Warren Sapp rips Porter (1 Viewer)

[Noahs Troopers]

(KFFL) Oakland Raiders DT Warren Sapp spoke about WR Jerry Porter's ongoing holdout from training camp and trade demands during an interview on SIRIUS NFL Radio. Sapp said that the team does not feel obligated to pull him aside and advise him to come into camp. "People talk about football being a family. It's not a family. It's a brotherhood of men," said Sapp. "Because in a family, if the baby is lagging behind everybody stops and waits for the baby to catch up. We can't wait for the baby to catch up. We gotta go. This thing's coming and when it's coming it is coming full speed ahead and we want to be ready to go with what we got. And if he's not gonna be a part of what we got going then some kind of way we've got to find a way to make him happy. Trade him or whatever he wants because you can't have a malcontent on a team where on Sunday we're gonna be looking for you to make plays."

Hats off to Sapp.

 

[derek19]

Gotta love sapp

 

[Joe Bryant]

I agree with Sapp. I'm guessing most will.

I agreed with Favre last year though. And tons didn't. Interesting.

J

 

[radballs]

I agree with Sapp. I'm guessing most will.

I agreed with Favre last year though. And tons didn't. Interesting.

J

Difference though was that Walker was looking to be more fairly compensated given his recent performance although I still agreed with Favre. Porter's already been paid and he's just an immature jerk.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I agree with Sapp. I'm guessing most will.

I agreed with Favre last year though. And tons didn't. Interesting.

J

Difference though was that Walker was looking to be more fairly compensated given his recent performance although I still agreed with Favre. Porter's already been paid and he's just an immature jerk.

But basically the same concept. Player is unhappy and wants a different deal or wants traded. Favre was killed for saying Walker ought to get into camp. I expect Sapp will be loved for what he said.

Sapp has the clout and reputation that he can say stuff like this more easily.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Art Shell make an example out of Porter here.

J

 

[redman]

I agree with Sapp. I'm guessing most will.

I agreed with Favre last year though. And tons didn't. Interesting.

J

Difference though was that Walker was looking to be more fairly compensated given his recent performance although I still agreed with Favre. Porter's already been paid and he's just an immature jerk.

But basically the same concept. Player is unhappy and wants a different deal or wants traded. Favre was killed for saying Walker ought to get into camp. I expect Sapp will be loved for what he said.

Sapp has the clout and reputation that he can say stuff like this more easily.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Art Shell make an example out of Porter here.

J

On top of what has already been posted about Favre, he also has the history of keeping everyone in suspense as to whether he'll retire, which also has the appearance of placing his own interests above the team. He looked like a hypocrite. I agree that while these situations superficially look similar, they're different in important ways when looked at closely.

 

[radballs]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Art Shell make an example out of Porter here.

I'm a Raider fan and I hope they do. I hope they can afford to. Gabriel would be a fine WR 2.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Art Shell make an example out of Porter here.

I'm a Raider fan and I hope they do. I hope they can afford to. Gabriel would be a fine WR 2.

Hi Ollie,I love Shell but when are they going to find him a hat that fits? I know it may take a 10 3/4 but c'mon.....

J

 

[radballs]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Art Shell make an example out of Porter here.

I'm a Raider fan and I hope they do. I hope they can afford to. Gabriel would be a fine WR 2.

Hi Ollie,I love Shell but when are they going to find him a hat that fits? I know it may take a 10 3/4 but c'mon.....

J

 

[Joe Bryant]

I agree with Sapp. I'm guessing most will.

I agreed with Favre last year though. And tons didn't. Interesting.

J

Difference though was that Walker was looking to be more fairly compensated given his recent performance although I still agreed with Favre. Porter's already been paid and he's just an immature jerk.

But basically the same concept. Player is unhappy and wants a different deal or wants traded. Favre was killed for saying Walker ought to get into camp. I expect Sapp will be loved for what he said.

Sapp has the clout and reputation that he can say stuff like this more easily.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Art Shell make an example out of Porter here.

J

On top of what has already been posted about Favre, he also has the history of keeping everyone in suspense as to whether he'll retire, which also has the appearance of placing his own interests above the team. He looked like a hypocrite. I agree that while these situations superficially look similar, they're different in important ways when looked at closely.

In what important ways are they different when it comes to Sapp vs Favre?J

 

[Noahs Troopers]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Art Shell make an example out of Porter here.

