Vincent Brown (1 Viewer)

[shadyridr]

Coach Norv Turner confirmed that WR Vincent Brown is "right on schedule" in his recovery from a fractured left ankle.Brown was expected to miss at least eight weeks after undergoing surgery in mid-August. He's eligible to return from injured reserve in Week 7. Those in deeper leagues should think about adding Brown this week. The Chargers reportedly planned to "feature" him in their passing game before the injury.

 

[coachbobbyfinstock]

Shhhh..

 

[Raiderfan32904]

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=659173&st=0&p=14811457&fromsearch=1entry14811457

 

[donkshow]

So he is eligible to PLAY in week 7?

I thought it wasn't until AFTER week 8.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I'm pretty sure he won't be playing in week 7.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

So he is eligible to PLAY in week 7?I thought it wasn't until AFTER week 8.

I thought the same. Thought I read somewhere that he could practice after week 6 and play after week 8.

 

[tsarc888]

they are on bye week 7.

 

[Ace zero1]

I have an ir spot. I should stash him

 

[cstu]

He's eligible to play in week 8.

 

[sporthenry]

He's eligible to play afterin week 8.

So make that week 9.

 

[Grand Master B]

but what are we basing the hype on? The strong OTA's? A couple mediocre games last year? I'm not trying to crash the party, just haven't seen enough to think he could be any more than a DHB type

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Its far too early on this flier simply because all the byes (and normal injuries) that you have to plow through at this time of year.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

but what are we basing the hype on? The strong OTA's? A couple mediocre games last year? I'm not trying to crash the party, just haven't seen enough to think he could be any more than a DHB type

Though Brown didn't make a huge impact as a rookie, he was drawing rave reviews this summer, outplaying free-agent acquisition Robert Meachem . Said one Chargers veteran: "This is big. He's our best receiver." Brown can still be that. But he probably won't get the opportunity until November. http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000052119/

 

[Grand Master B]

So he's better than Robert Meachem? Ummmmmm, thanks. Just kidding, thanks for the post. That's all I've heard as well.

 

[Grand Master B]

Its far too early on this flier simply because all the byes (and normal injuries) that you have to plow through at this time of year.

Excellent point. I'd say you'd need a fairly deep bench, but even then I'd rather snatch a Hixon or even a Leonard Hankerson(IMO with that D, he and RG3 are going continue to grow).

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

So he's better than Robert Meachem? Ummmmmm, thanks. Just kidding, thanks for the post. That's all I've heard as well.

Jim Trotter, Sports Illustrated

• The disappointment on the faces of Chargers players and coaches after second-year wideout Vincent Brown broke his ankle last Satuday night against the Cowboys was real. Several reasons: The Chargers had planned to feature Brown in their passing game. He was the only receiver who knew each of the three wideout positions, and he was their best route-runner.

What I didn't know, courtesy of fellow wideout Malcom Floyd: Despite being 6 inches shorter than the 6-foot-5 Floyd, Brown could leap as high and had a wing span as wide as Floyd's. "His thumb is actually longer than mine," Floyd says. I'm not sure what to make of that, but it sounded interesting.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/jim_trotter/08/22/notebook/index.html#ixzz28BgGlhZu

 

[Bobtender]

He's eligible to play in week 8.

He's eligible to play week 7 but SD is on a bye that week. So, the earliest he could play is week 8.

 

[cstu]

He's eligible to play in week 8.

He's eligible to play week 7 but SD is on a bye that week. So, the earliest he could play is week 8.

To be technical, yes.

Coach Norv Turner confirmed that WR Vincent Brown is "right on schedule" in his recovery from a fractured left ankle.Brown was expected to miss at least eight weeks after undergoing surgery in mid-August. He's eligible to return from injured reserve in Week 7. Those in deeper leagues should think about adding Brown this week. The Chargers reportedly planned to "feature" him in their passing game before the injury. Oct. 2 - 3:46 pm et

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

He's eligible to play in week 8.

He's eligible to play week 7 but SD is on a bye that week. So, the earliest he could play is week 8.

Actually, the IR - designated to return requires a player to be on IR for at least 8 weeks before he can return. He can stay on the IR list longer, but week 9 is the earliest he can be active.

 

[dollarbill13]

but what are we basing the hype on? The strong OTA's? A couple mediocre games last year? I'm not trying to crash the party, just haven't seen enough to think he could be any more than a DHB type

Only watched a couple games last year but came away very impressed by his ball skills. There were a few jumping catches that he had which made me sure that he was at least a 6'3" guy. He reminds me of Chris Chambers in that he plays bigger than he is. I'm fairly confident that if he was a couple inches taller and/or went to a bigger school, he would have been a 1st round pick. He may not produce much this year coming back from injury, but I'm stashing him in all my dynasty leagues and am extremely confident that he'll be at least worthy of starting in most formats in 2013.

 

[cstu]

He's eligible to play in week 8.

He's eligible to play week 7 but SD is on a bye that week. So, the earliest he could play is week 8.

Actually, the IR - designated to return requires a player to be on IR for at least 8 weeks before he can return. He can stay on the IR list longer, but week 9 is the earliest he can be active.

You're correct - it's 8 weeks:

He can return to practice after six weeks and can be activated after eight weeks.

So that would be week 9.

 

[kutta]

but what are we basing the hype on? The strong OTA's? A couple mediocre games last year? I'm not trying to crash the party, just haven't seen enough to think he could be any more than a DHB type

He reminds me of Chris Chambers

 

[Beerguzzler]

I wouldn't count on consistent production from him when he comes back barring injury to someone else. I don't even know about him in dynasty now since Floyd was resigned. We have our top 4 WRs now signed long term. Great team wise, but bad for fantasy since it will limit his snaps.

