Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
I guess you failed to read the post I was commenting on.. Because he said none of this^ nonsense..
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Warren Sapp Out BountyGate WhistleBlower (1 Viewer)
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Well, AFTER Sapp tweeted that it was Shockey he went on the NFLN and talked about it. So if Sapp is going down, so are the people that condoned his action by then rewarding him with airtime to talk about it.
sn0mm1s
Footballguy
No kidding. Apparently there are a lot of Tonya Harding supporters on this board.
Wasn't Shockey's teammate (Cam Newton) one of the QB's the Saints had a bounty on?
fatness
Footballguy
I was wondering when someone would bring her up. It's the most apt comparison I can think of.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Kluwe can come play/punt for the Steelers anytime.
Jobber
Footballguy
From what I understood it was opposing teams such as the Vikings that complained enough to initiate the investigation. So if there was a "whistleblower" it was someone just providing corroborating evidence. In other words, being honest after the investigation had already begun.
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Phenix
Footballguy
I know, I see a lot of "high and mighty" views in here. The hit on Warner was clean, I dont care who hit him and if he got paid extra. It was clean, as a matter of fact i have seen very few dirty hits.Its ok to complain when a player gets $1500 to make a hit on a player and hurt him, but its no big deal to sign Mario williams to a gazillion dollar contract to do the same thing. I'm sure some naive people will say he is not trying to hurt people, then i will laugh at you. We have been told since kids to hit a player to make him not get up.
The high fake moral ground is whats disgusting. Go ahead lay into me for disagreeing with you, call me names and tell me how stupid I am, blah blah blah.
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Eviloutsider
Footballguy
"I made him a household name and $42 million," Sapp said. "What's the problem here? I still don't understand. You wouldn't know who Chad Clifton is if it wasn't for me. But now I'm so vile that I put a block on the guy?
"Really? C'mon. Stop it."
Sapp offered his take.
"In the trenches, we play a different game," he said. "We play a game that none of you are familiar with. We do things to each other that only linemen are allowed to do to each other.
"He needed his head on a swivel. He understands that now."
"Really? C'mon. Stop it."
Sapp offered his take.
"In the trenches, we play a different game," he said. "We play a game that none of you are familiar with. We do things to each other that only linemen are allowed to do to each other.
"He needed his head on a swivel. He understands that now."
Phenix
Footballguy
Of all the things we get on the media about we get on them for calling out a snitch who has had a bad rep not only in college but in the pros?
Is this a sensitivity circle or footballguys.com?
GregR
Footballguy
I believe it was more like... the NFL investigated after the Vikings especially, and also maybe the Cardinals, made allegations based on what happened in their games in 2009. The NFL investigated but the Saints staff and players concealed what was going on well enough the NFL didn't find all the hardcore evidence they have now. The NFL told the Saints to knock it off and closed the investigation in 2010.Then after the 2010 season was over, someone with knowledge of the bounty program went to the NFL and gave specifics that let them find the paper trail and bust the whole thing open.So without the whistle blower, we're probably not having this discussion today.
GregR
Footballguy
On Sapp... was never much of a fan of him as a player because I wasn't much of a fan of him as a person.
I've actually enjoyed having him on NFLN because at times he almost turns into the anti-diva and will say things bluntly that you'll never hear from a Michael Irvin or Deon Sanders.
But this was just an idiotic move on many levels, especially exposing himself legally.
I hope PFT is right and he got the name wrong.
I've actually enjoyed having him on NFLN because at times he almost turns into the anti-diva and will say things bluntly that you'll never hear from a Michael Irvin or Deon Sanders.
But this was just an idiotic move on many levels, especially exposing himself legally.
I hope PFT is right and he got the name wrong.
BaBastage
Footballguy
I see what you did there. Maybe you should chock it up to experience.Ok, no more spelling police from me. Seriously folks, this "code of honor" crap is just crap. It's one thing to protect your school buddy from getting caught sneaking into class late. It's another entirely when something illegal is involved.
I still go back to this: Injuries are a part of football, but they're the byproduct of a violent game. Injuries shouldn't be tools to use in the pursuit of victory. Yes, there's a fine line, but it's a line nonetheless.
