Vincent Jackson vs NYJ (1 Viewer)

[NickyHatton]

With Jackson still slightly gimpy after missing practice on Monday following the bye, anybody thinking about benching him this week vs the Jets? Even if Revis doesnt match up with him all game, you figure the Chargers will look to run the ball a little more this week as the Jets run D has looked more vulnerable the last few weeks.

I'm thinking of benching him for Harvin now that Ponder has been inserted into the lineup

 

[TheFootballJesus]

I'm all for benching VJax but I'm not so sure I'd bench him for Harvin.

 

[Sweet Love]

In PPR, I would actually go Harvin in this case. You have the normal Revis issues to deal with, plus Cromartie knows this offense and QB/WR tendencies...I'd punt on starting V-Jax if I had the depth.

 

[solorca]

I have to start him because of bye week issues (I only have 4 wr's not on bye, and all 4 need to start), but if I didn't, I would strongly consider benching him while starting Harvin, Moss, and Greg Little.

With that said, top receivers haven't been putting up terrible fantasy numbers against the Jets like they have in recent years. Marshall had solid PPR numbers, and both Dallas receivers had good numbers in week.

 

[jurb26]

No, there is no way I bench Jackson.

 

[The_Fonz]

can't bench him due to bye week issues....but i am concerned. And kicking myself for dumping harvin

 

[emge]

I wouldn't bench him, Revis might be the best, but Marshall still got 17+ pts in PPR this Monday night, even though Revis was on him the whole night, yeah Marshall could have had 30+ pts otherwise but I'll still take 17 anyday.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

I wouldn't bench him, Revis might be the best, but Marshall still got 17+ pts in PPR this Monday night, even though Revis was on him the whole night, yeah Marshall could have had 30+ pts otherwise but I'll still take 17 anyday.

Not disagreeing with this, but to be fair, Marshall's biggest play (46 yard catch in 1Q) was against Cromartie, not Revis

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

I wouldn't bench him, Revis might be the best, but Marshall still got 17+ pts in PPR this Monday night, even though Revis was on him the whole night, yeah Marshall could have had 30+ pts otherwise but I'll still take 17 anyday.

The 40ish yard play that Marshall should have had the long TD but ran out of bounds on Cromartie was in coverage.link to the replayhttp://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011101700/2011/REG6/dolphins@jets#menu=highlights%7CcontentId%3A09000d5d823397e5&tab=analyze&analyze=playbyplay

 

[TobiasFunke]

I wouldn't bench him, Revis might be the best, but Marshall still got 17+ pts in PPR this Monday night, even though Revis was on him the whole night, yeah Marshall could have had 30+ pts otherwise but I'll still take 17 anyday.

The 40ish yard play that Marshall should have had the long TD but ran out of bounds on Cromartie was in coverage.link to the replayhttp://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011101700/2011/REG6/dolphins@jets#menu=highlights%7CcontentId%3A09000d5d823397e5&tab=analyze&analyze=playbyplay

Well then doesn't that just tell us that Revis won't be matched up on the #1 WR every single down? It's good news for Jackson no matter how you look at it.

 

[haterade]

I trust rivers. Which is why i'm starting VJ.

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

I wouldn't bench him, Revis might be the best, but Marshall still got 17+ pts in PPR this Monday night, even though Revis was on him the whole night, yeah Marshall could have had 30+ pts otherwise but I'll still take 17 anyday.

The 40ish yard play that Marshall should have had the long TD but ran out of bounds on Cromartie was in coverage.link to the replayhttp://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011101700/2011/REG6/dolphins@jets#menu=highlights%7CcontentId%3A09000d5d823397e5&tab=analyze&analyze=playbyplay

Well then doesn't that just tell us that Revis won't be matched up on the #1 WR every single down? It's good news for Jackson no matter how you look at it.

Possibly. Just making a statement that a good portion of his points came while not covered by Revis. Who else does Miami really have to cover? NYJ got to dictate the coverage. SD has a few more weapons and a much better QB so I don't think the comparsion can be made that simply. If Gates plays they may have Revis on Jackson all day. If you have a better option I think you start him.I have to start 2 between Harvin, D Williams and VJax and and leaning towards Harvin and VJax. Just not really comfortable about it.

