Vince Young (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

Can you elaborate?He went 12-16 165 0-0 and had a fumble lost early on.

Watch him when he runs...the ball is in one hand out away from his body. He was lucky it was only one fumble.He does not take care of the ball when he runs.

Many QBs can't run, period. The fact he is a dual threat is a plus IMO. His stats were good and his team was in position to win the football game. I really think folks are thinking with their FF minds instead of what NFL personnel are looking at Young. Young is not Manning, Brady or Rivers, never will be but he brings a different set of skills and can lead teams to wins in this league. Young is noit the guy you want to throw 40 times most weeks. He needs a good ground game behind him but he can hurt defenses when they pinch up and stop the run. He also is without Kenny Britt right now was was killing it when he was in their earlier this season. 12 of 16 is a 75% completion rate...pretty good. Young's QB ratng this season is up to 97.6 and he has 10 TD vs 3 Int...he's pretty go at not losing football games on his own.

 

[jsharlan]

The people who think Young is a good QB because his TEAM won 2/3rds of those games are probably the same people who thought Trent Dilfer was a good QB.

Dont' flip-flop the argument. People have said that he 'stinks' and that is merely one of the many pieces of evidence that he doesn't along with the 98.6 passer rating, 10/3 TD/INT ratio, 60% completion percentage, 8.0 yards per attempt, and the 5.0 yards per rush. The Titans were 4-12 before he got there and they went 8-8 the subsequent year, they were 0-6 last year with Collins and 8-2 with Young. He stunk his 2nd year, but the last couple of year's he's been quite solid and repeatedly gets benched for it. Anyway, there isn't much in the way of free agent QBs this year, Fisher will get his wish of relying on Kerry Collins unchallenged for 2011.

What is this, fun with numbers? He's has a lifetime QB rating of 75, 54 TD to 54 Turnovers, and a career completion percentage of 57%. 'HE' didn't win but a handful of games himself, his 'TEAM' won 2/3rds of the games he played with a great RB, nice offensive line, and a solid defense. He has been mediocre at best. You don't get paid the money he is getting paid for mediocre and then throw in his lack of work ethic, off field issues, and possible coaching issues. He might not be the worst QB in the league, but they could certainly do better for that amount of money and off field headaches. Bud Adams loves him because Adams is a middle finger waving lunatic who thinks he is sticking it to the state of Texas by having Young in Tennessee. The problem is everyone outside of Austin doesn't care about Young anymore. Vodka Collins and some scrub rookie aren't the answer obviously, but if Young did the things they said he did(and I'm not saying he did), then the coach not doing something about it will lose his team. Fisher made the right decision. Young isn't Favre, and Chilly kissing Favre's ### is costing him his job.

 

[sho nuff]

Can you elaborate?He went 12-16 165 0-0 and had a fumble lost early on.

Watch him when he runs...the ball is in one hand out away from his body. He was lucky it was only one fumble.He does not take care of the ball when he runs.

Many QBs can't run, period. The fact he is a dual threat is a plus IMO. His stats were good and his team was in position to win the football game. I really think folks are thinking with their FF minds instead of what NFL personnel are looking at Young. Young is not Manning, Brady or Rivers, never will be but he brings a different set of skills and can lead teams to wins in this league. Young is noit the guy you want to throw 40 times most weeks. He needs a good ground game behind him but he can hurt defenses when they pinch up and stop the run. He also is without Kenny Britt right now was was killing it when he was in their earlier this season. 12 of 16 is a 75% completion rate...pretty good. Young's QB ratng this season is up to 97.6 and he has 10 TD vs 3 Int...he's pretty go at not losing football games on his own.

Watch him play...don't just look at the stats yesterday. Watch him play.I was wrong in calling him just bad yesterday...but it went beyond what the overall stats were.It simply was not great QB play at all...

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The people who think Young is a good QB because his TEAM won 2/3rds of those games are probably the same people who thought Trent Dilfer was a good QB.

Dont' flip-flop the argument. People have said that he 'stinks' and that is merely one of the many pieces of evidence that he doesn't along with the 98.6 passer rating, 10/3 TD/INT ratio, 60% completion percentage, 8.0 yards per attempt, and the 5.0 yards per rush. The Titans were 4-12 before he got there and they went 8-8 the subsequent year, they were 0-6 last year with Collins and 8-2 with Young. He stunk his 2nd year, but the last couple of year's he's been quite solid and repeatedly gets benched for it. Anyway, there isn't much in the way of free agent QBs this year, Fisher will get his wish of relying on Kerry Collins unchallenged for 2011.