Whoever the whistleblower is, they deserve anonymity. Sapp deserves to be fired (and I expect he will be.)
And I will enjoy the NFL network more because of his absence.
guderian
Footballguy
If he'd reported it while he was with the Saints, then you can argue it was a moral or ethical stand. Instead he waits until he goes to a division rival--making it something much different.
3C's
Footballguy
Yes. And he'd still be the piece of #### he's always been. Love how he's fooled the NFL with that fat ####### fake ### smile of his.
The Comedian
Footballguy
I'm genuinely at a loss as to why this would be something that Sapp should not report. This isn't like a witness against the mafia, can someone explain to me why this is such a bad thing?
GG Kluwe.#### Sapp. Hopefully this feud between him and Shockey ends in a cage.It's bad to out whistle blowers because it stops others from coming forward in future when organizations are breaking the law.If you don't even have proof it's the right person then your accusation is defamatory.
GregR
Footballguy
Read these two articles. There are multiple reasons there, but especially note the example of fan violence against someone they felt wronged their team.http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/06/nfl-needs-to-protect-the-saints-snitch/http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/21/nfl-outs-suspected-saints-whistleblower-on-its-own-network/
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Snitch, please.
Sapp needs to go.
Short Corner
Footballguy
Even if he got the name wrong, Shockey is in a position to claim damages against Sapp and the NFL.
Short Corner
Footballguy
Federal Law down?
Neofight
Footballguy
Could I just buy you a Fresca and tell ya everything is gonna be OK?
Its ok to complain when a player gets $1500 to make a hit on a player and hurt him, but its no big deal to sign Mario williams to a gazillion dollar contract to do the same thing. I'm sure some naive people will say he is not trying to hurt people, then i will laugh at you. We have been told since kids to hit a player to make him not get up.
The high fake moral ground is whats disgusting. Go ahead lay into me for disagreeing with you, call me names and tell me how stupid I am, blah blah blah.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Internet was down and was posting from my phone.. autocorrect..I see what you did there. Maybe you should chock it up to experience.Ok, no more spelling police from me. Seriously folks, this "code of honor" crap is just crap. It's one thing to protect your school buddy from getting caught sneaking into class late. It's another entirely when something illegal is involved.
I still go back to this: Injuries are a part of football, but they're the byproduct of a violent game. Injuries shouldn't be tools to use in the pursuit of victory. Yes, there's a fine line, but it's a line nonetheless.
Whoever the whistleblower is, they deserve anonymity. Sapp deserves to be fired (and I expect he will be.)
And I will enjoy the NFL network more because of his absence.
The Comedian
Footballguy
I'd be happy to check out whichever federal law Sapp violated here. Thanks in advance for posting it.
The Comedian
Footballguy
I think the insinuation that some nutball fan is going to go kill Shockey now is a little absurd. I don't recall anyone fearing for Eric Mangini's life.That said, I get it now. It makes sense if you view the NFL and its teams as a company, which they are. If people working for Countrywide had tried to report their company's wrongdoing, there's obvious and good reasons why they should be kept anonymous. Same in the NFL.
gandalas
Footballguy
It was in the linked article...maybe read the subject of this thread before commenting in it?
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Anyone that thinks "snitches get stitches" is funny or somehow a legitimate point of view is either a scumbag gang member or someone that is sheltered enough to not understand the devastation and innocent lives lost caused by this philosophy in the inner cities. I'd love to send some violent drug dealers to your neighborhood so that you can get some perspective.
gandalas
Footballguy
In the suburbs, our Drug dealers are mostly non-violent white kids.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
This is a football forum... Lighten up
fatness
Footballguy
Well that certainly changes what the Saints did. Roger! Call off the sanctions!
unckeyherb
Footballguy
veryI see what you did there. Maybe you should chock it up to experience.Ok, no more spelling police from me. Seriously folks, this "code of honor" crap is just crap. It's one thing to protect your school buddy from getting caught sneaking into class late. It's another entirely when something illegal is involved.
