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Vince Young QB13 going forward? (1 Viewer)
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aldelgreco
Footballguy
mon
(T)ool
Nice trade. I dropped Young last week. I'd love to have Hasselbeck, with the QBs I've got.
According to ESPN, despite those horrid numbers Vince Young 'just wins'. 
Wasn't he the #6 projected QB for the year prior to the draft? Still ranking him at #13 is a clear sign that someone is not wanting to admit VY sucks and wants to save face. Take all those rankings with a grain of salt; some of the 'experts' are just guys throwing darts at a board.
Wasn't he the #6 projected QB for the year prior to the draft? Still ranking him at #13 is a clear sign that someone is not wanting to admit VY sucks and wants to save face. Take all those rankings with a grain of salt; some of the 'experts' are just guys throwing darts at a board.
mon
(T)ool
I like the guy, I want him to do well, and yes I am a UT fan, but enough is enough. The numbers are all that matter in FF. :duh:According to ESPN, despite those horrid numbers Vince Young 'just wins'.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Just wins? My feeling is Young is the reason the Titans are not blowing people out. If the Titans fall behind early they are in a heap of trouble.According to ESPN, despite those horrid numbers Vince Young 'just wins'.Wasn't he the #6 projected QB for the year prior to the draft? Still ranking him at #13 is a clear sign that someone is not wanting to admit VY sucks and wants to save face. Take all those rankings with a grain of salt; some of the 'experts' are just guys throwing darts at a board.
I drafted him hoping for more rushing yards than he is getting. He's getting clsoe to the cut line. The problem is noone wants him in a trade and there isn't much on the WW. If Atlanta decides to start running again VY could start posting some pretty good #s. He's a pretty big gamble right now.
I'm torn because in many leagues a rushing QB has the chance to put up some huge weeks. I expect that during my FF playoffs I won't want to risk it though.
I'm torn because in many leagues a rushing QB has the chance to put up some huge weeks. I expect that during my FF playoffs I won't want to risk it though.
Well, look at the scrubs below him:
104 QB14 QB13 Marc Bulger StL/9 141
109 QB15 QB17 Matt Schaub Hou/10 118
114 QB16 QB12 Philip Rivers SD/7 100
125 QB17 QB18 Brian Griese Chi/9 73
128 QB18 QB19 Jeff Garcia TB/10 69
136 QB19 QB14 Jay Cutler Den/6 60
139 QB20 QB20 Kurt Warner Ari/8 57
148 QB21 QB21 Jason Campbell Was/4 48
151 QB22 QB35 J.P. Losman Buf/6 45
155 QB23 QB25 Kellen Clemens NYJ/10 41
160 QB24 QB22 Alex Smith SF/6 36
163 QB25 QB39 Byron Leftwich Atl/8 33
164 QB26 QB23 David Garrard Jac/4 32
179 QB27 QB31 Damon Huard KC/8 17
195 QB28 Josh McCown Oak/5 8
203 QB29 QB32 Quinn Gray Jac/4 7
So many question marks, it's ridiculous. Granted, I like Garrard better than VY, but VY has at least proven himself (albeit last year) to be a better option than most of the guys above.
I am not a VY apologist! Where does he rank with the guys above?
104 QB14 QB13 Marc Bulger StL/9 141
109 QB15 QB17 Matt Schaub Hou/10 118
114 QB16 QB12 Philip Rivers SD/7 100
125 QB17 QB18 Brian Griese Chi/9 73
128 QB18 QB19 Jeff Garcia TB/10 69
136 QB19 QB14 Jay Cutler Den/6 60
139 QB20 QB20 Kurt Warner Ari/8 57
148 QB21 QB21 Jason Campbell Was/4 48
151 QB22 QB35 J.P. Losman Buf/6 45
155 QB23 QB25 Kellen Clemens NYJ/10 41
160 QB24 QB22 Alex Smith SF/6 36
163 QB25 QB39 Byron Leftwich Atl/8 33
164 QB26 QB23 David Garrard Jac/4 32
179 QB27 QB31 Damon Huard KC/8 17
195 QB28 Josh McCown Oak/5 8
203 QB29 QB32 Quinn Gray Jac/4 7
So many question marks, it's ridiculous. Granted, I like Garrard better than VY, but VY has at least proven himself (albeit last year) to be a better option than most of the guys above.
