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[massraider]

I remember when this clown came into the league and people thought he would revolutionize the QB spot.

well he WAS one of the best college qbs of all time right?

Don't mean #### when you are playing with the big boys.

He had a very promising rookie year.So, what happened?

He can't pass the ball with the level of accuracy an NFL QB needs. He had a run where he ran around a bit, made some plays, and got a lot of help from his D and special teams.But at some point, the lack of ability to make the routine plays catches up with you. The boring 12 yard outs. The quick slant. He can't do those consistently, and those are the things that keep drives alive, and the kind of things winning QBs need to do regularly.

 

[spider321]

Vince Young is not smart enough to be a successful NFL QB.

 

[Badm]

Is Fisher usually good to his words? Or is he all Coach SPeak...

KFFL) Jim Wyatt, of The Tennessean, reports Tennessee Titans head coach Jeff Fisher said the change to QB Vince Young as the starting quarterback is not a short-term situation. "As far as the future is concerned, I'm not one of those coaches who's going to have musical chairs at the quarterback position," Fisher said.

 

[spider321]

Is Fisher usually good to his words? Or is he all Coach SPeak...KFFL) Jim Wyatt, of The Tennessean, reports Tennessee Titans head coach Jeff Fisher said the change to QB Vince Young as the starting quarterback is not a short-term situation. "As far as the future is concerned, I'm not one of those coaches who's going to have musical chairs at the quarterback position," Fisher said.

Fisher is not calling the shots here.He knows Young doesn't have "it", but the owner wants him to play.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

I remember when this clown came into the league and people thought he would revolutionize the QB spot.

well he WAS one of the best college qbs of all time right?

Don't mean #### when you are playing with the big boys.

He had a very promising rookie year.Won the AP Offensive ROY 2006.

Quotes from that article (January, 2007):

"Vince Young looks as if he'll make the NFL his personal playground"

"...at times looking as unstoppable for the Titans as he did with the Longhorns"

"...the first rookie quarterback to rush for more than 500 yards" (and 7 rushing TDs)

"'He was very prepared when he got here because of the experience he had in college,' said Jeff Fisher"

" 'Besides the physical skills, it's the will and the strength inside, the 'it' factor that a quarterback either has or doesn't have,' said offensive coordinator Norm Chow . 'Obviously, he has it."

So, what happened?

It's obvious the kid struggled with some mental issues. If he once had that "it" factor as Norm Chow said, he lost "it". He couldn't keep it together when fans booed him. That's just unacceptable in the NFL. You don't throw a tantrum and refuse to go back out onto the field. Bad things are GOING to happen. Interceptions will be thrown. But to play in the NFL, you have to go back out there on the next possession and pretend like it is a new beginning every time. You can't let things get to you mentally or it's just a downward spiral.

Vince gets a second chance now. Bad things WILL happen. But his true test will be how he handles adversity.

I honestly don't have much hope for him, but I'm glad he's being given the chance. The Titans need to know if he has "it" back, before 2010 rolls around.

I think this post is right on the money and gets to the point without all the hee haw knee slapping of the likes of favre & co & some of the others. Young can and has done the physical things necessary to be at least a serviceable starter in the NFL, maybe something more. It remains to be seen if he's back to the level he was at mentally for a period in college and for a short time in the pros, where he lets the short term failures slide off his back, and strives for long-term success. He was legendary for having no fear in the huddle, never fearing failure, and just going out there and getting it done, no matter the down and distance. He was also known for always keeping his teammates loose in what would otherwise be the tensest of game situations. From what I've seen of him this year on and (more importantly) off the field, that old, confident VY is coming back. How that translates to game action, we'll have to wait and see. How long it lasts and how he handles the adversities that will come up is key, and for that outcome we'll have to wait and see also.

 

[FavreCo]

Unstoppable his rookie year? Give the planet a break. He had a 12-13 TD/INT ratio. He completed a suckass 51% of his passes and the defense won games for them. Everyone with a pulse and more than 1 brain cell knows this already. He didn't win anything for them. He was the QB when they won and thats as close as he gets to winning games.

Once again I crush the 'Vince Young was once great' with the fact that Kerry Collins outperformed him with a W/L record of 13-3 and the same defense.

The statements by Fisher were simply to pump his guy up. The dude is mentally fragile.

"...the first rookie quarterback to rush for more than 500 yards" (and 7 rushing TDs)"

Because he could not find the open receivers. 1st look covered, run. Also, so what.

