Vince Young (1 Viewer)

[LittlePhatty]

What about wins and losses then? He's won 2/3rds of his games as a Titan. Fisher was forced to start Young by Bud Adams after the Titans went 0-6 last and [Chris Johnson] almost brought them to the playoffs.

You forgot to insert a name in that sentence so I did it for you.Vince Young came in mid-way last season and added unpredictability to the Titans offense, which it needed, and for a while it looked like he had matured and he kept his turnover ratio down. He's had a couple of good games this season, but he's also shown a tendency to revert to his old self and make horrible decisions. At this point I don't think he needs to "grow" any more. I think he's maxed out short of the line of expectations that Bud Adams may have had for him.

 

[chippymaroongold]

There is much more to this story than Young's post game meltdown! He and Fisher have never been on firm ground with one another and Young seems to be very immature for someone whose supposed to be a professional. I think it would be in the best interests of both the team and VY if they parted ways. Wherever he ends up, he just might become a team leader which is something that never really occurred in Tennessee.

 

[guderian]

If you watched TEN play last year, Collins actually performed reasonably well. A ridiculous amount of dropped passes by his receivers, tipped balls leading to picks, etc. Coach Fisher didn't want to make the change b/c he probably saw things in a similar way. The defense was a major problem.Yes, the change to VY may have provided the spark, and the change was certainly deserved after a 59-0 rout in the snow against NE, but the quality of play at the position had little improvement in my eyes.

I've seen plenty of Titan's games and blaming the 0-6 start on receivers dropping the balls for Collins is forcing an excuse to fit your preconceived conclusion. For the sake of argument, let's accept your "WRs stopped dropping passes and the defense started playing better" theory. Now, Young was drafted 3rd--and the Titans weren't picking 3rd because they had an awesome record in the prior year, so how do you explain the fact that Young has won 2/3rds of his games after taking over the 3rd worst team in the NFL? None of the data fits your conclusion.

I'm not answering your question, but I will back up the defense playing better part. Remember that Finnegan and one of the other cornerbacks were hurt and the team starting winning when they came back.

Like I said, stipulating that the the flop from 0-6 start to 8-2 finish had absolutely nothing to do with Young, and the offense going from 14 ppg to 27 ppg was solely the coincidental result of all of these other factors, I don't see how a team that was 3rd worst in the NFL won 2/3rds of their games under Young.

 

[guderian]

The Titans almost made the playoffs because of Chris Johnson, not Vince Young.

Chris Johnson was there when they were 0-6, how do you explain the change?

 

[guderian]

There is much more to this story than Young's post game meltdown! He and Fisher have never been on firm ground with one another and Young seems to be very immature for someone whose supposed to be a professional. I think it would be in the best interests of both the team and VY if they parted ways. Wherever he ends up, he just might become a team leader which is something that never really occurred in Tennessee.

Fisher didn't want to draft Young and felt like he was forced to work with him. A split is in the best interests of both parties. There aren't many available free agents, so Fisher will get to roll with Collins and Smith, unencumbered by any other alternatives.

 

[gotexansgo]

The Titans almost made the playoffs because of Chris Johnson, not Vince Young.

Chris Johnson was there when they were 0-6, how do you explain the change?

CJ had less then 20 touches in 4 of those 6...he didnt have less then 20 the rest of the way.

 

[guderian]

If you watched TEN play last year, Collins actually performed reasonably well. A ridiculous amount of dropped passes by his receivers, tipped balls leading to picks, etc. Coach Fisher didn't want to make the change b/c he probably saw things in a similar way. The defense was a major problem.Yes, the change to VY may have provided the spark, and the change was certainly deserved after a 59-0 rout in the snow against NE, but the quality of play at the position had little improvement in my eyes.

I've seen plenty of Titan's games and blaming the 0-6 start on receivers dropping the balls for Collins is forcing an excuse to fit your preconceived conclusion. For the sake of argument, let's accept your "WRs stopped dropping passes and the defense started playing better" theory. Now, Young was drafted 3rd--and the Titans weren't picking 3rd because they had an awesome record in the prior year, so how do you explain the fact that Young has won 2/3rds of his games after taking over the 3rd worst team in the NFL? None of the data fits your conclusion.