I am not a VY apologist! Where does he rank with the guys above?
packersfan
Footballguy
I'd much rather have all of the bolded QBs than Young. All of them are either better passers or have at least one quality WR to throw to or more. Even in a start-2 QB league I don't know how you can start Young right now. His passing is pathetic and he's not running like he did last season. Hard to see him doing much this week against the Jags either.
mon
(T)ool
Personally, I'd add Garrard and even McCown. They're both averaging better games than Young.
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
Then you haven't been paying attention. Young and company are doing what Fish wants, and that's why they're 6-2. How many other qbs can make that claim?In FF terms, I've thought he was rated too highly since I saw the Titans lose their top wr and top rb in the off season. He has no weapons to stretch the field and is running an ultra conservative offense and leaning on an outstanding defense, which given the strengths of this team, is probably what I'd do, too. However, I'd let Young run and improvise a little more.Just wins? My feeling is Young is the reason the Titans are not blowing people out. If the Titans fall behind early they are in a heap of trouble.According to ESPN, despite those horrid numbers Vince Young 'just wins'.
Wasn't he the #6 projected QB for the year prior to the draft? Still ranking him at #13 is a clear sign that someone is not wanting to admit VY sucks and wants to save face. Take all those rankings with a grain of salt; some of the 'experts' are just guys throwing darts at a board.
This season reminds me a lot of Young's soph season at Texas. We had all seen the his brilliant ability, but he had a bad first half of that season and struggled at times in the offense. Starting the second half of that season, everything started to gel and he became just an animal for the rest of his college career.
Young and this offense are a work in progress. From a talent standpoint, he's running a nearly one-dimensional offense in that his biggest pass-receiving threats are TEs. He needs weapons to stretch the field, and Chow apparently needs to talk to Greg Davis to see how he used Young so well (one thing for which I must credit GD).
Anyone who thinks they've seen the measure of what Young will do in the NFL is mistaken.
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packersfan
Footballguy
mon
(T)ool
lol, I've been indicted! No, I didn't see the game, but this year's stats favor McCown over Young. I personally wouldn't want either one on my team, but damn, I'm getting desperate. Every QB I pick up goes down. Even though Warner only gave me 4 pts this week, I was still high point man in my league. Truly, I'd be happy with just a 15 pt average from my QB!Edited to add: Young's qb rating: 61.5 McCown's qb rating: 62.5
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No, if VY were doing what the Fish wanted he'd be passing for multiple TDs and not multiple INTs and he'd be contributing alot more to the Titans offense and not their opponents. The Titans are 6-2 DESPITE Vince Young. Just like the Bears last year were 13-3 DESPITE Rex Grossman. Quit drinking the kool-aid and speak the truth.Then you haven't been paying attention. Young and company are doing what Fish wants, and that's why they're 6-2. How many other qbs can make that claim?Anyone who thinks they've seen the measure of what Young will do in the NFL is mistaken.Just wins? My feeling is Young is the reason the Titans are not blowing people out. If the Titans fall behind early they are in a heap of trouble.According to ESPN, despite those horrid numbers Vince Young 'just wins'.
Wasn't he the #6 projected QB for the year prior to the draft? Still ranking him at #13 is a clear sign that someone is not wanting to admit VY sucks and wants to save face. Take all those rankings with a grain of salt; some of the 'experts' are just guys throwing darts at a board.
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
LOL.I did speak the truth.No, if VY were doing what the Fish wanted he'd be passing for multiple TDs and not multiple INTs and he'd be contributing alot more to the Titans offense and not their opponents. The Titans are 6-2 DESPITE Vince Young. Just like the Bears last year were 13-3 DESPITE Rex Grossman. Quit drinking the kool-aid and speak the truth.Then you haven't been paying attention. Young and company are doing what Fish wants, and that's why they're 6-2. How many other qbs can make that claim?Anyone who thinks they've seen the measure of what Young will do in the NFL is mistaken.Just wins? My feeling is Young is the reason the Titans are not blowing people out. If the Titans fall behind early they are in a heap of trouble.According to ESPN, despite those horrid numbers Vince Young 'just wins'.