 

[rockaction]

He's eligible to play in week 8.

He's eligible to play week 7 but SD is on a bye that week. So, the earliest he could play is week 8.

Actually, the IR - designated to return requires a player to be on IR for at least 8 weeks before he can return. He can stay on the IR list longer, but week 9 is the earliest he can be active.

You're correct - it's 8 weeks:

He can return to practice after six weeks and can be activated after eight weeks.

So that would be week 9.

Wait, Rotoworld still has this guy as returning in Week 8, as do others. What's the scoop on this? I read the rule the same way you two are reading it, but I'm not sure.per Bill Williamson of ESPN's NFC West blog on Sep. 4th:

Chargers have flexibility with WR Brown

September, 4, 2012

SEP 4 6:00 PM ET

By Bill Williamson | ESPN.com

As expected, the San Diego Chargers will put receiver Vincent Brown on injured reserve.

However, Brown will be able to be taken off the injured reserve, per new NFL rules, when he is healthy. He is expected to miss about half the season after breaking his ankle in the second preseason game. He is eligible to return after eight games. By putting Brown on the injured reserve, the Chargers can add a player to the roster now. The team has been looking for help on the offensive line and at cornerback.

Is that games or weeks? That's important, because games implies the two in pre-season. Argh. We haven't even hit week five yet, and we're worried about an undersized, kinda slow guy who broke an ankle? Sheesh.

 

[tdhartis]

He's eligible to play in week 8.

He's eligible to play week 7 but SD is on a bye that week. So, the earliest he could play is week 8.

Actually, the IR - designated to return requires a player to be on IR for at least 8 weeks before he can return. He can stay on the IR list longer, but week 9 is the earliest he can be active.

You're correct - it's 8 weeks:

He can return to practice after six weeks and can be activated after eight weeks.

So that would be week 9.

Wait, Rotoworld still has this guy as returning in Week 8, as do others. What's the scoop on this? I read the rule the same way you two are reading it, but I'm not sure.per Bill Williamson of ESPN's NFC West blog on Sep. 4th:

Chargers have flexibility with WR Brown

September, 4, 2012

SEP 4 6:00 PM ET

By Bill Williamson | ESPN.com

As expected, the San Diego Chargers will put receiver Vincent Brown on injured reserve.

However, Brown will be able to be taken off the injured reserve, per new NFL rules, when he is healthy. He is expected to miss about half the season after breaking his ankle in the second preseason game. He is eligible to return after eight games. By putting Brown on the injured reserve, the Chargers can add a player to the roster now. The team has been looking for help on the offensive line and at cornerback.

Is that games or weeks? That's important, because games implies the two in pre-season. Argh. We haven't even hit week five yet, and we're worried about an undersized, kinda slow guy who broke an ankle? Sheesh.

It's been my understanding all along he will likely take his first snap of the season week 9. You're right though. I've heard he plays like a larger wide receiver than his measurables suggest, but 5"11 with a 4.71 forty doesn't exactly create the image of a world-beater.

However, everyone seemed high on him as a sleeper in the pre-season and he was supposed to be a focal point. Everyone obviously doesn't have the same roster settings as my league, but we have an IR slot so I stashed him a couple weeks ago. Will see what I heard out of practice the couple of weeks before he is set to play and wait for him to show me something before even thinking of putting him in my lineup. With no dominating WRs on the team, Gates on the decline, and coming back fresh in the middle of the season we will see what he can do.

 

[sporthenry]

He's eligible to play in week 8.

He's eligible to play week 7 but SD is on a bye that week. So, the earliest he could play is week 8.

Actually, the IR - designated to return requires a player to be on IR for at least 8 weeks before he can return. He can stay on the IR list longer, but week 9 is the earliest he can be active.

You're correct - it's 8 weeks:

He can return to practice after six weeks and can be activated after eight weeks.

So that would be week 9.

Wait, Rotoworld still has this guy as returning in Week 8, as do others. What's the scoop on this? I read the rule the same way you two are reading it, but I'm not sure.per Bill Williamson of ESPN's NFC West blog on Sep. 4th:

Chargers have flexibility with WR Brown

September, 4, 2012

SEP 4 6:00 PM ET

By Bill Williamson | ESPN.com

As expected, the San Diego Chargers will put receiver Vincent Brown on injured reserve.

However, Brown will be able to be taken off the injured reserve, per new NFL rules, when he is healthy. He is expected to miss about half the season after breaking his ankle in the second preseason game. He is eligible to return after eight games. By putting Brown on the injured reserve, the Chargers can add a player to the roster now. The team has been looking for help on the offensive line and at cornerback.

Is that games or weeks? That's important, because games implies the two in pre-season. Argh. We haven't even hit week five yet, and we're worried about an undersized, kinda slow guy who broke an ankle? Sheesh.

It is 8 weeks after the designation and the designation had to be during week 1. The earliest a player could reach this designation was September 4th, one day before the regular season began. That means his first week was through all of week 1 games so week 8 will be through week 8 games, meaning he'll be able to play during week 9 games.

 

[rockaction]

He's eligible to play in week 8.

He's eligible to play week 7 but SD is on a bye that week. So, the earliest he could play is week 8.

Actually, the IR - designated to return requires a player to be on IR for at least 8 weeks before he can return. He can stay on the IR list longer, but week 9 is the earliest he can be active.

You're correct - it's 8 weeks:

He can return to practice after six weeks and can be activated after eight weeks.

So that would be week 9.

