Nakor The Isalani
Footballguy
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2008/09/08/vince-y...ts-knee-injury/
Crazy article I found while looking up VY's injury from yesterday.
Crazy article I found while looking up VY's injury from yesterday.
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Vince Young a Baby? (1 Viewer)
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Young was a great college QB and lets leave it at that.
Banger
Footballguy
I remember hearing similar type rumors last year and then the fact that he was considering retirement (rumored) it just seems like he's a little immature/unstable. It seems like he's terrific when he's on top but has big problems when dealing with adversity. Part of the problem is that he probably hasn't too deal with it too much in his past.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Many people on this board ignored the "maturity/mental stability" of Young out of college and thought he was destined for greatness. Not so much
bmetz
Footballguy
I'm a pretty big Titans and VY homer, but yesterday's game was pretty much the last straw for me. I was almost willing to sit through another year of VY struggles, given the fact that he's surrounded with pretty subpar talent at WR, and is learning Heimerdinger's new system. I mean, his win-loss record is pretty solid over the past 2 years. With the Titans D playing like it is, all we need is for VY to not lose the games for us.
I've never seen a QB act like he did yesterday after throwing that 2nd int. He slowly jogs off the field to a smattering of boos, and on the way gets an earful from Albert Haynesworth who, thanks to his INT, is now heading back on to the field. VY shoves fat albert, proceeds to the defensive side of the Titans bench (away from his offensive teammates), and sits alone with his head in his hands. Heimerdinger walks over to him with a clipboard and appears to be trying to show him something or talk him through things, and Vince never takes his head out of his hands.
Several other players walk over to talk to him and he seems to pretty much ignore them. Then one of the Titans staff walks over with a baseball cap (a gesture I took to mean he wouldn't be coming back in to the game), and Vince ignored him. Meanwhile, the Titans defense does their job again, and the offense has the ball. During a TV timeout, the offensive team makes their way back on to the field, but Vince is still sitting there, alone, on the bench. Kerry Collins starts taking some warmup snaps/throws.
At pretty much the last possible second, Vince gets up, slowly walks over to Fisher, and then slowly jogs on to the field to a parade of boos. Keep in mind, this is the 4th quarter. The Titans are winning 10-7, with the ball, and ~8 minutes left. A couple plays later he gets tackled while rolling out of the pocket, and injures his knee. Collins comes in, goes 2-for-2 for ~70 yards, and Lenwhale rushes in for the game-clinching touchdown.
Not that I blame him really, but Fisher pretty much glossed over the whole situation in his post-game interview. I hope he chewed his ### out behind closed doors though.
I think this could very well be the beginning of the end for VY in Tennessee. If he's going to be out for a few games as he is rumored to be, and Collins comes in and plays well it would really put the coaching staff in a tough spot.
I've never seen a QB act like he did yesterday after throwing that 2nd int. He slowly jogs off the field to a smattering of boos, and on the way gets an earful from Albert Haynesworth who, thanks to his INT, is now heading back on to the field. VY shoves fat albert, proceeds to the defensive side of the Titans bench (away from his offensive teammates), and sits alone with his head in his hands. Heimerdinger walks over to him with a clipboard and appears to be trying to show him something or talk him through things, and Vince never takes his head out of his hands.
Several other players walk over to talk to him and he seems to pretty much ignore them. Then one of the Titans staff walks over with a baseball cap (a gesture I took to mean he wouldn't be coming back in to the game), and Vince ignored him. Meanwhile, the Titans defense does their job again, and the offense has the ball. During a TV timeout, the offensive team makes their way back on to the field, but Vince is still sitting there, alone, on the bench. Kerry Collins starts taking some warmup snaps/throws.
At pretty much the last possible second, Vince gets up, slowly walks over to Fisher, and then slowly jogs on to the field to a parade of boos. Keep in mind, this is the 4th quarter. The Titans are winning 10-7, with the ball, and ~8 minutes left. A couple plays later he gets tackled while rolling out of the pocket, and injures his knee. Collins comes in, goes 2-for-2 for ~70 yards, and Lenwhale rushes in for the game-clinching touchdown.
Not that I blame him really, but Fisher pretty much glossed over the whole situation in his post-game interview. I hope he chewed his ### out behind closed doors though.
I think this could very well be the beginning of the end for VY in Tennessee. If he's going to be out for a few games as he is rumored to be, and Collins comes in and plays well it would really put the coaching staff in a tough spot.
SuperJohn96
RPS World Champion
Didn't he get 6 on the Wonderlic?