I'm a Raider fan and I hope they do. I hope they can afford to. Gabriel would be a fine WR 2.

Hi Ollie,I love Shell but when are they going to find him a hat that fits? I know it may take a 10 3/4 but c'mon.....

J

Anyone ever seen Art Shell and Barry Bonds in the same room at the same time?

 

[Joe Bryant]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Art Shell make an example out of Porter here.

I'm a Raider fan and I hope they do. I hope they can afford to. Gabriel would be a fine WR 2.

Hey Ollie,Where do you think Al Davis is on the Shell vs Porter thing? We all know that's where the real horsepower is for the argument.

I tend to lean that he'll back Shell with it being right off the bat. If this had come up a year or two into Shell's term, that might be differnet. But he's got to back his "new" coach right off the bat, doesn't he?

J

 

[Joe Bryant]

For any of you guys that missed the Email Update this morning, (that's none of YOU guys, right... ) here's how it went down between Shell and Porter.

Source: Nancy Gay, San Francisco Chronicle

Nancy Gay has an article detailing the offseason conversation between Jerry Porter and Raiders management. Here's what she wrote:

On Tuesday, Porter spelled it out succinctly. He and Shell aren't on the same page.

Porter wants to be traded.

"Yes. Absolutely. I've told them that," Porter said on the team's first day of practice at training camp in Napa. Which, coincidentally, did not include Porter during the afternoon workout because of what Shell described as a strained calf muscle.

That's right. Day 1.

What a slap in the face to Shell. To owner Al Davis -- who handed Porter a $13 million signing bonus in 2005 to re-sign with the team -- and everyone else in Silver and Black.

How did it get so bad?

Shortly after Shell was hired Feb. 13, a reprise by Davis in the hope his moribund franchise might regain some semblance of respectability, Porter was summoned into the new boss' office for a get-to-know-you meeting.

As Porter recalls it, the conclave -- with wide receivers coach Fred Biletnikoff present -- went something like this:

"They were asking me what I was going to do as far as the offseason program goes," said Porter, who apparently already was bristling at Shell's take-charge approach. "And I told them, 'I just bought a place in Florida, so I'm going to go down to Florida and work with a trainer.' "

Porter continued. "And this is Freddie B talking. He said, 'What's the matter, stud, you're not gonna stay here for the program?' And I'm saying, 'Nah, I've got to get away and charge my batteries.'

"And (Biletnikoff) says, 'Well, your battery's not charged?'

"And I'm like, 'No.' "

From here, as Porter remembers it, the dialogue grew more heated.

Biletnikoff: "Your batteries aren't already charged?"

Porter: "No, they're not."

Biletnikoff: "So, what's the problem?"

Porter: "Well, for one thing, I don't like the way things are going around here."

At that point, Porter recalls, the head coach intervened.

"And then Art chimes in, 'Who the f -- do you think you are?' " Porter recalled. "And then it starts from there. Art says, 'Who ... do you think you're talking to?'

"And that was that." Porter said.

I'd say that was interesting when Shell got fired up there.J

 

[radballs]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Art Shell make an example out of Porter here.

I'm a Raider fan and I hope they do. I hope they can afford to. Gabriel would be a fine WR 2.

Hey Ollie,Where do you think Al Davis is on the Shell vs Porter thing? We all know that's where the real horsepower is for the argument.

I tend to lean that he'll back Shell with it being right off the bat. If this had come up a year or two into Shell's term, that might be differnet. But he's got to back his "new" coach right off the bat, doesn't he?

J

I think Al will back him here if they can afford it. I've heard a few figures that I'm not sure if are correct (an accelerated cap hit of $6 million) that could make it difficult to pull off. That said, if this continues they might not be able to NOT afford it (sorry for the double negative).

 

[Joe Bryant]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Art Shell make an example out of Porter here.

I'm a Raider fan and I hope they do. I hope they can afford to. Gabriel would be a fine WR 2.

Hey Ollie,Where do you think Al Davis is on the Shell vs Porter thing? We all know that's where the real horsepower is for the argument.

I tend to lean that he'll back Shell with it being right off the bat. If this had come up a year or two into Shell's term, that might be differnet. But he's got to back his "new" coach right off the bat, doesn't he?

J

I think Al will back him here if they can afford it. I've heard a few figures that I'm not sure if are correct (an accelerated cap hit of $6 million) that could make it difficult to pull off. That said, if this continues they might not be able to NOT afford it (sorry for the double negative).