Wait, Rotoworld still has this guy as returning in Week 8, as do others. What's the scoop on this? I read the rule the same way you two are reading it, but I'm not sure.per Bill Williamson of ESPN's NFC West blog on Sep. 4th:

Chargers have flexibility with WR Brown

September, 4, 2012

SEP 4 6:00 PM ET

By Bill Williamson | ESPN.com

As expected, the San Diego Chargers will put receiver Vincent Brown on injured reserve.

However, Brown will be able to be taken off the injured reserve, per new NFL rules, when he is healthy. He is expected to miss about half the season after breaking his ankle in the second preseason game. He is eligible to return after eight games. By putting Brown on the injured reserve, the Chargers can add a player to the roster now. The team has been looking for help on the offensive line and at cornerback.

Is that games or weeks? That's important, because games implies the two in pre-season. Argh. We haven't even hit week five yet, and we're worried about an undersized, kinda slow guy who broke an ankle? Sheesh.

It is 8 weeks after the designation and the designation had to be during week 1. The earliest a player could reach this designation was September 4th, one day before the regular season began. That means his first week was through all of week 1 games so week 8 will be through week 8 games, meaning he'll be able to play during week 9 games.

Thanks. And there's this, from SBNation's Bolts From the BlueWeek 9 - Kansas City Chiefs

You saw how bad the Chargers beat up the Chiefs in Kansas City, now add in that this will be Vincent Brown's first game back! If Robert Meachem hasn't figured the offense out by then, expect quite a lot of playing time for the very hungry Mr. Brown.

I guess Yahoo! and Roto might want to change their projections.

 

[rockaction]

I guess Yahoo! and Roto might want to change their projections.

No, they don't.

Vincent Brown is eligible to play starting in Week 8, 10/28.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2012/8/30/3280056/nfl-injured-reserve-rules

1. Only players with a "major injury" who are placed on Reserve/Injured after 4:00 p.m., New York time, on Tuesday, September 4, or thereafter during the season, will be eligible to be reactivated at a later time.

2. A "major injury" is defined as an injury that renders the player unable to practice or play football for at least six weeks (42 calendar days) from the date of injury.

3. Each team may reactivate only one player placed on Reserve/Injured after 4:00 p.m., New York time, on Tuesday, September 4. That player must be "designated for return" at the time the club places him on Reserve/Injured, and such designation shall appear on that day's Personnel Notice.

4. Such player is eligible to return to practice if he has been on Reserve/Injured for at least six weeks from the date he is placed on Reserve. He is eligible to return to the Active List if he has been on Reserve/Injured for at least eight weeks from the date he is placed on Reserve.

http://www.chargers.com/team/transactions.html

09/04/2012 Placed WR Vincent Brown on the Reserved-Injured list and listed him as the team’s “Designated for Return” player, eligible to come back later in the season.

Week 1 for most teams started on Sunday the 9th of September. The period from Sept 2nd to 8th counts as a full week. The listing period starts on the 4th because the 3rd was Labor Day.

Brown can start practicing with the team starting on the 15th of October. The Chargers have to clear him a spot on the active roster from the 22nd to the 26th. He's eligible to play the 28th of October.

If you wait until the waivers on the 24th to try to get him, you'll probably be too late. Most publications and sites will start pimping out his name to watch during waivers on the 17th. A lot of people are going to try to grab him then. That means redrafters in the standard scoring 12 team format who want to save their waiver status need to grab Brown as a free agent the latest on the 10th. Deeper leagues and deeper benches should be grabbing him tonight.

Right now people are looking at Andre Roberts and Brian Hartline. Mining players from teams considered fantasy wastelands during the draft. By week 8, the WR pool, esp with the amount of love given to TEs from the pass happy "want to copy the Patriots" teams, is going to be almost completely tapped out except for injury replacements.

For a lot of fantasy squads hurting at WR, Brown might be the last high upside lottery ticket for a while.

Which is why I'm trying to figure out when this guy is eligible. It's more of an expression of disbelief that I'm spending an hour trying to figure out the weekly eligibility of a guy with questionable speed who just broke his ankle. But here we are. Now it's less clear. Roto and Yahoo and you have him eligible Week 8. The guys in this thread and Bolts From the Blue have him Week 9.

 

[MAC_32]

If you have an IR he should already be stuffed there. If you don't then it depends on the depth of your league. I do not have him stashed in my two non-IR leagues because the benches are too thin, I'll try to find room starting about week 6 or 7 but will check out byes first - I know I can make room in one once Hernandez comes back because then I can unload Pitta.

 

[JD8p]

I have had him stashed for a week...12 team, 17 roster spots (8 bench).

 

[Ace zero1]

He is stashed on my ir now.excited for him.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

He's eligible to play in week 8.

He's eligible to play week 7 but SD is on a bye that week. So, the earliest he could play is week 8.

Actually, the IR - designated to return requires a player to be on IR for at least 8 weeks before he can return. He can stay on the IR list longer, but week 9 is the earliest he can be active.

You're correct - it's 8 weeks:

He can return to practice after six weeks and can be activated after eight weeks.

So that would be week 9.

Wait, Rotoworld still has this guy as returning in Week 8, as do others. What's the scoop on this? I read the rule the same way you two are reading it, but I'm not sure.per Bill Williamson of ESPN's NFC West blog on Sep. 4th:

Chargers have flexibility with WR Brown

September, 4, 2012

SEP 4 6:00 PM ET

By Bill Williamson | ESPN.com

As expected, the San Diego Chargers will put receiver Vincent Brown on injured reserve.

However, Brown will be able to be taken off the injured reserve, per new NFL rules, when he is healthy. He is expected to miss about half the season after breaking his ankle in the second preseason game. He is eligible to return after eight games. By putting Brown on the injured reserve, the Chargers can add a player to the roster now. The team has been looking for help on the offensive line and at cornerback.

