Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Yet I bet the lying unrepentant thug punk still has apologists.
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Video of Taylor's flying spittle (1 Viewer)
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Johnny Ice
Footballguy
Taylor is a nasty S.O.B. between the lines, classic throwback to Jack Tatum. He's off center but I think you have to be to play the way he does. I'm glad he plays for my favorite team regardless. Hate it or love it.
Fear The Turtle
Footballguy
The Washington Post reported that Taylor told some teammates and coaches that he hadn't done it and that they accepted him at his word. Assuming the Post got that right, how does he face his teammates now?
It was on the NFL Network, had it on Tivo, slowed it down, and frooze it and you could see the line of spit. I don't think his aim was good enough but he did spit.I love Tivo, I can control instant replays and I can freeze the play, if I can just fiqure out how to get different camera angles on demand.
Family Matters
Footballguy
The same he always does. He could care less about his teammates. He's really all that matters. It's been all about him since he arrived in DC.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Men don't spit, #####es spit, little girls spit, llamas spit, but not men.Men own up, punks lie, small children lie when caught dead to rights, but not men.If the above statements are true one can only conclude that Taylor is not a man. It is, however, still an open question whether he is a #####, a little girl, a punk, or a llama.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
**** Butkus was notorious for spitting and biting and playing dirty. I guess he is a #####, little girl, punk or llama, too.It's football, people. Not team hand-holding or kumbaya-singing. Get over it already.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
So he was excited and tried to speak with his mouthpiece in. Big deal.
If you asked butkus whether he spit/bit/punched people in the pile, i'm sure he wouldn't have lied about it. THAT's the difference.
It's football, people. Not team hand-holding or kumbaya-singing. Get over it already.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Long live the apologists!!!! Maybe there's an opening in the damage control section of the NFLPA for you. Poor misunderstood Taylor...
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Right. Because people's perception of those actions hasn't changed in the least bit.Butkus could proudly make those claims and be revered for it. Taylor is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. THAT's the difference.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
But he did. You don't get sympathy for being a punk ### ##### just because you lose either way by admitting it or not admitting it. He spit, he lied, he was proven wrong. Let's look at it a different way. Aside from the childish, unsportsmanlike ##### aspects of it. Doing something dumb like that HURTS YOUR TEAM. Even if you don't get ejected, and given his attitude about howgood he is he must realize how much his team needs him, you lose 15 yards and a first down on something stupid like that.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Didn't I just say that?Butkus was idolized for being a punk ### #####. Taylor gets no sympathy for being a punk ### #####. My point exaclty.
Did he hurt his team? Sure, a 15-yard penalty and ejection hurts. But Taylor's is getting far more discussion than any other 15-yard penalty and/or ejection than I've ever seen.
I just don't get the obsession with this.
Statorama
gangster
I will give Taylor credit for one thing. He spit in the face of Mike Pittman. You remember old pitty...he once ran over his wife and their childs babysitter! If he spits in some punks face, like Simms or Cadillac, he has no fear of retribution. But he spit in the face of a guy that has a very chaotic track record. I think this is far from over, and sometime during the offseason one Mr. Sean Taylor is going to get a visit from one Mr. Pittman.Taylor better not cross any busy streets while Pittman is still alive.
Johnny Ice
Footballguy
Butkus has more than earned his reputation for being one of the dirtiest players in the NFL. "I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was, you know, important —like a league game or something." -**** Butkus
How ironic this thread was started by a Bears fan.
Dave Baker
Damn glad to meet you
I thought it was funny how when the ref was explaining it to the Redskins players, they began arguing. Once he said that Taylor spit right in his face, even the players, were saying, "oh, yeah...ok then."
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
The very reason I used Butkus as an example.You can google Butkus and spit and get plenty of stories, but he is far from the only one (Joe Greene didn't get nicknamed "Mean" for no reason).
The league was (and is, really) full of "dirty" players. It's a rough and violent game. Generally, rough and violent men play it.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I am not a Bear's fan.
If Taylor came out and said, "Hell yeah i spat in that #####es face. What's the big deal? It's not like I tried to run over his kids and their baby sitter." He'd just be a dumb-### (for doing in a play-off game, doing it out in the open and getting caught) and an ####### (a label which would probably apply to butkus too).There's a hard to define difference between "fight tooth and nail to win" perception of butkus and a "huge freaking #######" perception of people like romo. Maybe some of it is the era, but some of it is the player's personality too.
A recent example of the "fight tooth and nail to win" crazy action was Turley ripping off that guy's helmet and throwing it. If he'd spat on the guy afterward and manned up about it, i think people view that action differently than sean taylor's.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Can I at least keep my Travis Williams Penicillin supply and my Fuzzy Thurston Thermos?I knew it! I knew it! You ARE a closet Bears' fan. Turn in your Donny Anderson jersey & your Max McGee beer stein at the door.$%*$$&*$^$^%$&$$%^*(%^^%&*()^^!!!
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
BTW, while not a Redskins fan I have respect for the francise Lombardi went to. I loved Kilmer and Jurgeson. Larry Brown was a beast. I loved the game the hogs brought, have respect for Butts and Grimm, and have been universally supportive of Gibbs return even when others savaged him last year. Affilliation, however, has nothing to do with being able to recognize a punk and a disgrace.
Damn straight! I watched the thing live and saw the referee run right to the two of them. He saw and heard everything, including Pittman's push. But the ####### announcers kept saying that the call was a travesty, that the ref had it all wrong. It was apparent to anyone with a brain that the ref had seen or heard something from Taylor to cause the flag. The ref didn't miss the push, he just recognized that is was justified in light of Taylor's actions.
redman
Footballguy
I was one who was questioning the ref's call, and I've seen the video and now agree that he spit. I'm not defending him - he should have been penalized and fined; ejection from a playoff game for that is more questionable, but I can't protest too much.
I still however think that Pittman's shot to the head should have been penalized.
What I will say as more or less of a final statement on the subject is that I'm a bit surprised how much of a visceral reaction this caused with people. Spitting is disgusting to be sure. But, for example, Mike Sellars had his rib cracked by a Raider player on special teams via a cheap shot while they were both in the pile; Sellars missed the next game due to that injury. That's an intentional injury inflicted on one player by another. There wasn't 10% of the outcry about it that there is here with Taylor (granted, the 'Skins-Raiders game in week 12 wasn't exactly a high profile game, but still).
I think as with the Randy Moss mooning incident, we need to catch our collective breath on this one. Oh, and Taylor most definitely needs to grow up.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
The difference between someone like Butkus and Taylor is Taylor was dumb enough to spit on an opponent right in front of a referee. I am guessing someone like Butkus was smart enough to wait and do it in the trenches or in the middle of a pile. Not that that makes it any better, I am just saying, when you are dumb enough to spit on a player right in front of a ref and where cameras are bound to catch the act, then you deserve any criticism you get.
