W7 Game Thread - Denver V Cleveland (1 Viewer)

[BGP]

If the Browns wind up with another high draft pick and take ANOTHER freaking offensive skill position player, Savage should be fired immediately.

Dude, cut Savage some slack here. It's not his fault that his team has lost like 50 centers this season. Talk about the draft all you want, but LeCharles Bentley wasn't the highest rated free-agent offensive lineman this offseason... he was the highest rated FREE AGENT, PERIOD, and Savage stepped up to the plate, offered him big money, and landed him within hours of free agency opening. You make it sound like Cleveland is the Arizona Cardinals or Detroit Lions here, as if they don't even understand that the O-line exists.Besides, Travis Wilson was a freaking third rounder. Name me one tackle or guard who went between the 78th and 110th pick (Cleveland's next selection) that would have been an improvement on the line. Rashaad Butler and Jahri Evans were the only two tackles or guards selected in that span.

Its not my job to make excuses for Phil Savage. Sure Bentley went down, but the line is really intact. This is the line Phil Savage "built". This line isn't even mediocre and you can't blame all of that on the loss of Bentley. The bottom line it is Phil Savage's job to figure it out and build a capable OL. Its been the weakest spot on the team for decades now. He should be using every available resource to fix that. It should have been top priority from the start.

Offensive lines don't get fixed overnight. One of the largest portions of OL success is CONTINUITY, which you can't build in a year no matter how much money or draft picks you throw at it. Add to that the fact that rookie linemen generally take years to develop (and bust just as frequently as everyone else), and quality linemen almost NEVER hit free agency, and there's not a whole lot else Savage could have done to shore this unit up. I mean, seriously, suggest some moves that Savage should have made that would have drastically improved this OLine.

Use more draft picks and free agent money to fix the OL over the past two years. It should be top priority. I don't care if there is no servicable OL at the spot Travis Wilson was taken. You can package that pick and move up in the draft to get a good prospect. You can package that pick and make a trade to get an established quality offensive linemen. I don't see the effort.

 

[protoslacker]

Does anyone know if Tatum is hurt or playing? Was Mike Bell in for that last series?

Tatum's back in.

2-8-DEN 34 (10:24) T.Bell right tackle to DEN 33 for -1 yards (W.McGinest).so much for 100 yds rush

 

[BGP]

If the Browns wind up with another high draft pick and take ANOTHER freaking offensive skill position player, Savage should be fired immediately.

Dude, cut Savage some slack here. It's not his fault that his team has lost like 50 centers this season. Talk about the draft all you want, but LeCharles Bentley wasn't the highest rated free-agent offensive lineman this offseason... he was the highest rated FREE AGENT, PERIOD, and Savage stepped up to the plate, offered him big money, and landed him within hours of free agency opening. You make it sound like Cleveland is the Arizona Cardinals or Detroit Lions here, as if they don't even understand that the O-line exists.Besides, Travis Wilson was a freaking third rounder. Name me one tackle or guard who went between the 78th and 110th pick (Cleveland's next selection) that would have been an improvement on the line. Rashaad Butler and Jahri Evans were the only two tackles or guards selected in that span.

Its not my job to make excuses for Phil Savage. Sure Bentley went down, but the line is really intact. This is the line Phil Savage "built". This line isn't even mediocre and you can't blame all of that on the loss of Bentley. The bottom line it is Phil Savage's job to figure it out and build a capable OL. Its been the weakest spot on the team for decades now. He should be using every available resource to fix that. It should have been top priority from the start.

Offensive lines don't get fixed overnight. One of the largest portions of OL success is CONTINUITY, which you can't build in a year no matter how much money or draft picks you throw at it. Add to that the fact that rookie linemen generally take years to develop (and bust just as frequently as everyone else), and quality linemen almost NEVER hit free agency, and there's not a whole lot else Savage could have done to shore this unit up. I mean, seriously, suggest some moves that Savage should have made that would have drastically improved this OLine.

I just don't buy that. The 1999 Rams rebuilt their OL that offseason and went out and scored 500 points. Sure, its one data point, but I think continuity is overrated. That was the most prolific offense in NFL history - no team scored 500 points in three straight seasons before or since and that OL was built on the fly.You can point to the Chiefs under Vermiel - they made deals and got quality OL and their offense exploded too. It can be done.

 

[EnterSandman]

Jake Plummer is a pile of doo doo, Skeletor wants to kill him.

 

[Monse]

Not watching the game since it's not being broadcasted locally so I can't tell for myself but is there a reason why Plummer has already thrown 39 times? Seems a bit odd when they've been up all game and Tatum is averaging 5.0+

 

[Guru]

Does anyone know if Tatum is hurt or playing? Was Mike Bell in for that last series?