 

[Kit Fisto]

I wouldn't bench him, Revis might be the best, but Marshall still got 17+ pts in PPR this Monday night, even though Revis was on him the whole night, yeah Marshall could have had 30+ pts otherwise but I'll still take 17 anyday.

Welker did alright vs. NYJ as well.

 

[solorca]

Something tells me if they put Cromartie on Jackson for some plays, we could see a long touchdown. They practiced against each other in San Diego, and I'll trust the elite WR who knows the CB tendencies over the good CB that knows the WR tendencies.

 

[duaneok66]

I wouldn't bench him, Revis might be the best, but Marshall still got 17+ pts in PPR this Monday night, even though Revis was on him the whole night, yeah Marshall could have had 30+ pts otherwise but I'll still take 17 anyday.

The 40ish yard play that Marshall should have had the long TD but ran out of bounds on Cromartie was in coverage.link to the replayhttp://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011101700/2011/REG6/dolphins@jets#menu=highlights%7CcontentId%3A09000d5d823397e5&tab=analyze&analyze=playbyplay

Well then doesn't that just tell us that Revis won't be matched up on the #1 WR every single down? It's good news for Jackson no matter how you look at it.

this . . .you can't say to not start Jackson because of Revis and then say well Marshall wasn't covered by Revis on that one play . . .in the NFL, you are never matched up one on one with a WR all the time, or even 70 percent of the time . . .

 

[rizzler]

Sit Jackson now, cry later.

 

[Oscar]

What's Jackson's health status? Has he practiced yet this week?

Typically I would never think about sitting him against anybody. However, he's dealing with some health issues which are the only reason I am considering benching him.

 

[Flying Elvis]

Sit Jackson now, cry later.

It is looking like the Jets can't stop teams in any phase of the game. I'm glad that I don't have a better option than VJax to consider, since my other WRs are out this week. But I'm not liking any of the matchups for my starters w/VJax / Smith / Wallace.

 

[NickyHatton]

What's Jackson's health status? Has he practiced yet this week?Typically I would never think about sitting him against anybody. However, he's dealing with some health issues which are the only reason I am considering benching him.

missed practice monday, hopefully he participates today

 

[TobiasFunke]

I wouldn't bench him, Revis might be the best, but Marshall still got 17+ pts in PPR this Monday night, even though Revis was on him the whole night, yeah Marshall could have had 30+ pts otherwise but I'll still take 17 anyday.

The 40ish yard play that Marshall should have had the long TD but ran out of bounds on Cromartie was in coverage.link to the replay

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011101700/2011/REG6/dolphins@jets#menu=highlights%7CcontentId%3A09000d5d823397e5&tab=analyze&analyze=playbyplay

Well then doesn't that just tell us that Revis won't be matched up on the #1 WR every single down? It's good news for Jackson no matter how you look at it.

Possibly. Just making a statement that a good portion of his points came while not covered by Revis. Who else does Miami really have to cover? NYJ got to dictate the coverage. SD has a few more weapons and a much better QB so I don't think the comparsion can be made that simply. If Gates plays they may have Revis on Jackson all day. If you have a better option I think you start him.I have to start 2 between Harvin, D Williams and VJax and and leaning towards Harvin and VJax. Just not really comfortable about it.

I don't follow your logic at all. If a team has fewer options and NYJ gets to dictate the coverage wouldn't you expect Revis to spend more time on the primary option, not less? Am I missing something?

 

[dboysrock94]

In the second week of the playoffs, Revis and the Jets defeated the AFC's #2 seed San Diego Chargers, 17–14. Since the Chargers had a large variety of well acclaimed receivers, Revis was forced to cover most of them, yet San Diego quarterback Philip Rivers only threw the ball to a receiver covered by Revis three times during the entire game. Two of the three were tipped away by Revis for an incomplete pass, and the third was an interception........not to put a damper on vjax but rivers if also a smart enough qb he will not force the ball to vjax I think floyd will post a, much better stat line than vjax. The reason marshall posted decent stats was because moore, targeted him nearly every other pass he threw wether he was covered or not

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Yeah, Marshall and Moore demonstrated you can throw at Revis when you have a physical receiver and, although the guy wont dominate like he would against a human corner, can still put up respectable and even juicy fantasy numbers on Revis Island.