"Vince Young looks as if he'll make the NFL his personal playground"

Someone that has no clue.

"...at times looking as unstoppable for the Titans as he did with the Longhorns"

Never saw it. Defense was the only thing you could label unstoppable there. Surely not this hack.

"'He was very prepared when he got here because of the experience he had in college,' said Jeff Fisher"

Way to cover yourself Jeff. You know you didn't beleive what you said.

" 'Besides the physical skills, it's the will and the strength inside, the 'it' factor that a quarterback either has or doesn't have,' said offensive coordinator Norm Chow . 'Obviously, he has it."

Chow wished from day one that he had a QB he could work with. Notice he is gone. It factor?

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Once again I crush the 'Vince Young was once great' with the fact that Kerry Collins outperformed him with a W/L record of 13-3 and the same defense.

...and Chris Johnson.As for "outperforming"...

KC in 2006: 46.7%, 549 YD, 1 TD, 6 INT, 42.3 RAT, RUSH 0-0-0

VY in 2006: 51.5%, 2199 YD, 12 TD, 13 INT, 66.7 RAT, RUSH 83-552-7

VY in 2007: 62.3%, 2546 YD, 9 TD, 17 INT, 71.1 RAT, RUSH 93-396-3

KC in 2008: 58.3%, 2676 YD, 12 TD, 7 INT, 80.2 RAT, RUSH 25-49-0

KC in 2009: 54.8%, 1071 YD, 5 TD, 8 INT, 62 RAT, RUSH 10-16-1

VY in 2009: ?

VY beats KC in an apples to apples year in 2006, the only one we have so far, and we're about to have another. KC was a veteran and this was VY's rookie year. In 2008 KC had Chris Johnson in the backfield. Most people would say this was a huge addition, although I doubt you'll admit as much. Still, the numbers between VY in 2007 and KC in 2008 look pretty similar except for a notable advantage to Collins in the turnover department. VY has to keep the turnovers down. Because of his agressive nature, he'll never be as efficient in this regard as a "game manager", nor should he be, but he has to keep them below his TD output. Collins' job was to be a game manager and not turn over the ball, and he did that. That worked great until the playoffs where you need your qb to actually MAKE plays for you to win. However, here we are in 2009 and your "game manager" has 8 picks in 6 games and isn't making big plays to win games, either. What to do?

In '07, a few of those t/o's could be attributed to Young trying to do too much...trying to put too much of the offense on his back due to a lack of playmakers. He was pretty much it. I heard this referred to over and over by analysts. KC in '08 had CJ and everyone knew it. They rode him to the playoffs. Who could blame them? That offense now isn't the Patriots diverse attack, but at least there's a playmaker or two out there besides VY to take some of the load off of him and he knows that now.

 

[bigreese82]

who's starting VY with the Jacksonville Secondary a little banged up??

expect 1-2 passing tds and a rushing td

1750-225 passing yards

40 yards rushing

 

[gpalmer]

who's starting VY with the Jacksonville Secondary a little banged up??expect 1-2 passing tds and a rushing td1750-225 passing yards40 yards rushing

I am. Had to decide between either him or Alex Smith. My QB situation is horrible, my "starter" Cassel is on his bye.

 

[dcham77]

Climbing aboard after losing out on A Smith and Bulger.

Hoping for at least 175/1/1 and 40/1.

 

[D'OHtis]

Should be interesting to see how rusty he is.

I'm expecting big games from Johnson & Scaife.

 

[Fennis]

Unstoppable his rookie year? Give the planet a break. He had a 12-13 TD/INT ratio. He completed a suckass 51% of his passes and the defense won games for them. Everyone with a pulse and more than 1 brain cell knows this already. He didn't win anything for them. He was the QB when they won and thats as close as he gets to winning games.

Once again I crush the 'Vince Young was once great' with the fact that Kerry Collins outperformed him with a W/L record of 13-3 and the same defense.

The statements by Fisher were simply to pump his guy up. The dude is mentally fragile.

"...the first rookie quarterback to rush for more than 500 yards" (and 7 rushing TDs)"

Because he could not find the open receivers. 1st look covered, run. Also, so what.

"Vince Young looks as if he'll make the NFL his personal playground"

Someone that has no clue.

"...at times looking as unstoppable for the Titans as he did with the Longhorns"

Never saw it. Defense was the only thing you could label unstoppable there. Surely not this hack.