Wasn't he the #6 projected QB for the year prior to the draft? Still ranking him at #13 is a clear sign that someone is not wanting to admit VY sucks and wants to save face. Take all those rankings with a grain of salt; some of the 'experts' are just guys throwing darts at a board.
I'm not gonna get into a p*ssing contest with you. Time will tell.
thehornet
Footballguy
i'd have to agree that Young isn't exactly doing what the coach is asking. Yes, he is a gameclock manager but nithing more. Maybe he'll develope as a passer, maybe he won't. Time will tell. That being said, i traded him. enough is enough.LOL.I did speak the truth.No, if VY were doing what the Fish wanted he'd be passing for multiple TDs and not multiple INTs and he'd be contributing alot more to the Titans offense and not their opponents. The Titans are 6-2 DESPITE Vince Young. Just like the Bears last year were 13-3 DESPITE Rex Grossman. Quit drinking the kool-aid and speak the truth.Then you haven't been paying attention. Young and company are doing what Fish wants, and that's why they're 6-2. How many other qbs can make that claim?Anyone who thinks they've seen the measure of what Young will do in the NFL is mistaken.Just wins? My feeling is Young is the reason the Titans are not blowing people out. If the Titans fall behind early they are in a heap of trouble.According to ESPN, despite those horrid numbers Vince Young 'just wins'.
Wasn't he the #6 projected QB for the year prior to the draft? Still ranking him at #13 is a clear sign that someone is not wanting to admit VY sucks and wants to save face. Take all those rankings with a grain of salt; some of the 'experts' are just guys throwing darts at a board.
I'm not gonna get into a p*ssing contest with you. Time will tell.
mon
(T)ool
Time won't tell about the past -- time has already told. He and you were discussing why they're 6-2. Look at Young's stats, they're horrible. Any coach would expect better from his QB. Their Def and RBs have saved them this year.LOL.I did speak the truth.No, if VY were doing what the Fish wanted he'd be passing for multiple TDs and not multiple INTs and he'd be contributing alot more to the Titans offense and not their opponents. The Titans are 6-2 DESPITE Vince Young. Just like the Bears last year were 13-3 DESPITE Rex Grossman. Quit drinking the kool-aid and speak the truth.Then you haven't been paying attention. Young and company are doing what Fish wants, and that's why they're 6-2. How many other qbs can make that claim?Anyone who thinks they've seen the measure of what Young will do in the NFL is mistaken.Just wins? My feeling is Young is the reason the Titans are not blowing people out. If the Titans fall behind early they are in a heap of trouble.According to ESPN, despite those horrid numbers Vince Young 'just wins'.
Wasn't he the #6 projected QB for the year prior to the draft? Still ranking him at #13 is a clear sign that someone is not wanting to admit VY sucks and wants to save face. Take all those rankings with a grain of salt; some of the 'experts' are just guys throwing darts at a board.
I'm not gonna get into a p*ssing contest with you. Time will tell.
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the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
What should he be doing differently?i'd have to agree that Young isn't exactly doing what the coach is asking. Yes, he is a gameclock manager but nithing more. Maybe he'll develope as a passer, maybe he won't. Time will tell. That being said, i traded him. enough is enough.LOL.I did speak the truth.No, if VY were doing what the Fish wanted he'd be passing for multiple TDs and not multiple INTs and he'd be contributing alot more to the Titans offense and not their opponents. The Titans are 6-2 DESPITE Vince Young. Just like the Bears last year were 13-3 DESPITE Rex Grossman. Quit drinking the kool-aid and speak the truth.Then you haven't been paying attention. Young and company are doing what Fish wants, and that's why they're 6-2. How many other qbs can make that claim?Anyone who thinks they've seen the measure of what Young will do in the NFL is mistaken.Just wins? My feeling is Young is the reason the Titans are not blowing people out. If the Titans fall behind early they are in a heap of trouble.According to ESPN, despite those horrid numbers Vince Young 'just wins'.
