And the whole story was about Shepard. How you brought the galaxy together like no other being has. The only way that doesn't make much sense is if you go through the game primarily as a renegade.

Your post really isn't responsive to mine. The deus ex machina required to achieve the synthesis ending was so out of left field, even for a science fiction game, that it was jarring. The other two options at least sort of made sense in the context of the ME universe.

I didn't think it was all that different from the destroy or control options. Those worked through the mass relays too.

I think it is a different question than you are answering. Of course the relays would propagate the signal. For Destroy it makes sense because choosing that option sends out a signal that kills the reapers or if you Control them the signal scrambles their logic circuits or whatever. Both of those make sense through some form of propagated wireless signal impacting a machine.

But for synthesis why would an electronic transmission change the very core nature of all organisms in the universe? Why/how would DNA have that impact at all? Was there something special about Shepard's DNA? Maybe it wasn't the DNA but rather the sum of his unique experiences and incredible will that was necessary to make it work? Or was it merely necessary to have a willing sacrifice? But the notion that a wireless signal, however propagated, would change the nature of all life is difficult to wrap your mind around.

 

[GoFishTN]

Anyone played Prison Architect? It looks like an interesting twist on the Sim City type building genre.