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So, what happens when the President of the United States tweets something that would violate your guidelines? Are we not allowed to discuss it here?
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Not sure what you're trying to get at here. I'd say it's a sad state of affairs when it's even a question the president's tweets are in question. Although I agree they're in question.
I don't have every possible scenario in writing. The guideline thing was long enough as it is. In general, I'd say discussing a tweet by the president is ok here. But keep the discussion within the guidelines. If you see something that's over, please report it.
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Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I got a time out for spamming. Its in my discipline history. I truly did not understand my offense. I am not one to spam, and looking at my posting history from the time of my T.O I certainly did not see any such activity. That is not to say I did not do so. Sometimes our posts do not come to the attention of mods for weeks or even months. The disconnect between the discipline and the offending post made it impossible for me to connect the behavior, and so to correct it. I know mods cannot take time to explain every decision, it would be draining. That said it might be nice if there was a link to the offending post.
Perhaps that is not possible, I don't know, just a thought. Keep up the good work. I think I will pay this year, not for the content, but as recompense for the bandwidth I have consumed over the years.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Of course maybe "spaming" was the closet canned explanation. Maybe it was for general snarkiness or ill humor on my part. That is always a distinct possibility.
The Commish
Footballguy
Good Grief....I'll do it.
squistion is notorious for posting nothing but tweets from his twitter feed. He'll go pages just cutting and pasting from his feed, giving NOTHING of his own opinion along the way. It's tweet after tweet after tweet. Then, when asked or questioned about a tweet gives the "I didn't say that, X did" or "I just posted it because I thought it was interesting" sorts of answers. They are typically of the trolling and/or fishing variety. Rarely are they informative. Honestly, I wouldn't have too much a problem with them if he put his
with them contributing at least a little bit to the forum. What's worse, people have asked him to cut it out nicely many times and he hasn't so what happens next? Yep, people stoop to his level and start doing the same thing. There....it's out in the open. I'll take whatever punishment @Joe Bryant deems necessary.
What "punishment"? I asked for examples and you said it was content squiston posted. Thanks. Once again, if you see this happening, please click the report button and we'll take a look. Takes about 2 seconds.Good Grief....I'll do it.
squistion is notorious for posting nothing but tweets from his twitter feed. He'll go pages just cutting and pasting from his feed, giving NOTHING of his own opinion along the way. It's tweet after tweet after tweet. Then, when asked or questioned about a tweet gives the "I didn't say that, X did" or "I just posted it because I thought it was interesting" sorts of answers. They are typically of the trolling and/or fishing variety. Rarely are they informative. Honestly, I wouldn't have too much a problem with them if he put his
What's worse, people have asked him to cut it out nicely many times and he hasn't so what happens next? Yep, people stoop to his level and start doing the same thing. There....it's out in the open. I'll take whatever punishment @Joe Bryant deems necessary.
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Could well be. "spamming" is the default description for when someone is suspended. Very likely they just failed to add the right description.
You're talking past each other here, IMO.
Many people are taking offense to the posting style of @squistion, without calling it out by name. He is frequently posting tweets from people he agrees with. They are all attributed, but they are not his original dialogue. He is not promoting his own sites. Many people feel this is being done on an overwhelming basis. This poster does not solely post tweets by any means.
I often post tweets as breaking news too, although to a much much less degree, so I am interested in your thoughts here. The abbreviated nature of Twitter vs full articles does create reactions.
Do you have thoughts about the line here? Regardless if you will share those, I wanted to give you context on the poster people seem afraid to name. You can address it with him if you want.
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Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
No worries. I can lose the line sometimes. I'm sure I did something past merely ribald or acerbic, its just that I was uncertain what precisely did it. With all that's going on now I would be shamed if you wasted your time looking into it. I'll glean what I need to know from the general discussion.
In the end your explanation makes sense. I can just see me thinking "what the heck, with all the cutting and offensive commentary I write and they give me a red card for spamming!"
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Thanks for the clarity, I don't know - I guess I'll just have to pay more attention the next time it comes up. I guess it's like lots of things - I don't know we can have a "policy" for how many tweets a guy can link to. I do it often myself. I can type out "Adam Schefter said ...." or I can give the link to the tweet which is much better.
Let's just play it by ear. Too much of anything is annoying. When it comes up again, please report it and I'll look.