What is this, fun with numbers? He's has a lifetime QB rating of 75, 54 TD to 54 Turnovers, and a career completion percentage of 57%. 'HE' didn't win but a handful of games himself, his 'TEAM' won 2/3rds of the games he played with a great RB, nice offensive line, and a solid defense. He has been mediocre at best. You don't get paid the money he is getting paid for mediocre and then throw in his lack of work ethic, off field issues, and possible coaching issues. He might not be the worst QB in the league, but they could certainly do better for that amount of money and off field headaches. Bud Adams loves him because Adams is a middle finger waving lunatic who thinks he is sticking it to the state of Texas by having Young in Tennessee. The problem is everyone outside of Austin doesn't care about Young anymore. Vodka Collins and some scrub rookie aren't the answer obviously, but if Young did the things they said he did(and I'm not saying he did), then the coach not doing something about it will lose his team. Fisher made the right decision. Young isn't Favre, and Chilly kissing Favre's ### is costing him his job.

His QB rating has gone from 65.5 in 2008 to 82.8 in 2009 to 97.6 this year. He has 22 TDs vs 10 Int the last 2 seasons. That's not twisting numbers. Manning threw a ton of interceptions when he came into th league, good thing Indy stuck it out with him. And he also was a yearly loser in the playoffs, good thing his organization stood by him. Fisher doesn't stand by Young, doesn't have his back, and it's obvious. I'll be interested to see what Bud Adams does from this point.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Can you elaborate?He went 12-16 165 0-0 and had a fumble lost early on.

Watch him when he runs...the ball is in one hand out away from his body. He was lucky it was only one fumble.He does not take care of the ball when he runs.

Yeah...he does, but it's not new...and there are 10 qbs in the league with as many or more fumbles (6), some of which are just mishandled/bad snaps from center. Most of those guys aren't runners, either.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Watch him play...don't just look at the stats yesterday. Watch him play.

I was wrong in calling him just bad yesterday...but it went beyond what the overall stats were.

It simply was not great QB play at all...

I give you props for that statement, most in here never bend. I understand your point but Vince Young is not a terrible NFL QB, he's had far more success than many of his peers. He's not a prolific passer but I think he can lead a team. He did it at UT on a gigantic stage, and he has done it for the Titans and probably saved Fisher's butt last season after they started 0-6. Fisher really showed me a side of him that I must have overlooked. I think it's time for him to find a new team. He's a good coach but I don't like how he has handled this and I think he needs to get out of Peyton Manning's division.

 

[jsharlan]

Manning doesn't get into bar fights, quit on his team, or get put on suicide watch. 4 MVPs and year after year of HOF performance is nice too. Other than that Young is just like Manning. Afterall, HE JUST WINS GAMES.

 

[sho nuff]

Watch him play...don't just look at the stats yesterday. Watch him play.

I was wrong in calling him just bad yesterday...but it went beyond what the overall stats were.

It simply was not great QB play at all...

I give you props for that statement, most in here never bend. I understand your point but Vince Young is not a terrible NFL QB, he's had far more success than many of his peers. He's not a prolific passer but I think he can lead a team. He did it at UT on a gigantic stage, and he has done it for the Titans and probably saved Fisher's butt last season after they started 0-6. Fisher really showed me a side of him that I must have overlooked. I think it's time for him to find a new team. He's a good coach but I don't like how he has handled this and I think he needs to get out of Peyton Manning's division.

I don't think he is terrible, and he has some potential.But I think his attitude, effort, maturity and so on is holding him back.

 

[fatness]

We all piled on McNabb for not sticking up for himself but Young is sticking up for himself and this board is piling on him,

Young and McNabb must have something else in common.

 

[habsfan]

Watch him play...don't just look at the stats yesterday. Watch him play.

I was wrong in calling him just bad yesterday...but it went beyond what the overall stats were.

It simply was not great QB play at all...

I give you props for that statement, most in here never bend. I understand your point but Vince Young is not a terrible NFL QB, he's had far more success than many of his peers. He's not a prolific passer but I think he can lead a team. He did it at UT on a gigantic stage, and he has done it for the Titans and probably saved Fisher's butt last season after they started 0-6. Fisher really showed me a side of him that I must have overlooked. I think it's time for him to find a new team. He's a good coach but I don't like how he has handled this and I think he needs to get out of Peyton Manning's division.

I don't think he is terrible, and he has some potential.But I think his attitude, effort, maturity and so on is holding him back.

Some of that can be worked on but you can't work on someone's tendency to "wig out" when things don't go well. He seems unstable and if true, his potential as a reclamation project is limited when all his progress can get wiped away every time he has an "incident".

 

[Ministry of Pain]

We all piled on McNabb for not sticking up for himself but Young is sticking up for himself and this board is piling on him,

Young and McNabb must have something else in common.