Wasn't he the #6 projected QB for the year prior to the draft? Still ranking him at #13 is a clear sign that someone is not wanting to admit VY sucks and wants to save face. Take all those rankings with a grain of salt; some of the 'experts' are just guys throwing darts at a board.
I'm not gonna get into a p*ssing contest with you. Time will tell.
The main problems for Young owners are:
1) the amazing turnaround of the Titans defense because Fisher is now content to run all day and rely on the defense. The majority of Vince's passing opportunities are on 3rd and long after runs on 1st and 2nd down....that kind of offense is not conducive to good fantasy stats for a QB, especially when your team has been ahead most of the time.
(2) Lack of rushing stats by Young because he's trying too hard to be a passer and avoid injury so he's not making good decisions on when to tuck and run. I think he'll do better with that over the second half than he has, but it won't likely start this week against Jax, they've had his number so far.
(3) His receivers suck. They have dropped multiple TD passes already this year, and several key 3rd down passes as well. Titans must get him better weapons.
I actually think differently than the prior poster. If the Titans start losing or falling behind more in games, that would be a huge help to VY FF owners (not so much to Titan fans).
1) the amazing turnaround of the Titans defense because Fisher is now content to run all day and rely on the defense. The majority of Vince's passing opportunities are on 3rd and long after runs on 1st and 2nd down....that kind of offense is not conducive to good fantasy stats for a QB, especially when your team has been ahead most of the time.
(2) Lack of rushing stats by Young because he's trying too hard to be a passer and avoid injury so he's not making good decisions on when to tuck and run. I think he'll do better with that over the second half than he has, but it won't likely start this week against Jax, they've had his number so far.
(3) His receivers suck. They have dropped multiple TD passes already this year, and several key 3rd down passes as well. Titans must get him better weapons.
I actually think differently than the prior poster. If the Titans start losing or falling behind more in games, that would be a huge help to VY FF owners (not so much to Titan fans).
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
Bingo.They haven't asked Young for heroics because they haven't needed them. When they do, he'll be there.
I live in Atlanta and this sounds EXACTLY like almost all the excuses the Mike Vick apologists were using. 1. 'This is a running team' 2. 'His receivers are dropping the balls' 3. 'He isn't getting enough opportunities to pass'. What do the two subjects have in common? Both are black RUNNING QBs that are OVERRATED. Teams have figured out how to defend this and make these type of QBs actually have to pass the ball. I'm not saying he won't improve; I'm saying currently he sucks and is useless FF wise. Young needs to do what Vick should have been doing instead of fighting dogs in the off season; put in some serious work on his passing skills.
LILB811
Footballguy
Games VY has a QB rating over 51 the Titans are 1-2. Games he has a QB rating under 51 the Titans are 4-0. Go figure. I like Vince and hope he does well, but for fantasy purposes, the stats are just not there, and haven't been for most of the season. Obviously the defense has been great for Tennessee this year, but I'm gonna try to take a different angle.
When looking at last year's stats, Vince never set the world on fire throwing the ball (save the Giants and Bills games when the Titans were behind in the 4th quarter). They haven't been behind too much this year. Even still, the difference I believe is in his running stats. They just have not been anywhere near the level we saw last year, and unless that changes, Vince's value is probably going to stay low.
Vince is a better real life QB than fantasy QB. Expectations should be tempered.
When looking at last year's stats, Vince never set the world on fire throwing the ball (save the Giants and Bills games when the Titans were behind in the 4th quarter). They haven't been behind too much this year. Even still, the difference I believe is in his running stats. They just have not been anywhere near the level we saw last year, and unless that changes, Vince's value is probably going to stay low.
Vince is a better real life QB than fantasy QB. Expectations should be tempered.
Calvitron Johnson
Footballguy
He will definately be there. He just won't produce. He may want to take a close look at the current Steve McNair for his future.