 

[CA_7]

Picked up Massaquoi and starting him in place of VJax. Massaquoi has had 10+ pts in 4 of his 5 games (ppr). Yea CLE wants to get Little the ball more but he is still a rookie and Seattle has a pass D in the bottom of the league (fantasy points wise)

 

[TobiasFunke]

In the second week of the playoffs, Revis and the Jets defeated the AFC's #2 seed San Diego Chargers, 17–14. Since the Chargers had a large variety of well acclaimed receivers, Revis was forced to cover most of them, yet San Diego quarterback Philip Rivers only threw the ball to a receiver covered by Revis three times during the entire game. Two of the three were tipped away by Revis for an incomplete pass, and the third was an interception........not to put a damper on vjax but rivers if also a smart enough qb he will not force the ball to vjax I think floyd will post a, much better stat line than vjax. The reason marshall posted decent stats was because moore, targeted him nearly every other pass he threw wether he was covered or not

I feel like I'm in a bizarro universe.Did you just use a previous game between the Jets and Chargers in which Revis, by your account, covered a variety of Chargers receivers, to argue that Jackson will have a bad game because Revis is going to cover him all game?

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

I wouldn't bench him, Revis might be the best, but Marshall still got 17+ pts in PPR this Monday night, even though Revis was on him the whole night, yeah Marshall could have had 30+ pts otherwise but I'll still take 17 anyday.

The 40ish yard play that Marshall should have had the long TD but ran out of bounds on Cromartie was in coverage.link to the replay

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011101700/2011/REG6/dolphins@jets#menu=highlights%7CcontentId%3A09000d5d823397e5&tab=analyze&analyze=playbyplay

Well then doesn't that just tell us that Revis won't be matched up on the #1 WR every single down? It's good news for Jackson no matter how you look at it.

Possibly. Just making a statement that a good portion of his points came while not covered by Revis. Who else does Miami really have to cover? NYJ got to dictate the coverage. SD has a few more weapons and a much better QB so I don't think the comparsion can be made that simply. If Gates plays they may have Revis on Jackson all day. If you have a better option I think you start him.I have to start 2 between Harvin, D Williams and VJax and and leaning towards Harvin and VJax. Just not really comfortable about it.

I don't follow your logic at all. If a team has fewer options and NYJ gets to dictate the coverage wouldn't you expect Revis to spend more time on the primary option, not less? Am I missing something?

I guess my thought is that there is more than one way to shut down one threat. If it is just Marshall with really no other threats to speak of then REvis can cover or they can put Cromartie on Marshall and then roll a safety on top.When you have Gates possibly in the mix then the idea of rolling a safety over the top is less appealing since you give Gates that much more room in the middle. Now you lock Revis up more and hope you take VJax away completely.

 

[PhantomJB]

I think Jackson's performance Week 5 (3/34/0) against Champ Bailey demonstrats he can be shut down by an elite corner. VJax may well have been hobbled by his injuries at the time, but Denver also is a much weaker secondary overall.

If Gates is still out, I'm sitting Jackson for P.Garcon. Gates' playing may alter things, however.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I think Jackson's performance Week 5 (3/34/0) against Champ Bailey demonstrats he can be shut down by an elite corner. VJax may well have been hobbled by his injuries at the time, but Denver also is a much weaker secondary overall.If Gates is still out, I'm sitting Jackson for P.Garcon. Gates' playing may alter things, however.