I'm not answering your question, but I will back up the defense playing better part. Remember that Finnegan and one of the other cornerbacks were hurt and the team starting winning when they came back.

What he needs to do is look at the opponents weeks 1-6 and then the candyass schedule after that.

There were 3 common opponents between the 0-6 start and the 8-2 finish. During the 0-6 start they lost to Houston by 3, the Jags by 20 and the Colts by 22. Two of those games were at home. During the "canday ###" portion of their schedule, they beat Houston by 3 and the Jags by 17, but lost to the Colts by 10. Same opponents, but a 55 point narrowing of the PF/PA margin. So how is that a result of the "candy ###" schedule???

 

[guderian]

The Titans almost made the playoffs because of Chris Johnson, not Vince Young.

Chris Johnson was there when they were 0-6, how do you explain the change?

CJ had less then 20 touches in 4 of those 6...he didnt have less then 20 the rest of the way.

Yes, so RBs get more carries when their team is ahead. VY had 1 fewer INT in 10 games than Collins did in 6. Young's YPA were 7.3 versus Collins 5.7. Sure, Johnson played a big role int he season, but it's hard to imagine the QB switch had nothing to do with the major improvement.

 

[gotexansgo]

Yes, so RBs get more carries when their team is ahead. VY had 1 fewer INT in 10 games than Collins did in 6. Young's YPA were 7.3 versus Collins 5.7. Sure, Johnson played a big role int he season, but it's hard to imagine the QB switch had nothing to do with the major improvement.

Also worth noting Collins threw less then 30 times once in his 6 games, the last one. VY threw over 30 times twice to finish out the season, seems to me they just changed the style of play calling when VY took over to a more run balanced game.

 

[guderian]

Yes, so RBs get more carries when their team is ahead. VY had 1 fewer INT in 10 games than Collins did in 6. Young's YPA were 7.3 versus Collins 5.7. Sure, Johnson played a big role int he season, but it's hard to imagine the QB switch had nothing to do with the major improvement.

Also worth noting Collins threw less then 30 times once in his 6 games, the last one. VY threw over 30 times twice to finish out the season, seems to me they just changed the style of play calling when VY took over to a more run balanced game.

Again, it's hard to tell if that's a function of a coincidental change in philosophy or the fact that they were throwing more when Collins was QB because they were inevitably trying to comeback from a deficit.

 

[tommyGunZ]

VY already back tracking on twitter:

Vince Young

Just want to say I'm fine sorry to my teammates I just a cop

Vince Young

Competitive.

about 1 hour ago from Twitter for BlackBerry®

Vince Young

Just want to play.

about 1 hour ago from Twitter for BlackBerry®

Vince Young

But God is great.

about 1 hour ago from Twitter for BlackBerry®

 

[FavreCo]

If you watched TEN play last year, Collins actually performed reasonably well. A ridiculous amount of dropped passes by his receivers, tipped balls leading to picks, etc. Coach Fisher didn't want to make the change b/c he probably saw things in a similar way. The defense was a major problem.Yes, the change to VY may have provided the spark, and the change was certainly deserved after a 59-0 rout in the snow against NE, but the quality of play at the position had little improvement in my eyes.

I've seen plenty of Titan's games and blaming the 0-6 start on receivers dropping the balls for Collins is forcing an excuse to fit your preconceived conclusion. For the sake of argument, let's accept your "WRs stopped dropping passes and the defense started playing better" theory. Now, Young was drafted 3rd--and the Titans weren't picking 3rd because they had an awesome record in the prior year, so how do you explain the fact that Young has won 2/3rds of his games after taking over the 3rd worst team in the NFL? None of the data fits your conclusion.

I'm not answering your question, but I will back up the defense playing better part. Remember that Finnegan and one of the other cornerbacks were hurt and the team starting winning when they came back.

What he needs to do is look at the opponents weeks 1-6 and then the candyass schedule after that.

