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[Da Guru]

I keep seeing more articles like this one.

There is alot of "Broscience" out there right now. I used to be a huge vitamin consumer but now have backed off. Only doing Krill oil as of late.

 

[Dragons]

I keep seeing more articles like this one.

There is alot of "Broscience" out there right now. I used to be a huge vitamin consumer but now have backed off. Only doing Krill oil as of late.

Someone help me with these numbers:

A team of French researchers, led by experts at Nancy University, tracked 8,112 volunteers who took either a placebo capsule, or one containing vitamin C, vitamin E, beta-carotene, selenium and zinc, every day for just over six years.They assessed the state of their health at the beginning and end of the trial, taking a quality of life survey designed to measure everything from mobility and pain to vitality and mental health.When researchers analysed how many in each group had gone on to develop serious illnesses over the years, they found little difference.In the supplement group, 30.5 per cent of patients had suffered a major health ‘event’, such as cancer or heart disease. In the placebo group, the rate was 30.4 per cent.There were 120 cases of cancer in those taking vitamins, compared to 139 in the placebo group, and 65 heart disease cases, against 57 among the dummy pill users.

30% developing cancer or heart disease seems WAY high in a 6 year study.But 120+65/~4000 and 139+57/~4000 does not equal 30%.

 

[Warrior]

I keep seeing more articles like this one.

There is alot of "Broscience" out there right now. I used to be a huge vitamin consumer but now have backed off. Only doing Krill oil as of late.

Someone help me with these numbers:

A team of French researchers, led by experts at Nancy University, tracked 8,112 volunteers who took either a placebo capsule, or one containing vitamin C, vitamin E, beta-carotene, selenium and zinc, every day for just over six years.They assessed the state of their health at the beginning and end of the trial, taking a quality of life survey designed to measure everything from mobility and pain to vitality and mental health.When researchers analysed how many in each group had gone on to develop serious illnesses over the years, they found little difference.In the supplement group, 30.5 per cent of patients had suffered a major health ‘event’, such as cancer or heart disease. In the placebo group, the rate was 30.4 per cent.There were 120 cases of cancer in those taking vitamins, compared to 139 in the placebo group, and 65 heart disease cases, against 57 among the dummy pill users.

30% developing cancer or heart disease seems WAY high in a 6 year study.But 120+65/~4000 and 139+57/~4000 does not equal 30%.

Read much?Where does it say 30% developed cancer or heart disease?There could be 20 'major health events' on the list, cancer and heart disease are just two of them. They even broke out the cancer numbers to show you it was a small %.

 

[Pick]

No question there can be issues if you take too much of certain vitamins.

 

[Keerock]

I have a banana (Potassium and B6) and apple (liver help) for breakfast. Don't really have a lunch but throughout the morning and early afternoon will eat/drink a V8 splash and V8 juice, carrots (baby) for Vit A, turkey slices (B6), cheese stick (calcium, B12, D), trail mix (almonds, walnuts, chocolate chips, craisins, raisins). At night I make sure to have a glass of milk (skim). After that I try to work in some wheat bread, lemon/lime, garlic, and olive oil (a lot of that is liver/anti-oxidant help). That last list is hard to get done sometimes.But I've found if I do that I get almost every vitamin and nutrient I need. And I'm not including the crap that sometimes gets mixed in there.But that doesn't cover everything. There are some greens there that are helpful and then some vitamin supplements just to make sure I'm covered. Currently I am trying the Animal Pak but I've researched others that are good.I think most folks need to start here or wherever you feel you can trust. Find out what amount you need. Look at the DV charts and find some foods you like and roll with those. Then on the foods you don't like maybe supplement with vitamins.

What a boring friggin' diet. I'll gladly forfeit a few years to be able to eat tasty food.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I keep seeing more articles like this one.

Spokeswoman Dr Carrie Ruxton said: ‘The role of vitamin supplements is to prevent deficiencies and make sure people are receiving their recommended levels.‘They won’t have a measurable impact on how you feel on a day-to-day basis but what they are doing is topping up your recommended levels to the right amount. They are not meant to be a magic bullet.’

okisn't that pretty much why you'd take a multi in the first place?what's the insight I'm supposed to be getting?also, I'd like to know if the multis they used were pills, chewable, powder, liquid, etc.and do you think brand makes a difference?and I read this article quite a while ago, but I don't remember any mention of their diets.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I keep seeing more articles like this one.

There is alot of "Broscience" out there right now. I used to be a huge vitamin consumer but now have backed off. Only doing Krill oil as of late.