I can see that. He's got to look at that big bonus he paid Porter and be with him acting this way now, doesn't he?I've never really thought of Porter as a Davis pet. Is that wrong?

J

 

[radballs]

I agree with Sapp. I'm guessing most will.

I agreed with Favre last year though. And tons didn't. Interesting.

J

Difference though was that Walker was looking to be more fairly compensated given his recent performance although I still agreed with Favre. Porter's already been paid and he's just an immature jerk.

But basically the same concept. Player is unhappy and wants a different deal or wants traded. Favre was killed for saying Walker ought to get into camp. I expect Sapp will be loved for what he said.

Sapp has the clout and reputation that he can say stuff like this more easily.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Art Shell make an example out of Porter here.

J

On top of what has already been posted about Favre, he also has the history of keeping everyone in suspense as to whether he'll retire, which also has the appearance of placing his own interests above the team. He looked like a hypocrite. I agree that while these situations superficially look similar, they're different in important ways when looked at closely.

In what important ways are they different when it comes to Sapp vs Favre?J

Maybe similar when comparing Sapp and Favre by blasting teammates in the media. But the players they're calling out are/were completely different. Javon, at that point, really came into his own in 2004, was not too much of a malcontent and was vastly underpaid even though he did sign the contract. Porter has already seen a big payday, has always been hurt or underperformed, and he has a huge personality disorder bordering on a T.O. level.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I agree with Sapp. I'm guessing most will.

I agreed with Favre last year though. And tons didn't. Interesting.

J

Difference though was that Walker was looking to be more fairly compensated given his recent performance although I still agreed with Favre. Porter's already been paid and he's just an immature jerk.

But basically the same concept. Player is unhappy and wants a different deal or wants traded. Favre was killed for saying Walker ought to get into camp. I expect Sapp will be loved for what he said.

Sapp has the clout and reputation that he can say stuff like this more easily.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Art Shell make an example out of Porter here.

J

On top of what has already been posted about Favre, he also has the history of keeping everyone in suspense as to whether he'll retire, which also has the appearance of placing his own interests above the team. He looked like a hypocrite. I agree that while these situations superficially look similar, they're different in important ways when looked at closely.

In what important ways are they different when it comes to Sapp vs Favre?J

Maybe similar when comparing Sapp and Favre by blasting teammates in the media. But the players they're calling out are/were completely different. Javon, at that point, really came into his own in 2004, was not too much of a malcontent and was vastly underpaid even though he did sign the contract. Porter has already seen a big payday, has always been hurt or underperformed, and he has a huge personality disorder bordering on a T.O. level.

For sure, Ollie. I'm talking about the people who said Favre violated the unwritten rule that you don't call out a team mate in public for contract / trade status regardless of what kind of attitude they've shown or really whether the player is right or wrong. That's what I mean.J

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Porter showed up at camp wearing a WWE-style belt with a dollar sign on it:

http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2006/07/2...aiders241df.jpg

 

[JohnnyU]

Isn't Sapp ripping Porter like John Wayne Gacy preaching to Ted Bundy?

 

[Lightning Fast Whip]

Someone ought to review some history with Porter. Maybe Marcus Allen could have a little chat with him about what Big Al will try to do to a career if he doesn't like you. Marcus was getting paid and getting ****** at the same time.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Porter showed up at camp wearing a WWE-style belt with a dollar sign on it:

http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2006/07/2...aiders241df.jpg

Did he borrow it from Clinton Portis? J

 

[Keys Myaths]

Porter showed up at camp wearing a WWE-style belt with a dollar sign on it:

http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2006/07/2...aiders241df.jpg

Did he borrow it from Clinton Portis? J

That's actually the Million Dollar Championship, formerly held by Ted DiBiase.

 

[Sigfawn]

I agree with Sapp. I'm guessing most will.

I agreed with Favre last year though. And tons didn't. Interesting.

J

Thanks Joe, Totally different situation.

Walker was UNDERPAID - almost everyone agreed on that fact.

Porter is OVERPAID - almost everyone agrees to that fact.

Why is Porter holding out? It's not even clear!

Walker was a probowl WR, playing on a bad rookie contract, and wanted an extension to STAY with GB.

Lastly, people have far more respect for Favre then Sapp. It's not even close. Sapp is overrated, and a loud mouth. Favre is a HOF QB. Ever listen to sports talk radio when someone rips Favre? You get tons of e-mails/callers defending Favre till the end of time. Sapp? Fat. Doesn't produce. Talks a lot. The reason people are siding with Sapp, has nothing to do with the messenger, it has to do with the message. Sapp is correct. Favre was largely incorrect.