Could it not be? Isn't he supposed to be their leader? How would they follow his lead after this? It can't be excused. I'm not sure Fisher and the Titans have much choice here. A humiliating apology might help him save some face with his teammates. The offense was all about Vince and his development. Sure the Chris and Lendale backfield and Alge signing made for nice stories but it was still all about Vince. I would never have guessed it but, don't they have to be done with him now?
sho nuff
Footballguy
How is that relevant in this thread?
culdeus
Footballguy
Because he's not smart?
FavreCo
Footballguy
If they want to make a serious run, that is what needs to happen. This guy is no threat as a QB. Collins isn't the long term answer but neither is Young. The pick of Young over Cutler was and always will be a horrible one.
Avery
Footballguy
It will be a big test for Jeff Fisher and the strength of the leaders on the Titans in regards to how much he can hold this team together or if this pulls the team apart.
I'd imagine that the victory yesterday helped but string a few losses together and you have a tough character test for this team and things could get real ugly.
I'd imagine that the victory yesterday helped but string a few losses together and you have a tough character test for this team and things could get real ugly.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
He did get a very low score and it is incredibly relevant. He is not smart enough to run an NFL offense. That is what it boils down too.
BigJim®
Footballguy
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
I don't figure this instance is about a lack of intelligence but moreso a lack of maturity
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Whether intelligence, will, athleticism, ego or other is the root cause, expectations have not been met with this guy, regardless of how bad his WRs are.Sometimes VY looks like a pro bowler. More often then not, he looks like Kyle Boller. That interception after Garrard's speaks volumes on his future, imho.
sho nuff
Footballguy
This thread is not about his ability to run an offense but him being a baby.His wonderlic score has nothing to do with that kind of attitude.
BigJim®
Footballguy
Really? In your experience, stupid people handle adversity in logical ways?I don't figure this instance is about a lack of intelligence but moreso a lack of maturity
I may have worded that poorly. I think a lack of maturity is a big part of this.Really? In your experience, stupid people handle adversity in logical ways?I don't figure this instance is about a lack of intelligence but moreso a lack of maturity
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Troubling...makes me happy I passed on Young in every draft this year in favor of other QB2s.
I was wondering where the hairy VinceYoung has been we haven't heard from you in a while. I'm glad to see you are ok.
bmetz
Footballguy
Eh, hindsight is 20/20. I'm pretty sure the Titans had it down to VY or Leinart. I don't think Cutler was really in the discussion back then. Not with the 3rd pick anyway. If Leinart couldn't succeed with weapons like Fitz and Boldin, his chances of success with the Titans would be even worse.
Banger
Footballguy
I was tempted to take a run at him from a value/upside POV early in the preseason but after watching how horrible he looked in some of the preseason games I totally scratched him from my lists.
bmetz
Footballguy
Regarding his demeanor on the sideline, I was just trying to convey what I saw at the game yesterday. Everything he did screamed a lack of leadership. I didn't mean to sensationalize Collins' play at all. Though on the play to Gage, he did manage to hit him in stride - setting up the YAC that we saw.
The next few games should be pretty interesting.
Two Deep, I have a correction for you. On the play where VY got hurt he did not hit Scaife and then Scaife dropped it as you say. Scaife was running a shallow cross route at full speed and like every other throw the entire day VY threw very innacurately. In this case, The ball should have been out in front of the receiver instead it was about 2 feet behind Scaife makeing it a very difficult catch. The only "bright" spot of the day for VY was his supposed TD to Johnson. However, on that throw he threw the ball in the darn dirt and Johnson made an incredible catch and even more miraculously kept his balance for the score.
So for those defending Young and minimizing what Collins did , I saw no evidence the entire game that leads me to believe that VY could have made those two throws that Collins did. VY had been screwin up short touch passes and screen passes all day and had thrown behind WRs on several slants and crosses.
Over on the titanscentral board, several fans that were at the game and sitting near Vinve when he was pouting are saying this is what happened:
Heimerdinger came over to him trying to show him something. VY continued to pout as everyone witnessed. Then Heimerdinger said, " get your act togetether or I am going with Collins" VY said, " Fine!". That is when you saw Collins warming up because Heimerdinger had already made up his mind. However, Fisher being the continual crutch for Vince was unwilling to make the tough decision( which was best for the team and obviously the right move) of benching Vy for the remainder of the game. So during the timeout You see Fisher running full speed at VY yelling, " Get in the ******* game!".
In other words, Fisher overruled Heimerdinger's decision.
