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[EBF]

There are a few minor inconsistencies, but by and large every player that "Allan" drafted in BYB4 was someone that Aquil rated higher than most.

At this point I think it's HIGHLY likely that they're the same dude.

http://football4.myfantasyleague.com/2010/...;FRANCHISE=0013

1.09 9. BALLZofSTEEL Stewart, Jonathan CAR RB Wed Mar 3 7:12:02 p.m. ET 2010 105.30

3.04 32. BALLZofSTEEL Finley, Jermichael GBP TE Thu Mar 4 2:17:31 a.m. ET 2010 67.60 with Grizz taking 2 TEs, i thought i would have missed out on Finley, would have taken him at 2.06 if i didn't move down.

3.09 37. BALLZofSTEEL Wells, Chris ARI RB Thu Mar 4 10:28:56 a.m. ET 2010 64.10 I just traded Gore for Beanie pkg in one league yesterday. Going against the consensus thinking once again!! top-10 RB in 2010.

4.04 46. BALLZofSTEEL Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR Thu Mar 4 4:31:28 p.m. ET 2010 228.00

4.09 51. BALLZofSTEEL Harvin, Percy MIN WR Thu Mar 4 5:24:29 p.m. ET 2010 204.50 Pick via email

7.06 90. BALLZofSTEEL Meachem, Robert NOS WR Fri Mar 5 3:45:42 p.m. ET 2010 139.20

7.09 93. BALLZofSTEEL Flacco, Joe BAL QB Fri Mar 5 7:38:05 p.m. ET 2010 277.50 as a Flacco owner in 4 other lgs, Boldin trade is huge, now draft a TE!!!

9.11 123. BALLZofSTEEL Knox, Johnny CHI WR Sat Mar 6 2:26:10 p.m. ET 2010 175.20 gut call - this is the wr to have in martz offense

10.11 137. BALLZofSTEEL Schilens, Chaz OAK WR Sun Mar 7 9:25:48 a.m. ET 2010 15.00

10.12 138. BALLZofSTEEL Hightower, Tim ARI RB Sun Mar 7 10:30:03 a.m. ET 2010 130.20

11.03 143. BALLZofSTEEL Maroney, Laurence DEN RB Sun Mar 7 2:27:28 p.m. ET 2010 16.40

11.14 154. BALLZofSTEEL Bryant, Antonio FA* WR Sun Mar 7 6:06:17 p.m. ET 2010 -

12.06 160. BALLZofSTEEL Robinson, Laurent STL WR Sun Mar 7 11:28:05 p.m. ET 2010 79.00

12.08 162. BALLZofSTEEL Young, Vince TEN QB Sun Mar 7 11:49:26 p.m. ET 2010 104.25

13.03 171. BALLZofSTEEL * Graham, Jimmy FA XX Mon Mar 8 3:09:13 p.m. ET 2010 - This is Jimmy Graham, TE Miami Replacement pick made by Commissioner

18.06 244. BALLZofSTEEL * Pitta, Dennis FA XX Tue Mar 9 11:43:20 p.m. ET 2010 - Dennis Pitta, TE BYU Replacement pick made by Commissioner

18.09 247. BALLZofSTEEL * Graham, Garrett FA XX Tue Mar 9 11:53:27 p.m. ET 2010 - Garrett Graham, TE Wisconsin Replacement pick made by Commissioner

19.03 255. BALLZofSTEEL Nelson, Shawn BUF TE Wed Mar 10 2:47:11 p.m. ET 2010 5.00

19.09 261. BALLZofSTEEL Johnson, Larry FA* RB Wed Mar 10 4:07:40 p.m. ET 2010 0.20

20.06 272. BALLZofSTEEL Dolphins, Miami MIA Def Wed Mar 10 5:37:59 p.m. ET 2010 167.00

21.09 289. BALLZofSTEEL Vick, Michael PHI QB Thu Mar 11 11:02:30 a.m. ET 2010 346.50

22.06 300. BALLZofSTEEL Ware, Danny NYG RB Thu Mar 11 8:10:39 p.m. ET 2010 21.00

 

[wakelawyer]

I have no stake in this one way or the other and I'm not licensed to practice in California and am not offering legal advice but three thoughts come to mind as I read this if someone is considering litigation:

1) there could be two separate sets of plaintiffs with two different legal theories. The first group could seek repayment of winnings and deposits. The other group, comprised of people that did not win this year, could seek repayment of deposits plus return of the entry fee on a fraud type theory. The argument would be that he never intended to pay the winners and therefore obtained the entry fee through fraud. The theories are distinct and contradictory and I do not believe that they would both prevail in the same action.

2) if someone has Allan's address, I do not see why he would not be named as a defendant as well. He may be able to establish that he does not have liability but I think that there is a non-frivolous argument that, by assuming the role of co-commissioner, he assumed the obligation to insure that owners would get paid.

3) has anyone figured out if fantasy football is considered illegal gambling in California?

 

[flc735]

if we gain nothing else from this experience, at least we know we could open one hell of a detective firm!

 

[BeTheMatch]

At this point I think it's HIGHLY likely that they're the same dude.