There were 3 common opponents between the 0-6 start and the 8-2 finish. During the 0-6 start they lost to Houston by 3, the Jags by 20 and the Colts by 22. Two of those games were at home. During the "canday ###" portion of their schedule, they beat Houston by 3 and the Jags by 17, but lost to the Colts by 10. Same opponents, but a 55 point narrowing of the PF/PA margin. So how is that a result of the "candy ###" schedule???

Way to not mention the candyasses. Leinart led Ari. Buf, 49ers, Fins, Sea. All bottomfeeders. Also note that Collins took the Pittsburgh bullet for Young. See how he fared this year aganist them. Not too good. Thans for playing. You're out of ammo.

 

[Bri]

Anyone think this was his last game as QB of the Titans?

Thank God. Fisher's obviously had a jihad against Young from day 1. The guy has a 100 passer rating and has won 2/3rds of his games. Would love to see him in Arizona.

:( I was expecting to see more complaining about Fisher in this thread.

I've watched many of the TEN games over the past few years and stats are deceiving. He's had some spots of brilliance -- just enough to make you think 'hey, this guy could be our franchise QB' -- but he's inconsistent. Despite some improvement this year, he hasn't developed into the pocket passer they need him to be.

What about wins and losses then? He's won 2/3rds of his games as a Titan. Fisher was forced to start Young by Bud Adams after the Titans went 0-6 last and almost brought them to the playoffs.

this is overstated some. Titans lost three or four defensive backs and teams passed at will against their replacements. They secondary got healthy about the time Young took over. It was brutal to watch teams pass against them

 

[Bri]

Yes, so RBs get more carries when their team is ahead. VY had 1 fewer INT in 10 games than Collins did in 6. Young's YPA were 7.3 versus Collins 5.7. Sure, Johnson played a big role int he season, but it's hard to imagine the QB switch had nothing to do with the major improvement.

Also worth noting Collins threw less then 30 times once in his 6 games, the last one. VY threw over 30 times twice to finish out the season, seems to me they just changed the style of play calling when VY took over to a more run balanced game.

Again, it's hard to tell if that's a function of a coincidental change in philosophy or the fact that they were throwing more when Collins was QB because they were inevitably trying to comeback from a deficit.

Pocket passer versus running QB, it's different.Also, Collins takes way more shots downfield than Vince. Re-fisher stuff. As I understand it, Norm Chow put alot of work into Young and he didn't respond favorably-it was a struggle. Chow was eventually replaced with Heimerdinger, but from what I understand VY was always difficult to the OCs and when he spent some time with McNair (RIP) Vince was a perfect student. This has been a sore point with Fisher for a long time. A guy can't pick N choose who he listens to. He even takes in everything Kerry says well too.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Can't believe some of you are knocking Fisher. Vince Young is a giant crybaby. He got legitimately hurt. And injury which will require surgery, and Fisher didn't think he could throw the ball well enough. It isn't as if Young is the most accurate guy to start with. Then Young threw a tizzy, threw his Jersey into the stands, and told the head coach he's walking out on him.

Clearly he's a guy who you can rely on.

 

[Bri]

last time he threw a tantrum for being benched there was a suicide concern. Hopefully someone's keeping an eye on him tonight

Please don't...just...well that's what happened last time

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Vince Youg gets hurt. He knows today's game was vital for the Titans to press on twards the playoffs with Indy at 6-3, Jax 5-4 and so he wants to get back into the game. There are other QBs in the league that would be able to get themselves back into the game. It wasn't a concussion but he is met with the brakes and he gets fired up about it.

I don't understand the problem really. OK, he tossed a cople souvenirs into the crowd, he was upset that he culdn't finish the game.

I'd like to see some of that passion in a few of the QBs that have graced the Miami Dolphins locker the past 8-10 years. I haven't read thru the thread but on the suface I think Young was showing his competitive side today. I have no doubt we will have some Young haters and some grandstanders that want to talk about how they would never act like that even though they will never be in that same situation.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Man, who cares. He sucks anyway.

He just wins football games and a national title, guys a total joke.