Is that games or weeks? That's important, because games implies the two in pre-season. Argh. We haven't even hit week five yet, and we're worried about an undersized, kinda slow guy who broke an ankle? Sheesh.

It's been my understanding all along he will likely take his first snap of the season week 9. You're right though. I've heard he plays like a larger wide receiver than his measurables suggest, but 5"11 with a 4.71 forty doesn't exactly create the image of a world-beater.

However, everyone seemed high on him as a sleeper in the pre-season and he was supposed to be a focal point. Everyone obviously doesn't have the same roster settings as my league, but we have an IR slot so I stashed him a couple weeks ago. Will see what I heard out of practice the couple of weeks before he is set to play and wait for him to show me something before even thinking of putting him in my lineup. With no dominating WRs on the team, Gates on the decline, and coming back fresh in the middle of the season we will see what he can do.

Not that it's ultra fast, but he ran a 4.57 at his pro day. That is definitely functional NFL speed, and he made some plays down the field last year. Meachem has all the size/speed requirements for a 1st rounder. That's not exactly paying off right now. Brown seems to be a much better WR. It should definitely help him coming in fresh at midseason too.

 

[Tau837]

However, everyone seemed high on him as a sleeper in the pre-season

I am a Chargers fan, and I wasn't high on him for this year.The Chargers throw less to their WRs than any team in the NFL. Brown is clearly behind Floyd in the pecking order (as well as Gates and Mathews), and he is also behind Meachem, at least on the depth chart.Even if he ends up passing Meachem for the #2 WR spot, it has been rare that Norv's #2 WR in San Diego has provided much fantasy value. And Brown is coming back from an injury, having missed a lot of valuable practice time.If you have to rely on him this year, you are in bad shape.

 

[jdswan922]

However, everyone seemed high on him as a sleeper in the pre-season

I am a Chargers fan, and I wasn't high on him for this year.The Chargers throw less to their WRs than any team in the NFL. Brown is clearly behind Floyd in the pecking order (as well as Gates and Mathews), and he is also behind Meachem, at least on the depth chart.Even if he ends up passing Meachem for the #2 WR spot, it has been rare that Norv's #2 WR in San Diego has provided much fantasy value. And Brown is coming back from an injury, having missed a lot of valuable practice time.If you have to rely on him this year, you are in bad shape.

You are referring to a depth chart that was created shortly before he went on IR. he was their best WR in preseason before the injury. No one is exactly lighting it up right now. With that being said, he is coming off a broken ankle, so my expectations for this year are tempered. I think 2013 is the year.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I'm excited about stashing Vincent Brown. Kevin Acee tweeted last night he thinks he'll be ready for that Chiefs game in early November. He's walking around right now and bones heal up and strenghten over time. It's not like a wobbly knee or a groin that is a ticking time bomb. Once Brown is back, it's safe to assume the bone is fully fused and healed and there should be no issues going forward. Remember that string of games Brown had last year toward the end of his rookie year. He was lighting it up with some dazzling plays. He has the look of a #1 WR, and plays with good hops, catch radius, and body control as well as good hands. (at least from what games I saw).

Passed the eyeball test and I think he could be a stud in 2013, but no reason he can't be a stud later this year and a lottery ticket WR3 that solidifies playoff rosters. Definitely a long time to hold him to wait for the payoff, but well worth it later when everyone will be fighting over him.

 

[Tau837]

However, everyone seemed high on him as a sleeper in the pre-season

I am a Chargers fan, and I wasn't high on him for this year.The Chargers throw less to their WRs than any team in the NFL. Brown is clearly behind Floyd in the pecking order (as well as Gates and Mathews), and he is also behind Meachem, at least on the depth chart.Even if he ends up passing Meachem for the #2 WR spot, it has been rare that Norv's #2 WR in San Diego has provided much fantasy value. And Brown is coming back from an injury, having missed a lot of valuable practice time.If you have to rely on him this year, you are in bad shape.

You are referring to a depth chart that was created shortly before he went on IR. he was their best WR in preseason before the injury. No one is exactly lighting it up right now. With that being said, he is coming off a broken ankle, so my expectations for this year are tempered. I think 2013 is the year.

I'm referring to how I expected the season to play out even before he got hurt. I expected Floyd and Meachem to be ahead of Brown all season. I recognized it was possible he could move ahead of Meachem if Meachem did not play well, but that would have still left him behind Floyd as the WR2. As I said above and posted in the offseason/preseason, the WR2 under Norv in San Diego has not typically been useful for fantasy purposes.

 

[Tau837]

Remember that string of games Brown had last year toward the end of his rookie year. He was lighting it up with some dazzling plays. He has the look of a #1 WR, and plays with good hops, catch radius, and body control as well as good hands. (at least from what games I saw).

What string of games are you talking about? Here is his game log from last season:Week 3: 15 snaps, 1 target, 0/0/0 receiving

Week 4: 22 snaps, 2 targets, 2/26/0 receiving

Week 5: 4 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receiving

Week 7: 6 snaps, 1 target, 0/0/0 receiving

Week 8: 9 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receiving

Week 9: 63 snaps, 6 targets, 4/79/0 receiving

Week 10: 61 snaps, 9 targets, 5/97/1 receiving

Week 11: 43 snaps, 4 targets, 1/8/0 receiving

Week 12: 74 snaps, 10 targets, 3/50/0 receiving

Week 13: 5 snaps, 2 targets, 1/22/1 receiving

Week 14: 6 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receiving

Week 15: 6 snaps, 1 target, 1/13/0 receiving

Week 16: 21 snaps, 4 targets, 2/34/0 receiving

Week 17: 5 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receiving

Apparently, you must be referring to weeks 9-12, since that was his best stretch. Even in that stretch, he only caught 13 of 29 targets. But note that Floyd missed those games. That is why Brown's snap count went up so dramatically during that stretch. And the team was so impressed by Brown's performance that when Floyd returned, they immediately dropped Brown back to minimal snaps and gave him just 7 targets over the final 5 games.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Remember that string of games Brown had last year toward the end of his rookie year. He was lighting it up with some dazzling plays. He has the look of a #1 WR, and plays with good hops, catch radius, and body control as well as good hands. (at least from what games I saw).