I've always sort of wondered if they were the same guy too because of how similar they've sounded in emails. Also, the RoyDubb user name used by "Alan" was pretty much never used on here, while the Kremenull handle was very active. With as active as "Alan" was in the league and on email, I found it weird that he never posted on FBG.But here's the kicker... I hope you're all sitting down for this.I was the commish of a league that they were both in a couple years back. So with all this recent talk, I just checked my PayPal history, and guess what I found?I got a payment from Aquil's oak_assassin@yahoo.com address but the payment was twice the entry fee. There was a note tied to the transaction, and the note explained how the payment was for both Aquil's entry fee and Alan's.Done deal. It's over. It's the same ######## guy. Which also means that he's continuing to lie to us right up to this very moment.Which means the gloves are coming off. I can guarantee you this: He's picked the wrong guy to screw with here. This isn't some Internet Tough Guy routine. It's just fact. I won't take this. I'm half-crazy. I won't rest until this is rectified. I've got the time and the motivation. Aquil will rue the day. That's a promise.

 

[BeTheMatch]

What this means, of course, is that even when Aquil wasn't stealing our money, he was stealing our money by owning (at least) two teams in leagues and trading with himself. Unreal. Game on, boys! Game on!!!!

 

[boxers]

Not sure whether they are the same person or not.

Allan Fernando had a verified paypal address in June 2009.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Not sure whether they are the same person or not.Allan Fernando had a verified paypal address in June 2009.

That doesn't mean anything. I have a personal one and another one I used for my business. So it's not impossible for the same person to have more than one PayPal account. You just have to have different banking accounts/credit cards.

 

[KGB]

wow guys. really sucks. Hope you make his life hell;

 

[Donsmith753]

I'm half-crazy.

Why stop there? Go whole crazy

 

[fruity pebbles]

Not sure whether they are the same person or not.Allan Fernando had a verified paypal address in June 2009.

That doesn't mean anything. I have a personal one and another one I used for my business. So it's not impossible for the same person to have more than one PayPal account. You just have to have different banking accounts/credit cards.

Hard to open a paypal account under a false name though isnt it?

 

[BeTheMatch]

Not sure whether they are the same person or not.Allan Fernando had a verified paypal address in June 2009.

That doesn't mean anything. I have a personal one and another one I used for my business. So it's not impossible for the same person to have more than one PayPal account. You just have to have different banking accounts/credit cards.

Hard to open a paypal account under a false name though isnt it?

No, I have one open under a business name that isn't even a person's name.

 

[broncofan13000]

At this point I think it's HIGHLY likely that they're the same dude.

I've always sort of wondered if they were the same guy too because of how similar they've sounded in emails. Also, the RoyDubb user name used by "Alan" was pretty much never used on here, while the Kremenull handle was very active. With as active as "Alan" was in the league and on email, I found it weird that he never posted on FBG.But here's the kicker... I hope you're all sitting down for this.

I was the commish of a league that they were both in a couple years back. So with all this recent talk, I just checked my PayPal history, and guess what I found?

I got a payment from Aquil's oak_assassin@yahoo.com address but the payment was twice the entry fee. There was a note tied to the transaction, and the note explained how the payment was for both Aquil's entry fee and Alan's.

Done deal. It's over. It's the same ######## guy. Which also means that he's continuing to lie to us right up to this very moment.

Which means the gloves are coming off. I can guarantee you this: He's picked the wrong guy to screw with here. This isn't some Internet Tough Guy routine. It's just fact. I won't take this. I'm half-crazy. I won't rest until this is rectified. I've got the time and the motivation. Aquil will rue the day. That's a promise.

 

[Invictus~Bronte]

At this point I think it's HIGHLY likely that they're the same dude.

I've always sort of wondered if they were the same guy too because of how similar they've sounded in emails. Also, the RoyDubb user name used by "Alan" was pretty much never used on here, while the Kremenull handle was very active. With as active as "Alan" was in the league and on email, I found it weird that he never posted on FBG.But here's the kicker... I hope you're all sitting down for this.I was the commish of a league that they were both in a couple years back. So with all this recent talk, I just checked my PayPal history, and guess what I found?I got a payment from Aquil's oak_assassin@yahoo.com address but the payment was twice the entry fee. There was a note tied to the transaction, and the note explained how the payment was for both Aquil's entry fee and Alan's.Done deal. It's over. It's the same ######## guy. Which also means that he's continuing to lie to us right up to this very moment.Which means the gloves are coming off. I can guarantee you this: He's picked the wrong guy to screw with here. This isn't some Internet Tough Guy routine. It's just fact. I won't take this. I'm half-crazy. I won't rest until this is rectified. I've got the time and the motivation. Aquil will rue the day. That's a promise.

This is even more disturbing that this was a continual, premeditated swindling with taking double teams, alias' and then embezzling. He also had a great deal of time at work on his hands to keep up the charade.

 

[D'OHtis]

Wow. Sorry to hear about this folks. Just saw this thread. (Haven't read a lot of it yet and a lot of this probably's been covered)

I dropped out of the Presidential Dynasty Suite dynasty last offseason (due to the belief Aquil/Allan were the same person). I even sent a few emails to myself in case it came to fruition at a later time. I really didn't want to create a big scene in the league with that belief -- though I was really certain of it.

Couple things that tipped me off was that I'd get trade offers from Allan/Aquil for the same players at the same time. (Or I'd reject an Aquil offer and then Allan would then offer another deal for same players shortly thereafter). It happened a handful of times. (Even in bit player deals). Also in a couple email exchanges, he'd use the same slang terms (Much Peace...or something to that extent)

Unless the two openly discuss trade offers/fantasy football often, I wouldn't be certain that Allan/Aquil aren't one in the same.

Hope you guys get a resolution to this.

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Edit: And I found a Sept '09 email to myself noting why I thought Aquil & Da Punisher (believe Allan's name at time) were 1-in-same. Noting that their trade offers (same players) were moments apart. (Particularly the similar bit player deals I was offered)

Hope I'm wrong they're two different people, but having a strong sense they were one in the same about a year and a half ago. Even if 2 different people, hard to me to believe something fishy isn't/wasn't going on there.