I still go back to this: Injuries are a part of football, but they're the byproduct of a violent game. Injuries shouldn't be tools to use in the pursuit of victory. Yes, there's a fine line, but it's a line nonetheless.
Whoever the whistleblower is, they deserve anonymity. Sapp deserves to be fired (and I expect he will be.)
And I will enjoy the NFL network more because of his absence.
especially the bolded.
Shutout
Footballguy
I don't know all the alegations of Sapp and Shockey, etc but in general:
As Business Law teaches us, The truth is always a vaiable defense. So if something was being done wrong and it was reported, regardless of motive, then it is just and proper. Actually, a case could be made that the person who brought it forth is more honarable than the guys that knew and kept silent because you can talk about "codes" as much as you want, all those things pale in comparison to what is legal, moral, and ethical.
And that is just what this is: Sometimes we miss things when people make extreme examples to make their point but the reality is there is no defense for supporting a stance that literally can end a person's career, negatively impact their quality of life, or end their life.
If there is a "code" to follow in the NFL, it not the "keep quiet when guys are trying to make a thousand dollars by getting the John Deere Tracker/stretcher on the field at another guy's expense". The code to follow is to be professional, be a good teammate (which doesn't mean cover up stuff), and be respectful to the game, yourself, and others. We have seen many many times, hard fought, nasty hitting games WITHIN THE RULES that, when over, the competitors embrace each other, tell one another "good luck" in following weeks, etc. When a player is significantly injured on a field, you commonly see players form both sides comforting the person, praying for them, etc.
You hear players talking all the time that there is a "brotherhood" in the NFL. We all know that, yes we fight with our brothers and sisters, but there IS a line that you don't cross with your brothers; your family. The REAL code in the NFL is understanding just how precarious their entire livelihood is and understanding their responsibility.
The old Uncle Ben to Spiderman line might be cheesy but it fits here: "With great power comes great responsibility." That is fitting here. There is a responsibility these men have in playing by the rules and not being so irresponsible, wreckless, and immature in that they are basically willing to cause life-long injuries to people in exhchange for enough bucks to buy the new iPad.
The real sad fact in all this, if its true about Shockey, is that he will be villanized by some when he should be lauded. But unfortunately some people don't understand that he may have just inderectly saved someone's life; maybe theirs. And the person who reports the wrongdoing should always be protected and remain anonymous because if soemthing happens or he catches backlash, then it doesn't encourage the next guy to do what's right the next tiem something comes up. And its hard to do the right thing; even harder when it appears you will be punished for doing it.
And Sapp, (again if this is all true), well he is a media guy and in some sense you could say he was "reporting". Question the methods, etc, but at the end of the day, if its factual, then it was reported. All that does is seal his own fate as a media person because people won't talk to him in confidence as freely. So be it.
As Business Law teaches us, The truth is always a vaiable defense. So if something was being done wrong and it was reported, regardless of motive, then it is just and proper. Actually, a case could be made that the person who brought it forth is more honarable than the guys that knew and kept silent because you can talk about "codes" as much as you want, all those things pale in comparison to what is legal, moral, and ethical.
And that is just what this is: Sometimes we miss things when people make extreme examples to make their point but the reality is there is no defense for supporting a stance that literally can end a person's career, negatively impact their quality of life, or end their life.
If there is a "code" to follow in the NFL, it not the "keep quiet when guys are trying to make a thousand dollars by getting the John Deere Tracker/stretcher on the field at another guy's expense". The code to follow is to be professional, be a good teammate (which doesn't mean cover up stuff), and be respectful to the game, yourself, and others. We have seen many many times, hard fought, nasty hitting games WITHIN THE RULES that, when over, the competitors embrace each other, tell one another "good luck" in following weeks, etc. When a player is significantly injured on a field, you commonly see players form both sides comforting the person, praying for them, etc.
You hear players talking all the time that there is a "brotherhood" in the NFL. We all know that, yes we fight with our brothers and sisters, but there IS a line that you don't cross with your brothers; your family. The REAL code in the NFL is understanding just how precarious their entire livelihood is and understanding their responsibility.
