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Favre would certainly be the expert on this topic.They are pissed because they wanted me and are stuck with a loser like Tavaris Jackson as Rodgers shows QB skills Jackson couldn't even dream of having. If they want to save their season, they better go find a QB. Nice pass to the defense to seal the deal.
I've heard this a couple of times. Do people really say this with a straight face?I mean what exactly do they mean here? The Vikings were built specifically to stop a team with:The Vikings entire offseason was spent to beat the Packers in this game? Whatever Bedard. That's one of the craziest "It's all about us" statements I've ever read.
I don't think that means what you think it means.
They were using him as a decoy, silly.
I watched it in slo-mo on the DVR. Moll was 4 yards down field. He actually was run blocking as he totally missed the play.Actually Colledge was another guy who was illegally down field as well. They give you a yard, and he was 2 yards down field, also run blocking. Horrible that these guys missed that play.And Jaworski saying it was a pass/run option, he was totally wrong. I knew it at the time, and told my wife that's absurd. Listening to James Jones this morning on the radio confirmed what I had thought. He laughed when the announcer asked if that was a pass/run option play. He said it was a pass play all the way.
Boy you are quite the homer.In what phase did you think Minny was better?Dline? GB's Dline was far more dominant creating pressure and doing well to force Peterson outside. Their DBs are superior, their LBs were superior.Their Oline was much better in protecting Rodgers from what was supposed to be a better Dline toutside of Peterson, GB outplayed them at nearly every position. It was close because of some mental errors on GB (illegal man downfield, false starts, illegal formations)That is before even getting in to coaching and Childress cannot hold McCarthy's jock in that aspect.And no, I don't think GB is overrated.They are rated about right. A contender if Rodgers keeps playing will, they can challenge the Cowboys and Giants and such for the NFC title.Minny could if they improve in a few areas. Their defense and running game are that good...
Now there's the
Easy. If you watched the game you know the Packers played a very sloppy game. And yet they still beat the big mean ol' Vikin's.Next softball.....I don't understand, if Green Bay dominated so utterly, to the point where complaining about muffed calls is whining, then why did they win by a margin of only 5 points? Effectively making it so a special teams return for TD ended up being the difference maker?Says the guy whining about penalties.Oh...and care to refute any of that?Which Dline played better?Which WRs played better?Which QB played better?Which coach was and has been better?Which LBs played better?I can keep going on and on if you wish...but either bring something to the table other than calling me a homer for truthful observations...or zip it.Going into last night I would have figured Minny's Dline would have been more dominant than GB's. That was not the case last night.Boy you are quite the homer.In what phase did you think Minny was better?Dline? GB's Dline was far more dominant creating pressure and doing well to force Peterson outside. Their DBs are superior, their LBs were superior.Their Oline was much better in protecting Rodgers from what was supposed to be a better Dline to
haha. O.k. so they played sloppy, yet dominated in every facet of the game, enough to win by five. Got it.I personally think that Green Bay did rather well in a multitude of areas but the #1 reason they got the win was because the Vikings failed to execute in the passing game for 4 quarters, resulting in yet ANOTHER loss by a TD or less. Same old same old from last year, in spite of the offseasons moves.
I think Bedard is somewhat prone to hyperbole, but generally has done a good job since he began covering the Packers last year after covering the Dolphins for many years. The quote above was taken from a post-game live online chat, so not ideal circumstances- without the benefit of editors or proofreading, etc. I think he misspoke somewhat, but would agree with the general notion that the Vikings certainly include beating the Packers as one of their main goals this season. Remember that Childress and McCarthy were hired at the same time, and the Vikings are now 0-5 against the Packers since that time. Neither team in this rivalry has had a 5 game winning streak since the early 80's. The Sidney Rice touchdown last night was the first td they've scored at Lambeau in over 12 quarters going back to 2005. Of course its just one game of 16, but last night was unquestionably one of the games a fan, player or coach would have circled at the beginning of the season as being among the most important. Combine that with the fact that the Vikings went big in free agency for the second or third offseason in a row, and I think I understand what Bedard is saying. The rematch in Minn. should be a great one.I've heard this a couple of times. Do people really say this with a straight face?I mean what exactly do they mean here? The Vikings were built specifically to stop a team with:The Vikings entire offseason was spent to beat the Packers in this game? Whatever Bedard. That's one of the craziest "It's all about us" statements I've ever read.
A first time starting QB. Or maybe Brett Favre. Whichever one is there.