 

[PennStater77]

Fish needs to go too.. People will say he is a good coach, but again based on what? 1 Super Bowl appearence in 10000 years of coaching. The last few years his players have been total weeds.

 

[PennStater77]

Man, who cares. He sucks anyway.

He just wins football games and a national title, guys a total joke.

And can't stay healthy and throws temper tantrums everytime something doesn't go his way... Word is after the game he threw his pads and helmet in the stands.

 

[fatness]

The only loss for the Titans was of the years they wasted on Young.

Make no mistake Young was a great college QB. VY was never cut out for the NFL game.

Right on cue.

 

[LittlePhatty]

I'd like to see some of that passion

Except it's not passion. It's a whiny tantrum.

 

[two_dollars]

Vince Youg gets hurt. He knows today's game was vital for the Titans to press on twards the playoffs with Indy at 6-3, Jax 5-4 and so he wants to get back into the game. There are other QBs in the league that would be able to get themselves back into the game. It wasn't a concussion but he is met with the brakes and he gets fired up about it. I don't understand the problem really. OK, he tossed a cople souvenirs into the crowd, he was upset that he culdn't finish the game. I'd like to see some of that passion in a few of the QBs that have graced the Miami Dolphins locker the past 8-10 years. I haven't read thru the thread but on the suface I think Young was showing his competitive side today. I have no doubt we will have some Young haters and some grandstanders that want to talk about how they would never act like that even though they will never be in that same situation.

There's a difference between passion and immaturity. I think you are confusing the 2 with Young. I think it gets confused in athletes all the time. Especially with players from certain backgrounds. You see it a lot in baseball as well from some players. All it is, is an excuse for losing their temper.

 

[FavreCo]

Man, who cares. He sucks anyway.

He just wins football games and a national title, guys a total joke.

:( Lots of hacks QB national champions in College, Danny Weurrfel. And Vince doesn't win the games. He's just in them.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Man, who cares. He sucks anyway.

He just wins football games and a national title, guys a total joke.

Lots of hacks QB national champions in College, Danny Weurrfel. And Vince doesn't win the games. He's just in them.

You compare him to Weurrfel as a pro? Also I find the forced emoticons telling. Very par for the course with you I'm afraid.

 

[Joe Summer]

Vince Young = Dennis Rodman

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

Vince Young = Dennis Rodman

I don't think this is fair to Rodman. Rodman was a much better player than Young. With Rodman, you put up with some of the antics because he brought it on the court.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I'd say it's more like ocho = rodman, only rodman was better at what he did.

 

[The Comedian]

Vince Youg gets hurt. He knows today's game was vital for the Titans to press on twards the playoffs with Indy at 6-3, Jax 5-4 and so he wants to get back into the game. There are other QBs in the league that would be able to get themselves back into the game. It wasn't a concussion but he is met with the brakes and he gets fired up about it.

I don't understand the problem really. OK, he tossed a cople souvenirs into the crowd, he was upset that he culdn't finish the game.

I'd like to see some of that passion in a few of the QBs that have graced the Miami Dolphins locker the past 8-10 years. I haven't read thru the thread but on the suface I think Young was showing his competitive side today. I have no doubt we will have some Young haters and some grandstanders that want to talk about how they would never act like that even though they will never be in that same situation.

Yeah guy throws pads into the crowd and swears at his coach in front of the entire team. What passion.

 

[NJJets]

Vince Youg gets hurt. He knows today's game was vital for the Titans to press on twards the playoffs with Indy at 6-3, Jax 5-4 and so he wants to get back into the game. There are other QBs in the league that would be able to get themselves back into the game. It wasn't a concussion but he is met with the brakes and he gets fired up about it.

I don't understand the problem really. OK, he tossed a cople souvenirs into the crowd, he was upset that he culdn't finish the game.

I'd like to see some of that passion in a few of the QBs that have graced the Miami Dolphins locker the past 8-10 years. I haven't read thru the thread but on the suface I think Young was showing his competitive side today. I have no doubt we will have some Young haters and some grandstanders that want to talk about how they would never act like that even though they will never be in that same situation.