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
There was one game when they needed his heroics. The 2-point loss to Indy. He responded by getting the ball in position for a game-winning FG...where Brandon Jones promptly dropped it. C'mon man.Should VY have caught it, too?
thehornet
Footballguy
well the easy answer to your question is to stop throwing so many picks. We are talking fantasy QB value not real life. I am not looking for a QB that will make the real life playoffs. iAm looking for one to throw for scores and run for scores. that is what i though i drafted. apparently, i did not.What should he be doing differently?i'd have to agree that Young isn't exactly doing what the coach is asking. Yes, he is a gameclock manager but nithing more. Maybe he'll develope as a passer, maybe he won't. Time will tell. That being said, i traded him. enough is enough.LOL.I did speak the truth.No, if VY were doing what the Fish wanted he'd be passing for multiple TDs and not multiple INTs and he'd be contributing alot more to the Titans offense and not their opponents. The Titans are 6-2 DESPITE Vince Young. Just like the Bears last year were 13-3 DESPITE Rex Grossman. Quit drinking the kool-aid and speak the truth.Then you haven't been paying attention. Young and company are doing what Fish wants, and that's why they're 6-2. How many other qbs can make that claim?Anyone who thinks they've seen the measure of what Young will do in the NFL is mistaken.Just wins? My feeling is Young is the reason the Titans are not blowing people out. If the Titans fall behind early they are in a heap of trouble.According to ESPN, despite those horrid numbers Vince Young 'just wins'.
Wasn't he the #6 projected QB for the year prior to the draft? Still ranking him at #13 is a clear sign that someone is not wanting to admit VY sucks and wants to save face. Take all those rankings with a grain of salt; some of the 'experts' are just guys throwing darts at a board.
I'm not gonna get into a p*ssing contest with you. Time will tell.
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
The OP was talking about FF. Some posters here are talking real life. Some FF. Some both. My question was in response to poster talking mostly about real football....and obviously, throwing less picks would be ideal, right? Every coach wants every qb to throw less picks. But what is VY doing that Fish doesn't want him to do that is leading to him throwing picks? You could make the argument that 80%of the qbs in the league should be throwing less picks.well the easy answer to your question is to stop throwing so many picks. We are talking fantasy QB value not real life. I am not looking for a QB that will make the real life playoffs. iAm looking for one to throw for scores and run for scores. that is what i though i drafted. apparently, i did not.What should he be doing differently?i'd have to agree that Young isn't exactly doing what the coach is asking. Yes, he is a gameclock manager but nithing more. Maybe he'll develope as a passer, maybe he won't.LOL.I did speak the truth.No, if VY were doing what the Fish wanted he'd be passing for multiple TDs and not multiple INTs and he'd be contributing alot more to the Titans offense and not their opponents. The Titans are 6-2 DESPITE Vince Young. Just like the Bears last year were 13-3 DESPITE Rex Grossman. Quit drinking the kool-aid and speak the truth.Then you haven't been paying attention. Young and company are doing what Fish wants, and that's why they're 6-2. How many other qbs can make that claim?Anyone who thinks they've seen the measure of what Young will do in the NFL is mistaken.Just wins? My feeling is Young is the reason the Titans are not blowing people out. If the Titans fall behind early they are in a heap of trouble.According to ESPN, despite those horrid numbers Vince Young 'just wins'.
Wasn't he the #6 projected QB for the year prior to the draft? Still ranking him at #13 is a clear sign that someone is not wanting to admit VY sucks and wants to save face. Take all those rankings with a grain of salt; some of the 'experts' are just guys throwing darts at a board.
I'm not gonna get into a p*ssing contest with you. Time will tell.
Time will tell. That being said, i traded him. enough is enough.
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Actually I just refute that VY is winning games for the Titans LET ALONE providing anyone any viable FF value. There are still 'experts' singing this guy's praise which doesn't make sense. Yes the Titans are 6-2; thanks to DEFENSE and a decent running game; just like Chicago last year.