It's not comparing apples and oranges, it's comparing apples and dogs.

 

[Bruno2]

As a fan, the whole Porter fiasco just doesn't sit well with me. There's nothing worse for Art Shell than starting his first (in along time) training camp with a major distraction like this. Jerry Porter is a big baby. His pouting actually began when they traded for Randy Moss. Porter's had many opportunites to become the #1 WR for the Raiders and he's never been able to do it. And Al Davis still throws millions of dollars at him and he acts like this? They should cut him loose right now and let Porter go somewhere else and show the rest of the NFL he's just another Alvin Harper or Peerless Price.

 

[Cookiemonster]

At this point, I'm willing to watch Al Davis bury him on the depth chart and pay him way too much to waste his career away on the bench of an average team.

 

[Big Score]

As a fan, the whole Porter fiasco just doesn't sit well with me. There's nothing worse for Art Shell than starting his first (in along time) training camp with a major distraction like this. Jerry Porter is a big baby. His pouting actually began when they traded for Randy Moss. Porter's had many opportunites to become the #1 WR for the Raiders and he's never been able to do it. And Al Davis still throws millions of dollars at him and he acts like this? They should cut him loose right now and let Porter go somewhere else and show the rest of the NFL he's just another Alvin Harper or Peerless Price.

Well, to be fair, those "many opportunites to become the #1 WR for the Raiders" was actually only one opportunity and that was in 2004.

 

[Lightning Fast Whip]

As a fan, the whole Porter fiasco just doesn't sit well with me. There's nothing worse for Art Shell than starting his first (in along time) training camp with a major distraction like this. Jerry Porter is a big baby. His pouting actually began when they traded for Randy Moss. Porter's had many opportunites to become the #1 WR for the Raiders and he's never been able to do it. And Al Davis still throws millions of dollars at him and he acts like this? They should cut him loose right now and let Porter go somewhere else and show the rest of the NFL he's just another Alvin Harper or Peerless Price. 

Well, to be fair, those "many opportunites to become the #1 WR for the Raiders" was actually only one opportunity and that was in 2004.

Not really true. A good WR could have beat out those Dinosaurs that were in front of him in 2003.

 

[radballs]

I agree with Sapp. I'm guessing most will.

I agreed with Favre last year though. And tons didn't. Interesting.

J

Difference though was that Walker was looking to be more fairly compensated given his recent performance although I still agreed with Favre. Porter's already been paid and he's just an immature jerk.

But basically the same concept. Player is unhappy and wants a different deal or wants traded. Favre was killed for saying Walker ought to get into camp. I expect Sapp will be loved for what he said.

Sapp has the clout and reputation that he can say stuff like this more easily.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Art Shell make an example out of Porter here.

J

On top of what has already been posted about Favre, he also has the history of keeping everyone in suspense as to whether he'll retire, which also has the appearance of placing his own interests above the team. He looked like a hypocrite. I agree that while these situations superficially look similar, they're different in important ways when looked at closely.

In what important ways are they different when it comes to Sapp vs Favre?J

Maybe similar when comparing Sapp and Favre by blasting teammates in the media. But the players they're calling out are/were completely different. Javon, at that point, really came into his own in 2004, was not too much of a malcontent and was vastly underpaid even though he did sign the contract. Porter has already seen a big payday, has always been hurt or underperformed, and he has a huge personality disorder bordering on a T.O. level.

For sure, Ollie. I'm talking about the people who said Favre violated the unwritten rule that you don't call out a team mate in public for contract / trade status regardless of what kind of attitude they've shown or really whether the player is right or wrong. That's what I mean.J

Gotcha. News stories sure would be boring if these players didn't spout off. But, I think in general it is poor taste for any of this to be aired out in the media by anyone other than the player himself. And even in that case, 90% of the time they should just keep their traps shut, act like professionals, and handle these matters in house like grown men should do.

 

[Cookiemonster]

As a fan, the whole Porter fiasco just doesn't sit well with me. There's nothing worse for Art Shell than starting his first (in along time) training camp with a major distraction like this. Jerry Porter is a big baby. His pouting actually began when they traded for Randy Moss. Porter's had many opportunites to become the #1 WR for the Raiders and he's never been able to do it. And Al Davis still throws millions of dollars at him and he acts like this? They should cut him loose right now and let Porter go somewhere else and show the rest of the NFL he's just another Alvin Harper or Peerless Price. 