"'He was very prepared when he got here because of the experience he had in college,' said Jeff Fisher"

Way to cover yourself Jeff. You know you didn't beleive what you said.

" 'Besides the physical skills, it's the will and the strength inside, the 'it' factor that a quarterback either has or doesn't have,' said offensive coordinator Norm Chow . 'Obviously, he has it."

Chow wished from day one that he had a QB he could work with. Notice he is gone. It factor?

Year Team G Att Comp Pct Yards TD Int Rate 1991 Atlanta Falcons 2 4 0 0.0 0 0 2 0.0

1992 Green Bay Packers 15 471 302 64.1 3,227 18 13 85.3

1993 Green Bay Packers 16 522 318 60.9 3,303 19 24 72.2

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Is Fisher usually good to his words? Or is he all Coach SPeak...KFFL) Jim Wyatt, of The Tennessean, reports Tennessee Titans head coach Jeff Fisher said the change to QB Vince Young as the starting quarterback is not a short-term situation. "As far as the future is concerned, I'm not one of those coaches who's going to have musical chairs at the quarterback position," Fisher said.

That's more of a commentary on Kerry Collins' status than Vince Young's status.

 

[karmarooster]

I am so happy to see Vince Young help the Titans get their first win today. Having read through this thread, it looks like most posters expected and particularly WANTED him to fail. On the other hand, I picked him up in my dynasty league two weeks ago because I was expecting this. If he plays with heart he's a good enough QB2 because of his rushing ability. I love to see the guy giving effort to convert on third down with his legs.

I think Jeff Fisher was, like many in this thread, a little spiteful when it came to Young. Maybe he wanted Young to fail so he could say "told ya so" to the management. Instead, it looks like Bud Adams, not Fisher, made the right call here.

That Rose Bowl was probably the best football game I will ever see. I think if Vince hadn't played out of his mind that night, there wouldn't have been so much expected from him at the pro-level. He will always be somewhat lacking when it comes to a typical pro-skillset, and won't ever be Brady or Manning, but here's to hoping he has a long and productive career in the NFL.

ETA - Typical VY boxscore: 125 yards passing, 1 TD, 30 yards rushing. Although somewhat atypical because he was 15/18 passing.

 

[LHUCKS]

I'm rooting for the kid...although I stand by my original criticism of him that he doesn't have the right tools to be an effective NFL QB. I hope he proves me wrong because he seems like a good guy.

 

[basher]

I acquired a 12 team keeper league squad this year with Carson and Jason Campbell at the helm ... dropped Campbell but there really wasn't much on the wire so I took a shot with VY ... He did exactly what I needed him to do

 

[Bri]

Unstoppable his rookie year? Give the planet a break. He had a 12-13 TD/INT ratio. He completed a suckass 51% of his passes and the defense won games for them. Everyone with a pulse and more than 1 brain cell knows this already. He didn't win anything for them. He was the QB when they won and thats as close as he gets to winning games.

Once again I crush the 'Vince Young was once great' with the fact that Kerry Collins outperformed him with a W/L record of 13-3 and the same defense.

The statements by Fisher were simply to pump his guy up. The dude is mentally fragile.

"...the first rookie quarterback to rush for more than 500 yards" (and 7 rushing TDs)"

Because he could not find the open receivers. 1st look covered, run. Also, so what.

8? 9? games as a rook

" 'Besides the physical skills, it's the will and the strength inside, the 'it' factor that a quarterback either has or doesn't have,' said offensive coordinator Norm Chow . 'Obviously, he has it."

Chow wished from day one that he had a QB he could work with. Notice he is gone. It factor?

Young did as a rook. They made the playoffs winning several close games. The guy has been jekyl and hide, he was horrible after his rookie year.

 

[Verbal Kint]

I remember when this clown came into the league and people thought he would revolutionize the QB spot.

well he WAS one of the best college qbs of all time right?

Don't mean #### when you are playing with the big boys.

He had a very promising rookie year.Won the AP Offensive ROY 2006.

Quotes from that article (January, 2007):

"Vince Young looks as if he'll make the NFL his personal playground"

"...at times looking as unstoppable for the Titans as he did with the Longhorns"

"...the first rookie quarterback to rush for more than 500 yards" (and 7 rushing TDs)

"'He was very prepared when he got here because of the experience he had in college,' said Jeff Fisher"

" 'Besides the physical skills, it's the will and the strength inside, the 'it' factor that a quarterback either has or doesn't have,' said offensive coordinator Norm Chow . 'Obviously, he has it."

