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waiver wire Def for week 15 (1 Viewer)

need2know said:
Chachi said:
This thread on a weekly basis has single handedly ruined my fantasy football season.

Oakland gave me -1 yesterday and will likely be out of the playoffs.

In the previous 5 weeks using advice from this thread my defences have scored -2,0,-1,0,3.

So the right choice is the one you believe in and not the one recommended here!

Lesson learned by me the hard way.
The Chachinator agrees with this post. I realized quickly if you want to lose then follow the advice around here.

The Chachinator is already up $23,000 this year and that number should go way up now that the playoffs have started.

The Chachinator only uses his own advice.
Wth is a chachi? Oak had some serious flags about that matchup. It was risky going in. Don't blame the thread for your choices
Agreed. I've been in and out of here all year. I grabbed KC in one league, but I knew come Denver part 1, they were in trouble and in another league I have been playing the wire all year. I was checking since week 8 and my waiver D's have averaged 15 ppg the past 7 weeks. That is almost 1ppg better than KC's yearly average, so 14ppg is the #1 D. I had one bad week (Cincy against Miami, which was supposed to be a great one), but other than that, I have gotten 9, 10, 11, 22, 23 and 27 points.I posted that I liked Arizona in the week 14 thread since they have been solid at home (they are the 9, 11, and 23 above). I didn't see many people agree, but anyone who took my advice might have advanced in their 1st round like I did. I had the high score for the week and needed it to win by 2. This thread and thinking through options has helped me a lot.

That said, I didn't like the Oakland option either. The things I look at are home/away splits, total scoring so far and matchups. I don't like going with crappy Ds with great matchups away (like Oakland). Those hardly ever work out. A decent D at home with a great matchup is cherry.
So who are you rolling with in the league where you've been playing the wire. Sounds like you have "the touch" over the past few weeks :)

 
need2know said:
Chachi said:
This thread on a weekly basis has single handedly ruined my fantasy football season.

Oakland gave me -1 yesterday and will likely be out of the playoffs.

In the previous 5 weeks using advice from this thread my defences have scored -2,0,-1,0,3.

So the right choice is the one you believe in and not the one recommended here!

Lesson learned by me the hard way.
The Chachinator agrees with this post. I realized quickly if you want to lose then follow the advice around here.

The Chachinator is already up $23,000 this year and that number should go way up now that the playoffs have started.

The Chachinator only uses his own advice.
Wth is a chachi? Oak had some serious flags about that matchup. It was risky going in. Don't blame the thread for your choices
Agreed. I've been in and out of here all year. I grabbed KC in one league, but I knew come Denver part 1, they were in trouble and in another league I have been playing the wire all year. I was checking since week 8 and my waiver D's have averaged 15 ppg the past 7 weeks. That is almost 1ppg better than KC's yearly average, so 14ppg is the #1 D. I had one bad week (Cincy against Miami, which was supposed to be a great one), but other than that, I have gotten 9, 10, 11, 22, 23 and 27 points.I posted that I liked Arizona in the week 14 thread since they have been solid at home (they are the 9, 11, and 23 above). I didn't see many people agree, but anyone who took my advice might have advanced in their 1st round like I did. I had the high score for the week and needed it to win by 2. This thread and thinking through options has helped me a lot.

That said, I didn't like the Oakland option either. The things I look at are home/away splits, total scoring so far and matchups. I don't like going with crappy Ds with great matchups away (like Oakland). Those hardly ever work out. A decent D at home with a great matchup is cherry.
So who are you rolling with in the league where you've been playing the wire. Sounds like you have "the touch" over the past few weeks :)
Right now, KC is obviously back in against Oakland. I also still have Arizona in there in the other. I don't like them as much away from home, but their run D goes against what I would call Tennessee's strength (CJ/Greene). That helped against St. Louis, in essence removing Stacy from the equation. Fitz can sling it sometimes, but with a healthy Ellington/Mendy, Arizona should put up some points and force Fitz into mistakes with their pressure. Outside of them as an actual good D, I haven't seen much else to like on the waivers.

Arizona hasn't been as good as last week every week, but they have been pretty solid recently, heck all year. For my league, getting close to 10 points out of a D is a solid effort. Outside of week 1 with a 7, they have had 9 or more all year except in these games: Detroit, @NO, @SF, Seattle and @Philly. Tennessee isn't as good as those guys. The only deterrent is it isn't at home. If it was @Arizona, I wouldn't even think twice. Also, Arizona is still very much in the playoff race, especially with a win over Carolina as a tie breaker. Tennessee could decide to give Shonn Greene a lot of work to see what they have in him with the reports that CJ won't be kept around next year.