 

[gotexansgo]

As usual the stats dont tell the whole story with VY. He has helped win some games yes but that can be attributed to the D and great running game as well. Its easy to pile on VY because he does absolutely nothing to help himself and his play on the field isnt making up for that anymore. He lets fans booing get to him, what kind of starting QB is that? He missed Moss a few times yesterday and the crowd booed him for it, how did he respond? By telling them to boo more, the guy reminds me of a less athletic Vick with the Falcons (the bird flipping immature one) He needs to learn a lesson from Mike Vick here and mature and actually take his job seriously, obviously there are mixed reports coming out but I choose to believe the coach over VY given the track records. "Im not walking out on my team, Im walking out on you" yea thats a real leader there

McNabb has been thru far more adversity in his career and has handled it with class the whole way, he is mature....VY is not...VY needs to turn his career around now or just be another guy who thinks he is better then he actually is who wastes his talent and just skates by on his natural ability (again pre Philly Vick comes to mind) Fisher is a solid coach and wouldnt keep pulling VY if he didnt have a reason to, theres a reason there are reports coming out that his own teammates dont believe in him.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

As usual the stats dont tell the whole story with VY. He has helped win some games yes but that can be attributed to the D and great running game as well. Its easy to pile on VY because he does absolutely nothing to help himself and his play on the field isnt making up for that anymore. He lets fans booing get to him, what kind of starting QB is that? He missed Moss a few times yesterday and the crowd booed him for it, how did he respond? By telling them to boo more, the guy reminds me of a less athletic Vick with the Falcons (the bird flipping immature one) He needs to learn a lesson from Mike Vick here and mature and actually take his job seriously, obviously there are mixed reports coming out but I choose to believe the coach over VY given the track records. "Im not walking out on my team, Im walking out on you" yea thats a real leader there McNabb has been thru far more adversity in his career and has handled it with class the whole way, he is mature....VY is not...VY needs to turn his career around now or just be another guy who thinks he is better then he actually is who wastes his talent and just skates by on his natural ability (again pre Philly Vick comes to mind) Fisher is a solid coach and wouldnt keep pulling VY if he didnt have a reason to, theres a reason there are reports coming out that his own teammates dont believe in him.

Why do we only compare Young to other African American QBs? Why is he on par with Vick in Atlanta who had a whole lot more baggage going on behind the scenes? I think they are all unique and I also find it interesting that it's OK when Rivers(who I love) throws tantrems, Marino threw tantrems, Brady can get hot and bothered...it's OK when those guys have their say and blow off some steam but when Young does it then it's immaturity to the highest degree. Reports say he only threw his jersey and it was to a team executive's daughter. The blow up in the locker room was reported by Jeff Fisher to my knowledge. Bottom line he taped up his thumb and wanted to go back in the game. He should have been allowed to do that and Fisher opted not to go that way. That's his right as the HC, but that doesn't mean that players have to grin and bear it.

 

[Tybeeman]

I don't have strong feelings either way when it comes to VY. I can say that his performance against USC was one of the best ever. That 99 yard drive last year was also quite impressive. Based on what I've seen, I think his QB performance has gotten better year after year. I guess his leadership, and immaturity needs to catch up.

BTW, is there a video link to him throwing his equipment into the stands?

 

[the hairy scotsman]

As usual the stats dont tell the whole story with VY. He has helped win some games yes but that can be attributed to the D and great running game as well. Its easy to pile on VY because he does absolutely nothing to help himself and his play on the field isnt making up for that anymore. He lets fans booing get to him, what kind of starting QB is that? He missed Moss a few times yesterday and the crowd booed him for it, how did he respond? By telling them to boo more, the guy reminds me of a less athletic Vick with the Falcons (the bird flipping immature one) He needs to learn a lesson from Mike Vick here and mature and actually take his job seriously, obviously there are mixed reports coming out but I choose to believe the coach over VY given the track records. "Im not walking out on my team, Im walking out on you" yea thats a real leader there

McNabb has been thru far more adversity in his career and has handled it with class the whole way, he is mature....VY is not...VY needs to turn his career around now or just be another guy who thinks he is better then he actually is who wastes his talent and just skates by on his natural ability (again pre Philly Vick comes to mind) Fisher is a solid coach and wouldnt keep pulling VY if he didnt have a reason to, theres a reason there are reports coming out that his own teammates dont believe in him.

Why do we only compare Young to other African American QBs? Why is he on par with Vick in Atlanta who had a whole lot more baggage going on behind the scenes? I think they are all unique and I also find it interesting that it's OK when Rivers(who I love) throws tantrems, Marino threw tantrems, Brady can get hot and bothered...it's OK when those guys have their say and blow off some steam but when Young does it then it's immaturity to the highest degree. Reports say he only threw his jersey and it was to a team executive's daughter. The blow up in the locker room was reported by Jeff Fisher to my knowledge.

Bottom line he taped up his thumb and wanted to go back in the game. He should have been allowed to do that and Fisher opted not to go that way. That's his right as the HC, but that doesn't mean that players have to grin and bear it.

Good post, MOP.I've also heard reports he tosses his uni in the stands every game.

As for these "blowups" or "meltdowns", they always seem to be reported by Fish, don't they? This one is being accompanied by a gag order to the players. Fish controls the spin.

Obviously, VY could handle all of this better. Much better. In a better world, he could just soak all of crap up and not give Fish the ammo he obviously so desperately seeks. That's easier said than done, however, and I'd wager that most of us, if we were the 5th rated passer in the league, having improved every year and busted our asses to do what this coach wants, having saved his job TWICE only to have him cut us off at the knees at every turn, would be hard pressed to do the mature thing.