So, what happened?

It's obvious the kid struggled with some mental issues. If he once had that "it" factor as Norm Chow said, he lost "it". He couldn't keep it together when fans booed him. That's just unacceptable in the NFL. You don't throw a tantrum and refuse to go back out onto the field. Bad things are GOING to happen. Interceptions will be thrown. But to play in the NFL, you have to go back out there on the next possession and pretend like it is a new beginning every time. You can't let things get to you mentally or it's just a downward spiral.

Vince gets a second chance now. Bad things WILL happen. But his true test will be how he handles adversity.

I honestly don't have much hope for him, but I'm glad he's being given the chance. The Titans need to know if he has "it" back, before 2010 rolls around.

I think Vince has a great year. I 100% agree he has mental issues. When he was last a starter, he was expected to carry the team to the playoffs. Now, however, he has no pressure. There's nothing to lose. Without that burden, I think he gets back to just playing ball. And I think he will excel.

 

[Verbal Kint]

As an aside, IF Vince does have a great year, I wonder what this does for Tebow's draft status.

 

[Mister CIA]

Outsider looking in, I'm pretty sure the debate boils down to whether or not you can look past one very bad weekend.

Sign me up for a great bargain.

 

[editor47]

i've got 1 foot on the vince young bandwagon and 1 on the alex smith bandwagon. hopefully, i will get a solid QB2 in a start 2 QB league to go with Matt Schaub for 2010. i'll play matchups the rest of this year, i think, unless one starts really outplaying the other.

 

[massraider]

I remember when this clown came into the league and people thought he would revolutionize the QB spot.

well he WAS one of the best college qbs of all time right?

Don't mean #### when you are playing with the big boys.

He had a very promising rookie year.Won the AP Offensive ROY 2006.

Quotes from that article (January, 2007):

"Vince Young looks as if he'll make the NFL his personal playground"

"...at times looking as unstoppable for the Titans as he did with the Longhorns"

"...the first rookie quarterback to rush for more than 500 yards" (and 7 rushing TDs)

"'He was very prepared when he got here because of the experience he had in college,' said Jeff Fisher"

" 'Besides the physical skills, it's the will and the strength inside, the 'it' factor that a quarterback either has or doesn't have,' said offensive coordinator Norm Chow . 'Obviously, he has it."

So, what happened?

It's obvious the kid struggled with some mental issues. If he once had that "it" factor as Norm Chow said, he lost "it". He couldn't keep it together when fans booed him. That's just unacceptable in the NFL. You don't throw a tantrum and refuse to go back out onto the field. Bad things are GOING to happen. Interceptions will be thrown. But to play in the NFL, you have to go back out there on the next possession and pretend like it is a new beginning every time. You can't let things get to you mentally or it's just a downward spiral.

Vince gets a second chance now. Bad things WILL happen. But his true test will be how he handles adversity.

I honestly don't have much hope for him, but I'm glad he's being given the chance. The Titans need to know if he has "it" back, before 2010 rolls around.

I think this post is right on the money and gets to the point without all the hee haw knee slapping of the likes of favre & co & some of the others. Young can and has done the physical things necessary to be at least a serviceable starter in the NFL, maybe something more. It remains to be seen if he's back to the level he was at mentally for a period in college and for a short time in the pros, where he lets the short term failures slide off his back, and strives for long-term success. He was legendary for having no fear in the huddle, never fearing failure, and just going out there and getting it done, no matter the down and distance. He was also known for always keeping his teammates loose in what would otherwise be the tensest of game situations. From what I've seen of him this year on and (more importantly) off the field, that old, confident VY is coming back. How that translates to game action, we'll have to wait and see. How long it lasts and how he handles the adversities that will come up is key, and for that outcome we'll have to wait and see also.

This is the problem, people talk about Vince, and it read like the back of a bad paperback.Eventually, to be a successful QB, he's going to have to pas the ball well. Period. There's no way around it.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

This is the problem, people talk about Vince, and it read like the back of a bad paperback.Eventually, to be a successful QB, he's going to have to pas the ball well. Period. There's no way around it.

