Want to climb Mt. Everest? Maybe find a new place... (1 Viewer)

[culdeus]

They do haul poop, just the designated repository may be reaching capacity at some point, likely sooner than they planned because of heavy traffic.

So carry it further?

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Actual headline...

Mount Everest is a 'fecal time bomb.'

Well ain't that the ####.

 

[Terminalxylem]

So carry it further?

Easy to say from our vantage point, but there ain’t exactly state of the art sewage facilities in remote Himalayan villages. And asking extra poop porters to tag along will only add to the congestion on the mountain. Not to mention the extra excrement they produce.

 

[Terminalxylem]

I have climbed three 14ers. Mt. Massive being one of them, which i think is third highest and one of the longer ones too. Had no issues. 

When i tried climbing quandary, which is much easier, i got terrible altitude sickness. I thought i was going to die. Couldnt see, lots of vomiting, it was just brutal. After about 12 hours in the room in breckenridge, we got in the car and drove toward denver to get lower.

As we approached idaho springs it was like a switch flipped and i felt so much better. Was dehydrated from the puking and not being able to drink water, but just night and day. 

Its crazy what elevation can do and it is unpredictable af. 

Yep, I had no problem on Longs, but got my a$$ kicked on the incline in CO Springs, after coming from sea level to ~7000 ft. But that was just poor conditioning. As far as actual mountain sickness, I’ve been lucky to experience only slight headaches and nausea up to 17000.

My friend almost passed out in Telluride around 8000 ft; we had  a portable O2 sat monitor that read in the 70s. I’m certain he had early HAPE.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Yep, I had no problem on Longs, but got my a$$ kicked on the incline in CO Springs, after coming from sea level to ~7000 ft. But that was just poor conditioning. As far as actual mountain sickness, I’ve been lucky to experience only slight headaches and nausea up to 17000.

My friend almost passed out in Telluride around 8000 ft; we had  a portable O2 sat monitor that read in the 70s. I’m certain he had early HAPE.

Was at 12000 feet two weeks before with zero issues. Felt sick right at the start at quandary. I think it is because all the other times i was at altitude i never slept or hung out any higher than 7000 ft prior to climbing. Stayed in breckenridge this time though, so i think it was the amount of time at that level. 

 

[Chaka]

Easy to say from our vantage point, but there ain’t exactly state of the art sewage facilities in remote Himalayan villages. And asking extra poop porters to tag along will only add to the congestion on the mountain. Not to mention the extra excrement they produce.

So much for leave only footprints.

 

[Terminalxylem]

So much for leave only footprints.

Yeah, each mountaineer should be responsible for hauling their own excrement. And gear, for that matter. Bet it would limit fatalities as hauling all that stuff is a PITA.

 

[lod001]

Climbed Mt Yale, near Cottonwood Lake,  when I was a teenager. Started before dark and did not get back until after dark. Had to stop numerous times because of the thin air and that peak is only 14k. Got real close to the summit but didn't because a storm rolled in. No idea how cold it got but I was in shorts huddled under rocks as the lightning was hitting all around us. Temp dropped like a rock. Must have got hypothermia because I freaked out and took off down the mountain well ahead of the guides. Ended up blowing it out my ###, once I got to the treeline. I guess from the hypothermia. Guides caught up about an hour later. There were also some freaky animals up above the treeline in the snow. Guides did not know what they were but looked like groundhogs.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Yep, it's ridiculous that people think summiting is easy. Even with the best equipment, sherpas, etc., doing anything at high altitude is extremely difficult.

I was just at Pike's Peak a few days ago. You can drive to the summit, but a fair number of people were seated with their heads in their hands, nauseated and dizzy from the altitude. And that's less than half the height of Everest. 

A couple years back, we were up at the top of Mt. Evans doing some hiking.  I said something mildly humorous and we all laughed hysterically like we were stoned.  We couldn't stop laughing.  Then came the horrible headaches.  I was like, "We need to get back to the car before we get sick."  When we reached the car, everyone rolled up their windows and waited for normalcy to return.  After about 5 minutes, my buddy goes, "Wait.  How is sitting in a car giving us more oxygen than being outside?"  We all had that moment of "Wait.  What?"  Then broke out in more laughter.  When we finally got down the mountain,  we all started feeling better except for the pounding headache and nausea.  I can only assume we had started to get altitude sickness.