Yeah guy throws pads into the crowd and swears at his coach in front of the entire team. What passion.

Was he actually "swearing" at Fischer or did he just say some stupid things because he got yanked after he got injured.

 

[Diamond]

This has all been building for awhile. Like when Fisher said he put Kerry Collins in for the PIT game because 'they needed to throw'.

Perhaps Collins is the better passer (or rather used to be), but you keep that crap to yourself. It doesn't help anybody. Then there was last week when an obviously healthy enough to start Young was the backup to Collins. What a great way to build confidence in your supposed starting QB. I just don't think Young is the only one who's acted like an infant in this. Fisher seems to undermine him at every opportunity.

I guess it all goes back to the beginning when supposedly it was the owner who wanted to draft Young, while the coaches wanted Cutler. And the owner was probably the one who forced the mid season switch last year. So Fisher undermines Young until he lashes out, and Fisher has the excuse he needs to bench him and still save face with the owner. This is all eerily reminiscent of week 1 in 2008. And frankly, it's a crappy way to coach.

So now Rusty Smith is the starting QB? Good luck with that Fisher. Say goodbye to your playoff hopes, Titans, and thanks for destroying CJ's fantasy season with 11 man fronts.

 

[Mikey16x]

Vince Young = Dennis Rodman

I don't think this is fair to Rodman. Rodman was a much better player than Young. With Rodman, you put up with some of the antics because he brought it on the court.

Not to hijack but Rodman was an absolute freak. The guy might not have been all there mentally but none of his teammates or coaches can ever say that he went on the court and dogged it. Guy laid his body on the line every single game.

 

[cvnpoka]

at the slightest hint that a player is not giving his all this board lines up to take shots. then, when a player actually exemplifies his desire to play, this board treats him similarly.

 

[FUBAR]

Vince Young = Dennis Rodman

I don't think this is fair to Rodman. Rodman was a much better player than Young. With Rodman, you put up with some of the antics because he brought it on the court.

Not to hijack but Rodman was an absolute freak. The guy might not have been all there mentally but none of his teammates or coaches can ever say that he went on the court and dogged it. Guy laid his body on the line every single game.

Rodman also played for the perfect coach during his glory years in Detroit. Maybe a different coach would bring VY around?

 

[Ballstein]

one word.......Wonderlic

 

[FavreCo]

Man, who cares. He sucks anyway.

He just wins football games and a national title, guys a total joke.

Lots of hacks QB national champions in College, Danny Weurrfel. And Vince doesn't win the games. He's just in them.

You compare him to Weurrfel as a pro? Also I find the forced emoticons telling. Very par for the course with you I'm afraid.

You are the one that said he won a national championship, most obviously implying that it means something. I proved that it means jack ####.

 

[Abraham]

as his biggest fan around here for a long time, i'm done with the guy.

 

[jsharlan]

The people who think Young is a good QB because his TEAM won 2/3rds of those games are probably the same people who thought Trent Dilfer was a good QB.

 

[Bri]

You are the one that said he won a national championship, most obviously implying that it means something. I proved that it means jack ####.

That's not true IMO. Look at Vince's rookie year. He came in about midseason and was excellent at getting Ws winning seven of the last eight and most of those were close games. His stats weren't impressive but his leadership and determination was like "who is this? Joe Montana's son?" or somesuch. I mean super impressive.He made the pro bowl on what amounts to a half season of starts.I don't know how you expect a national championship to translate to the NFL but I'm pretty sure that's gotta be it. As I said before, he had immaturity issues with which coach he paid complete attention to and was way too quick to rest on his laurels. IMO There's a clear decline from the guy Brown sent to the NFL and the day he thought he was king. I understand he MAY have had a suicide attempt and he lost a mentor that was dear to him. That's alot for anyone to deal with. I said in the other thread that Dallas would go after him. I really expect them to. More than anything, if I could somehow talk to Vince I'd tell him to go be with Mack Brown. Brown has been an awesome influence on Young, a father figure, he's a top football mind and he loves Vince. If he doesn't get his head right, he's never going to be a good pro nevermind a top pro (not FF) QB like he has the ability to be. Geesh he should just quit the Titans and go live in Mack's house til some team's training camp in 2011. He's got serious depression issues and immaturity issues that if he doesn't do something drastic and quick he's going to throw his career away.