Edit: I don't recall any lopsided deals in Prez1 last year. League had a # of savy owners -- so don't think it would have been just swept under the rug. Want to say maybe they made a deal involving Felix Jones (?). It certainly wasn't bad enough to suspect collusion (was fair deal for both parties).

 

[thetman]

I hope this cheating thief gets exposed as much as possible so he can't find a league anymore.

 

[comfortably numb]

Wouldn't shock me if he is currently in other leagues now.

All the reason, I think this should be in the SP, along with this board.

With the 1st post edited with names, email addresses and any other info exposed.

If this guy is in your league, wouldn't you want to know about it?

Chances are, being the offseason, you may never know about this situation.

I really think FBG has dropped the ball on this thread.

FBG has a known criminal on their boards, and should do everything possible to ensure their honest members are not taken advantage of some more.

I know the SP is for NFL and FF talk and all, but there are times where circumstances supersede policy.

The only people who know where this thread is, are the people who are following it, anyone who hasn't checked in daily when this was in the SP, will be oblivious to the thread.

This isn't a local league that got hosed.

It's a guy who exploited and used this very board to solicit victims.

The detective work, and events that have unfolded since post 1 are a good reason this thread should be seen by as many people as possible...if anything to deter anyone who may come up with a similar scheme....or worst, currently in plans to do the same thing now...

 

[Ack88]

Wow. This guys is really a jerk. I have a lot of empathy for anyone who was swindled in this scheme. Find this guy and punish him to the full extent of the law.

 

[Patoons]

There are a few minor inconsistencies, but by and large every player that "Allan" drafted in BYB4 was someone that Aquil rated higher than most.

At this point I think it's HIGHLY likely that they're the same dude.

http://football4.myfantasyleague.com/2010/...;FRANCHISE=0013

1.09 9. BALLZofSTEEL Stewart, Jonathan CAR RB Wed Mar 3 7:12:02 p.m. ET 2010 105.30

3.04 32. BALLZofSTEEL Finley, Jermichael GBP TE Thu Mar 4 2:17:31 a.m. ET 2010 67.60 with Grizz taking 2 TEs, i thought i would have missed out on Finley, would have taken him at 2.06 if i didn't move down.

3.09 37. BALLZofSTEEL Wells, Chris ARI RB Thu Mar 4 10:28:56 a.m. ET 2010 64.10 I just traded Gore for Beanie pkg in one league yesterday. Going against the consensus thinking once again!! top-10 RB in 2010.

4.04 46. BALLZofSTEEL Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR Thu Mar 4 4:31:28 p.m. ET 2010 228.00

4.09 51. BALLZofSTEEL Harvin, Percy MIN WR Thu Mar 4 5:24:29 p.m. ET 2010 204.50 Pick via email

7.06 90. BALLZofSTEEL Meachem, Robert NOS WR Fri Mar 5 3:45:42 p.m. ET 2010 139.20

7.09 93. BALLZofSTEEL Flacco, Joe BAL QB Fri Mar 5 7:38:05 p.m. ET 2010 277.50 as a Flacco owner in 4 other lgs, Boldin trade is huge, now draft a TE!!!

9.11 123. BALLZofSTEEL Knox, Johnny CHI WR Sat Mar 6 2:26:10 p.m. ET 2010 175.20 gut call - this is the wr to have in martz offense

10.11 137. BALLZofSTEEL Schilens, Chaz OAK WR Sun Mar 7 9:25:48 a.m. ET 2010 15.00

10.12 138. BALLZofSTEEL Hightower, Tim ARI RB Sun Mar 7 10:30:03 a.m. ET 2010 130.20

11.03 143. BALLZofSTEEL Maroney, Laurence DEN RB Sun Mar 7 2:27:28 p.m. ET 2010 16.40

11.14 154. BALLZofSTEEL Bryant, Antonio FA* WR Sun Mar 7 6:06:17 p.m. ET 2010 -

12.06 160. BALLZofSTEEL Robinson, Laurent STL WR Sun Mar 7 11:28:05 p.m. ET 2010 79.00

12.08 162. BALLZofSTEEL Young, Vince TEN QB Sun Mar 7 11:49:26 p.m. ET 2010 104.25

13.03 171. BALLZofSTEEL * Graham, Jimmy FA XX Mon Mar 8 3:09:13 p.m. ET 2010 - This is Jimmy Graham, TE Miami Replacement pick made by Commissioner

18.06 244. BALLZofSTEEL * Pitta, Dennis FA XX Tue Mar 9 11:43:20 p.m. ET 2010 - Dennis Pitta, TE BYU Replacement pick made by Commissioner

18.09 247. BALLZofSTEEL * Graham, Garrett FA XX Tue Mar 9 11:53:27 p.m. ET 2010 - Garrett Graham, TE Wisconsin Replacement pick made by Commissioner

19.03 255. BALLZofSTEEL Nelson, Shawn BUF TE Wed Mar 10 2:47:11 p.m. ET 2010 5.00

19.09 261. BALLZofSTEEL Johnson, Larry FA* RB Wed Mar 10 4:07:40 p.m. ET 2010 0.20

20.06 272. BALLZofSTEEL Dolphins, Miami MIA Def Wed Mar 10 5:37:59 p.m. ET 2010 167.00

21.09 289. BALLZofSTEEL Vick, Michael PHI QB Thu Mar 11 11:02:30 a.m. ET 2010 346.50

22.06 300. BALLZofSTEEL Ware, Danny NYG RB Thu Mar 11 8:10:39 p.m. ET 2010 21.00

Joe B is saying different IPs for the FBG handle that signed up with Allan and Kremenull... that's the one thing that gets me.