 

[gotexansgo]

Why do we only compare Young to other African American QBs? Why is he on par with Vick in Atlanta who had a whole lot more baggage going on behind the scenes? I think they are all unique and I also find it interesting that it's OK when Rivers(who I love) throws tantrems, Marino threw tantrems, Brady can get hot and bothered...it's OK when those guys have their say and blow off some steam but when Young does it then it's immaturity to the highest degree. Reports say he only threw his jersey and it was to a team executive's daughter. The blow up in the locker room was reported by Jeff Fisher to my knowledge. Bottom line he taped up his thumb and wanted to go back in the game. He should have been allowed to do that and Fisher opted not to go that way. That's his right as the HC, but that doesn't mean that players have to grin and bear it.

Has nothing to do with skin color, I compared him to who he reminded me of, which is a Falcon era Vick. Who also had a questionable work ethic and mostly skated by on his god given ability, also was a "winner". Has Rivers/Marino/Brady's work ethic ever been questioned? Have any of them had there mothers call the cops and team because she thought they might be suicidal? Do they walk out on there coaches/team? The way I see it those guys "tantrums" are just them being fired up, where as VY's tantrums are more Ima go pout by myself/storm out of the stadium. LT took the same kind of beating when he sat on the bench by himself helmet and coat on during that one playoff loss where he was injured. Its all about perception and VY's for the most part isnt a good one to most people.

 

[One]

I've also heard reports he tosses his uni in the stands every game.

My brother said the same thing. Said he threw his wristbands and jersey into the stands after the game he was at.

 

[the Jag Zone]

VY is overrated and over hyped.. and he will never win and NFL Championship... I repeat... NEVER!!

IE: Mike Vick II (the sequel)

Nice to see a Jags fan weigh in with objective analysis.

reality is what it is..

ok time to fess up...first off in regards to Vick..

he clearly appears to have learned and progressed..

and actually he may just really get it !!

as for Vince Young.. ehhh..

well.. need anyone say more?

gonna post this here so I can officially eat my words where Vick is concerned.. but on the other hand.. ummm..

well.. VY's antics are clearly speaking for themselves once more..

as a football coach Jeff Fisher has clearly been one of the steady Coaches in the NFL in recent years..

he gets the most out of lesser talent in many cases.. his players play a tough physical brand of football..

and they are consistantly competitive and in most cares even better that just competitive..

with that thinking alone it certainly doesn't say much that a supposed talent like Vince Young was unable

to consistantly learn and even have success for the Titans..

clearly just another gifted athlete with a knucklehead brain that just doesn't get it..

 

[the hairy scotsman]

VY is overrated and over hyped.. and he will never win and NFL Championship... I repeat... NEVER!!

IE: Mike Vick II (the sequel)

Nice to see a Jags fan weigh in with objective analysis.

reality is what it is..

ok time to fess up...first off in regards to Vick..

he clearly appears to have learned and progressed..

and actually he may just really get it !!

as for Vince Young.. ehhh..

well.. need anyone say more?

gonna post this here so I can officially eat my words where Vick is concerned.. but on the other hand.. ummm..

well.. VY's antics are clearly speaking for themselves once more..

as a football coach Jeff Fisher has clearly been one of the steady Coaches in the NFL in recent years..

he gets the most out of lesser talent in many cases.. his players play a tough physical brand of football..

and they are consistantly competitive and in most cares even better that just competitive..

with that thinking alone it certainly doesn't say much that a supposed talent like Vince Young was unable

to consistantly learn and even have success for the Titans..

clearly just another gifted athlete with a knucklehead brain that just doesn't get it..

Clearly you're fishing with this, since you bumped the thread it came from, then reposted it here, but WTF.Fish hasn't won a playoff game in 7 years. Yeah, I guess that's steady.

VY, otoh, has improved his PR significantly every year and is now 5th in the league. Unable to consistently learn?

 

[Bad_Mo]

Tennessee Titans QB Vince Young (thumb) said he is frustrated with head coach Jeff Fisher's lack of confidence in him, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter. Young felt he could have kept playing in Week 11 with his thumb injury. 'It was very frustrating,' Young said. Young said he knows he made mistakes dealing with the situation in Week 11 and didn't react the way he should have. However, he said his frustration of not playing and not having Fisher's faith had built up to the point in which he didn't know how to handle it. 'It was just an awkward situation,' Young said. 'I just want to play football. I want to win games. I want to go to the Super Bowl. That's it.' Meanwhile, Young denied throwing his jersey in the stands, as was widely reported. He said he was simply giving it to the daughter of team executive vice president Don MacLachlan. Young also denied throwing 'half his uniform' in the stands, as Fisher said his quarterback did after the game. 'I throw my shoes into the stands after every game, my hat into the stands after every game, my wristbands into the stands after every game,' Young said. 'If it's a problem, I'll pay for my jersey.'

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Who in their right mind would want any of his sweaty stuff?

I'm surprised fans don't throw it back at him like he was a visitor hitting a HR at Wrigley Field.