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
I'm not gonna say there's no truth to this post, 'cause there is some. However, don't discount what VY brings to the running game's viability. Remember, the Titans couldn't run the ball last year until Young took the helm. (67 rypg pre-VY...155 with VY in '06). They've had great success ever since. They've been leading early and often in almost every game this year. Fish knows he has a great D, and a great running game which nobody is really stopping, even with dedicated run-stopping Ds. He knows his wrs aren't very good, and he knows he has a young, developing QB. He's going with his strengths, and it's working quite well. Young has been in position to not have to win games for the Titans this year. I never said he was "winning games" for them. The "VY just wins" sentiment may be overstated by ESPN this season. Everything they get ahold of tends to get overstated. I do believe it's still true, though, just not in the way they may mean it. He does lots of less obvious things which are contributing greatly to the Titans success. It's a team game and they're winning as a team.If i were a coach and had the luxury of pounding the run game and letting my defense take care of the rest and never having to rely on my 2nd year QB to pull my ### out of the fire, I'm pretty sure that's exactly what I'd do. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure most coaches would opt for this type of gameplan anytime if they could pull it off.
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^^ Rings true to a certain point ^^
But..........factor in New England, Indy and to a smaller degree Dallas, Pittsburgh and Cleveland. Teams are putting up alot of points while not chewing up the clock. The Titans need to evolve and Young needs to get better quick. They can't just run the ball and control the clock.
But..........factor in New England, Indy and to a smaller degree Dallas, Pittsburgh and Cleveland. Teams are putting up alot of points while not chewing up the clock. The Titans need to evolve and Young needs to get better quick. They can't just run the ball and control the clock.
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the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
They will evolve. They are where they are, but they won't be here forever.I think you'll see more obvious signs of evolution once they get a true deep threat to stretch the field.
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mon
(T)ool
Please please please stop posting in this thread. You haven't contributed anything to this thread, nor have you made much sense, fantasy wise. We can see where you're from and the pic in your profile. We know you like VY. But we're not talking about real life here, only fantasy value right here, right now.
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
Dude...read the thread.There are people here talking about FF and actual football. Get over it. I've addressed both. As far as I can tell I've contributed considerably more than you, aside from posing a question that's been posed many timesmon said:
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Calvitron Johnson
Footballguy
Speaking of zero: Vince Young fantasy value. If this guy is on your team, you are in bad shape. If you have a winning record, it is not becasue of this bum.
Right now the guy in our league is trying to unload him.
Of course, no takers. Not even the guy with Alex Smith. Why you ask? What is Zero + Zero?
Right now the guy in our league is trying to unload him.
Of course, no takers. Not even the guy with Alex Smith. Why you ask? What is Zero + Zero?
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
Actually, I felt his last post or two were ones of quality. If you disagree you could always ignore them...mon said:
mon
(T)ool
Any speak of actual football is off topic. Mixing FF and actual football in the same thread is confusing. Sorry, can't find one post of yours thats beneficial to FF. You've just been defending VY because you want to marry him. He may be a leader, but that's not helping his stats.
mon
(T)ool
Show me the gems of wisdom in his last two posts:
They'll evolve once they get a true deep threat? How does that info help his stats now?
He's just defending Fisher for playing him. VY brings to the running game viability? No FF info here, just walk away...
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
MCguidance
Footballguy
mon
(T)ool
Dude, helping the Titans running game doesn't help VY's fantasy game. If nothing else, it appears to be hurting it. And how does VY help the running game, anyway? If he was a great passer, it would help the running game. Maybe you mean, because he's such a bad passer, they have to run more, thus helping the running game? He has a 61.5 qb rating!