A team with good WRs.
A team with surprisingly good running game.
How exactly does one go about building such a team geared specifically for stopping that?
J
12 penalties for 118 yards....one taking away a TD.But I notice...none of you can refute what I said above...so instead, you try this little attempt at an argument.Oh...and the long run by Grant against this great Run D and the Rodgers sneak was the difference in the game.Ask Mr. Sharper about that run by Grant...he was last seen laying on his back after Korey Hall laid him out.I don't understand, if Green Bay dominated so utterly, to the point where complaining about muffed calls is whining, then why did they win by a margin of only 5 points? Effectively making it so a special teams return for TD ended up being the difference maker?Says the guy whining about penalties.Oh...and care to refute any of that?Which Dline played better?Which WRs played better?Which QB played better?Which coach was and has been better?Which LBs played better?I can keep going on and on if you wish...but either bring something to the table other than calling me a homer for truthful observations...or zip it.Going into last night I would have figured Minny's Dline would have been more dominant than GB's. That was not the case last night.Boy you are quite the homer.In what phase did you think Minny was better?Dline? GB's Dline was far more dominant creating pressure and doing well to force Peterson outside. Their DBs are superior, their LBs were superior.Their Oline was much better in protecting Rodgers from what was supposed to be a better Dline to
The only people who knew the play were Rodgers and Driver...it was an audible signaled...Moll's guy went down so Moll kept going to find the next guy to block.Why do yout hink he was totally wrong...several people, including the head coach confirmed it too.But you go ahead and believe an inactive player rather than the head coach.I watched it in slo-mo on the DVR. Moll was 4 yards down field. He actually was run blocking as he totally missed the play.Actually Colledge was another guy who was illegally down field as well. They give you a yard, and he was 2 yards down field, also run blocking. Horrible that these guys missed that play.And Jaworski saying it was a pass/run option, he was totally wrong. I knew it at the time, and told my wife that's absurd. Listening to James Jones this morning on the radio confirmed what I had thought. He laughed when the announcer asked if that was a pass/run option play. He said it was a pass play all the way.
Pretty simple really, it means that in the NFL you build your team for your division. Each division plays a slightly different style. In the NFC North you need to be prepared for cold and sloppy Midwest football. In the NFC South, the Texans specifically drafted Mario Williams over Bush to build up their defense to come after Manning. Early in the decade Ron Wolf drafted 3 straight db's to address the 3 wide wr sets of Carter, Moss, and Reed. Each team is specifically built to compete in their division, it accounts for 6 of your 16 games. I think it is pretty clear cut and obvious. You first win your division and get into the playoffs, then you go from there.I've heard this a couple of times. Do people really say this with a straight face?I mean what exactly do they mean here? The Vikings were built specifically to stop a team with:
A first time starting QB. Or maybe Brett Favre. Whichever one is there.
A team with good WRs.
A team with surprisingly good running game.
How exactly does one go about building such a team geared specifically for stopping that?
J
I've been around the NFL for a long time and this is the first time I've ever heard of an audible which excluded the offensive line being given critical pieces of information. I didn't hear McCarthy's confirmation but I was baffled at Jaws' explanation and I'm baffled at McCarthy confirming this is what happened. I can't understand why you would have an audible which could result in the play being nullifed, which (unfortunately for the Packers) is exactly what happened. I think the Packers and any other team which has audibles of this nature may want to look into revising things because, quite frankly, I think it's absurd to construct a play knowing full well it could backfire. Back to the Vikings, I almost feel sorry for them. That's a very good team but they've hitched their wagon to an inept QB. If I was a Vikings' fan, I'd be irate that they have are so close to being a Super Bowl contender in terms of talent but are so far away because they have neglected the most important position on the field. Oh, and I'm not an Adrian Peterson owner this year (damn) but Childress still doesn't have a clue how to use that guy. As a Packers fan, I'd like to again thank him for not utilizing him more effectively and refusing to incorporate him in any meaningful way in the passing game. As a Peterson owner last year, I know what it's like to see a guy with all that talent and be frustrated he doesn't play for a head coach with a clue how to use him and take full advantage of that all that incredible talent.The only people who knew the play were Rodgers and Driver...it was an audible signaled...Moll's guy went down so Moll kept going to find the next guy to block.Why do yout hink he was totally wrong...several people, including the head coach confirmed it too.But you go ahead and believe an inactive player rather than the head coach.I watched it in slo-mo on the DVR. Moll was 4 yards down field. He actually was run blocking as he totally missed the play.Actually Colledge was another guy who was illegally down field as well. They give you a yard, and he was 2 yards down field, also run blocking. Horrible that these guys missed that play.And Jaworski saying it was a pass/run option, he was totally wrong. I knew it at the time, and told my wife that's absurd. Listening to James Jones this morning on the radio confirmed what I had thought. He laughed when the announcer asked if that was a pass/run option play. He said it was a pass play all the way.