Well, to be fair, those "many opportunites to become the #1 WR for the Raiders" was actually only one opportunity and that was in 2004.

And he has come through with some good stretches, only to dissappear again later on, or the next season, or into the trainer's room.

 

[Bruno2]

As a fan, the whole Porter fiasco just doesn't sit well with me. There's nothing worse for Art Shell than starting his first (in along time) training camp with a major distraction like this. Jerry Porter is a big baby. His pouting actually began when they traded for Randy Moss. Porter's had many opportunites to become the #1 WR for the Raiders and he's never been able to do it. And Al Davis still throws millions of dollars at him and he acts like this? They should cut him loose right now and let Porter go somewhere else and show the rest of the NFL he's just another Alvin Harper or Peerless Price. 

Well, to be fair, those "many opportunites to become the #1 WR for the Raiders" was actually only one opportunity and that was in 2004.

Yeah, your right, I got on bit of a rant there.

 

[redman]

I agree with Sapp. I'm guessing most will.

I agreed with Favre last year though. And tons didn't. Interesting.

J

Difference though was that Walker was looking to be more fairly compensated given his recent performance although I still agreed with Favre. Porter's already been paid and he's just an immature jerk.

But basically the same concept. Player is unhappy and wants a different deal or wants traded. Favre was killed for saying Walker ought to get into camp. I expect Sapp will be loved for what he said.

Sapp has the clout and reputation that he can say stuff like this more easily.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Art Shell make an example out of Porter here.

J

On top of what has already been posted about Favre, he also has the history of keeping everyone in suspense as to whether he'll retire, which also has the appearance of placing his own interests above the team. He looked like a hypocrite. I agree that while these situations superficially look similar, they're different in important ways when looked at closely.

In what important ways are they different when it comes to Sapp vs Favre?J

I don't see Sapp demanding trade or otherwise placing himself above the team, and I say that fully acknowledging that Sapp loves the camera and microphone. Favre (and I agree this is unique in his career) has twice in two years allowed his team to go well into the offseason, past the prime FA signing period, wondering whether he's going to retire or not. Marino didn't do that. Elway didn't do that. Aikman did a slight version of that, but that's explained mostly by the fact that an injury knocked him out of his last year in Dallas. So with that as a backdrop, Favre then calls out a guy for not being a team player because he wants a new contract (and BTW, deserves it) in a sport where contracts are not guaranteed? This BTW is not like Porter who has zero complaints about money (and shouldn't) but who simply decided that he didn't want to participate in team activities with a new coach who actually dared to make him accountable and try to turn the program around.

 

[Big Score]

As a fan, the whole Porter fiasco just doesn't sit well with me. There's nothing worse for Art Shell than starting his first (in along time) training camp with a major distraction like this. Jerry Porter is a big baby. His pouting actually began when they traded for Randy Moss. Porter's had many opportunites to become the #1 WR for the Raiders and he's never been able to do it. And Al Davis still throws millions of dollars at him and he acts like this? They should cut him loose right now and let Porter go somewhere else and show the rest of the NFL he's just another Alvin Harper or Peerless Price. 

Well, to be fair, those "many opportunites to become the #1 WR for the Raiders" was actually only one opportunity and that was in 2004.

Not really true. A good WR could have beat out those Dinosaurs that were in front of him in 2003.

Guess you've forgotten Porter only appeared in 10 games in 2003 and ended up having surgery for an initially improperly diagnosed abdominal tear.I don't think even Holt, Harrison, or TO would've been able to beat out Rice & Brown, while playing with an abdominal tear.

 

[massraider]

I'm no Sapp supporter, but the reason this is so different is simply the fact that Porter isn't looking for money. Walker was. You don't get involved in another players contract negotiations.

But you see team leaders call out malcontents all the time.

Maybe it's contradictory, but I thought Favre was out of line, and have no problem with what Sapp said.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I'm no Sapp supporter, but the reason this is so different is simply the fact that Porter isn't looking for money. Walker was. You don't get involved in another players contract negotiations.

But you see team leaders call out malcontents all the time.

Maybe it's contradictory, but I thought Favre was out of line, and have no problem with what Sapp said.

Hi Mass,You see it happen sometimes but oftentimes, the guy calling out is ripped as he's violating that unwritten rule we spoke of. You don't call out a team mate in the press for how he's handling his contract or trade negotiations.