And his 2009 Week 7 performance against Asomugha (8/103/1) demonstrates that he can light up an elite corner, too.Seems like a lot of people are rushing to judgment based on a one or two game sample or a perceived understanding of how the Jets are going to play defense against the Chargers.For me the bottom line is that Jackson is really good, but so is the Jets' pass defense, so maybe I downgrade him a little based on that. If I've got another "really good" option I start that guy, if not I stick with Jackson. Anything else seems like paralysis by analysis.

 

[scott72]

I'm sick of this Revis crap every week. Bottom line is if he's a stud WR, start his butt..

 

[red]

I'm sick of this Revis crap every week. Bottom line is if he's a stud WR, start his butt..

marshall showed that a physical WR can put up points vs. revis. could've been more too if marshall wasn't such a ####rivers may avoid revis, but i suspect SD will try to get some matchups where vjax is not covered by him too.

 

[jurb26]

I'm sick of this Revis crap every week. Bottom line is if he's a stud WR, start his butt..

...and Revis is a PI machine that never seems to get called.

 

[packersfan]

Not to hijack the thread but if Gates plays, Floyd could be a real good sleeper. You'd think Revis and Cromartie would spend a lot of time on VJax and Gates.

On topic, it'd be tough for me to sit VJax unless I had another top WR to start over him. If Gates sits, I'd be more inclined to sit VJax if I had such an option. If Gates plays, I'd start VJax no matter what.

 

[Otis]

Revis struggles with the big, physical receivers. Start him with confidence.

 

[solorca]

Jackson was back to practice today, so look's like he should be good to go. Reports say he was running well with no signs of a setback. Gates is practicing too.

 

[The_Fonz]

Not to hijack the thread but if Gates plays, Floyd could be a real good sleeper. You'd think Revis and Cromartie would spend a lot of time on VJax and Gates.On topic, it'd be tough for me to sit VJax unless I had another top WR to start over him. If Gates sits, I'd be more inclined to sit VJax if I had such an option. If Gates plays, I'd start VJax no matter what.

I always feel like if Gates is out VJax has abetter chance of posting big numbers. Gates is the primary red zone target....with him out those go to VJax. I doubt they will put revis on Gates. I do also feel that Floyd is a great option this week.

 

[jp81976]

Revis struggles with the big, physical receivers. Start him with confidence.

2 picks...one returned for a touchdown.oh ok

 

[solorca]

Revis struggles with the big, physical receivers. Start him with confidence.

2 picks...one returned for a touchdown.oh ok

Marshall still put up a hundred yards receiving. Real football and fantasy football are completely different...I don't care if Rivers throws 10 balls to Revis and half are picks, as long as the other half account for 100 yards for VJax.

 

[scott72]

Revis struggles with the big, physical receivers. Start him with confidence.

2 picks...one returned for a touchdown.oh ok

Seriously? He raped Marshall on that play..Pick 6 my ***..

 

[THE SNOWMAN]

Isn't this a "always play your studs" situation?

 

[duaneok66]

anyone that watched the game would tell you that the performance by Revis was anything BUT shutdown . . .

 

[packersfan]

anyone that watched the game would tell you that the performance by Revis was anything BUT shutdown . . .

I agree. I'm a huge Revis fan but I thought Marshall fared very well Monday night, certainly a lot better than most WRs do against Revis.

 

[mquinnjr]

Yeah, Marshall and Moore demonstrated you can throw at Revis when you have a physical receiver and, although the guy wont dominate like he would against a human corner, can still put up respectable and even juicy fantasy numbers on Revis Island.

Dez looked like a man against boys vs. Revis on MNF as well. Starting VJax with confidence, and a WR corps on bye week.

 

[jp81976]

ok, like someone else pointed out, the one big play he made was actually while AC was covering him, not Revis. But yes, Marshall did quite well overall...I own Marshall, so believe me I was rooting for him.

TO get back to the original poster's point though...you still play your studs no matter what. that's why they're your studs. they find a way to help you more often than not.

I also tend to think you should be used to VJAX disappearing from time to time...that's the kind of player he is...he's not Jennings who will somehow always get that 5 catches for 80 yards even if he doesn't score. he's only had 1 real big game this year in week 2, and he caught a TD vs Miami but other than that he's been pretty quiet this year.