 

[fsufan]

There are a few minor inconsistencies, but by and large every player that "Allan" drafted in BYB4 was someone that Aquil rated higher than most.

At this point I think it's HIGHLY likely that they're the same dude.

http://football4.myfantasyleague.com/2010/...;FRANCHISE=0013

1.09 9. BALLZofSTEEL Stewart, Jonathan CAR RB Wed Mar 3 7:12:02 p.m. ET 2010 105.30

3.04 32. BALLZofSTEEL Finley, Jermichael GBP TE Thu Mar 4 2:17:31 a.m. ET 2010 67.60 with Grizz taking 2 TEs, i thought i would have missed out on Finley, would have taken him at 2.06 if i didn't move down.

3.09 37. BALLZofSTEEL Wells, Chris ARI RB Thu Mar 4 10:28:56 a.m. ET 2010 64.10 I just traded Gore for Beanie pkg in one league yesterday. Going against the consensus thinking once again!! top-10 RB in 2010.

4.04 46. BALLZofSTEEL Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR Thu Mar 4 4:31:28 p.m. ET 2010 228.00

4.09 51. BALLZofSTEEL Harvin, Percy MIN WR Thu Mar 4 5:24:29 p.m. ET 2010 204.50 Pick via email

7.06 90. BALLZofSTEEL Meachem, Robert NOS WR Fri Mar 5 3:45:42 p.m. ET 2010 139.20

7.09 93. BALLZofSTEEL Flacco, Joe BAL QB Fri Mar 5 7:38:05 p.m. ET 2010 277.50 as a Flacco owner in 4 other lgs, Boldin trade is huge, now draft a TE!!!

9.11 123. BALLZofSTEEL Knox, Johnny CHI WR Sat Mar 6 2:26:10 p.m. ET 2010 175.20 gut call - this is the wr to have in martz offense

10.11 137. BALLZofSTEEL Schilens, Chaz OAK WR Sun Mar 7 9:25:48 a.m. ET 2010 15.00

10.12 138. BALLZofSTEEL Hightower, Tim ARI RB Sun Mar 7 10:30:03 a.m. ET 2010 130.20

11.03 143. BALLZofSTEEL Maroney, Laurence DEN RB Sun Mar 7 2:27:28 p.m. ET 2010 16.40

11.14 154. BALLZofSTEEL Bryant, Antonio FA* WR Sun Mar 7 6:06:17 p.m. ET 2010 -

12.06 160. BALLZofSTEEL Robinson, Laurent STL WR Sun Mar 7 11:28:05 p.m. ET 2010 79.00

12.08 162. BALLZofSTEEL Young, Vince TEN QB Sun Mar 7 11:49:26 p.m. ET 2010 104.25

13.03 171. BALLZofSTEEL * Graham, Jimmy FA XX Mon Mar 8 3:09:13 p.m. ET 2010 - This is Jimmy Graham, TE Miami Replacement pick made by Commissioner

18.06 244. BALLZofSTEEL * Pitta, Dennis FA XX Tue Mar 9 11:43:20 p.m. ET 2010 - Dennis Pitta, TE BYU Replacement pick made by Commissioner

18.09 247. BALLZofSTEEL * Graham, Garrett FA XX Tue Mar 9 11:53:27 p.m. ET 2010 - Garrett Graham, TE Wisconsin Replacement pick made by Commissioner

19.03 255. BALLZofSTEEL Nelson, Shawn BUF TE Wed Mar 10 2:47:11 p.m. ET 2010 5.00

19.09 261. BALLZofSTEEL Johnson, Larry FA* RB Wed Mar 10 4:07:40 p.m. ET 2010 0.20

20.06 272. BALLZofSTEEL Dolphins, Miami MIA Def Wed Mar 10 5:37:59 p.m. ET 2010 167.00

21.09 289. BALLZofSTEEL Vick, Michael PHI QB Thu Mar 11 11:02:30 a.m. ET 2010 346.50

22.06 300. BALLZofSTEEL Ware, Danny NYG RB Thu Mar 11 8:10:39 p.m. ET 2010 21.00

Joe B is saying different IPs for the FBG handle that signed up with Allan and Kremenull... that's the one thing that gets me.

could he have signed up at work for one FBG ID and the other at home

 

[Mister CIA]

Joe B is saying different IPs for the FBG handle that signed up with Allan and Kremenull... that's the one thing that gets me.

What was the other SP user ID used by Allen? Reading above, I gather Allen was not too active on the FBG boards, so it's not too difficult to imagine he exercised a little discipline and, say, used only on ID from work and another from home just by simply VPN-ing into and out of company network. Also, I'm pretty sure I exchanged a few emails with him the were sent from his iphone. I participated in a dynasty start-up this year with "both" players. I also suspected that they were one and the same. They only made one trade, which looked pretty harmless on paper, but it was during the draft where it's pretty common to want to move up a few spots to get the player you want. Both teams drafted with an extreme emphasis on youth and did not perform so well, as one might expect, but now it's clear what he was doing. ...Imagine having two young teams and you trade all the picks that pan out to the "good" team, while the other team acts as a farm system. I'm fairly certain I could dominate a league in a year or two with that strategy.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

What's Allan's FBG handle?

 

[BeTheMatch]

What's Allan's FBG handle?

RoyDubb

 

[JohnnyU]

What's Allan's FBG handle?

