Vince Young won't be drafted until at least April. I think that's what Hoge was trying to say.
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"Vince Young will be a 2nd day pick" -Merril Hoge (1 Viewer)
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nygiants56
Footballguy
If no one else picks him, Jacksonville will at least take him in the first round as a WR project.
True true...
By the way, with Vince Young insisting he'll throw at the Combine, the guy deserves credit for putting himself out there. However, he could be setting himself up to expose his flaws in a big way. My hat's off to the kid for not running from the spotlight, but it's a decision that could easily drop him out of top-5 consideration.
smells like the Aaron Rogers debacle last year..Vince Young is a great college QB, but it might not translate into NFL success..as with every other QB to come down the pike..
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Merril Hoge is an idiot. End of story.
If Vince Young has proven anything, he's proven that he performs his best when the pressure is at its greatest. Which is why that is the perfect time for him to throw, and also why pro teams will regret passing on him if they do. That is an incredibly hard quality to find in athletes, and an incredibly valuable asset for a QB. When you combine that with Vince's freakish physical abilities...well...he shouldn't (and won't) last past the top 3 picks.If no one else picks him, Jacksonville will at least take him in the first round as a WR project.
By the way, with Vince Young insisting he'll throw at the Combine, the guy deserves credit for putting himself out there. However, he could be setting himself up to expose his flaws in a big way. My hat's off to the kid for not running from the spotlight, but it's a decision that could easily drop him out of top-5 consideration.
Vince Young is a great college QB, but it might not translate into NFL success..as with every other QB to come down the pike..
I'm pretty sure ESPN has been in the habit for some time of forcing certain personalities to say stupid things in order to create controversy and increase ratings. I know they do it with Woody Paige and it's part of the reason he acts so dopey when arguing a lame position.
This has to be the case with Hoge. "Hey Merrill. We've done a great job hyping Cutler and it would be great if you could slam Vince Young. Thanks bud."
Not just ESPN, but all the networks appear to impose an absurd opinion to spark the impression of an intelligent debate. ESPN does it all the time with Clayton and that other jerk (whose name escapes me right now). Clayton says something dumb, gets berated and then just smiles like a fool. But when he reports independently, he's not too bad.Same with Hoge. He's pretty good on NFL Matchup but this may have been a case of the producer saying "OK Merrill, it's your turn to say something dumb so the others can look much more intelligent."
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
After 2000 concussions it's the only word he still remembers.
The (Grid)Iron Giant
Footballguy
Oh man. I have a feeling you're gonna feel mighty silly in a year or two. I mean, fine, even if you don't like VY as a QB, how could you not want a 6'5" terror out wide? He caught a 48-yarder from Ramonce Taylor, one of UT's RBs, last year, and it looked like he'd been doing it his whole life. I'm pretty sure the Steelers and anyone else would die to have him at the wideout position. Wasting a pick? If VY falls to the 20s, he'll be the best value at those picks in years.Or since Aaron Rodgers. :X Psyche!
jurb26
Footballguy
I don't think you understand what I was getting at. I do like VY as a QB, I don't like him as a WR. Robinson is a much better fit for the Steelers if that is the role they want to fill and he will come MUCH cheaper. It doesn't really matter anyway. VY is not making it past pick 20.
The (Grid)Iron Giant
Footballguy
Ah. My bad! I feel you now. And Robinson does look like a guy who's going to make a big NFL impact somehow, some way, at some position, and any team that gets their hands on him in the middle rounds will be really happy.
Merrill got hit on the head too much when he played the game. Didn't he retire because of concussions? No way does Young fall to even the second round. I doubt he would get by Detroit at 10 if he lasts that long.Vince Young almost single handedly beat a good Michigan defense last year and then did the same to the consensus best team in the country this year. He is a better passer than Vick (in terms of timing and accuracy) and his mobility is just slightly lower. This guy is a legit NFL first rounder and you will see that in April.
Dave Baker
Damn glad to meet you
I read some scouting buzz that many believe Young drops considerably from where he is tabbed now. Whether they mean he drops past round one, I don't know. A Sporting News article quoted a team official stating about Young's talent and Rose Bowl performance (who someone else described as street ball), "The offense was streamlined and he was told to do whatever it takes to win, and that stuff won't work in this league." Flaws in his mechanics were discussed continuously.
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised at him dropping, but never past the first round.