GregR_2
Footballguy
This statement got me wondering about how many drops VY is facing vs other QBs. I thought FBGs had drop stats but I couldn't find it when I went looking. But I do know of a site that has a breakdown on incompletions for each QB. So I thought I'd see what the stats say compared to perception. I decided to go with all the QBs in the same division since they have similar schedules and reasonably similar records. I then added all the starting QBs from VY's draft class or from the year before so we have guys with similar amounts of experience. And, it's worth noting, perhaps by coincidence often on teams with mediocre receiving corps this year (Garrard, Cutler, T. Jackson, and Alex Smith in particular, though Leinart is at the other end, and Jason Campbell perhaps in the middle).Total number of drops isn't as meaningful since they have different number of pass attempts, but % of passes thrown that were drops should be a great indicator, and also % of incompletions that were drops should have some meaning.Vince has had his receivers drop 6 passes, which is 10.3% of his incompletions and 4.0% of his passes thrown.Peyton: 19 drops, 20.9% of his incompletions and 7.3% of his passes thrown.Schaub: 5 drops, 7.2%, 2.3%Garrard: 8 drops, 16.0%, 5.4%Cutler: 8 drops, 10.7%, 3.7%Campbell: 15 drops, 16.0%, 6.6%.Leinart: 4 drops, 7.7%, 3.6%A. Smith: 15 drops, 18.1%, 9.1%T. Jackson: 10 drops, 16.9%, 9.1%Using drops as an excuse, Vince is looking at best very middle of the road and at worst amongst the more fortunate of QBs in regards to drops.5 of the 9 QBs are more likely to have any given pass attempt be dropped than is Vince. 6 of the 9 have a higher percentage of their incompletions due to drops than does Vince.It may be true that his receivers may not be able to get open as well and that might lead to incompletions, but the numbers don't seem to support that drops are a significant part of the problem for Vince. If anything he appears to have a better situation in terms of drops than do many QBs.
GregR_2
Footballguy
And if anyone is wondering, here is VY's full breakdown. Also a link to the page with all the QBs in case anyone wants to go comparing him to other QBs.
Incomplete Pass InformationPass Attempted Completions Total Incomplete151 93 58Type Number Pct of Incomp Pct of Overall AttemptsPass Dropped 6 10.3 4.0Poor Throw 26 44.8 17.2Pass Defensed 10 17.2 6.6Pass Hit at Line 3 5.2 2.0Other 5 8.6 3.3Intercepted 8 13.8 5.3http://hosted.stats.com/fb/findplayer.asp?...&position=8
Incomplete Pass InformationPass Attempted Completions Total Incomplete151 93 58Type Number Pct of Incomp Pct of Overall AttemptsPass Dropped 6 10.3 4.0Poor Throw 26 44.8 17.2Pass Defensed 10 17.2 6.6Pass Hit at Line 3 5.2 2.0Other 5 8.6 3.3Intercepted 8 13.8 5.3http://hosted.stats.com/fb/findplayer.asp?...&position=8
mon
(T)ool
I looked at last season and you are correct, he did have a nice run at the end. He only had one bad game after week 11. This is the only reason to remain even somewhat optimistic about him at this point. I need another backup QB in case Warner and Garrard get hurt again, so I'll probably pick up VY, since my only other choices are A. Smith and McCown.
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
The bolded part is what I'm talking about when I trash his wrs. It leads to incompletions, and many times just to the ball not being thrown at all or redirected.The drops have happened, and I'm pretty sure it's more than 6, but that's not my main issue with this corps. They just don't get open and/or stretch the field.
Good post.
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enfuego
Footballguy
I'll give you a great reason VY will have a good 2nd 1/2 of the year...strength of schedule
After JAX:
Denver
Cincy
Houston
SD
KC
Jets
Indy
Actually, JAX is ranked poorly in passing D (#26), so VY could have a decent week starting this week. With respect to thehairyscottsman, VY has been off most of the year and I think he knows it. However, he's faced some good passing defenses in #2 Tampa Bay, #3 Indy, #4 OAK, even ATL has a fairly mid-respectable #15 ranked passing D. That's 4 good passing defenses in the first half.
Look for a better 2nd passing half of the year from VY. Good, not great. But yet much better both from a real football and FFL perspective.
After JAX:
Denver
Cincy
Houston
SD
KC
Jets
Indy
Actually, JAX is ranked poorly in passing D (#26), so VY could have a decent week starting this week. With respect to thehairyscottsman, VY has been off most of the year and I think he knows it. However, he's faced some good passing defenses in #2 Tampa Bay, #3 Indy, #4 OAK, even ATL has a fairly mid-respectable #15 ranked passing D. That's 4 good passing defenses in the first half.
Look for a better 2nd passing half of the year from VY. Good, not great. But yet much better both from a real football and FFL perspective.
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