) in the sense that they didn't play very well and still were a drive away from beating a top NFC team on the road.
O.k. so rather than admitting that the Vikings hung in there until the final drive of the game you want to sell it as a blow out. That's fine, take it however you like, it was a great fantasy output for almost everyone involved on the Packers. A win is a win, but that was not a blowout victory nor was it a dominating performance. The penalties incurred were in large part due to players not being able to beat the man they were on so they had to resort to holding and/or Pass Interferance. Multiple times for each penalty. Hardly a marker to ignore, let alone act as if it was just "mental errors" instead of trying to get as many by the refs that they could (of which this is a category I will not deny they outperformed the Vikes.)
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying it'sPretty simple really, it means that in the NFL you build your team for your division. Each division plays a slightly different style. In the NFC North you need to be prepared for cold and sloppy Midwest football. In the NFC South, the Texans specifically drafted Mario Williams over Bush to build up their defense to come after Manning. Early in the decade Ron Wolf drafted 3 straight db's to address the 3 wide wr sets of Carter, Moss, and Reed. Each team is specifically built to compete in their division, it accounts for 6 of your 16 games. I think it is pretty clear cut and obvious. You first win your division and get into the playoffs, then you go from there.I've heard this a couple of times. Do people really say this with a straight face?I mean what exactly do they mean here? The Vikings were built specifically to stop a team with:
A first time starting QB. Or maybe Brett Favre. Whichever one is there.
A team with good WRs.
A team with surprisingly good running game.
How exactly does one go about building such a team geared specifically for stopping that?
J
for the Packer guy to assume the Vikings built their team totally for the MNF game. But even if they did, how exactly would they go about it? The QB was going to be Rodgers. Or maybe Favre. The WRs are solid. The RB is solid. Seems pretty standard fare. J
The "I've been around the NFL a long time" is a nice tidbit, but surely someone with such access into the game (and a Packer fan at that) should know that Favre did this sort of thing all the time. A perfect example was on the play where Driver caught the slant to give Favre the all-time yardage mark. The DB was playing too far off and Favre took the snap and immediately fired. Both of them have stated numerous times that a quick look in the eyes by Favre to Driver changed a runnning play into a quick hitter in which they were the only two of the 11 on offense who knew Favre was gonna throw rather than handoff. Driver and Jennings talk all the time about Favre doing that.The key is to get rid of the ball quick since the linemen will be run blocking. I would imagine Rodgers might have picked up on how successful that 2 man audible has been in the past. His mistake, if he indeed did try this ploy, was trying to incorporate a pump fake into the play. And from what I read that's exactly what Rodgers tried to pull off.Long story short, audibles do occur where the linemen are unaware and you probably could use a little more study time with your NFL associates.
Agreed. While this disadvantage didn't help, the difference was in the QB play. Rodgers is no Favre, but he sure looked solid in this game.That was how I saw it. Vikings got the worse end of the officiating deal by far it seemed to me. The no call on 3rd down when the guy mauled Wade in the 4th quarter was a game changer.Looking at it objectively, it seemed pretty obvious.J
The snide comment wasn't necessary. I'm well aware of the examples you stated, but those were different than what we saw with the Driver non-TD. I stand by what I said. I never said it had never happened before; I said it was the first time I was aware of this type of play occurring where the offensive line had no clue a drop back pass was being called instead of a run. We all saw the results which is why I think the staff may want to consider how these audibles are called in the future.
My snide remark was about as neccessary as you stating your non-existent credentials. And audibles not involving the OL happen all the time. And they often work quite well. The result here was far from an outcome that would warrant the team putting a stop to the practice. Just the opposite, in fact. They were a misstep by a lineman away from hitting big on the ploy. Your point is about as valid as the way you represented yourself.
I represented myself accurately. Your snide comment was unnecessary and added nothing to the discussion. And I stand by my point. If you disagree with it, that's fine. You can do so without resorting to unnecessary comments such as the one you made. At least, one would hope you could.