Someone help me with these numbers:

A team of French researchers, led by experts at Nancy University, tracked 8,112 volunteers who took either a placebo capsule, or one containing vitamin C, vitamin E, beta-carotene, selenium and zinc, every day for just over six years.They assessed the state of their health at the beginning and end of the trial, taking a quality of life survey designed to measure everything from mobility and pain to vitality and mental health.When researchers analysed how many in each group had gone on to develop serious illnesses over the years, they found little difference.In the supplement group, 30.5 per cent of patients had suffered a major health ‘event’, such as cancer or heart disease. In the placebo group, the rate was 30.4 per cent.There were 120 cases of cancer in those taking vitamins, compared to 139 in the placebo group, and 65 heart disease cases, against 57 among the dummy pill users.

30% developing cancer or heart disease seems WAY high in a 6 year study.But 120+65/~4000 and 139+57/~4000 does not equal 30%.

yeah, like he said, you need help with the reading, not the math

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I keep seeing more articles like this one.

Spokeswoman Dr Carrie Ruxton said: ‘The role of vitamin supplements is to prevent deficiencies and make sure people are receiving their recommended levels.‘They won’t have a measurable impact on how you feel on a day-to-day basis but what they are doing is topping up your recommended levels to the right amount. They are not meant to be a magic bullet.’

okisn't that pretty much why you'd take a multi in the first place?what's the insight I'm supposed to be getting?also, I'd like to know if the multis they used were pills, chewable, powder, liquid, etc.and do you think brand makes a difference?and I read this article quite a while ago, but I don't remember any mention of their diets.

The quote from the supplement industry spokesperson wasn't the newsworthy part of that article. The results from the six-year, 8,000-person trial was.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I keep seeing more articles like this one.

Spokeswoman Dr Carrie Ruxton said: ‘The role of vitamin supplements is to prevent deficiencies and make sure people are receiving their recommended levels.‘They won’t have a measurable impact on how you feel on a day-to-day basis but what they are doing is topping up your recommended levels to the right amount. They are not meant to be a magic bullet.’

okisn't that pretty much why you'd take a multi in the first place?what's the insight I'm supposed to be getting?also, I'd like to know if the multis they used were pills, chewable, powder, liquid, etc.and do you think brand makes a difference?and I read this article quite a while ago, but I don't remember any mention of their diets.

The quote from the supplement industry spokesperson wasn't the newsworthy part of that article. The results from the six-year, 8,000-person trial was.

ok, I'll throw out the conclusiondude, you're killin' me.I realize you're trying to work some kind of angle opposite to the conclusion of the very article you posted, but without knowing the form of the multi and their diets even the stats are worthless.

 

[Dragons]

I keep seeing more articles like this one.

There is alot of "Broscience" out there right now. I used to be a huge vitamin consumer but now have backed off. Only doing Krill oil as of late.

Someone help me with these numbers:

A team of French researchers, led by experts at Nancy University, tracked 8,112 volunteers who took either a placebo capsule, or one containing vitamin C, vitamin E, beta-carotene, selenium and zinc, every day for just over six years.They assessed the state of their health at the beginning and end of the trial, taking a quality of life survey designed to measure everything from mobility and pain to vitality and mental health.When researchers analysed how many in each group had gone on to develop serious illnesses over the years, they found little difference.In the supplement group, 30.5 per cent of patients had suffered a major health ‘event’, such as cancer or heart disease. In the placebo group, the rate was 30.4 per cent.There were 120 cases of cancer in those taking vitamins, compared to 139 in the placebo group, and 65 heart disease cases, against 57 among the dummy pill users.

30% developing cancer or heart disease seems WAY high in a 6 year study.But 120+65/~4000 and 139+57/~4000 does not equal 30%.

Read much?Where does it say 30% developed cancer or heart disease?There could be 20 'major health events' on the list, cancer and heart disease are just two of them. They even broke out the cancer numbers to show you it was a small %.

Thanks for clearing that up. And being a #### about it.

 

[Dragons]

I keep seeing more articles like this one.

Spokeswoman Dr Carrie Ruxton said: ‘The role of vitamin supplements is to prevent deficiencies and make sure people are receiving their recommended levels.‘They won’t have a measurable impact on how you feel on a day-to-day basis but what they are doing is topping up your recommended levels to the right amount. They are not meant to be a magic bullet.’

okisn't that pretty much why you'd take a multi in the first place?what's the insight I'm supposed to be getting?also, I'd like to know if the multis they used were pills, chewable, powder, liquid, etc.and do you think brand makes a difference?and I read this article quite a while ago, but I don't remember any mention of their diets.

I keep seeing more articles like this one.

There is alot of "Broscience" out there right now. I used to be a huge vitamin consumer but now have backed off. Only doing Krill oil as of late.