We've seen that in full force with Ashley Lelie.

But Favre did it and was ripped. Roethlisberger got ripped some for doing the "won't return my calls" thing with Holmes.

I just found it interesting that Sapp gets love for doing essentially the same thing.

Just an observation of what seems hypocritical to me.

J

 

[massraider]

I'm no Sapp supporter, but the reason this is so different is simply the fact that Porter isn't looking for money.  Walker was.  You don't get involved in another players contract negotiations. 

But you see team leaders call out malcontents all the time.

Maybe it's contradictory, but I thought Favre was out of line, and have no problem with what Sapp said.

Hi Mass,You see it happen sometimes but oftentimes, the guy calling out is ripped as he's violating that unwritten rule we spoke of. You don't call out a team mate in the press for how he's handling his contract or trade negotiations.

We've seen that in full force with Ashley Lelie.

But Favre did it and was ripped. Roethlisberger got ripped some for doing the "won't return my calls" thing with Holmes.

I just found it interesting that Sapp gets love for doing essentially the same thing.

Just an observation of what seems hypocritical to me.

J

No, I see your point. If I had to put my finger on it, it's the fact that Porter doesn't have a leg to stand on. Walker, people could see where he was coming from.Porter, the guy gets paid, despite lack of consistency, to a solid contract.

By all accounts, the Raiders have babied him, given him what he's wanted the whole time, and are rewarded with a lazy guy who pulls up with a lame quad on Day 1 of camp.

Basically, I see what you're saying, but Porter's knuckleheadedness has apparently trumped any etiquette violations on Sapp's part.

 

[Reaper]

I agree with Sapp. I'm guessing most will.

I agreed with Favre last year though. And tons didn't. Interesting.

J

Thanks Joe, Totally different situation.

Walker was UNDERPAID - almost everyone agreed on that fact.

Porter is OVERPAID - almost everyone agrees to that fact.

Why is Porter holding out? It's not even clear!

Walker was a probowl WR, playing on a bad rookie contract, and wanted an extension to STAY with GB.

Lastly, people have far more respect for Favre then Sapp. It's not even close. Sapp is overrated, and a loud mouth. Favre is a HOF QB. Ever listen to sports talk radio when someone rips Favre? You get tons of e-mails/callers defending Favre till the end of time. Sapp? Fat. Doesn't produce. Talks a lot. The reason people are siding with Sapp, has nothing to do with the messenger, it has to do with the message. Sapp is correct. Favre was largely incorrect.

It's not comparing apples and oranges, it's comparing apples and dogs.

Porter is out of his mind and has to go.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Basically, I see what you're saying, but Porter's knuckleheadedness has apparently trumped any etiquette violations on Sapp's part.

I think that's probably it, Mass.J

 

[Lightning Fast Whip]

As a fan, the whole Porter fiasco just doesn't sit well with me. There's nothing worse for Art Shell than starting his first (in along time) training camp with a major distraction like this. Jerry Porter is a big baby. His pouting actually began when they traded for Randy Moss. Porter's had many opportunites to become the #1 WR for the Raiders and he's never been able to do it. And Al Davis still throws millions of dollars at him and he acts like this? They should cut him loose right now and let Porter go somewhere else and show the rest of the NFL he's just another Alvin Harper or Peerless Price. 

Well, to be fair, those "many opportunites to become the #1 WR for the Raiders" was actually only one opportunity and that was in 2004.

Not really true. A good WR could have beat out those Dinosaurs that were in front of him in 2003.

Guess you've forgotten Porter only appeared in 10 games in 2003 and ended up having surgery for an initially improperly diagnosed abdominal tear.I don't think even Holt, Harrison, or TO would've been able to beat out Rice & Brown, while playing with an abdominal tear.

He couldn't beat out Brown for #2 in 2002 (of course he blames Gruden not himself). Wasn't going to beat out Rice until Rice was practically in a walker. TO beat out Rice just fine. If Porter was a true #1 he'd have done the same before 2004. He hadn't beat out Rice in 2003 before the injury or after returning from it. In fact Curry was putting up better stats even in 2004 than Porter before Curry got hurt again. Porter is a #2 nothing better despite his appearance wearing a title belt. I hope Al Davis and Shell bury him on the bench and Curry stays healthy enough to keep him there.

 

[Borat]

Still waiting for Sapp to retire as promised, since Russ Hochstein and the Patriots beat his team.