Because if Moll's guy does not end up on the ground quickly...he is engaged with a person (that is allowed downfield to a certain extent)...the flag was apparently thrown because he was out there without being engaged in a block.There are plenty of audibles and hand signals that were detailed last year with Favre...where it would be between he and a WR.If a DB was playing off...he would give some signal to the WR...even on run plays and just whip it out to them.I've been around the NFL for a long time and this is the first time I've ever heard of an audible which excluded the offensive line being given critical pieces of information. I didn't hear McCarthy's confirmation but I was baffled at Jaws' explanation and I'm baffled at McCarthy confirming this is what happened. I can't understand why you would have an audible which could result in the play being nullifed, which (unfortunately for the Packers) is exactly what happened. I think the Packers and any other team which has audibles of this nature may want to look into revising things because, quite frankly, I think it's absurd to construct a play knowing full well it could backfire. Back to the Vikings, I almost feel sorry for them. That's a very good team but they've hitched their wagon to an inept QB. If I was a Vikings' fan, I'd be irate that they have are so close to being a Super Bowl contender in terms of talent but are so far away because they have neglected the most important position on the field. Oh, and I'm not an Adrian Peterson owner this year (damn) but Childress still doesn't have a clue how to use that guy. As a Packers fan, I'd like to again thank him for not utilizing him more effectively and refusing to incorporate him in any meaningful way in the passing game. As a Peterson owner last year, I know what it's like to see a guy with all that talent and be frustrated he doesn't play for a head coach with a clue how to use him and take full advantage of that all that incredible talent.The only people who knew the play were Rodgers and Driver...it was an audible signaled...Moll's guy went down so Moll kept going to find the next guy to block.Why do yout hink he was totally wrong...several people, including the head coach confirmed it too.But you go ahead and believe an inactive player rather than the head coach.
I see nothing has changed from a few months ago.Nowhere did I claim blowout or even try to sell it as such.
LOL. Typical homer.
1. Pass interference call on Tramon Williams. If the contact occurred only before the ball was in the air, it would have been illegal contact. The way the Packers DBs were covering on Monday night though, Williams was probably humping the leg of the Vikings WR before, during and after the ball was in the air...lol. I give the Packers DBs credit though. If the refs aren't calling it, tackle, ride and hold-away!2. Illegal Lineman Downfield. 
So because the lineman was across the line but it didn't impact the play, the refs shouldn't have called it? With that same logic, what if Rodgers threw that pass downfield to Jennings, then 2-3 seconds later Ray Edwards came around and put his helmet into Rodgers' chest? Personal foul...unnecessary roughness (and a fine). Or....not? Edwards drilling Rodgers late wouldn't have changed the outcome of the play. 
3. Holding call before the two-minute warning. Agreed...although the refs must have seen something in there worth throwing the flag. Either that, or they were still feeling guilty for all those missed holding/interference calls in the Packers defensive backfield for the previous 3.5 quarters. 
4. Kampman. Agreed. Again, if he was tackled or held, flags should have been thrown. Honestly, maybe I just didn't see those as much, because they weren't as obvious and/or out in the open like those ridiculous DB non-calls.Whoever posted earlier about the Packers having 12 penalties to the Vikings 9 as proof that the Vikings didn't get hosed on all those DB non-calls is ridiculous IMHO though. If the Vikings commit 35 penalties and the Packers commit 10 during the game, would the Vikings getting flagged for 15 and the Packers getting flagged for 8 solve the problem?No 
here though. The Pack outplayed the Vikings and the Vikings STILL had a shot to steal a win at the end. The Vikings just didn't get it done...and have no one to blame but themselves. The refs didn't help! However, the refs didn't intercept that pass with under a minute remaining either. Maybe they were too busy trying to adjust the saddle on Bobby Wade or something to try and pick it off though...lol.
It was the same type of play. Winfield was playing off of Driver and the plan was to hit Driver on the slant. Winfield jumped the route(obviously he'd seen this before with Favre and Driver) and Driver was forced to run the double move. It took too long, however, and the linemen(being oblivious to the pass play) were already down field by that time. Moll had a crushing block at the line and moved on to the linebacker. If he hadn't, the play would've stood.