 

[duaneok66]

ok, like someone else pointed out, the one big play he made was actually while AC was covering him, not Revis. But yes, Marshall did quite well overall...I own Marshall, so believe me I was rooting for him.TO get back to the original poster's point though...you still play your studs no matter what. that's why they're your studs. they find a way to help you more often than not.I also tend to think you should be used to VJAX disappearing from time to time...that's the kind of player he is...he's not Jennings who will somehow always get that 5 catches for 80 yards even if he doesn't score. he's only had 1 real big game this year in week 2, and he caught a TD vs Miami but other than that he's been pretty quiet this year.

good post but can you (or someone else) go behind the numbers andexplain why he disappears sometimes? Why isnt he a more consistent receiver??

 

[bonesman]

ok, like someone else pointed out, the one big play he made was actually while AC was covering him, not Revis. But yes, Marshall did quite well overall...I own Marshall, so believe me I was rooting for him.TO get back to the original poster's point though...you still play your studs no matter what. that's why they're your studs. they find a way to help you more often than not.I also tend to think you should be used to VJAX disappearing from time to time...that's the kind of player he is...he's not Jennings who will somehow always get that 5 catches for 80 yards even if he doesn't score. he's only had 1 real big game this year in week 2, and he caught a TD vs Miami but other than that he's been pretty quiet this year.

good post but can you (or someone else) go behind the numbers andexplain why he disappears sometimes? Why isnt he a more consistent receiver??

No ###s to back it up but I would say that he's too dependent on the big play (ala Desean Jackson)

 

[Kilgore]

Is Jackson even going to PLAY on Sunday? I Hope he does, because I want to start Malcom Floyd. Floyd could never hang with Revis, though if he had to be the #1...

 

[solorca]

Is Jackson even going to PLAY on Sunday? I Hope he does, because I want to start Malcom Floyd. Floyd could never hang with Revis, though if he had to be the #1...

He practiced today, so I can't see any reason for him to miss.

 

[dboysrock94]

3 catches 48 yards the line I could see with floyd, mathews, and gates all likely to play rivers will not be forced to throw to vjax

 

[jp81976]

ok, like someone else pointed out, the one big play he made was actually while AC was covering him, not Revis. But yes, Marshall did quite well overall...I own Marshall, so believe me I was rooting for him.TO get back to the original poster's point though...you still play your studs no matter what. that's why they're your studs. they find a way to help you more often than not.I also tend to think you should be used to VJAX disappearing from time to time...that's the kind of player he is...he's not Jennings who will somehow always get that 5 catches for 80 yards even if he doesn't score. he's only had 1 real big game this year in week 2, and he caught a TD vs Miami but other than that he's been pretty quiet this year.

good post but can you (or someone else) go behind the numbers andexplain why he disappears sometimes? Why isnt he a more consistent receiver??

No ###s to back it up but I would say that he's too dependent on the big play (ala Desean Jackson)

Here's the numbers:Wk 1 vs Min: 2 for 31Wk 2 vs NE: 10 for 172 and 2 TDWk 3 vs KC: 5 for 63Wk 4 vs MIA: 3 for 108 and a TDWk 5 vs DEN: 3 for 34I don't think it's any mystery why he disappears...I've always seen him as a boom or bust guy. He'll win some games for you but he'll throw in those 2 for 31 days too. I don't believe it was Champ locking him up. Who locked him up in Minnesota? KC? New England could barely stop anyone in the beginning of the year so hat game is almost an aberration anyway.

 

[solorca]

I like Jackson, but I'll admit that I regret picking him as my number one receiver this season. If I thought I could get good value in a trade, I probably would make the deal...but for now, I think it's best to just live and die with him and hope you get the big game.

 

[njherdfan]

anyone that watched the game would tell you that the performance by Revis was anything BUT shutdown . . .

He was thrown at 14 times. There were 5 completions and 9 incompletions, 2 of which were intercepted. I think holding a QB to a 37% completion percentage and a QB rating of what I assume must be near zero when he throws at you is pretty good.