Arizona is the #5 D in my league, the only other top 10 Ds that are FAs play NE, NO and SF. I just can't see sitting Arizona for those 3. The rest are meh. If ADP is out, maybe Philly is worth a flyer, but is their matchup that much better that you start a team with 72 points on the year over a team with 130? Of the 9 "good" matchups Arizona has had, they have 9-24 points 8 of 9 times with 7 as the worst. Philly's high for the year is 9. Maybe Philly does well, but if their upside is Arizona's floor, hard to say. On my waivers, Philly is probably the only team I would consider because they have been very consistent lately, they just haven't had games like Arizona did last week that could win you a playoff game.

 
Nice breakdown. Thanks.

Yeah, if the Cards were available in my main dynasty league, where the likes of Buffalo, Detroit and Philly are the main options, I'd go with the cards as well.

 
I see Atlanta as a top play this week. With the Redskins raising the while flag by not playing RG3, the remaining Redskin players will pack it in. I think Shanny knows he is done in Washington, and is packing his bags.
I think the complete opposite. Cousins can play and he's proven it already. I think the players and coaches were both fed up with RG3rd string's crap and will play well this week. Not to mention Atlanta has one of the worst defenses in the league.
 
the atl game is a coin flip. cousins wants to prove hes worthy of a starting job. the atl defense is terrible. I see Atlanta winning but it may be closer than expected. ATL -6/51. I like the under

 
I see Atlanta as a top play this week. With the Redskins raising the while flag by not playing RG3, the remaining Redskin players will pack it in. I think Shanny knows he is done in Washington, and is packing his bags.
I think the complete opposite. Cousins can play and he's proven it already. I think the players and coaches were both fed up with RG3rd string's crap and will play well this week. Not to mention Atlanta has one of the worst defenses in the league.
dont buy into Gophers schtik , its how he rolls

 
Still debating NO vs. DET, so starting digging into the offenses and offensive lines they're facing. I don't buy the PHI DST as a great matchup - people criminally underrate Toby Gerhart, Patterson is emerging as a serious weapon, and Cassell may be better than Ponder anyway.

New Orleans faces STL (20th in PPG), but the matchup may exploit New Orleans' weakness. The Rams are 26th in passing yards per game; 18th in rushing yards per game. Conversely, the Saints are 3rd best against the pass, 17th against the run. So the question boils down to whether the Rams will be able to move the ball on the ground, and do so early enough to stay in the game and keep the ball from Brees. This DST wins when Brees builds a lead and forces the opposing team's offense to throw, which goes right into the teeth of Rob Ryan's crew. The Saints also happen to be 5th in scoring D, so I don't doubt they'll keep the Rams in check on the scoreboard. However, NO is only tied for 24th in takeaways, while STL is 11th in giveaways (e.g. they protect the ball and NO isn't great at taking it from you). However, New Orleans is 2nd in sacks and STL is 18th in sacks allowed. I'd expect the Saints to build a lead and get after Clemens and company. Score should be pretty low for the Rams, and they should yield a few sacks, even if they don't necessarily turn the ball over. It's a safe, solid DST start.

The Lions, on the other hand, face Baltimore (25th in PPG). Detroit is known for the rush defense (6th best in the NFL), especially of late. But they also serve up the 8th most yards per game through the air. Good thing they face Baltimore. The Ravens are 20th in passing and 29th in rushing. Lions are 20th in takeaways, but the Ravens are the 12th most generous team when it comes to turnovers. Finally, while the Lions are only 27th in the league in sacks, the Ravens have allowed the fourth most sacks in football. In a Monday nighter in Detroit, a game the Lions desperately need to win to maintain their division lead, I expect the Ford Field crowd to be a factor. Doesn't hurt that the Ravens are 1-5 on the road this year with losses to Buffalo, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and Chicago included. Detroit is as good or better than any of those teams, and should come through in this one.

Really, I think either D makes a solid start. Detroit likely has more upside, and a better return game since Jeremy Ross was given the job, but the Saints won't hurt you this week either. I'd probably play either one over Philly.

 
Re. NO vs. DET, I generally agree with JFS171, but I think I narrowly prefer the Saints. It's just too easy to imagine the Lions being shredded through the air--1) Pitta's return seems to have dramatically improved BAL's passing game, and 2) the DET secondary have major problems stopping pass-catching RBs.

 
Lascelle said:
jimbodan said:
Is it a crazy idea to drop Cin. for Philly? The Bengals got thrashed last week and Philly seems to have a nice matchup.
I'm not dropping Cincinnati for Philly... they get the very same "nice matchup" next week that Philly gets this week.

That being said, I am looking to pick up Philly to start instead of the Bengals this week. Steelers have been giving up very little to opposing defenses of late.
Tossing this around myself. I also will not drop Cincy outright even after their goose egg last week. I have not looked into the Pitt side of things yet, but if they have not been turning it over and taking sacks, Philly might be the play on Sunday. I do like that the Pitt/Cin game is primetime for some reason...

 
Jax has been playing well & Buffalo has been really bad... I hate to play with Jax, but they look like a decent play.
Since the bye, they have had 4 out of 5 double digit games in my league, good enough for 10th over that span. They average 2.5 sacks and 2 turnovers a game in that span as well. Buffalo just gave up their most points of the season for opposing defenses but before that, they yielded nothing to Atlanta and the Jets. Hard to tell if they will play good or bad on offense.

When you're this far down, you could do worse.

 
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Sorry i can never live with myself if i started jax def in a playoff game and they cost me a win
Meh, they got me into the playoffs week 13 vs. CLE. They really have been a totally different team over the past 4 weeks. I didn't believe it either at first and was instead focused on home/away splits but yeah, it's real.

I picked up PHI two weeks ago anticipating their match-up this week but I wasn't truly excited about it until now. There's a chance MIN will have to roll with their third string RB (Matt Asiata?) and will quite possibly be without Carlson (I think this has gone under the radar). With the way PHI's defense has been playing lately this is shaping up to be a massacre IMO.

 
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Took Philly's D over Detroit... the loss of AP changes Minny's whole game. Detroit was my second choice.

---note Cincy is on my bench (on hold for Min next week)

 
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Took Philly's D over Detroit... the loss of AP changes Minny's whole game. Detroit was my second choice.

---note Cincy is on my bench (on hold for Min next week)
Not just that but if Gerhart plays, it'll be with a sore hammy. Can't be totally effective like that.

 
I'm going with Philly but Jacksonville sure as he'll looks tempting. They're playing at home and by looking at stats they have been really good against the run since their bye (and buffalo has been horrid in the passing game). The CJ spiller and Fred Jackson tandem do have the talent to have good games against jax so that's the scary part.

I rather choose philly and the saints over jax, but god I'll be nervous if I was up against Jacksonville defense.

 
Outbid for Philly. Don't have the stones to start the Jags. Going with New England.

Pray for me.
I will easily take Jacksonville over New England. New England's defense has been bad against subpar offenses (bad as in barely putting up any points in fantasy). Miami has gotten better offensively the past few weeks. Pouncey is a beast
 
Outbid for Philly. Don't have the stones to start the Jags. Going with New England.

Pray for me.
I will easily take Jacksonville over New England. New England's defense has been bad against subpar offenses (bad as in barely putting up any points in fantasy). Miami has gotten better offensively the past few weeks. Pouncey is a beast
Pats have definitely stunk it up but Dolphins continue to give up sacks and TOs (Pick 6 for the Steelers last week). Like I said, I just don't have the stones to go with the Jags. I could see Spiller and Jackson dominating this game.

 
Sorry i can never live with myself if i started jax def in a playoff game and they cost me a win
Meh, they got me into the playoffs week 13 vs. CLE. They really have been a totally different team over the past 4 weeks. I didn't believe it either at first and was instead focused on home/away splits but yeah, it's real.

I picked up PHI two weeks ago anticipating their match-up this week but I wasn't truly excited about it until now. There's a chance MIN will have to roll with their third string RB (Matt Asiata?) and will quite possibly be without Carlson (I think this has gone under the radar). With the way PHI's defense has been playing lately this is shaping up to be a massacre IMO.
Yup, I also expect this to be non-competitive. MIN is a hot mess and Philly is red hot right now. I wasn't too sure of myself a week ago when I picked up the Philly defense, but the Vikings potential rolling with Asiata as part of a committee? Gold I tell you.

 
Any AZ D owners concerned about Honey Badger injury? They are ranked pretty low this week @TEN so I am thinking of putting in Philly or Detroit.

 
What are the thoughts on BUF this week? @JAX, and the Jags have been on a roll recently...but BUF has the most sacks in the league and JAX gives up the 6th most. I think BUF's defense really depends on their offense not repeatedly turning over the ball, though...and Manuel's performance last week isn't giving me a whole lot of confidence in that. What do you guys think?
I have them in right now but am looking hard at Cincy @ Pitt. Cincy stunk it up against the colts in the second half last week and didn't record a single sack or turnover. But they've been good most of the year and it should be snowing.

Also considering philly.

 
Have NO and PHI D.

Be curious to know what NO's home vs. road D splits are. I swear, it feels like everytime they're at home they can shut down anyone. Then you pick them up and they lay an egg on the road. STL in a dome, but still.

 
I have Arizona and picked up Detroit. Just really prefer playing a home team for my defense/special teams, think the Lions will be pumped playing MNF and it's always nice to have that one last bullet to get you some points if need be. AZ on the road heading East scares me, and though I wouldn't have a problem starting AZ if I needed to, I am going with Detroit this week.

 
Ariz (@Tenn) and NO (@Stl) available.

What do you guys think? Third option is Tenn (vs Ariz)
I always go with a home team. I really like Tenn this week for some reason.
I couldn't agree more. Yes, Zona has been on a roll, but Palmer is due for one of those horrific performances where he throws 3 picks. I think Tenn D plays very well this week.
It takes some cajones, after Tenn D got carved up by Denver and AZ looked good at home vs. the Rams. But I think this could pay off. I had always slotted TN for the AZ matchup for week 15 and Cincy vs. MN at home for the SuperBowl, but I was getting a little nervous. Missed out on the Saints pickup last night so will likely roll with TN.

 
Any AZ D owners concerned about Honey Badger injury? They are ranked pretty low this week @TEN so I am thinking of putting in Philly or Detroit.
Ranked low? I have them ranked 5th. Where are they ranked low?

 
Dodds has Detroit pretty high this week. I thought they were pretty lousy outside their Run Defense which Baltimore has none of anyways. What am I missing?

 
Dodds has Detroit pretty high this week. I thought they were pretty lousy outside their Run Defense which Baltimore has none of anyways. What am I missing?
He also has Tamme ranked below Kellen Winslow in PPR. I think he's just mailing it in at this point ;)

 
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Any AZ D owners concerned about Honey Badger injury? They are ranked pretty low this week @TEN so I am thinking of putting in Philly or Detroit.
Ranked low? I have them ranked 5th. Where are they ranked low?
It's mixed on all the sites as to where AZ should be ranked this week.

I went with the experts last week on Pats = sucked and the week before that they sucked.

Don't listen to the experts. AZ has been getting turnovers.

Most teams are scoring more than 20 points a week. So in my league I can't expect to get points that way.

I need the turnovers, sacks etc.. AZ is pretty good there.

 
Buf @ the Jags or NO @ the Rams?

The Jags haven't really been giving a lot of points to opposing fantasy defenses the last month. But no Shorts or MJD?

NO looks good on paper but they just aren't the same team on the road at all.

 
After further thought...

I am rolling with Philly this week over Buffalo, Arizona and New England.

While it could come back to haunt me, a team that has been pretty consistent in production week to week against a team that is on 2nd or 3rd string everything, how can you pass that up? I want a pretty decent 8-12 points from them, I'll take that in a week where points matter more than ever.

Philly has something to play for, Minnesota is just showing up at this point. :shrug:

 
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Dodds has Detroit pretty high this week. I thought they were pretty lousy outside their Run Defense which Baltimore has none of anyways. What am I missing?
He also has Tamme ranked below Kellen Winslow in PPR. I think he's just mailing it in at this point ;)
Double check the rankings with Bloom. He's not just mailing it in. Too bad Bloom doesn't do defensive rankings.
Yes, good to see that someone is still steering the ship.

 
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After further thought...

I am rolling with Philly this week over Buffalo, Arizona and New England.

While it could come back to haunt me, a team that has been pretty consistent in production week to week against a team that is on 2nd or 3rd string everything, how can you pass that up? I want a pretty decent 8-12 points from them, I'll take that in a week where points matter more than ever.

Philly has something to play for, Minnesota is just showing up at this point. :shrug:
This is really starting to pile up for Minny.

No ADP most likely we know that.

Carlson is starting to look like he will be out, so no Rudolph, no Carlson, so no TE outlet, which is a big part of what little they are able to do in the first place.

Ponder maybe out again, so perhaps it's Cassel again.