Tatum's back in.

2-8-DEN 34 (10:24) T.Bell right tackle to DEN 33 for -1 yards (W.McGinest).so much for 100 yds rush

Snuck over 100!

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Indy and Denver mix it up next week......schwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet game.

 

[protoslacker]

Does anyone know if Tatum is hurt or playing? Was Mike Bell in for that last series?

Tatum's back in.

2-8-DEN 34 (10:24) T.Bell right tackle to DEN 33 for -1 yards (W.McGinest).so much for 100 yds rush

Snuck over 100!

and now for something completely different: Mike Bell (The Larch!)

 

[metoo]

Does anyone know if Tatum is hurt or playing? Was Mike Bell in for that last series?

Tatum's back in.

2-8-DEN 34 (10:24) T.Bell right tackle to DEN 33 for -1 yards (W.McGinest).so much for 100 yds rush

Snuck over 100!

and now for something completely different: Mike Bell (The Larch!)

 

[shakeybarn]

Beautiful... let it be known whom the starter is

1-10-DEN 24 (5:57) M.Bell left guard to DEN 29 for 5 yards (T.Washington).

2-5-DEN 29 (5:14) M.Bell right guard to DEN 31 for 2 yards (T.Washington).

1-10-DEN 37 (3:46) M.Bell right tackle to DEN 34 for -3 yards (O.Roye).

2-13-DEN 34 (3:02) M.Bell left guard to DEN 35 for 1 yard (O.Roye, A.Davis).

3-12-DEN 35 (2:56) T.Bell left guard to DEN 48 for 13 yards (B.Russell).

 

[shakeybarn]

doh

1-10-DEN 24 (5:57) M.Bell left guard to DEN 29 for 5 yards (T.Washington).

2-5-DEN 29 (5:14) M.Bell right guard to DEN 31 for 2 yards (T.Washington).

1-10-DEN 37 (3:46) M.Bell right tackle to DEN 34 for -3 yards (O.Roye).

2-13-DEN 34 (3:02) M.Bell left guard to DEN 35 for 1 yard (O.Roye, A.Davis).

3-12-DEN 35 (2:56) T.Bell left guard to DEN 48 for 13 yards (B.Russell).

1-10-DEN 48 (2:15) T.Bell left tackle to DEN 46 for -2 yards (K.Wimbley).

 

[EnterSandman]

Nice punt POS

 

[JuniorNB]

doh1-10-DEN 24 (5:57) M.Bell left guard to DEN 29 for 5 yards (T.Washington).2-5-DEN 29 (5:14) M.Bell right guard to DEN 31 for 2 yards (T.Washington).1-10-DEN 37 (3:46) M.Bell right tackle to DEN 34 for -3 yards (O.Roye).2-13-DEN 34 (3:02) M.Bell left guard to DEN 35 for 1 yard (O.Roye, A.Davis).3-12-DEN 35 (2:56) T.Bell left guard to DEN 48 for 13 yards (B.Russell).1-10-DEN 48 (2:15) T.Bell left tackle to DEN 46 for -2 yards (K.Wimbley).

 

[SSOG]

Indy and Denver mix it up next week......schwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet game.

Denver's last four games were 17-7, 13-3, 13-3, and 17-7.I'm guessing Denver wins by 10, with a final score of either 17-7 or 13-3. Also, why the hell is Elvis Dumerville not getting some more love around here. The guy gets 20 sacks last season and is "rewarded" by falling all the way to the 4th round. So far this season, he's been active only three games... and in those three games he has 5 sacks. There wasn't a single Denver defender all of last season with more than 4 sacks. The kid has been looking really good.Edit: Also, I love the fact that 3rd-and-10 is considered a "running down" in Denver.

 

[Hellfire Snail]

Question: Did't the Denver defense have 5 sacks and two fumble recoveries? Or am I crazy? Fanball has them at 4 sacks and 1 fumble. This is extremely vital in one of my leagues...

 

[SSOG]

Question: Did't the Denver defense have 5 sacks and two fumble recoveries? Or am I crazy? Fanball has them at 4 sacks and 1 fumble. This is extremely vital in one of my leagues...

Yes, 5 sacks and 2 fumble recoveries. Cleveland fumbled a punt, which was recovered by Cecil Sapp, and then Al Wilson ripped the ball away from Droughns and Dumerville caught it out of the air. That's two recoveries, unless fanball doesn't count recoveries made by the special teams.I'm not *AS* certain about the 5 sacks, but I do remember Dumerville had three by himself, and I remember Michael Myers had a really short sack on a 4th down. NFL.com lists a fifth sack by Kenard Lang, and I'm willing to take their word for it, but I don't remember that one as specifically.