Um, Jennings first TD against the Seahawks last year was exactly this. And on and on. None of the 'look' pass plays between the QB and the WR that Green Bay has been running the last two years have been known by anyone but the QB and the WR. Mike Lombardi wrote about this very thing today over at the National Football Post.The Packers got away with linemen downfield all last year when Brett Favre would use eye contact with his wide receivers. No one on the line knew if he was actually going to throw the ball and clearly some of the Packer opponents from last year complained to the league office, alerting the officials. The way Favre and even Rodgers communicate with wideouts is really remarkable. I have watched countless hours of tape to determine what they do and it is very, very difficult to detect. I admire how they do it.
But how many wrong numbers did Childress call before he got through?
Allen's quote got a ton of press around here, but it was no great surprise when Clifton blanked him as he did the same last season in KC. The real surprise was makeshift center Jason Spitz virtually neutralizing Pat Williams.
"The Donald Driver touchdown that was called back because of Tony Moll being downfield was a run play where Aaron Rodgers decided to pass. Moll was run blocking on the play."http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/...er-vikings.aspxI've been around the NFL for a long time and this is the first time I've ever heard of an audible which excluded the offensive line being given critical pieces of information. I didn't hear McCarthy's confirmation but I was baffled at Jaws' explanation and I'm baffled at McCarthy confirming this is what happened. I can't understand why you would have an audible which could result in the play being nullifed, which (unfortunately for the Packers) is exactly what happened. I think the Packers and any other team which has audibles of this nature may want to look into revising things because, quite frankly, I think it's absurd to construct a play knowing full well it could backfire. Back to the Vikings, I almost feel sorry for them. That's a very good team but they've hitched their wagon to an inept QB. If I was a Vikings' fan, I'd be irate that they have are so close to being a Super Bowl contender in terms of talent but are so far away because they have neglected the most important position on the field.The only people who knew the play were Rodgers and Driver...it was an audible signaled...Moll's guy went down so Moll kept going to find the next guy to block.Why do yout hink he was totally wrong...several people, including the head coach confirmed it too.I watched it in slo-mo on the DVR. Moll was 4 yards down field. He actually was run blocking as he totally missed the play.
Actually Colledge was another guy who was illegally down field as well. They give you a yard, and he was 2 yards down field, also run blocking. Horrible that these guys missed that play.
And Jaworski saying it was a pass/run option, he was totally wrong. I knew it at the time, and told my wife that's absurd. Listening to James Jones this morning on the radio confirmed what I had thought. He laughed when the announcer asked if that was a pass/run option play. He said it was a pass play all the way.
But you go ahead and believe an inactive player rather than the head coach.
Oh, and I'm not an Adrian Peterson owner this year (damn) but Childress still doesn't have a clue how to use that guy. As a Packers fan, I'd like to again thank him for not utilizing him more effectively and refusing to incorporate him in any meaningful way in the passing game. As a Peterson owner last year, I know what it's like to see a guy with all that talent and be frustrated he doesn't play for a head coach with a clue how to use him and take full advantage of that all that incredible talent.
Gotcha. For what it's worth, I don't think the Vikings match up with the Packers well at all. The Packers have a quick hitting, 3 step drop passing game, which helps to neutralize the Viking D-line. They incorporate the zone blocking system with cut blocks and one cut running, which puts those big Williams boys on their butts alot. The Bears match up fairly well with the Packers because they have athletic d-line and fairly physical corners who can knock the wr's off their routes. The Vikings don't have either, and their offense plays right into the Packers defensive strengths. Their poor passing game, and mediocre wr's allow the Packers to pretty much isolate their db's and load the line of scrimmage to stop the run.That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying it'sPretty simple really, it means that in the NFL you build your team for your division. Each division plays a slightly different style. In the NFC North you need to be prepared for cold and sloppy Midwest football. In the NFC South, the Texans specifically drafted Mario Williams over Bush to build up their defense to come after Manning. Early in the decade Ron Wolf drafted 3 straight db's to address the 3 wide wr sets of Carter, Moss, and Reed. Each team is specifically built to compete in their division, it accounts for 6 of your 16 games. I think it is pretty clear cut and obvious. You first win your division and get into the playoffs, then you go from there.I've heard this a couple of times. Do people really say this with a straight face?I mean what exactly do they mean here? The Vikings were built specifically to stop a team with:The Vikings entire offseason was spent to beat the Packers in this game? Whatever Bedard. That's one of the craziest "It's all about us" statements I've ever read.
A first time starting QB. Or maybe Brett Favre. Whichever one is there.
A team with good WRs.
A team with surprisingly good running game.
