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Vinny Testaverde (1 Viewer)
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MCguidance
Footballguy
You're kidding right?
No just curious. I'm not saying I would put him in the HOF. Just that him playing well at 44 is pretty damn impressive.
MCguidance
Footballguy
No youre right, its def impressive, but its not going to put him within arms length of the HOF, IMO.
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
No chance. Vinny did have arguably the worst full season of any QB in history with the Bucs in 1988.
222/466 (47.6% completions)
13 TD passes
35 INT
222/466 (47.6% completions)
13 TD passes
35 INT
PantherPower
Footballguy
He will be after he leads the Panthers to a SB this year. 
And over the past 20 years he has gotten better. It's just nuts that he is 44 and still fairly effective.
moleculo
Footballguy
coaches just have to be retired, I think...
MarshallRob
Footballguy
It's five years for players. Coaches are eligible as soon as they retire so Parcells has been eligible off and on for several years. Because the Tuna keeps coming back I think there's a reluctance to vote for him until the voters know for sure he's through with coaching.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Geritol of Fame, yes. Hall of Fame, no.
moleculo
Footballguy
right. I think voters would hate to have another Gibbs situation, where a HOF coach gets back in, and doesn't deliver the HOF goods.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Where did this rant come from?Turn the tool factor down several notches here, guy.
Wow you are a pleasant little tool aren't you.He's the oldest QB to ever win a game. He's played QB for 20 years, I don't even think he should be in the HOF. Just that he looked better than a lot of other QBs this past week at 44 years old.Is being average for 20 years better than being great for a couple?
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CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
this list of names from the '87 first round puts Vinny's accomplishment somewhat in perspective.
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Pick # ↓ NFL Team ↓ Player ↓ Position ↓ College ↓1 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Vinny Testaverde Quarterback Miami (FL)2 Indianapolis Colts Cornelius Bennett Outside Linebacker University of Alabama3 Houston Oilers Alonzo Highsmith Running Back Miami (FL)4 Green Bay Packers Brent Fullwood Running Back Auburn University5 Cleveland Browns Mike Junkin Inside Linebacker Duke University6 St. Louis Cardinals Kelly Stouffer Quarterback Colorado State University7 Detroit Lions Reggie Rogers Defensive End University of Washington8 Buffalo Bills Shane Conlan Middle Linebacker Penn State9 Philadelphia Eagles Jerome Brown Defensive Tackle University of Miami10 Pittsburgh Steelers Rod Woodson Cornerback Purdue University11 New Orleans Saints Shawn Knight Nose Tackle BYU12 Dallas Cowboys Danny Noonan Defensive Tackle University of Nebraska13 Atlanta Falcons Chris Miller Quarterback University of Oregon14 Minnesota Vikings D.J. Dozier Running Back Penn State15 Los Angeles Raiders John Clay Offensive Tackle University of Missouri16 Miami Dolphins John Bosa Defensive End Boston College17 Cincinnati Bengals Jason Buck Defensive End BYU18 Seattle Seahawks Tony Woods Defensive End University of Pittsburgh19 Kansas City Chiefs Paul Palmer Running Back Temple University20 Houston Oilers Haywood Jeffires Wide Receiver North Carolina State University21 New York Jets Roger Vick Running Back Texas A&M22 San Francisco 49ers Harris Barton Offensive Tackle North Carolina23 New England Patriots Bruce Armstrong Offensive Tackle University of Louisville24 San Diego Chargers Rod Bernstine Running Back Texas A&M25 San Francisco 49ers Terrence Flagler Running Back Clemson University26 Chicago Bears Jim Harbaugh Quarterback University of Michigan27 Denver Broncos Ricky Nattiel Wide Receiver University of Florida28 New York Giants Mark Ingram Wide Receiver Michigan State University
Kub
Footballguy
You're right, it does put things into perspective. He wasn't even the best player from his draft class. That distinction goes to Rod Woodson. You could make a solid case for Cornelius Bennett having a better career than Vinny. Jerome Brown was a great player who unfortunately died at a very young age. His death, along with the hiring of Rich Kotite, was why the early 90s Eagles never emerged as a great team.