I believe someone said it was RoyDubb.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Thanks.

 

[Mister CIA]

Open Team 1 inaugural draft from this past July. I'm pretty sure Open Team 1 is Kremenull because I recall his draft comments about Brent Celek and thought "how disgusting."

2.12 24 Open Team 1 Chris Wells ARI RB3.05 29 Open Team 1 A.J. Green NCAA WR4.03 39 Open Team 1 Vincent Jackson SDC WR4.05 41 Open Team 1 C.J. Spiller BUF RB ® 5.03 51 Open Team 1 Steve Smith NYG WR5.05 53 Open Team 1 Brent Celek PHI TE8.01 85 Open Team 1 Reggie Bush NOS RB9.03 99 Open Team 1 DeAndre Brown NCAA WR9.04 100 Open Team 1 Jeffret Alshon NCAA WR10.02 110 Open Team 1 Jermaine Greshem CIN TE ® 10.10 118 Open Team 1 Carson Palmer CIN QB12.03 135 Open Team 1 Jacoby Jones HOU WR12.12 144 Open Team 1 James Jones GBP WR13.05 149 Open Team 1 Chaz Schilens OAK WR13.10 154 Open Team 1 Bernard Scott CIN RB16.03 183 Open Team 1 Tashard Choice DAL RB17.10 202 Open Team 1 Legedu Naanee SDC WR18.12 216 Open Team 1 Matt Hasselbeck SEA QB19.10 226 Open Team 1 Lynell Hamilton NOS RB20.03 231 Open Team 1 Deji Karim JAC RB ® 21.10 250 Open Team 1 Ed Dickson BAL TE ® 22.03 255 Open Team 1 Oakland Raiders OAK Def22.12 264 Open Team 1 Sebastian Janikowski OAK PK24.03 279 Open Team 1 Nate Davis FA QB Comments:

about Beanie Wells: Beginning in 2011, Beanie will show-and-prove that he is 93% Adrian Pete......

about A.J. Green: College Developmental Player A.J. Green WR Georgia.......I gotta strike first, as usual. I know many of you thought you'd get him a bit later, sorry to disappoint but my belief is that he's even better than Crabtree and Dez, and makes an instant NFL impact enroute to a star-studded career....How U Like Me Now!.....

about Vincent Jackson: Thanks A Whole Helluva Lot For This One, Guys!......If no holdout (which I believe), this is easily the S.O.D.!

about Steve Smith: The black Wes Welker.....

about Brent Celek: Will become for Kolb what Witten is to Romo.....only a few years younger, faster, and more athletic.....KOOL AID!....SLUUUUUUURRRP!...

 

[Mister CIA]

Open Team 2 draft by Dr. Kane, or whoever.

3.01 25 Open Team 2 DeSean Jackson PHI WR3.02 26 Open Team 2 Sidney Rice MIN WR3.08 32 Open Team 2 Michael Floyd NCAA WR3.11 35 Open Team 2 Trent Richardson NCAA RB4.08 44 Open Team 2 Ryan Williams NCAA RB4.11 47 Open Team 2 Jonathan Baldwin NCAA WR7.05 77 Open Team 2 Donald Brown IND RB7.08 80 Open Team 2 Demaryius Thomas DEN WR ® 8.02 86 Open Team 2 Mike Wallace PIT WR9.11 107 Open Team 2 Dustin Keller NYJ TE10.12 120 Open Team 2 Laurence Maroney DEN RB11.01 121 Open Team 2 Braylon Edwards NYJ WR11.1 130 Open Team 2 New York Jets NYJ Def12.02 134 Open Team 2 Mark Sanchez NYJ QB12.08 140 Open Team 2 Antonio Bryant FA* WR14.01 157 Open Team 2 Brandon Tate NEP WR17.03 195 Open Team 2 Shawn Nelson BUF TE18.1 214 Open Team 2 Mike Thomas JAC WR19.03 219 Open Team 2 Jordy Nelson GBP WR20.1 238 Open Team 2 Martellus Bennett DAL TE21.03 243 Open Team 2 Larry Johnson FA* RB22.1 262 Open Team 2 Tarvaris Jackson MIN QB23.03 267 Open Team 2 Danny Ware NYG RB24.1 286 Open Team 2 Willis McGahee BAL RBComments:

about Donald Brown: I think I could have used my 8.02 on Brown, but oh well.......

about Demaryius Thomas: too many guys questioning Demaryius i guess, i think some have totally missed the boat on this one....

about Dustin Keller: Thank you guys - DK for Dustin Keller . The last stud TE!!

about Laurence Maroney: Hopefully he pulls a Benson or TJones with a new team next year...

about Mark Sanchez: the most underrated dynasty QB...

The one trade between the two teams:Open Team 1 trades: 4.08, 4.12, 8.08, 11.01, 11.10Open Team 2 trades: 4.05, 5.03, 9.03, 11.03, 12.12Not sure what to make of the trade. Kind of looks like a mini-panic to move up and draft Vincent Jackson.I omitted the timestamps from the draft details above. Now I kind of wonder if they might reveal a pattern. Hmmm

 

[No Way Jose]

I wood thEnk Da cre8tive wayz to spell common words in thair screen names/emails is Enuff evidence they R the same person.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Wouldn't shock me if he is currently in other leagues now.All the reason, I think this should be in the SP, along with this board.With the 1st post edited with names, email addresses and any other info exposed.If this guy is in your league, wouldn't you want to know about it?Chances are, being the offseason, you may never know about this situation.I really think FBG has dropped the ball on this thread.FBG has a known criminal on their boards, and should do everything possible to ensure their honest members are not taken advantage of some more.I know the SP is for NFL and FF talk and all, but there are times where circumstances supersede policy.The only people who know where this thread is, are the people who are following it, anyone who hasn't checked in daily when this was in the SP, will be oblivious to the thread.This isn't a local league that got hosed.It's a guy who exploited and used this very board to solicit victims.The detective work, and events that have unfolded since post 1 are a good reason this thread should be seen by as many people as possible...if anything to deter anyone who may come up with a similar scheme....or worst, currently in plans to do the same thing now...