 

[jsharlan]

He should just go back to Austin and fade into the sunset where everyone will kiss his ### for the rest of his life. Having people love him is all he's ever cared about. You can thank Mack for that.

 

[guderian]

There were 3 common opponents between the 0-6 start and the 8-2 finish. During the 0-6 start they lost to Houston by 3, the Jags by 20 and the Colts by 22. Two of those games were at home. During the "canday ###" portion of their schedule, they beat Houston by 3 and the Jags by 17, but lost to the Colts by 10. Same opponents, but a 55 point narrowing of the PF/PA margin. So how is that a result of the "candy ###" schedule???

Way to not mention the candyasses. Leinart led Ari. Buf, 49ers, Fins, Sea. All bottomfeeders. Also note that Collins took the Pittsburgh bullet for Young. See how he fared this year aganist them. Not too good. Thans for playing. You're out of ammo.

I can see that you're not grasping this (shocking). Young and Collins faced the exact same opponents three times. Collins lost all three games by an average margin of -15 points. Young beat two of the same three teams with an average margin of +3. Young played two of those games on the road to one for Collins. The pre-VY/post-VY performance of the Titans doesn't get any clearer.

 

[guderian]

Yes, so RBs get more carries when their team is ahead. VY had 1 fewer INT in 10 games than Collins did in 6. Young's YPA were 7.3 versus Collins 5.7. Sure, Johnson played a big role int he season, but it's hard to imagine the QB switch had nothing to do with the major improvement.

Also worth noting Collins threw less then 30 times once in his 6 games, the last one. VY threw over 30 times twice to finish out the season, seems to me they just changed the style of play calling when VY took over to a more run balanced game.

Again, it's hard to tell if that's a function of a coincidental change in philosophy or the fact that they were throwing more when Collins was QB because they were inevitably trying to comeback from a deficit.

Pocket passer versus running QB, it's different.Also, Collins takes way more shots downfield than Vince.

Re-fisher stuff. As I understand it, Norm Chow put alot of work into Young and he didn't respond favorably-it was a struggle. Chow was eventually replaced with Heimerdinger, but from what I understand VY was always difficult to the OCs and when he spent some time with McNair (RIP) Vince was a perfect student. This has been a sore point with Fisher for a long time. A guy can't pick N choose who he listens to. He even takes in everything Kerry says well too.

Collins takes "way more shots downfield than Vince"??? In 2009 Collins was 2/17 for 89 yards on passes thrown 20+ yards beyond the line of scrimmage. Young was 14/37 for 441 yards. Collins threw 7.9% of his passes 20+ yards and Young threw 14.3%. Fisher never wanted to draft Young and he's coached him accordingly. They were able to draft him 3rd for a reason and he's subsequently won 2/3rds of his games for the Titans. He got benched against Pitt whereas Fisher stuck with Collins in 2009 despite the fact that he had games where he was much worse than Young was against Pitt.

 

[guderian]

The people who think Young is a good QB because his TEAM won 2/3rds of those games are probably the same people who thought Trent Dilfer was a good QB.

Dont' flip-flop the argument. People have said that he 'stinks' and that is merely one of the many pieces of evidence that he doesn't along with the 98.6 passer rating, 10/3 TD/INT ratio, 60% completion percentage, 8.0 yards per attempt, and the 5.0 yards per rush. The Titans were 4-12 before he got there and they went 8-8 the subsequent year, they were 0-6 last year with Collins and 8-2 with Young. He stunk his 2nd year, but the last couple of year's he's been quite solid and repeatedly gets benched for it. Anyway, there isn't much in the way of free agent QBs this year, Fisher will get his wish of relying on Kerry Collins unchallenged for 2011.