WOW! Who are you Steve DeBerg?I actually think that if, as you suggested, Vinnie won 3 SB's from here on out he would not only be a lock for the HOF but he would go down as some kind of legendary Roy Hobbs-like figure. And I guess that would REALLY make you upset, huh?badmofo said:
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NYCGangGreen
Footballguy
He single handedly forced the NFL to reinstate the need for play reviews, if that's not H of F worthy, then what is? 
On a side note, does Seattle still have a bitter taste in their mouth from that blown call or have you moved past it??
On a side note, does Seattle still have a bitter taste in their mouth from that blown call or have you moved past it??
Da Good Da Bad an Da Ugly
Footballguy
Why is Monk not in yet? Can somebody explain this to me like I',m Shuke please?Kub said:
Redman, and Fatness can probably give you a better account of it. But Peter King plays a pretty big part of it campaigning against him to make it.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
16 seasonsonly 5 with 1000+ yardscareer high in TDs was 8only 7 with 60+ receptionsAn average year for his was:795 yards4 TDs58 catchesTo give you a comparison here are the averages for Louis Lipps who played from 84-91:8 seasonsaverage of 752 yards, 5 TDs, 45 rec.And btw, this is including Lipps' 1987 season in which he only played 4 games. Does Louis Lipps deserve to be in the HOF too?Edited: I skewed the stats a bit by including Monk's final year, which looking bakc I shouldn't have done since he only played 3 games...sorry for that. Nevertheless I think my point stands.
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Reaper
Footballguy
It's always been my opinion that if Vinny went to the right team right out of the box he would have had a great chance to be a HOF caliber player...
With what he dealt with most of his career there's no chance.
Edit to add.... The majority of posters here probably never got to see Vinny in his TB years.... Heck, I talk to posters here who never saw Marino in his hey day.... Much different perspectives - I see a great lack of respect for Marino around here from people who don't have a feel for what the league was like back then - and I've been a life long Marino hating Jet fan that ironically turned into a defender to people who base these guys on stats alone..... :OLD:
With what he dealt with most of his career there's no chance.
Edit to add.... The majority of posters here probably never got to see Vinny in his TB years.... Heck, I talk to posters here who never saw Marino in his hey day.... Much different perspectives - I see a great lack of respect for Marino around here from people who don't have a feel for what the league was like back then - and I've been a life long Marino hating Jet fan that ironically turned into a defender to people who base these guys on stats alone..... :OLD:
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Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
Is there such a thing as a "herm edwards loving jet fan"? I mean, other than loving the fact that he's gone and they got a 4th rounder in the process.badmofo said:
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
What are the criteria for getting into the HOF?
How good do you have to be?
For how long?
Vinny Testaverde was average for a looooonnnnnngggggggg time. When looking just at his cumulative numbers he would get in. When taking into account the amount of years he's taken to compile these numbers I doubt he's in. But that really gets to my questions. How good do you have to be and for how long?
Guys like Kurt Warner, Priest Holmes, Tiki Barber and Terrell Davis put together short stretches of pretty dominating seasons. But is it enough to get them in? I don't know.
What about a guys like Ricky Watters and Jerome Bettis who weren't dominating, but were really good for a longer period? Is that enough to get them in? Again I don't know.
How good do you have to be?
For how long?
Vinny Testaverde was average for a looooonnnnnngggggggg time. When looking just at his cumulative numbers he would get in. When taking into account the amount of years he's taken to compile these numbers I doubt he's in. But that really gets to my questions. How good do you have to be and for how long?
Guys like Kurt Warner, Priest Holmes, Tiki Barber and Terrell Davis put together short stretches of pretty dominating seasons. But is it enough to get them in? I don't know.