And, yeah, like you said, that's only at 14,000 feet.  Crazy.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Climbed Mt Yale, near Cottonwood Lake,  when I was a teenager. Started before dark and did not get back until after dark. Had to stop numerous times because of the thin air and that peak is only 14k. Got real close to the summit but didn't because a storm rolled in. No idea how cold it got but I was in shorts huddled under rocks as the lightning was hitting all around us. Temp dropped like a rock. Must have got hypothermia because I freaked out and took off down the mountain well ahead of the guides. Ended up blowing it out my ###, once I got to the treeline. I guess from the hypothermia. Guides caught up about an hour later. There were also some freaky animals up above the treeline in the snow. Guides did not know what they were but looked like groundhogs.

Pikas? 

 

[WDIK2]

Climbed Mt Yale, near Cottonwood Lake,  when I was a teenager. Started before dark and did not get back until after dark. Had to stop numerous times because of the thin air and that peak is only 14k. Got real close to the summit but didn't because a storm rolled in. No idea how cold it got but I was in shorts huddled under rocks as the lightning was hitting all around us. Temp dropped like a rock. Must have got hypothermia because I freaked out and took off down the mountain well ahead of the guides. Ended up blowing it out my ###, once I got to the treeline. I guess from the hypothermia. Guides caught up about an hour later. There were also some freaky animals up above the treeline in the snow. Guides did not know what they were but looked like groundhogs.

Pikas? 

I'm thinking marmots.  I would think guides would know what they were.

 

[Redwes25]

Maybe I am heartless but I completely agree with this well thought out article.  You decide to climb Everest you are putting your life at risk and if you die it is on you.  I would be super pissed if someone died trying to save one of these idiots.

https://www.theonion.com/world-populace-actually-fine-with-rich-people-dying-on-1835075562

 

[Chaka]

Maybe I am heartless but I completely agree with this well thought out article.  You decide to climb Everest you are putting your life at risk and if you die it is on you.  I would be super pissed if someone died trying to save one of these idiots.

https://www.theonion.com/world-populace-actually-fine-with-rich-people-dying-on-1835075562

Maybe because I agree but that doesn't read like an Onion article.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I have climbed three 14ers. Mt. Massive being one of them, which i think is third highest and one of the longer ones too. Had no issues. 

When i tried climbing quandary, which is much easier, i got terrible altitude sickness. I thought i was going to die. Couldnt see, lots of vomiting, it was just brutal. After about 12 hours in the room in breckenridge, we got in the car and drove toward denver to get lower.

As we approached idaho springs it was like a switch flipped and i felt so much better. Was dehydrated from the puking and not being able to drink water, but just night and day. 

Its crazy what elevation can do and it is unpredictable af. 

I have wondered whether those over the counter oxygen canisters would offer any relief for altitude sickness as one is doing what needs to be done, which is getting lower.  Has anybody tried them?  I have thought about maybe keeping a few around for out of state guests who are not acclimating well to Colorado's altitude.  Certainly cheaper than an oxygen concentrator but they can't really hold more than two or three minutes of breaths, so how effective could they really be?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Climbed Mt Yale, near Cottonwood Lake,  when I was a teenager. Started before dark and did not get back until after dark. Had to stop numerous times because of the thin air and that peak is only 14k. Got real close to the summit but didn't because a storm rolled in. No idea how cold it got but I was in shorts huddled under rocks as the lightning was hitting all around us. Temp dropped like a rock. Must have got hypothermia because I freaked out and took off down the mountain well ahead of the guides. Ended up blowing it out my ###, once I got to the treeline. I guess from the hypothermia. Guides caught up about an hour later. There were also some freaky animals up above the treeline in the snow. Guides did not know what they were but looked like groundhogs.

Marmots.  I would question guides who did not recognize them.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I live at 6700 feet of elevation and sleep at 9200 on most weekends and spend those weekend days going higher, often to 12000 feet.  I never experience altitude sickness anymore at any of those levels but I certainly notice a shortness of breath when working hard above 10,000 feet or so.  I have experienced some when going higher, trying t0o summit 14ers, not always, but occasionally.  I find the impediment to summiting 14ers is lightening and sudden storms.  I do not want to be the one that has to be pulled off of one of our Mountains by Mountain Rescue.  I turn back when the weather barks. 

 

[lod001]

Marmots.  I would question guides who did not recognize them.

