Couch Potato
Footballguy
Cuz you'd rather be a .220 hitting backup 2nd baseman and make three times as much.
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Vikings sign TE Visanthe Shiancoe (1 Viewer)
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
I've taken players in the past based upon the coaching staff's tendencies, and it hasn't worked out all that well for me. Maybe it will with Childress for you.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Nothing to lose. I cut my 20th guy on the roster for him. You know how it goes in these leagues. These 2 PPR TEs can be gold.Off to watch a movie. See ya Chuck. Hope the old bod is feeling good.
You still havent responded to my previous posts so I'll say it again.Why not take a flyer on the guy if you have the roster room? nobody is saying to drop your #3 wr for him but if i have a backup Def or Kicker or even a backup TE that has proven he stinks why not take a shot? seriously?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
The new hip is doing well. You know what they say, "We can rebuild him", "We can make him better than he was before".
Couch Potato
Footballguy
I thought it was a food additive.OK, now I'm REALLY going...Am I the only one who has NEVER heard of this guy?
Couch Potato
Footballguy
The new hip is doing well. You know what they say, "We can rebuild him", "We can make him better than he was before".
Tick
Footballguy
One of the arguments against Shiancoe in this thread is that he didn't do much when Shockey's been injured.
In Shiancoe's rookie season, he was considered a huge project with good measurables. They had another TE on the roster (Rivers I think), and when Shockey went down for the last 6-7 games, it was no surprise that Shiancoe wasn't the main guy.
Since then, Shockey has sat out the last week of each season which was useless each year, but hasn't missed any other games.
It seems like Shiancoe hasn't had a real chance to show anything.
If someone has watched him extensively in practices and preseason, I'd love to hear what they have to say.
In Shiancoe's rookie season, he was considered a huge project with good measurables. They had another TE on the roster (Rivers I think), and when Shockey went down for the last 6-7 games, it was no surprise that Shiancoe wasn't the main guy.
Since then, Shockey has sat out the last week of each season which was useless each year, but hasn't missed any other games.
It seems like Shiancoe hasn't had a real chance to show anything.
If someone has watched him extensively in practices and preseason, I'd love to hear what they have to say.
He played more than that and had more chances. You're right Rivers was clearly ahead of him. In fact Rivers did quite well then and closing the season 2 seasons ago with the Texans. Anyhow Shockey has had a bum ankle for a while now. There's been a few weeks where he didn't have his a game and Visanthe was looked to. Eli looked lost without Amani. When Tim Carter did well they didn't keep going to him, same with Tyree. Their passing O was horrible and well I still think Visanthe looked bad. He can get open on just about anyone with his combo of size and speed but suddenly he looks dopey. Concrete hands or routes way off or catching with his chest....just dopey.Remember David Patten in preseason? Visanthe's about the same, he rocks if he gets alot of passes. If it's just a couple here N there then he catches a diving one or somesuch and.....he's an all pro.He could be a "practice player" I suppose. The biggest thing the Vikes need to do is get him comfy in real games. Loads of talent to work with but ...I'd compare him to Kris Wilson in KC but ya know, when called upon Kris came thru this year. That's the difference there IMO. Otherwise probably quite similar
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I am hoping the Vikings are right bringing Shiancoe in to be thier main TE.
However no matter how well he does there is no way I can think he was worth this ammount of money. It is bad business imho. This tells me that players do not want to sign in Minnesota and that the Vikings overpayed to keep him from visiting another team. I highly doubt another team would have made a similarly high offer to him even if they really liked him. He has done nothing to earn this kind of contract that I can see.
However no matter how well he does there is no way I can think he was worth this ammount of money. It is bad business imho. This tells me that players do not want to sign in Minnesota and that the Vikings overpayed to keep him from visiting another team. I highly doubt another team would have made a similarly high offer to him even if they really liked him. He has done nothing to earn this kind of contract that I can see.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I did find this:
But 8.2 guaranteed is close to what Gates and Witten got on thier recent contracts. So this is a joke that Shiancoe is being paid this much for having done so little.