 

[sho nuff]

Vince Youg gets hurt. He knows today's game was vital for the Titans to press on twards the playoffs with Indy at 6-3, Jax 5-4 and so he wants to get back into the game. There are other QBs in the league that would be able to get themselves back into the game. It wasn't a concussion but he is met with the brakes and he gets fired up about it. I don't understand the problem really. OK, he tossed a cople souvenirs into the crowd, he was upset that he culdn't finish the game. I'd like to see some of that passion in a few of the QBs that have graced the Miami Dolphins locker the past 8-10 years. I haven't read thru the thread but on the suface I think Young was showing his competitive side today. I have no doubt we will have some Young haters and some grandstanders that want to talk about how they would never act like that even though they will never be in that same situation.

He can claim he wanted back in, but Fisher says Vince never came to him saying that.And I was there...and I never saw Vince anywhere near Fisher. He wasn't even near his team for much of the game after he was out.He was off to the side on his own. Nowhere near any of the huddles during timeouts...

 

[Ghost Rider]

There is no way to defend Young's immature and destructive behavior in this situation. Tossing your uniform into the stands is a sign of total disrespect to the team and the franchise.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

-Young is 30-17 a a starter in the NFL

-Young has 2 Pro Bowls under his belt, only starting 3 full season of games.

-Reports now surfacing that Young did not throw his pads into the stands but merely his jersey and it was thrown at an executive's daughter who probably didn't mind the souvenir.

-Young is beloved by Bud Adams

I side with Young, and I have lost a lot of resect for Jeff Fisher. For him to say that Young didn't let him know he could get back in the game is horsespit. Does Donald Trump wait for his employees to let him know when they can work on their jobs? Heshould have been over there or had one of his coaches tell him the situation. He also said he didn't feel the thumb was OK or acceptable so he knew more than he s letting on. Poor leadership on Fisher and shows that these two don't talk much.

We all piled on McNabb for not sticking up for himself but Young is sticking up for himself and this board is piling on him, total horsespit as far as I'm concerned. Fisher has never wanted to play this guy, nevr really wanted to draft him, and has pulled him anytime he could. Rusty Smith? Seriously??? If I'm Bud Adams I fire Fisher immediately or order my GM to get Young an extension so Fisher gets he message. Without Young the Titans are going to turn into a 4-12 team pretty quick. You must have a solid QB in the NFL and despite Young maybe not being a QB1 in our fantasy world, he still wins football games in the NFL and you can do far worse than having Young under center. If you want to replace him then draft another guy to groom behind him but you don't turn the franchise over to 6th round pick Rusty Smith from FAU. I live in South Florida and I know who Rusty Smith is...this is not what you do with your franchise right now. Smith needs several years in a system and should not be starting football games. I would be irate if I were a Titans season ticket holder.

 

[LittlePhatty]

then, when a player actually exemplifies his desire to play, this board treats him similarly.

That's not what happened. He was acting like a spoiled 10 year-old kid in a Pop Warner league.

 

[sho nuff]

-Young is 30-17 a a starter in the NFL-Young has 2 Pro Bowls under his belt, only starting 3 full season of games.-Reports now surfacing that Young did not throw his pads into the stands but merely his jersey and it was thrown at an executive's daughter who probably didn't mind the souvenir.-Young is beloved by Bud AdamsI side with Young, and I have lost a lot of resect for Jeff Fisher. For him to say that Young didn't let him know he could get back in the game is horsespit. Does Donald Trump wait for his employees to let him know when they can work on their jobs? Heshould have been over there or had one of his coaches tell him the situation. He also said he didn't feel the thumb was OK or acceptable so he knew more than he s letting on. Poor leadership on Fisher and shows that these two don't talk much. We all piled on McNabb for not sticking up for himself but Young is sticking up for himself and this board is piling on him, total horsespit as far as I'm concerned. Fisher has never wanted to play this guy, nevr really wanted to draft him, and has pulled him anytime he could. Rusty Smith? Seriously??? If I'm Bud Adams I fire Fisher immediately or order my GM to get Young an extension so Fisher gets he message. Without Young the Titans are going to turn into a 4-12 team pretty quick. You must have a solid QB in the NFL and despite Young maybe not being a QB1 in our fantasy world, he still wins football games in the NFL and you can do far worse than having Young under center. If you want to replace him then draft another guy to groom behind him but you don't turn the franchise over to 6th round pick Rusty Smith from FAU. I live in South Florida and I know who Rusty Smith is...this is not what you do with your franchise right now. Smith needs several years in a system and should not be starting football games. I would be irate if I were a Titans season ticket holder.