Agreed. Why banish such an important topic to a barely-frequented part of the board?This issue is at the heart of what we do and why we do it. Pretty lame to bury it here.

 

[Northbound Train]

As an established commissioner, would you be offended if the owners in your league asked to use LeagueSafe even though you have obviously made payouts for years? I just wonder if it doesn't make sense for all leagues to use this. I had an instance 3 years ago where the commissioner died and his wife/son could not retrieve the funds from PayPal. I'm still not sure that was the case but I wasn't going to push it. I was out a lot of money. My point is though that things in life happen - death, families member sick, etc. I'm kind of thinking that it would make sense for all leagues to have some form of protection to mitigate the risk of anything happening. 3% really isn't much. I don't want to slap my longstanding commissioner's in the face by asking for this, but it would basically ensure no future happenings of this nature.

Not offended, no, and I wouldn't object, but it would be quite a pain to shift everything over when I have a process in place that works. In the grand scheme of things, 3% isn't really much, but why skim more off the top from established leagues (i.e., HA, Misfits) when the likelihood of an event like you described above is pretty remote. That's really the risk with the established leagues.In the leagues I'm currently in (HA and Misfits being some of them), I have no intentions of starting some discussion to move towards leaguesafe given the commishes are well established. What's done there has worked for the 6+ years I've participated. However, it's highly unlikely that I'll join a league without leaguesafe in the future after reading all this.

Setting up a League Safe league takes all of 10 minutes...create league, add Owners email addy's and that is it.It took me minutes to pay out all 4 of my leagues within the first 24 hrs of season ending....

 

[Northbound Train]

As an established commissioner, would you be offended if the owners in your league asked to use LeagueSafe even though you have obviously made payouts for years? I just wonder if it doesn't make sense for all leagues to use this. I had an instance 3 years ago where the commissioner died and his wife/son could not retrieve the funds from PayPal. I'm still not sure that was the case but I wasn't going to push it. I was out a lot of money. My point is though that things in life happen - death, families member sick, etc. I'm kind of thinking that it would make sense for all leagues to have some form of protection to mitigate the risk of anything happening. 3% really isn't much. I don't want to slap my longstanding commissioner's in the face by asking for this, but it would basically ensure no future happenings of this nature.

Not offended, no, and I wouldn't object, but it would be quite a pain to shift everything over when I have a process in place that works. In the grand scheme of things, 3% isn't really much, but why skim more off the top from established leagues (i.e., HA, Misfits) when the likelihood of an event like you described above is pretty remote. That's really the risk with the established leagues.In the leagues I'm currently in (HA and Misfits being some of them), I have no intentions of starting some discussion to move towards leaguesafe given the commishes are well established. What's done there has worked for the 6+ years I've participated. However, it's highly unlikely that I'll join a league without leaguesafe in the future after reading all this.

Duplicate post

 

[Northbound Train]

People keep mentioning a 3% fee with League Safe, but I didn't think there were any fees charged for using Charch's service. Are there certain instances ($ threshholds) where there are and others where there aren't fees?

Paypal is 1.5%, IIRC, which while nothing is half.

Paypal is actually 0% if you send the money as a "gift." But my question is that I didn't think LeagueSafe charged a fee, yet 3% has been mentioned in here a couple times. Anyone?

It's 3% if your league pays by CCYou can set it up where there is NO FEE if the entire league pays by e-check....I know for certain a few of my guys don't have a checking acct...cash only type of guys, so that is not an option for us...3% it is

 

[Northbound Train]

Has anyone confirmed that he has used this email to communicate in his FFL's:aquil.salahudeen@micrel.com

I just talked to someone in HR. They confirmed that he still works there. I gave them the whole story. They can't confirm whether his wages are being garnished or not, because that's something they handle in payroll, not HR. But they're very interested in this, and she was going to have the head of HR call me back soon.

Bout ####en time one of you guys stepped up

 

[Northbound Train]

So, a league Owner knows this guy is a degenerate gambler upon collecting for a Book and still plays in a league(s) of his

Wow....all I can is I'm surprised it took this long for this guy Aquil to eventually hit rock bottom and use/steal from wherever he could to pay the Book...

######ed all the way around

 

[Yitbos69]

not sure why this was moved it will get very little new views in this forum.....it's like they don't want this issue front and center...this should be in the shark pool...this issues is not about some guy asking for help with his lineup for looking to fill a spot in his league...it's about a very serious problem within the fantasy sports community and that makes this a SP thread IMO.

 

[Northbound Train]

not sure why this was moved it will get very little new views in this forum.....it's like they don't want this issue front and center...this should be in the shark pool...this issues is not about some guy asking for help with his lineup for looking to fill a spot in his league...it's about a very serious problem within the fantasy sports community and that makes this a SP thread IMO.

 

[Scooby1974]

not sure why this was moved it will get very little new views in this forum.....it's like they don't want this issue front and center...this should be in the shark pool...this issues is not about some guy asking for help with his lineup for looking to fill a spot in his league...it's about a very serious problem within the fantasy sports community and that makes this a SP thread IMO.