Of course, that was 40 years ago so they may have said that word and I was like, I have no idea what that is. I could be misremembering that part.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Of course, that was 40 years ago so they may have said that word and I was like, I have no idea what that is. I could be misremembering that part.

They are engaging little animals.  Disease ridden as I understand it, but quite engaging and very willing to pose for photos.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

https://www.theonion.com/world-populace-actually-fine-with-rich-people-dying-on-1835075562

We are probably better off with their families now having that money. Even if some of them just blow it all in Vegas.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Climbed Mt Yale, near Cottonwood Lake,  when I was a teenager. Started before dark and did not get back until after dark. Had to stop numerous times because of the thin air and that peak is only 14k. Got real close to the summit but didn't because a storm rolled in. No idea how cold it got but I was in shorts huddled under rocks as the lightning was hitting all around us. Temp dropped like a rock. Must have got hypothermia because I freaked out and took off down the mountain well ahead of the guides. Ended up blowing it out my ###, once I got to the treeline. I guess from the hypothermia. Guides caught up about an hour later. There were also some freaky animals up above the treeline in the snow. Guides did not know what they were but looked like groundhogs.

They were marmots if house cat-sized, pikas if mousey with big ears.

 

[Terminalxylem]

They are engaging little animals.  Disease ridden as I understand it, but quite engaging and very willing to pose for photos.

Along with ravens, they are notorious for getting into packs, etc. scavenging for food. Plus they chew wires and hoses under cars.

To my knowledge, they don’t carry any diseases humans should worry about.

ETA I see some Mongolians contracted plague from eating marmots, but that ain’t a problem in the US except in the 4 corners area, where fleas on ground squirrels are the culprits.

 

[glock]

Is it named for the dead body with green boots that has been used for years as a navigational landmark?  That dead hiker was discussed in the Krakauer book, Into Thin Air.  I think they removed that body a few years ago

Green Boots

 

[cashman88]

Video shows crowded mountain

 

[Zow]

scaled twice, not summited - believe she was most successful second time around. the third attempt was in the offing when last i spoke to her, but she went off the grid for a couple years and i never found out how it all went. 

she was a very sporty/outdoorsy type, which belied her "alterna-rock goddess" poses - those kids from the PNW, ya know?  what with their penchant for biking everywhere - the huge B'klyn influx around that time altered the City's traffic scape forever - us natives never rode bikes past the age of 12/13 - the only adults zippin' around on two wheels were messengers back in our day. 

####### blows now. 

I think you forgot to say, "nufced"

 

[culdeus]

Video shows crowded mountain

I think this is the same video as a few days ago? Or something from today?  Hard to tell since they all wear the same thing more or less?

 

[TheIronSheik]

I find it odd that there are some people in this world who are upset about people's lives being in danger because of overcrowding.  

One, they are going willingly.  Two, if people don't understand it's extremely dangerous, it's probably a good way to weed out the stupids.  

 

[Rodrigo Duterte]

K2

 

[TheIronSheik]

K2

K12 is much crazier.  As I said in another thread, back in the 80's I saw a dude ski down the mountain on one ski.

 

[parasaurolophus]

K12 is much crazier.  As I said in another thread, back in the 80's I saw a dude ski down the mountain on one ski.

Permits are only two dollars also.

 

[parasaurolophus]

I find it odd that there are some people in this world who are upset about people's lives being in danger because of overcrowding.  

One, they are going willingly.  Two, if people don't understand it's extremely dangerous, it's probably a good way to weed out the stupids.  

I dint think people are that upset about stupid people dying. I think they are more upset because some non stupid people are at risk because of these people and nobody wants a mountain littered with dead bodies. 

 

[culdeus]

I dint think people are that upset about stupid people dying. I think they are more upset because some non stupid people are at risk because of these people and nobody wants a mountain littered with dead bodies. 

And poop

 

[TheIronSheik]

I dint think people are that upset about stupid people dying. I think they are more upset because some non stupid people are at risk because of these people and nobody wants a mountain littered with dead bodies. 

I get what you're saying, but I'm just trying to say that there's an inherent risk of death when climbing that mountain.  

 

[Scoresman]

Stepping over dying people minding my own business pretty much describes my commute to San Francisco everyday.  I should give this a shot.

 

[culdeus]

Stepping over dying people minding my own business pretty much describes my commute to San Francisco everyday.  I should give this a shot.

And they too live in tents.