I side with the long time respected coach.Perhaps the coaches and docs did tell him that he was having trouble gripping the ball?Young has been ok, but not great...and he was not good yesterday and his ball security was awful.Titans season ticket holders may be growing tired at some of Fisher...but watch VY on the sidelines and you will see why people are much more tired of VY and his antics.And it was not just the pad throwing or jersey throwing...it was the post game stuff where he walked out of the team meeting.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

-Young is 30-17 a a starter in the NFL

-Young has 2 Pro Bowls under his belt, only starting 3 full season of games.

-Reports now surfacing that Young did not throw his pads into the stands but merely his jersey and it was thrown at an executive's daughter who probably didn't mind the souvenir.

-Young is beloved by Bud Adams

I side with Young, and I have lost a lot of resect for Jeff Fisher. For him to say that Young didn't let him know he could get back in the game is horsespit. Does Donald Trump wait for his employees to let him know when they can work on their jobs? Heshould have been over there or had one of his coaches tell him the situation. He also said he didn't feel the thumb was OK or acceptable so he knew more than he s letting on. Poor leadership on Fisher and shows that these two don't talk much.

We all piled on McNabb for not sticking up for himself but Young is sticking up for himself and this board is piling on him, total horsespit as far as I'm concerned. Fisher has never wanted to play this guy, nevr really wanted to draft him, and has pulled him anytime he could. Rusty Smith? Seriously??? If I'm Bud Adams I fire Fisher immediately or order my GM to get Young an extension so Fisher gets he message. Without Young the Titans are going to turn into a 4-12 team pretty quick. You must have a solid QB in the NFL and despite Young maybe not being a QB1 in our fantasy world, he still wins football games in the NFL and you can do far worse than having Young under center. If you want to replace him then draft another guy to groom behind him but you don't turn the franchise over to 6th round pick Rusty Smith from FAU. I live in South Florida and I know who Rusty Smith is...this is not what you do with your franchise right now. Smith needs several years in a system and should not be starting football games. I would be irate if I were a Titans season ticket holder.

I side with the long time respected coach.Perhaps the coaches and docs did tell him that he was having trouble gripping the ball?

Young has been ok, but not great...and he was not good yesterday and his ball security was awful.

Titans season ticket holders may be growing tired at some of Fisher...but watch VY on the sidelines and you will see why people are much more tired of VY and his antics.

And it was not just the pad throwing or jersey throwing...it was the post game stuff where he walked out of the team meeting.

Can you elaborate?He went 12-16 165 0-0 and had a fumble lost early on. After the fumble, he completed his first 7 passes.

Also, the "respected coach" is a joke.

There have been 27 coaches in the NFL who have coached for 15 years or more. Of those 27, 20 have a better win loss percentage than Fisher. (That's 74%)

Of the 6 who have a worse win loss percentage 4 have championship rings and 1 has 4 division championships. Jim Mora is the only coach out of the top 28 who never won a championship or division title and has a lower win loss percentage than Fisher. (BTW he only made it to 15 years)

17 years, 1 AFC championship and lots of crappy years in between....meanwhile, VY has saved his job TWICE and Fisher still tries to undermine him. Has VY been very immature at times in all of this? Of course. Would most of us have immature outbursts at times in a similar situation? No doubt.

I really have no idea how Fish keeps his job, year in and out.

 

[sho nuff]

Can you elaborate?He went 12-16 165 0-0 and had a fumble lost early on.

Watch him when he runs...the ball is in one hand out away from his body. He was lucky it was only one fumble.He does not take care of the ball when he runs.