Two words. Bad Press.

 

[EBF]

I did a little more digging and looked over some posts by kremenull and RoyDubb. RoyDubb didn't post as frequently and mostly posted back in 2007-2008. His posts were a little more subdued than most of the kremenull posts, but I found enough similarities in their player preferences and writing styles to strengthen my suspicions that they're the same guy.

First off, it's important to note that RoyDubb joined FBG on April 1, 2007. kremenull joined FBG on June 13, 2007. That's a difference of only two months.

One of the consistent themes in RoyDubb's post is his enthusiasm for Detroit/Dallas WR Roy Williams.

Roy has had a typical career. He showed promise in his first and second year, before having a breakout year 3rd year. 4th year (before getting hurt in week 13) was on pace for 84-1150-6/7. 5th year was the major debacle in Detroit, traded mid-season, and there it was, a down year.

Roy is now entering the prime years for WRs (years 6 to 8). After being in the league for 5 years, now with a new team in Dallas, and with early reports of him working his tail off in the offseason (which is huge considering I believe his biggest downfall so far - he doesnt have the desire/work ethic/motivation to be great), I sure see big things from Roy in 2009. Roy has the talent to be an elite WR in this league as shown his 3rd, 4th year numbers.

You'll note that he uses CAPITALS for EMPHASIS and likes to use shorthand/nicknames like Roy W for Roy Williams. That's exactly how kremenull used to write.

I think the main point about RoyW is do you think he's a stud talent, wasted in a mess in Detroit. If i remember correctly after his breakout 3rd year, everyone was high on him and counting him like a top-5 dynasty WR. See Braylon Edwards after his 2007 campaign.

I personally think the main question with RoyW is his work ethic. If he figures it out, that he wants to be an ELITE WR, I think he can and will be in DALLAS. I wouldn't be surprised if he comes close to his 3rd year numbers - 80-1280-8.

i know tons of guys are Roy and Brown doubters. I just happen to think the EXACT opposite on these guys. I believe Brown is almost a lock for a top-10 finish this year, possibly higher. With Roy, I believe he will get 130+ targets in this offense, and can reach his 3rd year numbers back in Detroit (78-1250-8). Roy's a stud talent, going into his 5th year, with an explosive offense, i wont be surprised if he ends up in the top-10 in 2009.

What did our friend Aquil think about Roy W? Less than two months after "Allan" predicted a resurgence for Roy W, we got this gem:

The Cowboys will look to get Roy W involved early and often into the offense each week this year. After the release of Terrell Owens, the onus is on everyone in the organization, and you best believe that J.Jones' hints that Roy will be a big part of the offense will not go unnoticed by coaches and players (namely Romo), to prove that Roy is more than capable of being a #1 WR in this offense, and thus also justify his acquisition price.

I'm projecting 145 targets (+/- 5) for Roy W in '09 and am not a believer in the secondary WRs (Austin, Crayton, and others) in Dallas. So my bottom line stat projection is....

88 rec, 1245 yds, 8 TDs.

RoyDubb registered for FBG in April of 2007. At that time, the Detroit WR Roy Williams was coming off a massive season of 82 catches for 1310 and 7 TDs. Roy Williams = Roy W = RoyDubb.

A-Sizzle (Aquil Saluhudeen) took our MONEY and is LYING to us still. He thinks we're all STUPID and that he's going to GET AWAY with this!!!

 

[BuckeyeArt]

Signed,

Probably the 1st Schilens owner......Acquired late Oct '2008

Guppy. I've ownerd him since May, 2008. Maybe I'm the guppy.I hope you guys really go after this guy. I'm surprised, like others have said, that nobody has contacted the FBI. This may be a good place to start:

Internet Crime Complaint Center

The best advice seems to be from Paul (LeagueSafe). You guys need to get organized and go after him as a group.

Oh, and I found this thread through JohnnyU's sig. For anyone upset about this being moved, put the location in your sig like he did. It makes it easy to find.

 

[EBF]

Some other tidbits that I got from reading kremenull's posts:

- He posted in a lot of Raider threads and mentioned seeing Jahvid Best play in high school. He's most likely a Raider fan residing in the Bay Area. Probably the East Bay.

- He's married with at least one kid and you might be surprised where he's spending your FF money. In a post titled "You won the championship, what did you do with the money?"

Go to the nearest strip club and make it rain!!!

Just kidding, the league I won was free/no payout.

I just couldn't resist myself. I would honestly invest in something other than silicone.

funny thing is I was gonna give my wife half of my winnings exactly for that.

- He thinks he's a rebel and has a long history of disdaining the mob mentality.

Classic!...A bunch of cheerleaders who can't think for themselves to save their lives. "Hey, Thing 2. You know that guy Kremenull, yeah, I don like how he phrases stuff nor how he thinks he knows everything, although, whenever he posts something I have always tried to discount what he says though, but that's irrelevent." Yeah, so what do we do now, Thing 1. "You know what, let's get the rest of the gang together and all wait around for him to show up and say something and then we'll go over into this post and all jump against Kremenull, you know....Monkey See, Monkey Do."

Tooooooo Fuuuuuunnnny!

I wonder if he will be laughing when he's in jail?

 

[thegodfather]

Some you that are more familiar with the leagues he ran might want to google there emails... i googled allanfern@yahoo.com

looks like they recruited from everywere.