Someone help me with these numbers:

A team of French researchers, led by experts at Nancy University, tracked 8,112 volunteers who took either a placebo capsule, or one containing vitamin C, vitamin E, beta-carotene, selenium and zinc, every day for just over six years.They assessed the state of their health at the beginning and end of the trial, taking a quality of life survey designed to measure everything from mobility and pain to vitality and mental health.When researchers analysed how many in each group had gone on to develop serious illnesses over the years, they found little difference.In the supplement group, 30.5 per cent of patients had suffered a major health ‘event’, such as cancer or heart disease. In the placebo group, the rate was 30.4 per cent.There were 120 cases of cancer in those taking vitamins, compared to 139 in the placebo group, and 65 heart disease cases, against 57 among the dummy pill users.

30% developing cancer or heart disease seems WAY high in a 6 year study.But 120+65/~4000 and 139+57/~4000 does not equal 30%.

yeah, like he said, you need help with the reading, not the math

These two comments in succession: Work on your own reading comprehension.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

sry for cyberbullying you

 

[Pick]

I have a banana (Potassium and B6) and apple (liver help) for breakfast. Don't really have a lunch but throughout the morning and early afternoon will eat/drink a V8 splash and V8 juice, carrots (baby) for Vit A, turkey slices (B6), cheese stick (calcium, B12, D), trail mix (almonds, walnuts, chocolate chips, craisins, raisins). At night I make sure to have a glass of milk (skim). After that I try to work in some wheat bread, lemon/lime, garlic, and olive oil (a lot of that is liver/anti-oxidant help). That last list is hard to get done sometimes.But I've found if I do that I get almost every vitamin and nutrient I need. And I'm not including the crap that sometimes gets mixed in there.But that doesn't cover everything. There are some greens there that are helpful and then some vitamin supplements just to make sure I'm covered. Currently I am trying the Animal Pak but I've researched others that are good.I think most folks need to start here or wherever you feel you can trust. Find out what amount you need. Look at the DV charts and find some foods you like and roll with those. Then on the foods you don't like maybe supplement with vitamins.

What a boring friggin' diet. I'll gladly forfeit a few years to be able to eat tasty food.

That's a great point. And to be fair, while I eat that stuff I also eat other stuff and that's what gets me in trouble. But a lot of it is your mindset. Is eating an event for you or just something you have to do? I think if you can have the mindset on most meals that it is more of a chore that is good. And of course you have meals where you enjoy yourself.But there are plenty of good cooks out there that can make any food taste good. I just don't have the time/skills for that.To each their own.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

"Case closed," say scientists. "No health benefits."

 

[Warrior]

"Case closed," say scientists. "No health benefits."

Another worthless article taking swings at straw men. I'm pretty sure most people don't take multivitamins to protect against heat attacks and dementia

 

[Short Corner]

"Case closed," say scientists. "No health benefits."

One expert agreed some nutrient-deficient people may still benefit from multivitamins.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Video summarizing recent research.

 

[John Bender]

I take potassium because of an extreme low carbohydrate diet. I seem to notice a difference when it comes to muscle cramps. Just a placebo?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I take potassium because of an extreme low carbohydrate diet. I seem to notice a difference when it comes to muscle cramps. Just a placebo?

I doubt it's a placebo. I think potassium (which is not a vitamin) is known to prevent muscle cramps.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Why vitamins may be bad for your workout.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

FiveThirtyEight.

 

[seahawk 17]

Went to the Doctor due to some health issues, she advised that due to blood work results I need B12 and D3. After reading all of the supplement threads, I ordered,

Multi Vitamin

D3

B12

Fish Oil

Probiotics

Glucosamine/MSM

Is this over kill?

 

[Quez]

Has anyone heard of Liposomal vitamin C?  I have been taking this stuff, and it knocked out a cold pretty fast.  I was at Disney last weekend, and wasn't taking it every morning like I usually do, so I think that's why I got sick.  I started taking 3 a day, when I noticed the first signs of a cold, and managed to kick it in a few days.  Wasn't really bad.  I also use a net pot.  No fever, sinus infection, still went to work.  Pretty mild in general.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000CD9XGC?vs=1

They do something to vitamin C to make it bond to lipids, and it becomes more bioavailable to your body.  They say it rivals intravenous.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Walgreen's brand multivitamin (Centrum equivalent).

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

More: http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20161208-why-vitamin-supplements-could-kill-you

 

[Phil Elliott]

Interesting thread bump here, good timing.I had a physical yesterday, first time in about 4 years and it turns out that I have a pretty significant Vitamin D deficiency. I've got an 8-week prescription of some serious strength stuff, and the doctor recommended that I start taking 2000 units daily OTC. Apparently this whole Vitamin D craze is a relatively recent thing...I'd never heard about it until yesterday.Is there any difference in vitamin brands/can I just buy the drugstore brand (if there is one, I haven't looked yet)? What do I need to be looking for with my OTC vitamins? I have never taken a vitamin other than the kids stuff when I was a kid, and have never taken any workout supplements, so this is all new to me. Help a noob out.

Getting out in the sun will help also even if its15-30 minutes. Sun has to hit your skin so can be tougher on the winter depending on where you live.