Well, he got off to a pretty good start last Sunday, picking up right where he left off in the preseason. Actually, it looked like even an improvement upon that improvement.ETA: While that may read corny to you, that's taken from countless first-hand accounts from teammates. It's just the way it was. It doesn't matter, though. You're right. He's gonna have to throw the ball well, but he's doing that, at least right now.

 

[bmetz]

i've got 1 foot on the vince young bandwagon and 1 on the alex smith bandwagon. hopefully, i will get a solid QB2 in a start 2 QB league to go with Matt Schaub for 2010. i'll play matchups the rest of this year, i think, unless one starts really outplaying the other.

Smith's schedule during the last 2-3 weeks of the season is great. Pretty sure he gets St. Louis @ home, and @ Detroit.

 

[gpthatsme]

what do we think now?

 

[the hairy scotsman]

what do we think now?

Going according to plan.

 

[bigreese82]

3-0...lets go ...Train still has room..lol

 

[munygon2]

I started him this week and he produced a ton more points than Alex Smith. I was happy with his performance.

 

[BigJim®]

Certainly many facets of the Titans are playing better, and some of that may have nothing to do with Vince. That said, Vince deserves huge props IMHO for confronting a challenge when no one expected him to succeed - when even some teammates were saying Kerry's still their guy - and playing very good football.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Titans average scoring for the first six games: 14

Titans average scoring for the last three games: 35

Chris Johnson's take:

Johnson quickly is becoming Young's favorite target whether he's tossing Johnson short passes or pitching to him off the option. Young also threw for a touchdown and finished with 210 yards passing in winning his seventh straight start. He also ran five times for 29 yards.

"Defenses, they have to choose," Johnson said. "Do you want to stop 10 [Young]? Or do you want to stop [28]? That's what me and Vince say every day. Whichever one you choose to stop, the other one is going to have a good day."

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=291115010...and then there's this Tennessean writer, who has previously been one of Young's harsh critics:

With every carry, Chris Johnson makes a case for himself as the best running back in the NFL.

With every start, Vince Young makes a better argument for those who think he should have been playing much sooner this season.

And with every game, the Titans keep proving that maybe all is not lost with the 2009 season.

The Titans made it three in a row on Sunday by running away from the Bills, 41-17.

Johnson continued to run away from defenders — he piled up 232 all-purpose yards while rushing for more than 100 yards for the fourth straight game — but he got plenty of help from Young.

“Defenses, they have to choose,” Johnson said. “Do you want to stop 10 (Young)? Or do you want to stop (28)? That’s what me and Vince say every day. Whichever one you choose to stop, the other one is going to have a good day.”

Both players had a good day on Sunday.

Johnson rushed for 132 yards while catching nine passes for 100 yards. He became only the second player in franchise history to have 100 yards rushing and receiving in the same game, something Billy Cannon did for the Oilers in 1961. Johnson has 1,091 rushing yards this season.

“There’s a reason why he’s the No. 1 back in the league,’’ Bills safety George Wilson said. “He showed it again today.’’

Young, meanwhile, showed continued maturation as the Titans (3-6) won for the third time since he replaced Kerry Collins as the starter.

He continued to make good decisions, going 17-of-25 passing for 210 yards and a touchdown. And although he threw his first interception since becoming the starter, he didn’t let that taste of adversity faze him.

“Why would one play affect him after all he has gone through in the past here? For us, doubt never came into anybody’s mind,’’ tight end Alge Crumpler said. “He does what pros do, he came back from it.’’

Young threw a 14-yard touchdown pass to Nate Washington in the first half to give the Titans a 14-7 lead, a little more than 4 minutes after Johnson scored his first touchdown of the day on a 28-yard run. Johnson would later score on a 1-yard run, giving him a two-touchdown game for the second week in a row.

While Johnson stayed busy, Young stayed poised, even when the Bills (3-6) were making a game of it before a complete collapse at the end. The score was 17-17 heading into the fourth quarter.

“Vince has an angel on his back,’’ rookie receiver Kenny Britt said. “He is playing excellent and that is what you want in a quarterback. I take my hat off to him. He is playing with so much confidence after some tough times and everything he had to go through.

“But from that first game back it’s clear someone is guiding him right now, and I think God has stepped in and helped that man out through his tough times and to better days.’’

After walking to his press conference with the late Steve McNair’s sons by his side, Young credited his teammates and coaches.

“I just want to continue to do my job as quarterback and lead the guys down the field,’’ he said. “I am just taking what the defense gives me, being very patient.’’

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20091115...1/1030/SPORTS04