Yeah, can't people stop being passive aggressive and just lay it out?Good Grief....I'll do it.
squistion is notorious for posting nothing but tweets from his twitter feed. He'll go pages just cutting and pasting from his feed, giving NOTHING of his own opinion along the way. It's tweet after tweet after tweet. Then, when asked or questioned about a tweet gives the "I didn't say that, X did" or "I just posted it because I thought it was interesting" sorts of answers. They are typically of the trolling and/or fishing variety. Rarely are they informative. Honestly, I wouldn't have too much a problem with them if he put his
What's worse, people have asked him to cut it out nicely many times and he hasn't so what happens next? Yep, people stoop to his level and start doing the same thing. There....it's out in the open. I'll take whatever punishment @Joe Bryant deems necessary.
I spent time last week imploring people in the Trump thread to just let it go or put him on ignore. But certainly quit trolling him.
We're trying to do this reset with @Joe Bryant now. If you have a problem with some behavior, let's put it on the line and let it be discussed. Talking about @squistion without mentioning him is unfair and unclassy.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I'm being unfair and unclassy because I don't call out a poster? Ok - I don't agree but that doesn't matter. The point isn't that squis and Helltoupee and others post tweets with breaking news - most of his tweets (in the past) were basically commentary and making fun of one side which ended up being a trigger (I hate that word by the way) and caused several threads to devolve in to a bunch of
and additional name calling. Squisition was asked nicely to stop by people that agreed and disagreed with the tweets he quoted - this went on repeatedly for months. I finally put him on ignore because quite frankly he became a nuisance. Maybe he's changed and maybe the trolls have stopped responding to him but it was easily one of the top factors in why political threads became hot garbage for months.Just wanted to give a posters a chance to share their perspective on these grey areas regarding past beefs by tagging them and giving my context.
I've been here for over 15 years. We know the buck stops with you and your opinion. This dialogue is appreciated.
There were several posts about this and we all know the offender than gets complained about for doing this ad infinitum. This post itself shows that the behavior of @squistion is a big bone of contention. Whether that is his posts, the reactions to them, or both.I'm being unfair and unclassy because I don't call out a poster? Ok - I don't agree but that doesn't matter. The point isn't that squis and Helltoupee and others post tweets with breaking news - most of his tweets (in the past) were basically commentary and making fun of one side which ended up being a trigger (I hate that word by the way) and caused several threads to devolve in to a bunch of
I apologize if my overall classification of the last page felt directed at you. That wasn't meant for any of you in particular or to be offensive. Joe B is here, let's have that discussion in full light with the posters we are talking about. That is the best way to get on the same page. This was my point.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
This isn't about squis. Joe made is clear that we've had a reset. The past is gone. Squis has don't nothing wrong (yet).
What this is about is the behavior. Spamming tweets (or spamming anything for that matter) isn't acceptable behavior going forward for anyone.
What this is about is the behavior. Spamming tweets (or spamming anything for that matter) isn't acceptable behavior going forward for anyone.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I agree and as someone else mentioned I'd be happy to have actual discussions with squisition because there's probably a lot of his positions I agree with. He initiated more back and forth arguments that were so beyond ridiculous that it became unbearable. At some point when a poster gets that many complaints and has been put on ignore by so many people you have to ask yourself if the person is adding to the conversation or detracting.
I just think they should have a chance to give their side by tagging them. A lot of today has been about people calling out others for past behavior. I was being called out yesterday without tagging for something too. That isn't fair at all. I think we need to find the right behavior and try to live up to it. That is never one-sided where grudges are concerned.
Posting a tweet vs spamming tweets can quickly become an eye of the beholder episode.
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squistion
Footballguy
I am beginning to feel like Lord Voldemart.
If I find something funny, newsworthy, interesting or informative on Twitter, I repost it here with attribution to the author. I always try make it relevant to the thread or what is currently being discussed. It is expressing a point of view or something I agree with and I don't see it is as being any less my own thoughts than if I were to change a few words and rephrase the tweet. It may not represent my own exact words, but it does represent my actual thoughts and feelings or something I feel is worth sharing. That is not spamming IMO.