 

[gotexansgo]

Young denied throwing his jersey in the stands, as was widely reported. He said he was simply giving it to the daughter of team executive vice president Don MacLachlan. Young also denied throwing 'half his uniform' in the stands, as Fisher said his quarterback did after the game. 'I throw my shoes into the stands after every game, my hat into the stands after every game, my wristbands into the stands after every game,' Young said. 'If it's a problem, I'll pay for my jersey.'____________________________________________________Who in their right mind would want any of his sweaty stuff?I'm surprised fans don't throw it back at him like he was a visitor hitting a HR at Wrigley Field.

I think its funny he denies throwing half his uni in the stands, then goes on to list half his uni that he threw into the stands...if he does it every game it is different but maybe its the first time Fisher noticed? Or perhaps someone brought it to his attention? I dont know, either way Im with you, no chance would I want any of his sweaty gear.

 

[the Jag Zone]

I have no need to fish at all with this..

VY's "quitting skills" are becoming well known in NFL lore..

and people sometimes need to face reality.. he's an over hyped head case, and nothing more..

as for Fisher.. if he is looking for a job next year and JDR is out in J-ville

(which with the schedule the Jags have left will odds on be that case)..

I could only hope that the Jags could land him..

because I can pretty much guarantee you that the Titans not winning a playoff game doesn't detract too terribly from his resume..

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Young denied throwing his jersey in the stands, as was widely reported. He said he was simply giving it to the daughter of team executive vice president Don MacLachlan. Young also denied throwing 'half his uniform' in the stands, as Fisher said his quarterback did after the game. 'I throw my shoes into the stands after every game, my hat into the stands after every game, my wristbands into the stands after every game,' Young said. 'If it's a problem, I'll pay for my jersey.'____________________________________________________Who in their right mind would want any of his sweaty stuff?I'm surprised fans don't throw it back at him like he was a visitor hitting a HR at Wrigley Field.

I think its funny he denies throwing half his uni in the stands, then goes on to list half his uni that he threw into the stands...if he does it every game it is different but maybe its the first time Fisher noticed? Or perhaps someone brought it to his attention? I dont know, either way Im with you, no chance would I want any of his sweaty gear.

You might not, and I believe that. But a lot of folks would, to keep or to sell.ETA: Fish claimed he threw his pads into the stands. Apparently, from other reports as well, that didn't happen. At any rate, shoes, wristbands, maybe a jersey, and a hat (which isn't really part of a uni) don't really constitute half a football uniform, do they? Also, in this age of everyone having phones with cameras and video, and at a game that had tv cameras everywhere, there's not a single photo of these pads in the stands? Interesting. I call bull#### on Fish.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

As a Niners fan, I'll be happy to see VY in SF. Seems to me he's not the most mature of players but so what?

I'd love to have my guy be a great qb AND an emotional leader. But that's quite rare. If I can only have one of the two, I'm going to take the immature whiny brat who wins game after game.

 

[FavreCo]

As a Niners fan, I'll be happy to see VY in SF. Seems to me he's not the most mature of players but so what?

I'd love to have my guy be a great qb AND an emotional leader. But that's quite rare. If I can only have one of the two, I'm going to take the immature whiny brat who wins game after game.

Amazing. I mean it has gotten to the point were it's as if it's Vince Young vs the other team. Somehow he is the one winning these games. He's a game manager on his best days. He's horrific if he has to play a stellar D. - Pittsburgh. Also, it takes one helluva a defense for a game manager led team to win it all. Trent Dilfer.

 

[LittlePhatty]

ETA: Fish claimed he threw his pads into the stands. Apparently, from other reports as well, that didn't happen.

Vince admitted it to Adam Schefter.LINK

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Tennessee Titans QB Vince Young (thumb) said he is frustrated with head coach Jeff Fisher's lack of confidence in him, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter. Young felt he could have kept playing in Week 11 with his thumb injury. 'It was very frustrating,' Young said. Young said he knows he made mistakes dealing with the situation in Week 11 and didn't react the way he should have. However, he said his frustration of not playing and not having Fisher's faith had built up to the point in which he didn't know how to handle it. 'It was just an awkward situation,' Young said. 'I just want to play football. I want to win games. I want to go to the Super Bowl. That's it.' Meanwhile, Young denied throwing his jersey in the stands, as was widely reported. He said he was simply giving it to the daughter of team executive vice president Don MacLachlan. Young also denied throwing 'half his uniform' in the stands, as Fisher said his quarterback did after the game. 'I throw my shoes into the stands after every game, my hat into the stands after every game, my wristbands into the stands after every game,' Young said. 'If it's a problem, I'll pay for my jersey.'

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Who in their right mind would want any of his sweaty stuff?

I'm surprised fans don't throw it back at him like he was a visitor hitting a HR at Wrigley Field.

Plenty of people want that stuff. Why has Vince never before been criticized for this? Suddenly there's an outburst and Fisher has a problem with it?It sounds to me like Fisher is the one throwing a tantrum, only he gets to have first word with the media so it looks worse than VY than it should.