I can only hope he performs close to what Witten has done although I think that is unlikely.
ETA- Just to be clear Shiancoe is making 3.7 million over 5 years with 8.2 million being paid up front in 2007.
4 million/year is still quite a bit less than Gonzalez average of 6.25 million but it is getting ridiculously close compared to the other elite TEs in the league. He might be making more than Gates does.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...nfl&id=1331Still looking for somthing more comprehensive on how much the elite TEs are making in the NFL today.
But 8.2 guaranteed is close to what Gates and Witten got on thier recent contracts. So this is a joke that Shiancoe is being paid this much for having done so little.
I can only hope he performs close to what Witten has done although I think that is unlikely.
ETA- Just to be clear Shiancoe is making 3.7 million over 5 years with 8.2 million being paid up front in 2007.
4 million/year is still quite a bit less than Gonzalez average of 6.25 million but it is getting ridiculously close compared to the other elite TEs in the league. He might be making more than Gates does.
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Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
You know two at least.....
JohnnyU must've been offline when the story broke
TecmoBeast
Footballguy
Vikes aren't spending this year. They need to get above the minimum salary cap. A definite sign that they're going with a young QB this year. Not sure if that's Travaris or drafted one? That's how I'm viewing this signing.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Agreed.The Vikings are writing this season off as a developmental year allready and just alocating enough money to reach the cap minimum. Pushing contracts forward to make more cap room in 2008 when there will not likely be as much compitition in FA.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
So. Who do you think the Vikings should take with the #1 overall pick in the 2008 draft?
I personally think they should trade out of the spot and get more picks. I wonder if that's ever been thought of before...
I personally think they should trade out of the spot and get more picks. I wonder if that's ever been thought of before...
Football Jones
Footballguy
I know Shiancoe has some potential (albeit limited), but the money the Vikes gave him is ridiculous, IMO. I'm not familiar with their front office structure so I'm wondering who to blame for this move. Either way, I thought Childress had a better grasp of things there.
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Just when I thought the Ovie Mughelli deal would be the most ridiculous of the off season the Vikes overpay for a guy most teams wouldn't take..I can tell you the Giants loved his athletic ability when he came out of the draft, but the best you can say about his TE play is he looks good in his uniform.
BigJim®
Footballguy
In that case the front office structure worked like a charm.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I could still pick him up in 4 of 5 leagues. It doesn't look like there's a mad rush to pick him up.JohnnyU must've been offline when the story broke
redman
Footballguy
Sounds convincing.
Balco
Footballguy
Yikes.In his defense, I don't think the Giants were sour on him at all. I think they liked him. And he can block, I am not sure where people got the impression he couldn't. He was the blocking tight end in two tight sets. Still, the money is a little puzzling.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
So is Childress or any one else connected with the Vikings saying anything about this signing and why they gave Shiancoe comparable money to Gates for example?
Or are they all being quiet and hoping Viking fans don't really notice how much we have paid this guy?
Or are they all being quiet and hoping Viking fans don't really notice how much we have paid this guy?
stevegamer
Footballguy
Giant fans should be VERY happy. This should translate into a very nice compensatory pick.
Vikings fans should feel confident that they now have confirmed their suspicions of the Vikings' coach & GM's capability level.
Vikings fans should feel confident that they now have confirmed their suspicions of the Vikings' coach & GM's capability level.
Tick
Footballguy
I bid 50 on him in three Z leagues. I don't expect anything from him, but I'm always willing to spend 50 zbucks to hold a guy for awhile to see what happens in preseason.JohnnyU said:I could still pick him up in 4 of 5 leagues. It doesn't look like there's a mad rush to pick him up.Tag said:JohnnyU must've been offline when the story brokeJeff Pasquino said:
