Waiver Wire Defense for Week 16 (1 Viewer)

[nihsumi]

One thing you Det guys need to consider is only 2x in 15 games has Eli had more tds than ints. The Giants are 2nd in the NFL in turnovers behind only the Jets. With the 3rd most lost fumbles and of course a league leading 26 ints.

Unless you think the Giants are going to score alot (I dont know what that could be based on) and you lose points for that then maybe avoid them otherwise it is a safe bet they will get a few turnovers. The turnovers should also offset any negative points you get due to points or yardage.

You really have to consider what your other choices are for a defense but Det looks solid and I would take them over the dregs I have.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

If we want to consider the disparity between the quality of the defense (in terms of FF points) and the lack thereof in the offense, these appear to be the top 5 plays overall:

SF

CIN

DAL

TB

MIA

All are top third defenses playing bottom third offenses.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

The Bills really are quite generous against opposing DST. They have had very low numbers against them in 3 of the last 4 games, but those were against the 28th, 30th and 31st-rank DST (at least in my league).

The one game against a decent D in the past 4 was TB and TB put up a lot.

On the other hand, MIA has only had 2 big games in the past 9, though they've been pretty good in at least keeping points against down.

 

[nihsumi]

Dallas D over the last 1/3 of their schedule in my league is -1, 10, 5, -3, 0. While TB Defense has scored 20(Det), 4(Car), 22(Buf), 2(SF). S

Dallas D seems to be a risky play now w/Cousins at the helm.

 

[WesleyPipes]

I wouldn't start Dallas D with your ####

 

[Steeler]

I'm starting DET over KC.

My opponent is starting MIA over CAR.

 

[skillz]

Going with Rams. Outside of the SF game they've been solid at home all year. Considering Cincy if Peterson doesn't play and weather is bad

 

[nihsumi]

I have Tenn, Jax, SD defenses.

Jax's D over the last 4 weeks 11, 10, 8, 8pts (Hou2x, Clev, Buff) and the last time they played Tenn they notched 17pts.

Tenn has given up 6 sacks, 6ints and 3 fumbles over the last 3 games(Indy, Den, Ari). The issue could be no Cecil.

 

[(HULK)]

If we want to consider the disparity between the quality of the defense (in terms of FF points) and the lack thereof in the offense, these appear to be the top 5 plays overall:

SF

CIN

DAL

TB

MIA

All are top third defenses playing bottom third offenses.

Seattle against a very wounded Arizona offense is my top pick this week, by far.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Miami in the cold rain of Buffalo without EJ or Stevie looks to be the play. We'll see.

 

[timoleander]

Miami in the cold rain of Buffalo without EJ or Stevie looks to be the play. We'll see.

I'm so tempted to roll with MIA over KC's defense; last week's point onslaught by OAK showed how vulnerable KC can be if the turnovers aren't there to bolster the fantasy points. But getting McCluster back on special teams is a small boost, so weather might actual be a determining factor for me in this decision.

 

[donkshow]

I'm rolling with KC.

It may not be the best matchup, but I'd be more pissed if I bench KC and they have a solid week than starting them and they serve up a dud.

I don't like the DET play this week. They have a good matchup, but they don't really create turnovers.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

I'm rolling with KC.

It may not be the best matchup, but I'd be more pissed if I bench KC and they have a solid week than starting them and they serve up a dud.

I don't like the DET play this week. They have a good matchup, but they don't really create turnovers.

Yeah but Eli creates plenty by himself

 

[Acrobat7]

CAR or CLE? CAR or CLE? CAR or CLE? CAR or CLE? CAR or CLE..?

Can't believe my final lineup decision is killing me...

 

[ebsteelers]

using the bengals.... hoping for the best

 

[Brycestrahorn]

CAR or CLE? CAR or CLE? CAR or CLE? CAR or CLE? CAR or CLE..?

Can't believe my final lineup decision is killing me...

debating this myself. Have Car in at moment but thinking about rolling Cle

 

[Acrobat7]

CAR or CLE? CAR or CLE? CAR or CLE? CAR or CLE? CAR or CLE..?

Can't believe my final lineup decision is killing me...

debating this myself. Have Car in at moment but thinking about rolling Cle

Yeah, i have CLE in right now, but the weather in CAR might change that (again!).

 

[cubbie5150]

using the bengals.... hoping for the best

Same. Given their recent poor play, I'm not expecting much, but at least they're at home

 

[Purple_King]

I'm starting the lions, but I also have the rams and I really like them too.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I let the ten game start with SD in my starting lineup...I know you all care

Good luck all

 

[The Duff Man]

Bills are no joke at home, and both EJ and Stevie J have not played well, making their absense irrelevant.

Lost to NE on last second FG - rookie QBs first ever game

Beat Car

Beat Bal

Lost to Cin in OT - long return set up game winning FG

Lost to KC - on verge of going up 17 before 4th string QB throws a pick 6 from the KC 1yrd line

Thumped the Jets

The Atl "home" game was in Toronto.

They have 22 sacks and 11 picks in the 6 home games. I like them to win, they are still very motivated and can finish with a winning record in the division.

All too easy.

 

[dickey moe]

Ugh, should've started the Bills.

 

[Acrobat7]

Played CLE over CAR. Hmmmm....

 

[Sarnoff]

Didn't use the bills, hope it doesn't cost me...

 

[pbandy1]

rolled with the Dolphins D, didn't work out too well.

 

[VaTerp]

Any last minute update in Green Bay?

 

[nihsumi]

w/Tenn got 7pts other guy had Rams got 15pts and Murray trying to dig out of a hole here

 

[Wombat x]

I used the Browns and they got me 0 points. I swear I want to just get rid of DST's in fantasy. Constantly playing people who have DST's just completely going off while mine get me 0 points. Im just so done with it.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

Im starting to hate Team DST too....shouldve played Bills, oh well

 

[cubbie5150]

Cincy did great for me. Too bad my opponent had Panthers, and in our scoring, I pretty much only managed to keep pace.

 

[kyoun1e]

Lol at the DET D hype.

 

[Acrobat7]

Lol at the DET D hype.

..and at me playing CLE.

 

[nihsumi]

Lol at the DET D hype.

Det got 9pts in my scoring system better than tenn, miami, clev, sea, kc, etc....

 

[VikingFrog]

New England had a nice game tonight.

 

[pbandy1]

Lol at the DET D hype.

Det got 9pts in my scoring system better than tenn, miami, clev, sea, kc, etc....

Yup. A lot of defensive duds today so 9 points by the Det D is fine.

 

[Steeler]

DET didn't dominate, but they aren't going to be the reason I lose today.

 

[BigDave]

His D Cinn 25 Points

My D DET 10 Points

So much for matchups. Next year I draft a defense early and hold on all year. Sick of streaming every week.

 

[Steeler]

His D Cinn 25 Points

My D DET 10 Points

So much for matchups. Next year I draft a defense early and hold on all year. Sick of streaming every week.

KC only scored 3 points in my scoring system today... so nothing you do will be correct

 

[BigDave]

His D Cinn 25 Points

My D DET 10 Points

So much for matchups. Next year I draft a defense early and hold on all year. Sick of streaming every week.

KC only scored 3 points in my scoring system today... so nothing you do will be correct

His D Cinn 25 Points

My D DET 10 Points

So much for matchups. Next year I draft a defense early and hold on all year. Sick of streaming every week.

KC only scored 3 points in my scoring system today... so nothing you do will be correct

Then I vote to drop defenses all together and end this misery

 

[nihsumi]

His D Cinn 25 Points

My D DET 10 Points

So much for matchups. Next year I draft a defense early and hold on all year. Sick of streaming every week.

Well what if Cinn had gotten 2 or -1 today which they did the prior 2 weeks. Also my guess is 10pts is average or better on a weekly basis in your league.

Also just an fyi Hou, Den, Chi, SD, NE were all top 10Ds from 2012... that wouldnt have worked out so well this year. KC was ranked 32last year and in my league are 1st.

 

[nihsumi]

His D Cinn 25 Points

My D DET 10 Points

So much for matchups. Next year I draft a defense early and hold on all year. Sick of streaming every week.

KC only scored 3 points in my scoring system today... so nothing you do will be correct

His D Cinn 25 Points

My D DET 10 Points

So much for matchups. Next year I draft a defense early and hold on all year. Sick of streaming every week.

KC only scored 3 points in my scoring system today... so nothing you do will be correct

Then I vote to drop defenses all together and end this misery

Well since CalvinJohnson only scored 4.3pts today can we drop WRs as well?

 

[stbugs]

In my league scoring, home team defenses against TB have scored 10+ points (incl Jets, Falcons, Lions) except once, oddly enough against Seattle. I don't have many other homeruns on the wire to grab so I'm going to roll with STL.

I think I have settled on them. Detroit has been rostered for a while (no idea why) and Miami and Cleveland are the other options. I don't like road teams that aren't great Ds and Miami's hole is run, which doesn't match well with Spiller/Jackson and it seems like Haden may be out. I think Cleveland is still an option because of how bad the Jets have been, but they have been very mediocre. The past 9 weeks, they have had 3 good games (the others have been awful) and only one of those games had a good D game. The other 2 would have been bad scoring games aside from the TDs. I know you can't take away TDs, but you like to see other scoring potential since they have scored TDs in only 3 of 14 games. Detroit (not an option for me) is the same way, they just don't put up a lot of points. They could hold the Giants to 10-14 points, but the upside may not be there. They won't score 20+ like Seattle because they are not Seattle.

Also, a caution for Cleveland, in my scoring, they have 86 points in 14 games. In 8 homes games, they average 7.25 and in 6 away games they average 4.67. They have had some bad games at home, but their 4 best (10+) games were all at home. St. Louis has been solid at home, including 10+ in 3 of the last 4 home games including Chicago, NO and Seattle. That is damn impressive to score 10+ against those 3 offenses.

I think St. Louis is my choice and after thinking about it, are definitely who I am going with this week. I'll keep KC in it in my other league. In that league, my team has been decimated by injuries, so I need the high ceiling that KC has at home.

Well, St. Louis got me 20 points. That is about 50% above the #1 D in our league's weekly scoring (KC) or more than double the weekly scoring of the average starting D. Picking them up was a huge reason that I won that league championship today.

I know there were lots of posts in this thread about how bad DBC was and how this thread was terrible, but this thread helped me make great decisions lately (many of which I posted). Heck, week 13 was a win my division game, followed by 3 playoff wins. I got 22, 23, 10 and 20 out of Miami, Arizona x2 and St. Louis. I won by 9 (4th highest score), 2 (highest score), 23 (highest score) and 21 (highest score). DBC got me the highest score 3 of 4 weeks and other than the 10 spot, was essential in winning 4 straight to win it all.

In total, my Ds scored 217 points in 16 weeks, using the Bucs, Ravens, Jets, Titans, Browns, Broncos, Patriots, Cincy x2, Arizona x2, St. Louis, Miami, Arizona x2 and St. Louis. 217 points is the #1 D all year, compared to 201 for KC and 182 for Seattle. I'll take that. No way I'll be able to repeat that, but it was a heck of a run, especially the second half when I needed it most.

ETA: Oops, forgot week 16 for KC and Seattle. KC went down to 199 for the year and Seattle went up to 192 (Carolina came on to 186), so even so, 217 by my rotating defenses was over 1-2 ppg better than the top 3 Ds who were clearly the best. Heck, without everything being final, my rotation was over 7ppg better than sticking with the 8-12th best defense and not trying to find the best D every week.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

In my league scoring, home team defenses against TB have scored 10+ points (incl Jets, Falcons, Lions) except once, oddly enough against Seattle. I don't have many other homeruns on the wire to grab so I'm going to roll with STL.

I think I have settled on them. Detroit has been rostered for a while (no idea why) and Miami and Cleveland are the other options. I don't like road teams that aren't great Ds and Miami's hole is run, which doesn't match well with Spiller/Jackson and it seems like Haden may be out. I think Cleveland is still an option because of how bad the Jets have been, but they have been very mediocre. The past 9 weeks, they have had 3 good games (the others have been awful) and only one of those games had a good D game. The other 2 would have been bad scoring games aside from the TDs. I know you can't take away TDs, but you like to see other scoring potential since they have scored TDs in only 3 of 14 games. Detroit (not an option for me) is the same way, they just don't put up a lot of points. They could hold the Giants to 10-14 points, but the upside may not be there. They won't score 20+ like Seattle because they are not Seattle.Also, a caution for Cleveland, in my scoring, they have 86 points in 14 games. In 8 homes games, they average 7.25 and in 6 away games they average 4.67. They have had some bad games at home, but their 4 best (10+) games were all at home. St. Louis has been solid at home, including 10+ in 3 of the last 4 home games including Chicago, NO and Seattle. That is damn impressive to score 10+ against those 3 offenses.

I think St. Louis is my choice and after thinking about it, are definitely who I am going with this week. I'll keep KC in it in my other league. In that league, my team has been decimated by injuries, so I need the high ceiling that KC has at home.

Well, St. Louis got me 20 points. That is about 50% above the #1 D in our league's weekly scoring (KC) or more than double the weekly scoring of the average starting D. Picking them up was a huge reason that I won that league championship today.I know there were lots of posts in this thread about how bad DBC was and how this thread was terrible, but this thread helped me make great decisions lately (many of which I posted). Heck, week 13 was a win my division game, followed by 3 playoff wins. I got 22, 23, 10 and 20 out of Miami, Arizona x2 and St. Louis. I won by 9 (4th highest score), 2 (highest score), 23 (highest score) and 21 (highest score). DBC got me the highest score 3 of 4 weeks and other than the 10 spot, was essential in winning 4 straight to win it all.

In total, my Ds scored 217 points in 16 weeks, using the Bucs, Ravens, Jets, Titans, Browns, Broncos, Patriots, Cincy x2, Arizona x2, St. Louis, Miami, Arizona x2 and St. Louis. 217 points is the #1 D all year, compared to 201 for KC and 182 for Seattle. I'll take that. No way I'll be able to repeat that, but it was a heck of a run, especially the second half when I needed it most.

Well I lucked out despite my ineptitude at picking defenses, but what you did looks pretty impressive.....

Might have to seek your guidance next season, LOL

 

[stbugs]

In my league scoring, home team defenses against TB have scored 10+ points (incl Jets, Falcons, Lions) except once, oddly enough against Seattle. I don't have many other homeruns on the wire to grab so I'm going to roll with STL.

I think I have settled on them. Detroit has been rostered for a while (no idea why) and Miami and Cleveland are the other options. I don't like road teams that aren't great Ds and Miami's hole is run, which doesn't match well with Spiller/Jackson and it seems like Haden may be out. I think Cleveland is still an option because of how bad the Jets have been, but they have been very mediocre. The past 9 weeks, they have had 3 good games (the others have been awful) and only one of those games had a good D game. The other 2 would have been bad scoring games aside from the TDs. I know you can't take away TDs, but you like to see other scoring potential since they have scored TDs in only 3 of 14 games. Detroit (not an option for me) is the same way, they just don't put up a lot of points. They could hold the Giants to 10-14 points, but the upside may not be there. They won't score 20+ like Seattle because they are not Seattle.Also, a caution for Cleveland, in my scoring, they have 86 points in 14 games. In 8 homes games, they average 7.25 and in 6 away games they average 4.67. They have had some bad games at home, but their 4 best (10+) games were all at home. St. Louis has been solid at home, including 10+ in 3 of the last 4 home games including Chicago, NO and Seattle. That is damn impressive to score 10+ against those 3 offenses.

I think St. Louis is my choice and after thinking about it, are definitely who I am going with this week. I'll keep KC in it in my other league. In that league, my team has been decimated by injuries, so I need the high ceiling that KC has at home.

Well, St. Louis got me 20 points. That is about 50% above the #1 D in our league's weekly scoring (KC) or more than double the weekly scoring of the average starting D. Picking them up was a huge reason that I won that league championship today.I know there were lots of posts in this thread about how bad DBC was and how this thread was terrible, but this thread helped me make great decisions lately (many of which I posted). Heck, week 13 was a win my division game, followed by 3 playoff wins. I got 22, 23, 10 and 20 out of Miami, Arizona x2 and St. Louis. I won by 9 (4th highest score), 2 (highest score), 23 (highest score) and 21 (highest score). DBC got me the highest score 3 of 4 weeks and other than the 10 spot, was essential in winning 4 straight to win it all.

In total, my Ds scored 217 points in 16 weeks, using the Bucs, Ravens, Jets, Titans, Browns, Broncos, Patriots, Cincy x2, Arizona x2, St. Louis, Miami, Arizona x2 and St. Louis. 217 points is the #1 D all year, compared to 201 for KC and 182 for Seattle. I'll take that. No way I'll be able to repeat that, but it was a heck of a run, especially the second half when I needed it most.

Well I lucked out despite my ineptitude at picking defenses, but what you did looks pretty impressive.....

Might have to seek your guidance next season, LOL

I hope it wasn't all just luck. Honestly, I think this season in this one league (had KC in another and 20 player rosters in the 3rd, i.e. so really only suck ### Ds on waivers) may have been the most time I ever spent looking at Ds and man did it pay off. That slot was almost as important to my team as any other slot. I needed every point I got out of them the last 4 weeks. Even though I had the most points in my league, I also had the most points scored against me. It sure seemed like the FF gods didn't want me to win this league. I scored the most points in each of the last 3 weeks, but I was 2 points away from getting knocked out in the first round. Thanks to Miami's 22 that week, I kept playing.

 

[Insein]

Should have been a blind homer and played philly def this week. I'd still be alive now.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

How do you guys feels about San Diego? They have been mediocre at best but that last raiders game was a circus.

One D/ST TD all year, only one time in double digits (in my league) all year. Good matchup but they're not good.

I had tenn penciled in and am wavering. The raiders suck. Bad. I'm leaning towards starting SD. I have car, but not the stones to start them vs NO.Eta: the raiders had 299 total yards, 132 of them in the first quarter and both offensive Td's, they had a def TD and 2 fts after that. My thought is SD will be ready to go and needs this game.

Carolina would have been better than SD but I'll take the 10 points. Woot woot championship!!!

 

[LordHusker]

Sooooo glad I benched Carolina, stuck with Buffalo and resisted the urge to pick up Detroit. Hope everyone had success. Good thread.

 

[Sarnoff]

My choices: Buffalo, New England, Detriot.

New England I had because they played CLE and MIA in the first two playoff weeks. They put up terrible stinkers. I knew my game this week was going to be high scoring, and I needed every point I could get. As I had Ravens offensive players, it didn't make sense for me to play the Patriots against them. Limited my potential. Dropped them. We score +3 for turnovers, so, those last two TDs were a total of 18 points. They finished with 31 on my waiver wire.

Could have gone Buffalo, but I figured they didn't have their big name starters and had nothing to play for. Miami was hot and really needed the game. The weather wasn't terrible. Buffalo was the underdog. Hated everything about that play. They finished with 23 points.

So I went Detroit. Bad defense, sure, but against the 32nd-of-32 rated team in my league for defenses to play against. In a must-win game against an eliminated team. They only put up 10.

Sure, it "cost me" the championship. But I still put up the second-highest score in league history in the championship game. The guy I was playing just happned to beat me by a field goal and set the all-time scoring record for a final. Oh well.

 

[thriftyrocker]

I grabbed DET to play over CIN and it cost me a title. Those are the breaks though when you get 2 good teams at the end, every choice can make or break you. He could have played the Jags over CLE and gotten a similar jump so its usually pointless to second guess. Although now I gotta stare at DET on my roster in multiple leagues all summer.

 

[nihsumi]

I stuck w/tenn and dawson pulled me thru after some bonehead wr starts (streater, hopkins)