 

[the Jag Zone]

As a Niners fan, I'll be happy to see VY in SF. Seems to me he's not the most mature of players but so what? I'd love to have my guy be a great qb AND an emotional leader. But that's quite rare. If I can only have one of the two, I'm going to take the immature whiny brat who wins game after game.

my feelings are simple.. these guys all have some level of ability or they wouldn't be in the positions that they are in..but this guy, like a few others over time, continually recieves the rave reviews from the media about his immense talent..yet when he stubs his toe.. he then follows it up by walking out on his team rather than making an effort to fight through it.. be a good teammate.. and solid leader..sorry folks.. but for all the hype.. a team.. any team deserves better from the guy.. period!!!

 

[Dr. Awesome]

As a Niners fan, I'll be happy to see VY in SF. Seems to me he's not the most mature of players but so what?

I'd love to have my guy be a great qb AND an emotional leader. But that's quite rare. If I can only have one of the two, I'm going to take the immature whiny brat who wins game after game.

Amazing. I mean it has gotten to the point were it's as if it's Vince Young vs the other team. Somehow he is the one winning these games. He's a game manager on his best days. He's horrific if he has to play a stellar D. - Pittsburgh. Also, it takes one helluva a defense for a game manager led team to win it all. Trent Dilfer.

I see you missed all the other posts that mentioned how well Collins has fared?

 

[Dr. Awesome]

As a Niners fan, I'll be happy to see VY in SF. Seems to me he's not the most mature of players but so what? I'd love to have my guy be a great qb AND an emotional leader. But that's quite rare. If I can only have one of the two, I'm going to take the immature whiny brat who wins game after game.

my feelings are simple.. these guys all have some level of ability or they wouldn't be in the positions that they are in..but this guy, like a few others over time, continually recieves the rave reviews from the media about his immense talent..yet when he stubs his toe.. he then follows it up by walking out on his team rather than making an effort to fight through it.. be a good teammate.. and solid leader..sorry folks.. but for all the hype.. a team.. any team deserves better from the guy.. period!!!

Screw that. If you felt your boss was constantly undermining you at every turn, at a certain point you'd get pissed off and walk out/throw a tantrum as well.

 

[meanjoegreen]

As a Niners fan, I'll be happy to see VY in SF. Seems to me he's not the most mature of players but so what? I'd love to have my guy be a great qb AND an emotional leader. But that's quite rare. If I can only have one of the two, I'm going to take the immature whiny brat who wins game after game.

Young is unhealthy physically and emotionally half the time, and he seems to lack that competitive drive. When the going gets rough, he gives up. I wouldn't want that in a starting QB.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

ETA: Fish claimed he threw his pads into the stands. Apparently, from other reports as well, that didn't happen.

Vince admitted it to Adam Schefter.LINK

Yes, he did the same thing that he does EVERY game. We're now supposed to hate the guy because he gives fans a souvenir after each game? Do I want his shoes? Hell no. Do other people want them? Yes. If anything we should give Young props for embracing the fans and building up some love with the locals.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

As a Niners fan, I'll be happy to see VY in SF. Seems to me he's not the most mature of players but so what? I'd love to have my guy be a great qb AND an emotional leader. But that's quite rare. If I can only have one of the two, I'm going to take the immature whiny brat who wins game after game.

Young is unhealthy physically and emotionally half the time, and he seems to lack that competitive drive. When the going gets rough, he gives up. I wouldn't want that in a starting QB.

Let's go along with this hyperbole. What qb's exhibit the toughness/leadership you're looking for?PeytonBrady????

 

[fatness]

ETA: Fish claimed he threw his pads into the stands. Apparently, from other reports as well, that didn't happen.

Vince admitted it to Adam Schefter.LINK

Where does he admit it?N/M -- it was in the video

 

[jackdubl]

Yeah, what's up with Fisher, man? The guy is one of my favorite head coaches, but I can't ever figure out why he has no faith in VY. He only played him last season after the owner got involved, then benched him whenever he got a chance this season. He benched him yesterday when the game was tied. The last time he benched him was a close game. I've got so much respect for Fisher that I figure there must be something going on that we aren't seeing, but I have little explanation aside from Fisher just doesn't want VY to be the QB, whatever his reasons are.

 

[gotexansgo]

Yes, he did the same thing that he does EVERY game. We're now supposed to hate the guy because he gives fans a souvenir after each game? Do I want his shoes? Hell no. Do other people want them? Yes. If anything we should give Young props for embracing the fans and building up some love with the locals.

No he doesnt always throw his pads in the stands which in the video Schefter says VY admitted and regretted. Its an issue when your "franchise" QB cant handle these kinds of situations. Again I point back to McNabb, did he throw a fit when he got benched? Did he walk out on his coach/team?

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Yes, he did the same thing that he does EVERY game. We're now supposed to hate the guy because he gives fans a souvenir after each game? Do I want his shoes? Hell no. Do other people want them? Yes. If anything we should give Young props for embracing the fans and building up some love with the locals.