I have posted my share of Adam Schefter or Ian Rapoport tweets in the Shark Pool, and I don't conceptually see the difference with that than with what I have been posting in the FFA or the new forum. And the truth is, most of my posts are not retweets but rather my own responses to what is being discussed. I think most of problems have not to do with what I post, but rather some objection to me personally (and I don't intend to rehash that nor do I particularly wish to discuss this subject matter further).
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
Squis - since I brought this up I'll address you directly. People asked you to stop posting the teeets and you refused. That was why some people (including myself) had a problem with you. You have to see that your tweet posts and then subsequent arguing caused a lot of threads to become unreadable. I don't dislike you - I disliked how you handled things so I put you in ignore. Several of us asked you in the past to post your thoughts and not just your twitter feed.
[scooter]
Footballguy
The thing about squisition (in my opinion, at least) is that his tweet posts run the gamut from "worthwhile news story" to "mean-spirited snark". And while it might be fair to delete tweets that violate Joe's standards of decorum, I don't think it would be fair to outright ban him (or anyone) from reposting tweets.
squistion
Footballguy
There are probably ten people who post just as many tweets or article links on a daily basis in the FFA/Politics forum as I do that don't represent their own thoughts either. But you have never asked any of them to stop posting tweets or article links, have you?
Fatness (as an example, not to single him out) usually posts a couple dozen tweets and links each day that are not his own thoughts, but no one ever complains about that or about the others who post just as many tweets as I do, which are also not their own personal thoughts. I could have gotten into this if one other person had been asked to stop posting tweets, but it was just me that was singled out and I felt that it was due to my political POV more than anything else.
I could do an end run around this, delete the @, change a few words on a tweet and voilà!, it is posting my own thoughts. No one would probably know the difference, but that would be dishonest and not my style.
Again, my tweets are only a small percentage of my overall posts, I am not flooding threads or the forum with multiple tweets as has been claimed. This has all been much ado about nothing. And although it doesn't mean much of anything, most of my tweets generate likes, which suggests that a few people enjoy reading them and they are not universally hated as you suggest.
Anyway, I am through discussing this. I only came into the thread because I got a notification Slapdash mentioned me.
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Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
I don't think generating likes should be the standard for good posting. Most troll posts generate some likes because of the "I have to win the internet" nature of political discussions.
While we are using "you don't ask anyone else to stop" defense that goes both ways. Squis loves to call me a troll when I use but he never calls anyone a troll for using it when he agrees with them. He also hypocritically reports HT or Cleaver for alias stuff but never Tanner or again someone he agrees with.
The excuses should stop. I think as Joe has mentioned posting a snarky or trollish tweet is the same thing as posting it the trollish comment yourself.
While we are using "you don't ask anyone else to stop" defense that goes both ways. Squis loves to call me a troll when I use
but he never calls anyone a troll for using it when he agrees with them. He also hypocritically reports HT or Cleaver for alias stuff but never Tanner or again someone he agrees with. The excuses should stop. I think as Joe has mentioned posting a snarky or trollish tweet is the same thing as posting it the trollish comment yourself.
Especially in political threads where the most gawd awful partisan posts generate likes.
otb_lifer
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
I wasn't sure if holding people specifically accountable publicly still flew...that and I had a few beverages last night. Again, I don't have a problem with links to twitter posts as sources of information. I think that side of twitter is awesome. What I was talking about was the cut and paste style of other random people's opinions on a subject. It's one thing to post a "breaking new" sort of tweet from BBC, CNN, FOX, wherever. It's another to just pasteWhat "punishment"? I asked for examples and you said it was content squiston posted. Thanks. Once again, if you see this happening, please click the report button and we'll take a look. Takes about 2 seconds.Good Grief....I'll do it.
squistion is notorious for posting nothing but tweets from his twitter feed. He'll go pages just cutting and pasting from his feed, giving NOTHING of his own opinion along the way. It's tweet after tweet after tweet. Then, when asked or questioned about a tweet gives the "I didn't say that, X did" or "I just posted it because I thought it was interesting" sorts of answers. They are typically of the trolling and/or fishing variety. Rarely are they informative. Honestly, I wouldn't have too much a problem with them if he put his
What's worse, people have asked him to cut it out nicely many times and he hasn't so what happens next? Yep, people stoop to his level and start doing the same thing. There....it's out in the open. I'll take whatever punishment @Joe Bryant deems necessary.
comments from individuals with no other comment from the poster themselves. If I wanted to know (or cared about) what those people were saying, I'd follow them on twitter.Thanks Joe! I'm loving the reset thus far.