So for those defending Young and minimizing what Collins did , I saw no evidence the entire game that leads me to believe that VY could have made those two throws that Collins did. VY had been screwin up short touch passes and screen passes all day and had thrown behind WRs on several slants and crosses.
Over on the titanscentral board, several fans that were at the game and sitting near Vinve when he was pouting are saying this is what happened:
Heimerdinger came over to him trying to show him something. VY continued to pout as everyone witnessed. Then Heimerdinger said, " get your act togetether or I am going with Collins" VY said, " Fine!". That is when you saw Collins warming up because Heimerdinger had already made up his mind. However, Fisher being the continual crutch for Vince was unwilling to make the tough decision( which was best for the team and obviously the right move) of benching Vy for the remainder of the game. So during the timeout You see Fisher running full speed at VY yelling, " Get in the ******* game!".
In other words, Fisher overruled Heimerdinger's decision.
No rant. I said a lot about Young back in the day. No use piling on now.But what's weird to me is I can't think of many NFL towns that would be less pressure to play in than Nashville. UT Football is king here. The Titans are a fun team and they have a really nice following. But it's about as far from Philadelphia or New York as you could get. If you can't handle the pressure in Nashville, it won't work anywhere.And he's pretty much loved here. Peyton Manning is still the favored QB in the state (back to the UT is king thing) but he's very well liked. You see lots of Young jerseys. My kids have Young jerseys. People were frustrated with the interceptions last year but most wrote that off to Chow. With Heimerdinger back in, the optimism was pretty high.So I'm really not sure what the problem is. (Or if it's as big a problem as it's being made out to be)J
Chaka
Footballguy
It's relevant to everything that happens in VY's career.
Wildman
Footballguy
I always had a hunch (right or wrong) that the Titans organization was split on three QBs in the 2006 draft.
1. Leinart - Chow liked him because he worked with him at USC.
2. Young - Ownership wanted Young because Adams is from Houston and so is Young.
3. Cutler - I think Fisher and the scouting staff wanted him.
The reasons why I think Fisher and the scouting staff wanted Cutler had to do with the famous night before the draft phone conversation between Shanny and Fisher, who are good friends. Shanny asked Fish what he thought about Cutler and Fisher said something to the effect of "he's everything you want from a starting QB." The next day Denver moves up significantly to grab Cutler.
I think the coach saw enough from Cutler to know he was the real deal and I bet he heard similar things from the scouts. Not that I have proof. I guess it's because I had my QBs rated Cutler-Young-Leinart in that order and find it hard to believe most scouting groups didn't have Cutler rated the best in this class.
Young is on dangerous ground now. As a Titans fan, I really wanted Cutler but I have been behind Young. This doesn't sound good though. The Titans are one of the toughest teams in the NFL, it's why I became a fan - Fisher molded a team that was resilient. Which is the exact word Michael Lombardi used to describe them in his blog today. If this behavior is true or continues to happen, I don't see how Fisher will put up after this year.
Put Cutler on this team and they could have upset the Chargers in the playoffs last year. If he truly pouted as the article suggests...that's just trouble.
1. Leinart - Chow liked him because he worked with him at USC.
2. Young - Ownership wanted Young because Adams is from Houston and so is Young.
3. Cutler - I think Fisher and the scouting staff wanted him.
The reasons why I think Fisher and the scouting staff wanted Cutler had to do with the famous night before the draft phone conversation between Shanny and Fisher, who are good friends. Shanny asked Fish what he thought about Cutler and Fisher said something to the effect of "he's everything you want from a starting QB." The next day Denver moves up significantly to grab Cutler.
I think the coach saw enough from Cutler to know he was the real deal and I bet he heard similar things from the scouts. Not that I have proof. I guess it's because I had my QBs rated Cutler-Young-Leinart in that order and find it hard to believe most scouting groups didn't have Cutler rated the best in this class.
Young is on dangerous ground now. As a Titans fan, I really wanted Cutler but I have been behind Young. This doesn't sound good though. The Titans are one of the toughest teams in the NFL, it's why I became a fan - Fisher molded a team that was resilient. Which is the exact word Michael Lombardi used to describe them in his blog today. If this behavior is true or continues to happen, I don't see how Fisher will put up after this year.
Put Cutler on this team and they could have upset the Chargers in the playoffs last year. If he truly pouted as the article suggests...that's just trouble.
Chaka
Footballguy
I disagree. I don't see how VY will ever be able to turn his attention towards introspection when he may (perhaps) lack the intelligence to recognize that his problems may not have external causes.While intelligence is not required for, nor is it a guarantee of, maturity it sure helps.