What string of games are you talking about? Here is his game log from last season:Week 3: 15 snaps, 1 target, 0/0/0 receivingWeek 4: 22 snaps, 2 targets, 2/26/0 receivingWeek 5: 4 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receivingWeek 7: 6 snaps, 1 target, 0/0/0 receivingWeek 8: 9 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receivingWeek 9: 63 snaps, 6 targets, 4/79/0 receivingWeek 10: 61 snaps, 9 targets, 5/97/1 receivingWeek 11: 43 snaps, 4 targets, 1/8/0 receivingWeek 12: 74 snaps, 10 targets, 3/50/0 receivingWeek 13: 5 snaps, 2 targets, 1/22/1 receivingWeek 14: 6 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receivingWeek 15: 6 snaps, 1 target, 1/13/0 receivingWeek 16: 21 snaps, 4 targets, 2/34/0 receivingWeek 17: 5 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receivingApparently, you must be referring to weeks 9-12, since that was his best stretch. Even in that stretch, he only caught 13 of 29 targets.But note that Floyd missed those games. That is why Brown's snap count went up so dramatically during that stretch. And the team was so impressed by Brown's performance that when Floyd returned, they immediately dropped Brown back to minimal snaps and gave him just 7 targets over the final 5 games.

Guess I'm not surprised that Brown lost ground to Floyd last year when Floyd came back from injury. He was a rookie afterall. Fast forward to this year, and the Chargers bring in Meachem and Royal and everyone assumes it's because they don't believe in Brown. Yet every report that I heard from training camp was that Brown was clearly the best WR the Chargers had. There were even reports about how disappointed his teammates were when he went down to injury, because they knew what he meant to the team. That coincides with the reports that the Chargers were planning to "feature" him in the passing game. You've been steadfastly against Brown for some time now. I'm not really sure why.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Fwiw he was picked up In one of my leagues this week. Then I went and grabbed I'm in my other 2. Just thought id let those trying to time it right, that the window may be starting to close.

 

[Tau837]

Remember that string of games Brown had last year toward the end of his rookie year. He was lighting it up with some dazzling plays. He has the look of a #1 WR, and plays with good hops, catch radius, and body control as well as good hands. (at least from what games I saw).

What string of games are you talking about? Here is his game log from last season:Week 3: 15 snaps, 1 target, 0/0/0 receiving

Week 4: 22 snaps, 2 targets, 2/26/0 receiving

Week 5: 4 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receiving

Week 7: 6 snaps, 1 target, 0/0/0 receiving

Week 8: 9 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receiving

Week 9: 63 snaps, 6 targets, 4/79/0 receiving

Week 10: 61 snaps, 9 targets, 5/97/1 receiving

Week 11: 43 snaps, 4 targets, 1/8/0 receiving

Week 12: 74 snaps, 10 targets, 3/50/0 receiving

Week 13: 5 snaps, 2 targets, 1/22/1 receiving

Week 14: 6 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receiving

Week 15: 6 snaps, 1 target, 1/13/0 receiving

Week 16: 21 snaps, 4 targets, 2/34/0 receiving

Week 17: 5 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receiving

Apparently, you must be referring to weeks 9-12, since that was his best stretch. Even in that stretch, he only caught 13 of 29 targets.

But note that Floyd missed those games. That is why Brown's snap count went up so dramatically during that stretch. And the team was so impressed by Brown's performance that when Floyd returned, they immediately dropped Brown back to minimal snaps and gave him just 7 targets over the final 5 games.

Guess I'm not surprised that Brown lost ground to Floyd last year when Floyd came back from injury. He was a rookie afterall. Fast forward to this year, and the Chargers bring in Meachem and Royal and everyone assumes it's because they don't believe in Brown. Yet every report that I heard from training camp was that Brown was clearly the best WR the Chargers had. There were even reports about how disappointed his teammates were when he went down to injury, because they knew what he meant to the team. That coincides with the reports that the Chargers were planning to "feature" him in the passing game.

I didn't assume that, and IMO anyone who did assume that was off base.They brought in Meachem to fill Jackson's role. The jury is out on whether than will ultimately pan out, but that was the purpose of signing Meachem.

People made a lot of assumptions about Royal coming in to play the slot as if he would be a big part of the passing game, but I felt all along that he was signed mainly for special teams and depth. I expected him to be WR4, behind Brown. And even with Gates, Mathews, and Brown missing games, Royal has just 13 targets and 9/45/1 receiving in 4 games. Pretty much the kind of production I expected.

You've been steadfastly against Brown for some time now. I'm not really sure why.

I'm not "against" Brown. I just call it like I see it. Before last season, I predicted Brown would have a minor role when many posters here were touting him as a sleeper, and he did have a minor role. Before this season, I predicted Brown would be the 3rd WR behind Meachem and Floyd and the 5th option in the passing game behind Gates, Mathews, Floyd, and Meachem. We don't really know if that would have been correct or not, since he got hurt.It's not that I don't like Brown. It's that the opportunity really hasn't been there for him yet, based on the nature of the Chargers passing game, which throws less to its WRs than any other team in the league, and the fact that there are other talented players higher in the pecking order within the passing game. And the fact that Rivers spreads the ball around.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Remember that string of games Brown had last year toward the end of his rookie year. He was lighting it up with some dazzling plays. He has the look of a #1 WR, and plays with good hops, catch radius, and body control as well as good hands. (at least from what games I saw).