And if Gerhart is out then maybe we're looking at Asiata at RB? Utah Ute, maybe he has some talent, not sure, but his first real scrimmage action? Yikes.

 
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I have Detroit and Philly on my roster. I always lean toward the home team, but this matchup vs Minnesota is really shaping up to be almost too good to be true. They did not have much of a pass threat to begin with and now they go from the biggest freak in the league at RB to someone no one has ever even heard of and a 3rd string TE to boot.

 
Chachi said:
Quez said:
Any AZ D owners concerned about Honey Badger injury? They are ranked pretty low this week @TEN so I am thinking of putting in Philly or Detroit.
Ranked low? I have them ranked 5th. Where are they ranked low?
I could of sworn one of the FBGs had them ranked lower earlier, but everyone appears to have them pretty high play now.

Is anyone concerned about the Honey Badger being gone? Was he that important to this D?

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Phenix said:
After further thought...

I am rolling with Philly this week over Buffalo, Arizona and New England.

While it could come back to haunt me, a team that has been pretty consistent in production week to week against a team that is on 2nd or 3rd string everything, how can you pass that up? I want a pretty decent 8-12 points from them, I'll take that in a week where points matter more than ever.

Philly has something to play for, Minnesota is just showing up at this point. :shrug:
This is really starting to pile up for Minny.

No ADP most likely we know that.

Carlson is starting to look like he will be out, so no Rudolph, no Carlson, so no TE outlet, which is a big part of what little they are able to do in the first place.

Ponder maybe out again, so perhaps it's Cassel again.

And if Gerhart is out then maybe we're looking at Asiata at RB? Utah Ute, maybe he has some talent, not sure, but his first real scrimmage action? Yikes.
I may be wrong, but I believe Cassel was already named starter this week.

 
Ariz (@Tenn) and NO (@Stl) available.

What do you guys think? Third option is Tenn (vs Ariz)
I always go with a home team. I really like Tenn this week for some reason.
I couldn't agree more. Yes, Zona has been on a roll, but Palmer is due for one of those horrific performances where he throws 3 picks. I think Tenn D plays very well this week.
Yep, same here. So much so, I picked them up to start over the 49ers.

 
Dodds has Detroit pretty high this week. I thought they were pretty lousy outside their Run Defense which Baltimore has none of anyways. What am I missing?
A rare Monday night home game in Detroit, crowd is going to be jacked up and the D line is going to create havoc all night. Ross has also jump started the return game.

I have Philly and Detroit, planning on going Philly for now but may go with the Lions if AD plays.

 
Ariz (@Tenn) and NO (@Stl) available.

What do you guys think? Third option is Tenn (vs Ariz)
I always go with a home team. I really like Tenn this week for some reason.
I couldn't agree more. Yes, Zona has been on a roll, but Palmer is due for one of those horrific performances where he throws 3 picks. I think Tenn D plays very well this week.
Yep, same here. So much so, I picked them up to start over the 49ers.
This exemplifies why the "sharks" are so bad. The chances of SF out scoring TN with team DEF is astronomical.

 
Ariz (@Tenn) and NO (@Stl) available.

What do you guys think? Third option is Tenn (vs Ariz)
I always go with a home team. I really like Tenn this week for some reason.
I couldn't agree more. Yes, Zona has been on a roll, but Palmer is due for one of those horrific performances where he throws 3 picks. I think Tenn D plays very well this week.
Yep, same here. So much so, I picked them up to start over the 49ers.
This exemplifies why the "sharks" are so bad. The chances of SF out scoring TN with team DEF is astronomical.
Astronomical. Ok.

I see a Niner's team due for a huge letdown, after beating the Super Bowl faves, and flying to the eastern time zone to play a team they should theoretically beat handily. But the Bucs have quietly won four of five overall, and three in a row, and want to run the ball, with Glennon attempting 25 passes or fewer six games in a row.

Palmer, on the other hand, has attempted less than 28 passes ONCE this year, and has taken 18 sacks and thrown 9 picks in his six road starts. Glennon at home, in the same number of starts, has 12 sacks against and 6 INTs.

I think I would rather have the defense, at home, against a team that will likely air it out, than the niners going three time zones away, in what will likely be a grinder.

I may be wrong, but I don't envision the huge mismatch that you do. And who cares anyway? I'm one voice in a thousand, and people are here to get opinions. They still have to figure it out for themselves. Seriously, get over yourself. Your God complex is showing.

:goodposting:

 

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