What about a guys like Ricky Watters and Jerome Bettis who weren't dominating, but were really good for a longer period? Is that enough to get them in? Again I don't know.
dino259
Footballguy
1 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Vinny Testaverde Quarterback Miami (FL)
2 Indianapolis Colts Cornelius Bennett Outside Linebacker University of Alabama
3 Houston Oilers Alonzo Highsmith Running Back Miami (FL)
4 Green Bay Packers Brent Fullwood Running Back Auburn University
5 Cleveland Browns Mike Junkin Inside Linebacker Duke University
6 St. Louis Cardinals Kelly Stouffer Quarterback Colorado State University
7 Detroit Lions Reggie Rogers Defensive End University of Washington
8 Buffalo Bills Shane Conlan Middle Linebacker Penn State
9 Philadelphia Eagles Jerome Brown Defensive Tackle University of Miami
10 Pittsburgh Steelers Rod Woodson Cornerback Purdue University
11 New Orleans Saints Shawn Knight Nose Tackle BYU
12 Dallas Cowboys Danny Noonan Defensive Tackle University of Nebraska
#4 still beloved in wisconsin
#12 Must have really bulked up after that match with Ty Webb and Judge Smails
No way is it even close for testaverde to get in unless he buys a ticket just like I would have to.
2 Indianapolis Colts Cornelius Bennett Outside Linebacker University of Alabama
3 Houston Oilers Alonzo Highsmith Running Back Miami (FL)
4 Green Bay Packers Brent Fullwood Running Back Auburn University
5 Cleveland Browns Mike Junkin Inside Linebacker Duke University
6 St. Louis Cardinals Kelly Stouffer Quarterback Colorado State University
7 Detroit Lions Reggie Rogers Defensive End University of Washington
8 Buffalo Bills Shane Conlan Middle Linebacker Penn State
9 Philadelphia Eagles Jerome Brown Defensive Tackle University of Miami
10 Pittsburgh Steelers Rod Woodson Cornerback Purdue University
11 New Orleans Saints Shawn Knight Nose Tackle BYU
12 Dallas Cowboys Danny Noonan Defensive Tackle University of Nebraska
#4 still beloved in wisconsin
#12 Must have really bulked up after that match with Ty Webb and Judge Smails
No way is it even close for testaverde to get in unless he buys a ticket just like I would have to.
Tau837
Footballguy
IMO there are many factors to consider, including in no particular order:Career numbersPeak performanceSustained high level performanceContribution to winningAwards/honorsClass/reputationLeadershipRelative comparison to peers at same positionEach voter may have his own criteria for exactly how to judge peak or sustained performance (like how high does the performance need to be, and for how long). I wouldn't judge any of the players you named other than Bettis as sufficiently meeting these criteria, and even Bettis is controversial, as I know many would disagree with me about him.ETA: Oh yeah, and Vinny has absolutely zero chance of making it. This has been discussed on this board in the past, and winning one more, or even a few more games, doesn't change the result.
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KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
For the love of God, no.
It was nice of him to leave his death bed at the retirement home and win that game for the Cats last weekend, but cmon.
My HOF criteria:
Make a list of all the QBs (or whatever position) that have played the last 10-15 years or so. Now pick out about 2-4 that, if you could get them to suit up and play for your team in their prime for the Super Bowl, you'd have them starting. Vinny Testaverde is probably about 50th or 60th on his respective list.
I think Manning and Brady certainly qualify for most recent QBs.
It was nice of him to leave his death bed at the retirement home and win that game for the Cats last weekend, but cmon.
My HOF criteria:
Make a list of all the QBs (or whatever position) that have played the last 10-15 years or so. Now pick out about 2-4 that, if you could get them to suit up and play for your team in their prime for the Super Bowl, you'd have them starting. Vinny Testaverde is probably about 50th or 60th on his respective list.
I think Manning and Brady certainly qualify for most recent QBs.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
Yes, absolutely. What's more, since he played for New England, he should be buried in Arlington National Cemetary when he passes on. He was a Patriot, after all.thayman said:
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