No he doesnt always throw his pads in the stands which in the video Schefter says VY admitted and regretted. Its an issue when your "franchise" QB cant handle these kinds of situations. Again I point back to McNabb, did he throw a fit when he got benched? Did he walk out on his coach/team?

Vince made no mention of throwing his pads into the stand. Did I miss that?

 

[gregjcross]

I would love to see Kolb here next year.

I predict that Kolb is the next Rob Johnson type QB, someone that never really succeeds be it due to luck, fate or lack of skill.

 

[LittlePhatty]

ETA: Fish claimed he threw his pads into the stands. Apparently, from other reports as well, that didn't happen.

Vince admitted it to Adam Schefter.LINK

Yes, he did the same thing that he does EVERY game.

Err, did you listen to the video? Vince admitted throwing his shoulder pads and regretted it, then a security guard got them back for him.Edit: I guess you didn't watch the Schefter video:

Vince made no mention of throwing his pads into the stand. Did I miss that?

 

[Tybeeman]

ETA: Fish claimed he threw his pads into the stands. Apparently, from other reports as well, that didn't happen.

Vince admitted it to Adam Schefter.LINK

Where does he admit it?

Schefter said he admitted throwing his shoulder pads into the stands, and he regretted it. Also stated security got the pads back and now VY has them back in his posession.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Yeah, what's up with Fisher, man? The guy is one of my favorite head coaches, but I can't ever figure out why he has no faith in VY. He only played him last season after the owner got involved, then benched him whenever he got a chance this season. He benched him yesterday when the game was tied. The last time he benched him was a close game. I've got so much respect for Fisher that I figure there must be something going on that we aren't seeing, but I have little explanation aside from Fisher just doesn't want VY to be the QB, whatever his reasons are.

If I'm an employee constantly being undermined by my boss you can bet I'm going to blow up at some point. Call it a tantrum if you will, I think it's as simple as standing up for yourself.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

As a Niners fan, I'll be happy to see VY in SF. Seems to me he's not the most mature of players but so what?

I'd love to have my guy be a great qb AND an emotional leader. But that's quite rare. If I can only have one of the two, I'm going to take the immature whiny brat who wins game after game.

Amazing. I mean it has gotten to the point were it's as if it's Vince Young vs the other team. Somehow he is the one winning these games. He's a game manager on his best days. He's horrific if he has to play a stellar D. - Pittsburgh. Also, it takes one helluva a defense for a game manager led team to win it all. Trent Dilfer.

You're simply hilarious.People all over this board criticized VY for years for not being enough of a game manager. Now that he's become more of a game manager, then raised his passer rating by successfully taking more shots down the field starting with the Dallas game, you criticize him for being too much of a game manager.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

ETA: Fish claimed he threw his pads into the stands. Apparently, from other reports as well, that didn't happen.

Vince admitted it to Adam Schefter.LINK

Yes, he did the same thing that he does EVERY game.

Err, did you listen to the video? Vince admitted throwing his shoulder pads and regretted it, then a security guard got them back for him.

No, I can't listen to it at work. I read the transcript above. In that one Vince denied throwing half his uniform into the stands. He says he tossed in his jersey. If he says he threw his pads into the stands that was wrong. I don't fault Fisher if he fined him for that. But benching him for the season? Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[fatness]

Schefter said he admitted throwing his shoulder pads into the stands, and he regretted it. Also stated security got the pads back and now VY has them back in his posession.

Thanks. I see now it was in the video, not the text.

 

[FavreCo]

As a Niners fan, I'll be happy to see VY in SF. Seems to me he's not the most mature of players but so what?

I'd love to have my guy be a great qb AND an emotional leader. But that's quite rare. If I can only have one of the two, I'm going to take the immature whiny brat who wins game after game.

Amazing. I mean it has gotten to the point were it's as if it's Vince Young vs the other team. Somehow he is the one winning these games. He's a game manager on his best days. He's horrific if he has to play a stellar D. - Pittsburgh. Also, it takes one helluva a defense for a game manager led team to win it all. Trent Dilfer.

You're simply hilarious.People all mover this board criticized VY for years for not being enough of a game manager. Now that he's become more of a game manager, then raised his passer rating by successfully taking more shots down the field starting with the Dallas game, you criticize him for being too much of a game manager.

No. I'm saying that's the best he can ever hope to be. Because of that, the requrements of a vince young QB'ed team are a stellar defense in order to win an NFL championship. History shows that. Thus he is a total waste of time.Waiting for your 'all he does is win games' so I can hit you up again with Kerry Collins 2008 and watch you disappear again.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

ETA: Fish claimed he threw his pads into the stands. Apparently, from other reports as well, that didn't happen.

Vince admitted it to Adam Schefter.LINK

Yes, he did the same thing that he does EVERY game.

Err, did you listen to the video? Vince admitted throwing his shoulder pads and regretted it, then a security guard got them back for him.