The Commish
Footballguy
Someone will have to respond to me for him to see this, but this is a flat out lie and part of the reason he put me on ignore because I took him to task on it. He's said this before, so I took him at his word. After many posts of pinning him down on a tweet his response was essentially "I was just reposting a tweet, those aren't my words those are X".
It's a pretty clear line IMO. If you're posting information from a source, that's awesome....keep doing it. If you're posting someone else's comment/opinion and nothing else, stop. I see no reason to post other people's opinions in lieu of your own, especially if they are the same except for the out you provide yourself by being able to say "Oh, that wasn't MY thought" or something along those lines.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
I've never noticed fatness spamming the board with tweets. Is this supposedly him? https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/profile/7967-fatness/content/
It looks like he has 2 total posts in the last month. Am I missing something?
It looks like he has 2 total posts in the last month. Am I missing something?
shoke
Footballguy
Quoting this for you as a Good Samaritan.
I feel 80% of people's tweets are clearly meant to be triggers on both sides. Just my opinion, could be wrong.
The Commish
Footballguy
There are dozens of these kinds of exchanges from squis. The link takes you to the first reply to a post from him where he just posts someone else's opinion with no other context. The post directly after it is what becomes problematic and annoying when one tries to engage him on the twitter posts.
It's THIS behavior that's a problem. I've gotten good tidbits from informative twitter reposts. These are greater in number and we could do without IMO.
It's THIS behavior that's a problem. I've gotten good tidbits from informative twitter reposts. These are greater in number and we could do without IMO.
shoke
Footballguy
It triggers a reaction and everything soon spirals out of control. Now the reactions are wrong but the original posts accomplished what they set out to do.
Been down the same road with him. Call him out for some outrageous partisan spin, he goes into that. Tweets normally are not newsworthy unless they come from the person the news is about.
Ok Guys. Couple of things.
1. Thanks for the good attitude in discussing this.
2. I think posting a tweet is fine for the most part. And yes, try to be cool and not post Tweets that are trolling or outside the the basic guidelines of what we're asking for. (and yes, I get our President might likely be outside the guidelines if he posted here as a regular person - that's sad and another story...) There's a balance there though. A message board is sort of implied that we want to hear from you. Not so much that we want to hear just from people you follow. Kind of like a Twitter feed. Retweets are cool, but they're not your entire feed. And usually you want to add a little something to the original tweet.
Thanks.
1. Thanks for the good attitude in discussing this.
2. I think posting a tweet is fine for the most part. And yes, try to be cool and not post Tweets that are trolling or outside the the basic guidelines of what we're asking for. (and yes, I get our President might likely be outside the guidelines if he posted here as a regular person - that's sad and another story...) There's a balance there though. A message board is sort of implied that we want to hear from you. Not so much that we want to hear just from people you follow. Kind of like a Twitter feed. Retweets are cool, but they're not your entire feed. And usually you want to add a little something to the original tweet.
Thanks.
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Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Christ almighty it's like I'm playing cards with my brothers kids.
timschochet
Footballguy
I strongly disagree with the criticism of squistion. I find his tweet postings informative, often funny, fun to read, and they're always pertinent to the discussion at hand. I don't think any moderation is necessary in this instance.
DropKick
Footballguy
Pun unintended?
Since we're hell bent on defining boundaries - bad puns in or out? The "can I post this", "can I post that" is killing me - I bet Joe is getting tired of it too. Can't we go with "common sense" boundaries?
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Many posts fit that description that others get suspended as trolling. Just depends whether you agree or disagree with the content. Is it really difficult to post tweets that are more factual in nature and add your personal opinion to them and stop posting the ones that are troll bait?
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Same goes for all the stuff that squistion reports that bothers him. If a
bothers people they should use ignore. Instead posters are getting suspended for doing that. Even when they aren't trolling.
timschochet
Footballguy
All right, we disagree on this, and we have for some time. But my larger point is: if you don't like his posts, you're free to complain about them, or ignore them, or put them on ignore. Why do you need to get Joe and the moderators involved? That seems unnecessary in this instance, IMO.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
We are all trying to make those threads a better place. Why does squis get the mods involved for the same 4-5 posters he disagrees with instead of ignoring them? Let's be consistent and fair?