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised at him dropping, but never past the first round.
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Apparently this unnamed team official has missed the fact that Randall Cunningham & Michael Vick have played QB in the NFL.If "do whatever it takes to win" with a "street ball" offense that is incredibly unsophisticated doesn't describe the Buddy Ryan Eagles offense I don't know what does.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Good thing for VInce he played in more than 1 game then...COlin
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Hodge Podge is one of the worst segments on television. He sucks ###. I think he is the worst broadcaster in on ESPN. This guy was a football player so he gets a job. He doesn't know crap. And he did say a day two player, not second round. i saw the same segment. He is a useless dillbag.
Dave Baker
Damn glad to meet you
I didn't hear Hoge and someone asked this earlier and I don't know if it went answered
id Hoge say that Young should be drafted on day two or that he will be?If Matt Jones is a first rounder as a WR, then Vince Young also is on his potential at WR alone. If Vince's throwing shoulder got mangled in some sort accident tomorrow and he said "im switching to WR", I think he's instantly the #1 WR prospect in this draft. Add in his QB potential, and it becomes idiotic if he lasts til the 2nd round.
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Texasmouth
Footballguy
He said both. He said if Vince Young were moved to Wide receiver, he would be a first round pick but right now, he is a second day pick AT BEST. He said matteroffactly that Vince Young would not be drafted until the second day. This guy is stealing a paycheck. He sucks.I didn't hear Hoge and someone asked this earlier and I don't know if it went answered
Jason Wood
Zoo York
The problem is that the NFL draft has become such a hot topic of conversation [thanks in no small part to we fantasy football fanatics] that ESPN's talking heads are all put in the position to sound off, despite it not being their strong suit. It seems to me that C. Mortensen has some secondary agenda, which is gravely concering, whereas Hoge likely just spoke from the cuff when asked the question. Hoge probably couldn't tell you 10 players likely to be first round picks this year, but he's got a mike and a platform and that makes him an "expert."He said both. He said if Vince Young were moved to Wide receiver, he would be a first round pick but right now, he is a second day pick AT BEST. He said matteroffactly that Vince Young would not be drafted until the second day. This guy is stealing a paycheck. He sucks.I didn't hear Hoge and someone asked this earlier and I don't know if it went answered
salmonstud
Footballguy
When Hoge or Michael Irvin speak - I turn the channel. I can't stand to listen to either one...I would rather watch Designing Women.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
And he beats out some mighty crappy competition.
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MelvinTScupper
Guest
honestly, Houston should pass on Reggie Bush and take Young. They could "at least" do what Atlanta did -- create an exciting capable team. They have Domanick Davis, who, if not a Reggie Bush, is at least proven at the next level. Carr blows.
LOL. If Vick was drafted so high, how can you possibly make your statement about a scrambler/runner type not being a high first rounder?And exactly where do you come up with Young being an inconsistent passer? He was 3rd in the country in Div IA passing efficiency.
:shaking head:
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
Vince Young will not be throwing at the Combine. He will have a personal workout. He will throw the ball poorly because he is not a good thrower.However, he will still be a top 10 pick because he:
Is a monster running the ball.
He is a leader.
He is CLUTCH.
This guy oozes confidence.
He has all of the intangibles. I'm just not sure he can throw the ball well enough to succeed in the LEAGUE.
Steel City
Footballguy
On Mike and Mike this morning, VY said that he WILL participate in the throwing drills at the combine. He also added that since everybody knows he can run, he will skip that part.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
This is has been repeated so much that people just spout it like its still true when it's not. Vince WAS not a good thrower his redshirt freshman year and even at the beginning of his sophmore year. However, he grew into quite a good thrower over the second half of his sophmore year and then especially this last season as a Junior. He completed 65% of his passes this year. He had games where he absolutely could not miss (i.e. Colorado 25/29, and even 75% completions in the Championship game). He holds the UT record for most consecutive passes completed in a game. Vince became a good thrower in college, the results speak for themselves. Nobody is going to argue that he has good mechanics, he looks like he's throwing a dart instead of a football. But you also can't argue with his results. He is accurate and effective throwing the ball. Besides, he has an iron will to succeed and be the best. He will do what it takes to become a good thrower in the NFL too. It's only a question of when, not if.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
He's throwing at the combine. Not running though, which won't make any difference.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Yeah.