What string of games are you talking about? Here is his game log from last season:Week 3: 15 snaps, 1 target, 0/0/0 receiving

Week 4: 22 snaps, 2 targets, 2/26/0 receiving

Week 5: 4 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receiving

Week 7: 6 snaps, 1 target, 0/0/0 receiving

Week 8: 9 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receiving

Week 9: 63 snaps, 6 targets, 4/79/0 receiving

Week 10: 61 snaps, 9 targets, 5/97/1 receiving

Week 11: 43 snaps, 4 targets, 1/8/0 receiving

Week 12: 74 snaps, 10 targets, 3/50/0 receiving

Week 13: 5 snaps, 2 targets, 1/22/1 receiving

Week 14: 6 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receiving

Week 15: 6 snaps, 1 target, 1/13/0 receiving

Week 16: 21 snaps, 4 targets, 2/34/0 receiving

Week 17: 5 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receiving

Apparently, you must be referring to weeks 9-12, since that was his best stretch. Even in that stretch, he only caught 13 of 29 targets.

But note that Floyd missed those games. That is why Brown's snap count went up so dramatically during that stretch. And the team was so impressed by Brown's performance that when Floyd returned, they immediately dropped Brown back to minimal snaps and gave him just 7 targets over the final 5 games.

Guess I'm not surprised that Brown lost ground to Floyd last year when Floyd came back from injury. He was a rookie afterall. Fast forward to this year, and the Chargers bring in Meachem and Royal and everyone assumes it's because they don't believe in Brown. Yet every report that I heard from training camp was that Brown was clearly the best WR the Chargers had. There were even reports about how disappointed his teammates were when he went down to injury, because they knew what he meant to the team. That coincides with the reports that the Chargers were planning to "feature" him in the passing game.

I didn't assume that, and IMO anyone who did assume that was off base.They brought in Meachem to fill Jackson's role. The jury is out on whether than will ultimately pan out, but that was the purpose of signing Meachem.

People made a lot of assumptions about Royal coming in to play the slot as if he would be a big part of the passing game, but I felt all along that he was signed mainly for special teams and depth. I expected him to be WR4, behind Brown. And even with Gates, Mathews, and Brown missing games, Royal has just 13 targets and 9/45/1 receiving in 4 games. Pretty much the kind of production I expected.

You've been steadfastly against Brown for some time now. I'm not really sure why.

I'm not "against" Brown. I just call it like I see it. Before last season, I predicted Brown would have a minor role when many posters here were touting him as a sleeper, and he did have a minor role. Before this season, I predicted Brown would be the 3rd WR behind Meachem and Floyd and the 5th option in the passing game behind Gates, Mathews, Floyd, and Meachem. We don't really know if that would have been correct or not, since he got hurt.It's not that I don't like Brown. It's that the opportunity really hasn't been there for him yet, based on the nature of the Chargers passing game, which throws less to its WRs than any other team in the league, and the fact that there are other talented players higher in the pecking order within the passing game. And the fact that Rivers spreads the ball around.

I see what you're saying. However, I think you are discounting the fact that VJax is gone. To this point, Meachem is a non factor. Gates is still getting some targets, but his production has been limited. With his injury history and age, (32) one should assume he is nearing the end. Just because the offense functioned a certain way in the past, where the it supported 1 WR a TE and a RB in the passing game, doesn't mean that will be what is true going forward. They should and likely will adapt to the talent they have on the roster.

 

[Tau837]

Remember that string of games Brown had last year toward the end of his rookie year. He was lighting it up with some dazzling plays. He has the look of a #1 WR, and plays with good hops, catch radius, and body control as well as good hands. (at least from what games I saw).

What string of games are you talking about? Here is his game log from last season:Week 3: 15 snaps, 1 target, 0/0/0 receiving

Week 4: 22 snaps, 2 targets, 2/26/0 receiving

Week 5: 4 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receiving

Week 7: 6 snaps, 1 target, 0/0/0 receiving

Week 8: 9 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receiving

Week 9: 63 snaps, 6 targets, 4/79/0 receiving

Week 10: 61 snaps, 9 targets, 5/97/1 receiving

Week 11: 43 snaps, 4 targets, 1/8/0 receiving

Week 12: 74 snaps, 10 targets, 3/50/0 receiving

Week 13: 5 snaps, 2 targets, 1/22/1 receiving

Week 14: 6 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receiving

Week 15: 6 snaps, 1 target, 1/13/0 receiving

Week 16: 21 snaps, 4 targets, 2/34/0 receiving

Week 17: 5 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receiving

Apparently, you must be referring to weeks 9-12, since that was his best stretch. Even in that stretch, he only caught 13 of 29 targets.

But note that Floyd missed those games. That is why Brown's snap count went up so dramatically during that stretch. And the team was so impressed by Brown's performance that when Floyd returned, they immediately dropped Brown back to minimal snaps and gave him just 7 targets over the final 5 games.

Guess I'm not surprised that Brown lost ground to Floyd last year when Floyd came back from injury. He was a rookie afterall. Fast forward to this year, and the Chargers bring in Meachem and Royal and everyone assumes it's because they don't believe in Brown. Yet every report that I heard from training camp was that Brown was clearly the best WR the Chargers had. There were even reports about how disappointed his teammates were when he went down to injury, because they knew what he meant to the team. That coincides with the reports that the Chargers were planning to "feature" him in the passing game.

