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Yes Fisher should of had the balls to go and tell the QB to go home. Instead he acted worse than VY did on Sunday buy having one of his coaches do his dirty work. I am sorry but VY is looking better and better with all the crap that Fisher is doing.
Fisher isn't looking bad at all.
It seems pretty apparent that the bolded part is backtracking and spin control. The initial reports indicated there were teammates there who saw the whole thing, VY was upset about it, but still left without incident. Now it's just "He left without incident". The Titans quickly remembered the last time they broke the CBA when they denied access to Steve McNair and went into damage control mode. To me this looks like Fisher taking on Bud Adams and his directive to "Get over it" and "Get back to work". In 2006 the Titans were 0-3 and Fish didn't want to put VY in. Bud did. Fish ended up having to put him in and Bud ended up being right as the Titans went 8-5 the rest of the way. In 2009, Fish wanted to stick with the long leash on Collins despite the 0-6 (3-10) record. Adams said no. Put VY in. They went 8-2. Bud was right again and Fish can't stand it. Now Adams says "get over it" to both of them. Fisher is about to lose it.
This isn't "tough love". Tough love from a coach would be backing up the qb publicly and then ripping him a new one in private if need be, not running to the media every time he makes a mistake, challenging VY's manhood, or benching him at every opportunity.
I am not condoning VY's behavior in all of this, because he has to learn to handle a - hole bosses and not give them ammo to take to the media and use against him this way. But yeah, when you look at it, Fish is showing himself to be very immature, petty, and devious.Much of this is a product of having no real GM. Of course, Fish is the reason Floyd Reese is gone.
Right. Expert analysis there. Solid proof, no doubt.
If he had a Coach that would always have his back instead of looking for any little excuse to yank him from the lineup he might be able to (FFS Trent Dilfer has a ring and VY is much better than he was)
How about he gives his coach a reason to have his back.This always have his back thing is a joke.Did you see the clip last week of the doctors talking to Fisher about VY? They were saying it was not looking good for him to grip the ball during that Washington game.I was at the game, after the injury Vince was nowhere near Fisher or his teammates. He was off to the side on his own for most of it.VY may have some talent to win it all, but to this point he has not shown the mind or the drive to do so in this league. And it has to come from him, not the coach.
Or, he was a big problem and the team also has other problems that are being exposes right now.And lets face it...one of those games was with Rusty freaking Smith starting at QB.
There's many holes in this.I don't feel that any coach would permit? tolerate? (right word?) Vince's immature behavior which leads me to respond-he wouldn't be playing for any team and he made himself the problem. Here's some others:Their OC has cancer and is no longer with the team leaving quickly and unexpectedly.No name Rusty Smith had to play.Their top WR has been out.They are down their top blocking TE.there is a whole lot more to it, but -again- I think Vince wouldn't be playing for any coach at the moment. Be on a coach imposed benching. He's hurt and on IR so this is also a moot issue in that regard but I assumed you meant if he could be playing now.Repeat a couple things-I don't think it's fair to pretend we understand how the Titans reacted when he attempted suicide at his last benching and how, if at all, that affects them now that they see he was not only benched but took off to his home state of Texas as well. I don't think it's possible that they don't think of that previous incident now.CJs success or failure has never been shown to have anything to do with the QBs play. Last year teams put 8 in the box every week, announcers would point out that DCs were rotating players often to try and keep them fresh to catch CJ and all sorts of things opposing teams were trying and he ran for 2k. To say or allude to that with Vince out teams can put 8 in the box and shut down CJ pretty much ignores last year and every other game CJ has played in. The Titans line is awesome. Good line play has been a staple of Fisher's teams including some HOFers and/or team HOF type linemen. They currently have two of the top Tackles in the NFL. Moreso than CJ or Vince or Travis Henry or Chris Brown or McNair or Eddie George or Mason or...their line's play has always been the key to whether they win or not. It's not normal. Some teams can get away with decent blocking. The Titans can't. They have to be very good to great in order for them to win. They haven't had the best two weeks and I have zero concern about them. The way they dominate I almost feel like they're entitled to bad weeks.Re-Fisher stuff. I had an interesting discussion where something obvious was pointed out to me recently. Ya know how if a coach is fired often times their staff members are allowed to leave, scooped up by other teams, stay w/ the team etc.? DL coach Chris Washburn and OL coach Mike Munchak are pivotal. That's a great point I wanted to share.They are excellent. New teams would be fortunate to have them. Titans would be fortunate to keep them. IF Fisher and those two leave, and separating their roles were possible, it would be a very interesting debate as to which of their departures affected the Titans more.
Vince Young as a rookie seemed to and/or seemed like he would someday.Since then, he hasn't seemed as such.The years since, there's alot of things for discussion.I'd have to answer back with a question to you-Can Vince become the QB he was as a rookie? Because that looked like the guy that played for Texas. The guy the last few years has seemed like a different person.
Losing games is a big problem. They lose with Smith. They lose with Collins. One of the problems being exposed is that Vince Young is their best QB, if they're interested in winning games.
Yes, I do. Like almost any other Superbowl winning qb, he needs a good team around him, but I think VY is perfectly capable of winning the big game. As a Niner fan, I really hope ends up in SF next year.He's immature but he's damned good.
Please no do not let that happen!!! How many more years of crappy QB play do the 49ers need. And he does not have close to the supporting cast in SF that he enjoys in Tennessee (ok,I will give you Crabtree and V Davis).
Me too.
Vince is better than anything they've had since Jeff Garcia in his prime. Re-read this thread. VY is an immature whiny diva but he's an above average qb.
And would likely be the same with Young given how the team has played.When will some of you realize the guy needs to grow up and practice and study to be an NFL QB?
Or that he's on IR and can't play.Or that any other coach would have benched him yet they blame Fisher.
Do you guys remember that Singletary is a former teammate and good friend of both Fisher and the Titans DC Chuck Cecil?
The team plays better when Young plays.
Yeah, they played great against Pitt this year.Washington too.Look, the team has not played all that great most of this year...with or without him.
And the Titans are recently 0-3 with Chris Johnson and without Vince Young.
Well said and I agree.