Here is one link:

http://forums.rtsports.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=45915

this particular post states Allan as the commish:

Sincerely,

Aquil S. – League Administrator

Allan F. – League Commissioner

 

[Joe Bryant]

not sure why this was moved it will get very little new views in this forum.....it's like they don't want this issue front and center...this should be in the shark pool...this issues is not about some guy asking for help with his lineup for looking to fill a spot in his league...it's about a very serious problem within the fantasy sports community and that makes this a SP thread IMO.

This is here because the best place for a thread warning people about a scam situation for leagues is the "looking for leagues" forum. Matching folks up for legit leagues is obviously the focus but warning people about scam leagues is another high priority (maybe the highest priority) for this forum.J

 

[Coin Flip]

Man when I was ripped off from MCM last year I shouda posted here so you guys coulda done your detective work on his name Trevor R.

I certainly missed out........Trevor form Clinton or somewhere near Detroit Michigan. He still owes us all money.........we heard promises of him paying us for weeks even months.......never got a cent.

He Kept selling graphcis though to guys because he makes them but he told them he would pay us yet he never paid anyone one red cent.

 

[fruity pebbles]

not sure why this was moved it will get very little new views in this forum.....it's like they don't want this issue front and center...this should be in the shark pool...this issues is not about some guy asking for help with his lineup for looking to fill a spot in his league...it's about a very serious problem within the fantasy sports community and that makes this a SP thread IMO.

This is here because the best place for a thread warning people about a scam situation for leagues is the "looking for leagues" forum. Matching folks up for legit leagues is obviously the focus but warning people about scam leagues is another high priority (maybe the highest priority) for this forum.J

Then wouldnt you want the thread in the place with the highest foot traffic cause this forum isnt it.

 

[pghrob]

not sure why this was moved it will get very little new views in this forum.....it's like they don't want this issue front and center...this should be in the shark pool...this issues is not about some guy asking for help with his lineup for looking to fill a spot in his league...it's about a very serious problem within the fantasy sports community and that makes this a SP thread IMO.

This is here because the best place for a thread warning people about a scam situation for leagues is the "looking for leagues" forum. Matching folks up for legit leagues is obviously the focus but warning people about scam leagues is another high priority (maybe the highest priority) for this forum.J

Then wouldnt you want the thread in the place with the highest foot traffic cause this forum isnt it.

Just put a link to this thread in your sig.Already, some guys with an allegedly other ##### bag commish came here to this thread, perhaps after seeing my sig in a post that I made in the Shark Pool.

 

[Warrior]

not sure why this was moved it will get very little new views in this forum.....it's like they don't want this issue front and center...this should be in the shark pool...this issues is not about some guy asking for help with his lineup for looking to fill a spot in his league...it's about a very serious problem within the fantasy sports community and that makes this a SP thread IMO.

This is here because the best place for a thread warning people about a scam situation for leagues is the "looking for leagues" forum. Matching folks up for legit leagues is obviously the focus but warning people about scam leagues is another high priority (maybe the highest priority) for this forum.J

Then wouldnt you want the thread in the place with the highest foot traffic cause this forum isnt it.

He put it in the most relevant forum. Just because there's lower foot traffic doesn't mean it should be purposely placed in the wrong category.We're lucky the thread isnt shut down alltogether, don't push it...

 

[fruity pebbles]

not sure why this was moved it will get very little new views in this forum.....it's like they don't want this issue front and center...this should be in the shark pool...this issues is not about some guy asking for help with his lineup for looking to fill a spot in his league...it's about a very serious problem within the fantasy sports community and that makes this a SP thread IMO.

This is here because the best place for a thread warning people about a scam situation for leagues is the "looking for leagues" forum. Matching folks up for legit leagues is obviously the focus but warning people about scam leagues is another high priority (maybe the highest priority) for this forum.J

Then wouldnt you want the thread in the place with the highest foot traffic cause this forum isnt it.

NHe put it in the most relevant forum. Just because there's lower foot traffic doesn't mean it should be purposely placed in the wrong category.We're lucky the thread isnt shut down alltogether, don't push it...

Why would it be shutdown?

 

[todd2006]

On Aquil Salahudeen's facebook page, it has his "likes" as:

* Texas Hold'em Poker

 

[Mister CIA]

not sure why this was moved it will get very little new views in this forum.....it's like they don't want this issue front and center...this should be in the shark pool...this issues is not about some guy asking for help with his lineup for looking to fill a spot in his league...it's about a very serious problem within the fantasy sports community and that makes this a SP thread IMO.

This is here because the best place for a thread warning people about a scam situation for leagues is the "looking for leagues" forum. Matching folks up for legit leagues is obviously the focus but warning people about scam leagues is another high priority (maybe the highest priority) for this forum.J

You are completely ignoring the fact that many league relationships are built via the Shark Pool and PMs without even thinking of stepping foot in this forum. Goodell-esque.

 

[TheWick]

I was in Prez last year but like D'Ohtis dropped my team due to an uneasy feeling. However I do not believe Allan and Aquil are the same person. I yahoo chatted with Allan several times last year and if Aquil/Allan are the same guy there is a serious split personality going on. Aquil is MUCH more abrasive.

I don't think there is anything more sinister going on here than a careless commish taking liberties with other peoples money and getting in way over his head. Which is a terrible crime in its self. But from everything stated in this thread it does not seem like an elaborate dual personality plan to steal 20k. Regardless there is no doubt Allan knew at least some of what was going on and never brought it to anyones attention. He is guilty of that for sure, and possibly more.

 

[JohnnyU]

On Aquil Salahudeen's facebook page, it has his "likes" as: * Texas Hold'em Poker

First thing I noticed the other day when I posted his facebook. He probably lost it gambling.