I didn't assume that, and IMO anyone who did assume that was off base.They brought in Meachem to fill Jackson's role. The jury is out on whether than will ultimately pan out, but that was the purpose of signing Meachem.

People made a lot of assumptions about Royal coming in to play the slot as if he would be a big part of the passing game, but I felt all along that he was signed mainly for special teams and depth. I expected him to be WR4, behind Brown. And even with Gates, Mathews, and Brown missing games, Royal has just 13 targets and 9/45/1 receiving in 4 games. Pretty much the kind of production I expected.

You've been steadfastly against Brown for some time now. I'm not really sure why.

I'm not "against" Brown. I just call it like I see it. Before last season, I predicted Brown would have a minor role when many posters here were touting him as a sleeper, and he did have a minor role. Before this season, I predicted Brown would be the 3rd WR behind Meachem and Floyd and the 5th option in the passing game behind Gates, Mathews, Floyd, and Meachem. We don't really know if that would have been correct or not, since he got hurt.It's not that I don't like Brown. It's that the opportunity really hasn't been there for him yet, based on the nature of the Chargers passing game, which throws less to its WRs than any other team in the league, and the fact that there are other talented players higher in the pecking order within the passing game. And the fact that Rivers spreads the ball around.

I see what you're saying. However, I think you are discounting the fact that VJax is gone. To this point, Meachem is a non factor. Gates is still getting some targets, but his production has been limited. With his injury history and age, (32) one should assume he is nearing the end. Just because the offense functioned a certain way in the past, where the it supported 1 WR a TE and a RB in the passing game, doesn't mean that will be what is true going forward. They should and likely will adapt to the talent they have on the roster.

My view is based on the talent - and experience - of the players on the roster. Gates is not done by any means. And they are still throwing to the RBs. And they just extended Floyd. I've seen nothing to suggest I should change my expectations for the Chargers passing game.

 

[Beerguzzler]

No sense arguing Just Win. Some people want to believe they will get a mid season stud for nothing.

Here's the reality. He will at best a 4th option (RB's are the 3rd) in this offense this year, barring a Floyd injury. Like I've mentioned before, Floyd is the WR to own on SD. He's on the field in every offensive set and gets the most looks from Rivers. Going forward, him and Gates really are the only consistent passing threats for fantasy purposes.

With Gaither back, the passing offense should ramp up. Just hope that they don't continue to play in too many blowouts. Norv is a second half turtling machine if he has more than a 2 score lead. With the improved defense though, I'm not sure this offense will be as potent as years past when they have played from behind all too often.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Somebody grabbed him in my main league this week. Now he's trying to flip him. Too early to have much trade value IMO.

 

[RUSF18]

No sense arguing Just Win. Some people want to believe they will get a mid season stud for nothing.

Here's the reality. He will at best a 4th option (RB's are the 3rd) in this offense this year, barring a Floyd injury. Like I've mentioned before, Floyd is the WR to own on SD. He's on the field in every offensive set and gets the most looks from Rivers. Going forward, him and Gates really are the only consistent passing threats for fantasy purposes.

Who's saying differently? One guy went in the 8th round before the season, another is a guy who can be picked up now and stashed. Even better if you have IR spots and aren't losing another player.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

No sense arguing Just Win. Some people want to believe they will get a mid season stud for nothing.

Here's the reality. He will at best a 4th option (RB's are the 3rd) in this offense this year, barring a Floyd injury. Like I've mentioned before, Floyd is the WR to own on SD. He's on the field in every offensive set and gets the most looks from Rivers. Going forward, him and Gates really are the only consistent passing threats for fantasy purposes.

Who's saying differently? One guy went in the 8th round before the season, another is a guy who can be picked up now and stashed. Even better if you have IR spots and aren't losing another player.

Exactly. I picked him up off the WW and stashed him on the iR. I'm now dealing with injuries to multiple starters at WR. He may just be a better option down the stretch than the guys I drafted to be my WR4, or the other guys I picked up on the WW

 

[BoltBacker]

With the improved defense though, I'm not sure this offense will be as potent as years past when they have played from behind all too often.

This is the week we'll see if the defense is just fool's gold or not. ATL could have scored 50 if they really wanted to. They had no answer for Tony Gonzales and the ATL RB's and if they don't have a better answer for Graham/Sproles I could see NO laying 30+ on them too. SD has done a good job containing offenses that revolve around home run RB's(McFadden, Johnson, Charles) but I'm not completely sold yet that they are a balanced defense. Cason has been spotty at best and I was very disappointed in the pass rush they were able to generate vs a pass-centric Falcon team that doesn't have a reputation of having a very good OL.

 

[BRONG]

Remember that string of games Brown had last year toward the end of his rookie year. He was lighting it up with some dazzling plays. He has the look of a #1 WR, and plays with good hops, catch radius, and body control as well as good hands. (at least from what games I saw).

What string of games are you talking about? Here is his game log from last season:Week 3: 15 snaps, 1 target, 0/0/0 receivingWeek 4: 22 snaps, 2 targets, 2/26/0 receivingWeek 5: 4 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receivingWeek 7: 6 snaps, 1 target, 0/0/0 receivingWeek 8: 9 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receivingWeek 9: 63 snaps, 6 targets, 4/79/0 receivingWeek 10: 61 snaps, 9 targets, 5/97/1 receivingWeek 11: 43 snaps, 4 targets, 1/8/0 receivingWeek 12: 74 snaps, 10 targets, 3/50/0 receivingWeek 13: 5 snaps, 2 targets, 1/22/1 receivingWeek 14: 6 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receivingWeek 15: 6 snaps, 1 target, 1/13/0 receivingWeek 16: 21 snaps, 4 targets, 2/34/0 receivingWeek 17: 5 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receivingApparently, you must be referring to weeks 9-12, since that was his best stretch. Even in that stretch, he only caught 13 of 29 targets.But note that Floyd missed those games. That is why Brown's snap count went up so dramatically during that stretch. And the team was so impressed by Brown's performance that when Floyd returned, they immediately dropped Brown back to minimal snaps and gave him just 7 targets over the final 5 games.