The old Uncle Ben to Spiderman line might be cheesy but it fits here: "With great power comes great responsibility." That is fitting here. There is a responsibility these men have in playing by the rules and not being so irresponsible, wreckless, and immature in that they are basically willing to cause life-long injuries to people in exhchange for enough bucks to buy the new iPad.
The real sad fact in all this, if its true about Shockey, is that he will be villanized by some when he should be lauded. But unfortunately some people don't understand that he may have just inderectly saved someone's life; maybe theirs. And the person who reports the wrongdoing should always be protected and remain anonymous because if soemthing happens or he catches backlash, then it doesn't encourage the next guy to do what's right the next tiem something comes up. And its hard to do the right thing; even harder when it appears you will be punished for doing it.
And Sapp, (again if this is all true), well he is a media guy and in some sense you could say he was "reporting". Question the methods, etc, but at the end of the day, if its factual, then it was reported. All that does is seal his own fate as a media person because people won't talk to him in confidence as freely. So be it.
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Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Not that I agree with everything you had to say there, but very well written and well thought out response.
inzanitee
Footballguy
x2.
Phenix
Footballguy
Cool response. Many valid points you just made. Kudos to you. I love FBG for the comedy it offers in certain threads. Watching people cry and complain over someone snitching on a snitch is just funny and ironic.Saying Sapp should get fired for reporting something, really, I wonder if everyones morals are the same behind their four walls.Could I just buy you a Fresca and tell ya everything is gonna be OK?
Its ok to complain when a player gets $1500 to make a hit on a player and hurt him, but its no big deal to sign Mario williams to a gazillion dollar contract to do the same thing. I'm sure some naive people will say he is not trying to hurt people, then i will laugh at you. We have been told since kids to hit a player to make him not get up.
The high fake moral ground is whats disgusting. Go ahead lay into me for disagreeing with you, call me names and tell me how stupid I am, blah blah blah.
Actually can you get me that Fresca while I watch all these fake football ANALysts report their opinion which no one reads anyways, unless its a response to their own comment. The only reason every thread is full of hate and nothing positive, unless its complimenting a mod, is because the people who disagree will never post because they do not want to deal with the childish insults that come their way for disagreeing.
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drfeelgood
Footballguy
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Phenix
Footballguy
But it wasnt a picture, or a murder, or a even $10 dollars - it was a guy calling out a bitter rat/snitch who cried because he got cut. Keep trying to compare football, a game played by millionaires, to everyday life. Good luck.
bbuster
Footballguy
Think it was lame of Sapp to "out" Shockey as the "snitch". First of all, it's just hearsay and Sapp said he didn't check the facts, but he believed his source. Secondly, Sapp has repeatedly said that they should be punished and that there was no place for this kind of thing in football. By calling Shockey a snitch, he's saying that even though it's wrong, nothing should be said about it. Thirdly...Hey Sapp
for snitching on Shockey.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
FYI...What Sapp did is in no way snitching.Think it was lame of Sapp to "out" Shockey as the "snitch". First of all, it's just hearsay and Sapp said he didn't check the facts, but he believed his source. Secondly, Sapp has repeatedly said that they should be punished and that there was no place for this kind of thing in football. By calling Shockey a snitch, he's saying that even though it's wrong, nothing should be said about it. Thirdly...Hey Sapp
bbuster
Footballguy
Pretty sure it was a guy snitching on the wrong snitch.But it wasnt a picture, or a murder, or a even $10 dollars - it was a guy calling out a bitter rat/snitch who cried because he got cut. Keep trying to compare football, a game played by millionaires, to everyday life. Good luck.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
So these football players don't exist in everyday life? How about the guys living with mental illness or depression because of the brain injuries they've suffered? Or the ones living with crippling pain from the injuries they've suffered? Yes, the sport is an inherently violent sport, but intentional injury is outside of the game of football. Trying to add more pain and misery to someone's life after football than what they'll already suffer is disgusting.But hey, they're rich. Screw the rich. Amiright?But it wasnt a picture, or a murder, or a even $10 dollars - it was a guy calling out a bitter rat/snitch who cried because he got cut. Keep trying to compare football, a game played by millionaires, to everyday life. Good luck.