No, I can't listen to it at work. I read the transcript above. In that one Vince denied throwing half his uniform into the stands. He says he tossed in his jersey. If he says he threw his pads into the stands that was wrong. I don't fault Fisher if he fined him for that. But benching him for the season? Two wrongs don't make a right.

This.

 

[gotexansgo]

If he says he threw his pads into the stands that was wrong. I don't fault Fisher if he fined him for that. But benching him for the season? Two wrongs don't make a right.

When you couple that with him reportedly being disruptive while Fisher was trying to address the team and then walking out, I do think it should be more then a fine. As for him not going back to VY, if he wasnt healthy enough its understandable, and by the initial reports yesterday he may need season ending surgery...Witten wanted to go back into a game earlier in the year after he got concussed, the staff wouldnt let him, why is this any different if it is a serious enough injury to potentially cost him his season?

 

[the hairy scotsman]

As a Niners fan, I'll be happy to see VY in SF. Seems to me he's not the most mature of players but so what?

I'd love to have my guy be a great qb AND an emotional leader. But that's quite rare. If I can only have one of the two, I'm going to take the immature whiny brat who wins game after game.

Amazing. I mean it has gotten to the point were it's as if it's Vince Young vs the other team. Somehow he is the one winning these games. He's a game manager on his best days. He's horrific if he has to play a stellar D. - Pittsburgh. Also, it takes one helluva a defense for a game manager led team to win it all. Trent Dilfer.

You're simply hilarious.People all mover this board criticized VY for years for not being enough of a game manager. Now that he's become more of a game manager, then raised his passer rating by successfully taking more shots down the field starting with the Dallas game, you criticize him for being too much of a game manager.

No. I'm saying that's the best he can ever hope to be. Because of that, the requrements of a vince young QB'ed team are a stellar defense in order to win an NFL championship. History shows that. Thus he is a total waste of time.Waiting for your 'all he does is win games' so I can hit you up again with Kerry Collins 2008 and watch you disappear again.

See, that's where you're argument falls flat. You criticize VY for being a game manager, but apparently you love KC, who's the ultimate game manager. that's why the Titan's couldn't win their playoff game in 2008. In the playoffs you need more than a game manager and the Titans needed a qb who could win the game for them with 2 minutes to go. That's not KC. As usual, you just don't make sense and you contradict yourself.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

If he says he threw his pads into the stands that was wrong. I don't fault Fisher if he fined him for that. But benching him for the season? Two wrongs don't make a right.

When you couple that with him reportedly being disruptive while Fisher was trying to address the team and then walking out, I do think it should be more then a fine. As for him not going back to VY, if he wasnt healthy enough its understandable, and by the initial reports yesterday he may need season ending surgery...Witten wanted to go back into a game earlier in the year after he got concussed, the staff wouldnt let him, why is this any different if it is a serious enough injury to potentially cost him his season?

If I'm an employee and my boss has spent the last few years undermining me time and time again, I'm probably going to blow up over something I shouldn't actually fuss about. Imo this was simply the straw that broke his back.I'm certainly not excusing his past actions. But he has CLEARLY improved as a qb in his time with the Titans. Fisher has repeatedly gone out of his way to bench VY and it looks like he has some beef with him (justified or not). Vince was in the wrong. That doesn't mean Fisher is in the right.

 

[FavreCo]

As a Niners fan, I'll be happy to see VY in SF. Seems to me he's not the most mature of players but so what?

I'd love to have my guy be a great qb AND an emotional leader. But that's quite rare. If I can only have one of the two, I'm going to take the immature whiny brat who wins game after game.

Amazing. I mean it has gotten to the point were it's as if it's Vince Young vs the other team. Somehow he is the one winning these games. He's a game manager on his best days. He's horrific if he has to play a stellar D. - Pittsburgh. Also, it takes one helluva a defense for a game manager led team to win it all. Trent Dilfer.

You're simply hilarious.People all mover this board criticized VY for years for not being enough of a game manager. Now that he's become more of a game manager, then raised his passer rating by successfully taking more shots down the field starting with the Dallas game, you criticize him for being too much of a game manager.

No. I'm saying that's the best he can ever hope to be. Because of that, the requrements of a vince young QB'ed team are a stellar defense in order to win an NFL championship. History shows that. Thus he is a total waste of time.Waiting for your 'all he does is win games' so I can hit you up again with Kerry Collins 2008 and watch you disappear again.

See, that's where you're argument falls flat. You criticize VY for being a game manager, but apparently you love KC, who's the ultimate game manager. that's why the Titan's couldn't win their playoff game in 2008. In the playoffs you need more than a game manager and the Titans needed a qb who could win the game for them with 2 minutes to go. That's not KC. As usual, you just don't make sense and you contradict yourself.

As you are now. Vince Young lover. Vince has ZERO playoff wins. And I think Collins is a serviceable backup.That's it. Young is barely that. I use Collins as the counter to your ridiculous claim that vince young wins the games for the titans. He doesn't. Otherwise you would admit that Kerry Collins win games for the titans. You never do, do you. You can't win this.