 

[BRONG]

Remember that string of games Brown had last year toward the end of his rookie year. He was lighting it up with some dazzling plays. He has the look of a #1 WR, and plays with good hops, catch radius, and body control as well as good hands. (at least from what games I saw).

What string of games are you talking about? Here is his game log from last season:Week 3: 15 snaps, 1 target, 0/0/0 receivingWeek 4: 22 snaps, 2 targets, 2/26/0 receivingWeek 5: 4 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receivingWeek 7: 6 snaps, 1 target, 0/0/0 receivingWeek 8: 9 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receivingWeek 9: 63 snaps, 6 targets, 4/79/0 receivingWeek 10: 61 snaps, 9 targets, 5/97/1 receivingWeek 11: 43 snaps, 4 targets, 1/8/0 receivingWeek 12: 74 snaps, 10 targets, 3/50/0 receivingWeek 13: 5 snaps, 2 targets, 1/22/1 receivingWeek 14: 6 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receivingWeek 15: 6 snaps, 1 target, 1/13/0 receivingWeek 16: 21 snaps, 4 targets, 2/34/0 receivingWeek 17: 5 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receivingApparently, you must be referring to weeks 9-12, since that was his best stretch. Even in that stretch, he only caught 13 of 29 targets.But note that Floyd missed those games. That is why Brown's snap count went up so dramatically during that stretch. And the team was so impressed by Brown's performance that when Floyd returned, they immediately dropped Brown back to minimal snaps and gave him just 7 targets over the final 5 games.

Guess I'm not surprised that Brown lost ground to Floyd last year when Floyd came back from injury. He was a rookie afterall. Fast forward to this year, and the Chargers bring in Meachem and Royal and everyone assumes it's because they don't believe in Brown. Yet every report that I heard from training camp was that Brown was clearly the best WR the Chargers had. There were even reports about how disappointed his teammates were when he went down to injury, because they knew what he meant to the team. That coincides with the reports that the Chargers were planning to "feature" him in the passing game. You've been steadfastly against Brown for some time now. I'm not really sure why.

Even funnier. All conjecture vs JWB actually backing his side with facts.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Remember that string of games Brown had last year toward the end of his rookie year. He was lighting it up with some dazzling plays. He has the look of a #1 WR, and plays with good hops, catch radius, and body control as well as good hands. (at least from what games I saw).

What string of games are you talking about? Here is his game log from last season:Week 3: 15 snaps, 1 target, 0/0/0 receivingWeek 4: 22 snaps, 2 targets, 2/26/0 receivingWeek 5: 4 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receivingWeek 7: 6 snaps, 1 target, 0/0/0 receivingWeek 8: 9 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receivingWeek 9: 63 snaps, 6 targets, 4/79/0 receivingWeek 10: 61 snaps, 9 targets, 5/97/1 receivingWeek 11: 43 snaps, 4 targets, 1/8/0 receivingWeek 12: 74 snaps, 10 targets, 3/50/0 receivingWeek 13: 5 snaps, 2 targets, 1/22/1 receivingWeek 14: 6 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receivingWeek 15: 6 snaps, 1 target, 1/13/0 receivingWeek 16: 21 snaps, 4 targets, 2/34/0 receivingWeek 17: 5 snaps, 0 targets, 0/0/0 receivingApparently, you must be referring to weeks 9-12, since that was his best stretch. Even in that stretch, he only caught 13 of 29 targets.But note that Floyd missed those games. That is why Brown's snap count went up so dramatically during that stretch. And the team was so impressed by Brown's performance that when Floyd returned, they immediately dropped Brown back to minimal snaps and gave him just 7 targets over the final 5 games.

Guess I'm not surprised that Brown lost ground to Floyd last year when Floyd came back from injury. He was a rookie afterall. Fast forward to this year, and the Chargers bring in Meachem and Royal and everyone assumes it's because they don't believe in Brown. Yet every report that I heard from training camp was that Brown was clearly the best WR the Chargers had. There were even reports about how disappointed his teammates were when he went down to injury, because they knew what he meant to the team. That coincides with the reports that the Chargers were planning to "feature" him in the passing game. You've been steadfastly against Brown for some time now. I'm not really sure why.

Even funnier. All conjecture vs JWB actually backing his side with facts.

Why don't you go look up some rookie stats rather than come here to post your trash. Take a look at the rookie game logs for Victor Cruz, Eric Decker, Jordy Nelson, Miles Austin, Wes Welker, Steve Smith, Malcolm Floyd, Brandon Lloyd, Antonio Brown, Danny Amendola and Stevie Johnson. Not one of those players was a first round draft choice. Not one of those players had a resume after their rookie year that looked any better than Vincent Brown. Yet every one of them made Rotoworlds top 25 starts at WR this week. That is 11/25. How about those facts.There is a wide open window for somebody to grab the #1 WR job in SD. Brown's obstacles are currently Meachem and Floyd. I am not on SD's medical staff. I have no idea how ready he will be to play. I also am not able to watch SD's training camp practices. All I have to go in is the reports that surfaced from tc. Now I guess If somebody here is privy to better info than I, we'll than I'm interested in hearing about it. Otherwise I'll just roll the dice on this WW pickup.