How exactly does one go about building such a team geared specifically for stopping that?
J
Watching that game against the Colts, all I kept thinking was what a matchup nightmare the Bears are for the Packers this year.
This is just flat wrong. James Jones said "it was a pass play coming out of the huddle". His exact words. Now maybe the pass play selection was an audible, but it a pass play was called in the huddle.The only people who knew the play were Rodgers and Driver...it was an audible signaled...Moll's guy went down so Moll kept going to find the next guy to block.Why do yout hink he was totally wrong...several people, including the head coach confirmed it too.But you go ahead and believe an inactive player rather than the head coach.I watched it in slo-mo on the DVR. Moll was 4 yards down field. He actually was run blocking as he totally missed the play.Actually Colledge was another guy who was illegally down field as well. They give you a yard, and he was 2 yards down field, also run blocking. Horrible that these guys missed that play.And Jaworski saying it was a pass/run option, he was totally wrong. I knew it at the time, and told my wife that's absurd. Listening to James Jones this morning on the radio confirmed what I had thought. He laughed when the announcer asked if that was a pass/run option play. He said it was a pass play all the way.
How would James Jones know? He was on the sideline in street clothes without a headset.This is just flat wrong. James Jones said "it was a pass play coming out of the huddle". His exact words. Now maybe the pass play selection was an audible, but it a pass play was called in the huddle.The only people who knew the play were Rodgers and Driver...it was an audible signaled...Moll's guy went down so Moll kept going to find the next guy to block.Why do yout hink he was totally wrong...several people, including the head coach confirmed it too.But you go ahead and believe an inactive player rather than the head coach.I watched it in slo-mo on the DVR. Moll was 4 yards down field. He actually was run blocking as he totally missed the play.Actually Colledge was another guy who was illegally down field as well. They give you a yard, and he was 2 yards down field, also run blocking. Horrible that these guys missed that play.And Jaworski saying it was a pass/run option, he was totally wrong. I knew it at the time, and told my wife that's absurd. Listening to James Jones this morning on the radio confirmed what I had thought. He laughed when the announcer asked if that was a pass/run option play. He said it was a pass play all the way.
So James Jones, an inactive player in street clothes...a 2nd year guy, says it was wrong.yet we have seen the plays before with driver, Jennings and Favre...the head coach tells you that is what happened...but you chose to believe the 2nd year WR who was inactive for the game?EDIT...forgot to ask...care to show a quote from Jones?I added a link with the summary of McCarthy's press conference backing up my stance.This is just flat wrong. James Jones said "it was a pass play coming out of the huddle". His exact words. Now maybe the pass play selection was an audible, but it a pass play was called in the huddle.The only people who knew the play were Rodgers and Driver...it was an audible signaled...Moll's guy went down so Moll kept going to find the next guy to block.Why do yout hink he was totally wrong...several people, including the head coach confirmed it too.But you go ahead and believe an inactive player rather than the head coach.I watched it in slo-mo on the DVR. Moll was 4 yards down field. He actually was run blocking as he totally missed the play.Actually Colledge was another guy who was illegally down field as well. They give you a yard, and he was 2 yards down field, also run blocking. Horrible that these guys missed that play.And Jaworski saying it was a pass/run option, he was totally wrong. I knew it at the time, and told my wife that's absurd. Listening to James Jones this morning on the radio confirmed what I had thought. He laughed when the announcer asked if that was a pass/run option play. He said it was a pass play all the way.
Yeah...though, I think Rodgers and the Pack can exploit that how I think a fully functional Manning should have (I just don't think he was all there yet...)The Bears will throw everything at Rodgers to confuse him...I think the Pack need to keep it simple though and not get too fancy with it. That defense can be exploited...Manning missed a few times where he had the right reads.And without that Harrison fumble, that game could have been much different...reminded me though of last year with Jones fumbling away that first game.
Exactly what I said Sunday night - and it was the same corner using the same technique. That is a well coached defensive team. I agree with you on keeping it simple. I think Monday night was a great first step - lots of base formations, lots of roll-outs and three and five step drops with two or three guys out with max-protect. Good stuff.
Guilty as charged.LOL. Typical homer.
Watch the replay. Ball in air - Williams has position on the WR and the only "touching" going on is side by side running/jostling by both players.
Refs ignore ticky-tack calls all the time, especially when it has no impact on the outcome of the play. It was the right call - but....stuff like that gets missed a lot.2. Illegal Lineman Downfield.
LOL!3. Holding call before the two-minute warning. Agreed...although the refs must have seen something in there worth throwing the flag. Either that, or they were still feeling guilty for all those missed holding/interference calls in the Packers defensive backfield for the previous 3.5 quarters.
Fair enough.
I posted that. And it was clearly tongue-in-cheek. Mostly just amused that "the Vikings got screwed" despite having fewer penalty yards by a factor of 3.
Tarvaris Jackson sucks.No
http://www.1029thehog.com/pages/2550715.phpAlong the right side where it says Bob n Brian On Demand. #2. You have to listen and it's about 3/4 of the way through where they ask him about it.sho nuff said:So James Jones, an inactive player in street clothes...a 2nd year guy, says it was wrong.yet we have seen the plays before with driver, Jennings and Favre...the head coach tells you that is what happened...but you chose to believe the 2nd year WR who was inactive for the game?Flash said:This is just flat wrong. James Jones said "it was a pass play coming out of the huddle". His exact words. Now maybe the pass play selection was an audible, but it a pass play was called in the huddle.The only people who knew the play were Rodgers and Driver...it was an audible signaled...Moll's guy went down so Moll kept going to find the next guy to block.Why do yout hink he was totally wrong...several people, including the head coach confirmed it too.
Actually Colledge was another guy who was illegally down field as well. They give you a yard, and he was 2 yards down field, also run blocking. Horrible that these guys missed that play.
And Jaworski saying it was a pass/run option, he was totally wrong. I knew it at the time, and told my wife that's absurd. Listening to James Jones this morning on the radio confirmed what I had thought. He laughed when the announcer asked if that was a pass/run option play. He said it was a pass play all the way.
But you go ahead and believe an inactive player rather than the head coach.
EDIT...forgot to ask...care to show a quote from Jones?
I added a link with the summary of McCarthy's press conference backing up my stance.
So you are believe the guy who said he did not even see what happened and did not see the replay?Really?http://www.1029thehog.com/pages/2550715.phpAlong the right side where it says Bob n Brian On Demand. #2. You have to listen and it's about 3/4 of the way through where they ask him about it.sho nuff said:So James Jones, an inactive player in street clothes...a 2nd year guy, says it was wrong.yet we have seen the plays before with driver, Jennings and Favre...the head coach tells you that is what happened...but you chose to believe the 2nd year WR who was inactive for the game?Flash said:This is just flat wrong. James Jones said "it was a pass play coming out of the huddle". His exact words. Now maybe the pass play selection was an audible, but it a pass play was called in the huddle.The only people who knew the play were Rodgers and Driver...it was an audible signaled...Moll's guy went down so Moll kept going to find the next guy to block.Why do yout hink he was totally wrong...several people, including the head coach confirmed it too.I watched it in slo-mo on the DVR. Moll was 4 yards down field. He actually was run blocking as he totally missed the play.
Actually Colledge was another guy who was illegally down field as well. They give you a yard, and he was 2 yards down field, also run blocking. Horrible that these guys missed that play.
And Jaworski saying it was a pass/run option, he was totally wrong. I knew it at the time, and told my wife that's absurd. Listening to James Jones this morning on the radio confirmed what I had thought. He laughed when the announcer asked if that was a pass/run option play. He said it was a pass play all the way.
But you go ahead and believe an inactive player rather than the head coach.
EDIT...forgot to ask...care to show a quote from Jones?
I added a link with the summary of McCarthy's press conference backing up my stance.
Now I know why I stay out of the pool...Michael Fox said:Guilty as charged.datonn said:LOL. Typical homer.
Watch the replay. Ball in air - Williams has position on the WR and the only "touching" going on is side by side running/jostling by both players.datonn said:Refs ignore ticky-tack calls all the time, especially when it has no impact on the outcome of the play. It was the right call - but....stuff like that gets missed a lot.datonn said:2. Illegal Lineman Downfield.
LOL!datonn said:3. Holding call before the two-minute warning. Agreed...although the refs must have seen something in there worth throwing the flag. Either that, or they were still feeling guilty for all those missed holding/interference calls in the Packers defensive backfield for the previous 3.5 quarters.Fair enough.datonn said:I posted that. And it was clearly tongue-in-cheek. Mostly just amused that "the Vikings got screwed" despite having fewer penalty yards by a factor of 3.datonn said:Tarvaris Jackson sucks.datonn said:No