 

[Bizkiteer]

I agree with Sapp. I'm guessing most will.

I agreed with Favre last year though. And tons didn't. Interesting.

J

Difference though was that Walker was looking to be more fairly compensated given his recent performance although I still agreed with Favre. Porter's already been paid and he's just an immature jerk.

But basically the same concept. Player is unhappy and wants a different deal or wants traded. Favre was killed for saying Walker ought to get into camp. I expect Sapp will be loved for what he said.

Sapp has the clout and reputation that he can say stuff like this more easily.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Art Shell make an example out of Porter here.

J

On top of what has already been posted about Favre, he also has the history of keeping everyone in suspense as to whether he'll retire, which also has the appearance of placing his own interests above the team. He looked like a hypocrite. I agree that while these situations superficially look similar, they're different in important ways when looked at closely.

In what important ways are they different when it comes to Sapp vs Favre?J

They are differnt in that Favre put his nose in another player's contract dispute. Players just don't talk about other players and their money situations, especially when that player is looked as a leader. Favre's aother point was that he said Javon should be there, but Brett had no problem with Bubba Franks not being there.Now for Sapp, he's just talking about Porter's whinning. His complaining, the way he appears to be pouting, and now demanding a trade.

There, that is the difference..simply put.

 

[Bizkiteer]

I'm no Sapp supporter, but the reason this is so different is simply the fact that Porter isn't looking for money. Walker was. You don't get involved in another players contract negotiations.

But you see team leaders call out malcontents all the time.

Maybe it's contradictory, but I thought Favre was out of line, and have no problem with what Sapp said.

Saw this after my last post...well said!

 

[Joe Bryant]

I agree with Sapp. I'm guessing most will.

I agreed with Favre last year though. And tons didn't. Interesting.

J

Difference though was that Walker was looking to be more fairly compensated given his recent performance although I still agreed with Favre. Porter's already been paid and he's just an immature jerk.

But basically the same concept. Player is unhappy and wants a different deal or wants traded. Favre was killed for saying Walker ought to get into camp. I expect Sapp will be loved for what he said.

Sapp has the clout and reputation that he can say stuff like this more easily.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Art Shell make an example out of Porter here.

J

On top of what has already been posted about Favre, he also has the history of keeping everyone in suspense as to whether he'll retire, which also has the appearance of placing his own interests above the team. He looked like a hypocrite. I agree that while these situations superficially look similar, they're different in important ways when looked at closely.

In what important ways are they different when it comes to Sapp vs Favre?J

They are differnt in that Favre put his nose in another player's contract dispute. Players just don't talk about other players and their money situations, especially when that player is looked as a leader. Favre's aother point was that he said Javon should be there, but Brett had no problem with Bubba Franks not being there.Now for Sapp, he's just talking about Porter's whinning. His complaining and the way he appears to be pouting.

There, that is the difference..simply put.

He's talking about Porter wanting a trade.Something none of the Broncos are doing as they observe the unwritten rule. That's all I'm saying.

J

 

[Borat]

They are differnt in that Favre put his nose in another player's contract dispute. Players just don't talk about other players and their money situations, especially when that player is looked as a leader...

I'm not convinced that players on the Packers these days view Favre quite so much as the great leader that fans and the media talking heads like to paint him as being.

 

[SteelerMurf]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Art Shell make an example out of Porter here.

I'm a Raider fan and I hope they do. I hope they can afford to. Gabriel would be a fine WR 2.

Gabriel at #2 would be a much better fantasy option than Porter has been at #2 (or even when he was really #1 for a while)

 

[Bizkiteer]

I agree with Sapp. I'm guessing most will.

I agreed with Favre last year though. And tons didn't. Interesting.

J

Difference though was that Walker was looking to be more fairly compensated given his recent performance although I still agreed with Favre. Porter's already been paid and he's just an immature jerk.

But basically the same concept. Player is unhappy and wants a different deal or wants traded. Favre was killed for saying Walker ought to get into camp. I expect Sapp will be loved for what he said.

Sapp has the clout and reputation that he can say stuff like this more easily.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Art Shell make an example out of Porter here.

J

On top of what has already been posted about Favre, he also has the history of keeping everyone in suspense as to whether he'll retire, which also has the appearance of placing his own interests above the team. He looked like a hypocrite. I agree that while these situations superficially look similar, they're different in important ways when looked at closely.

In what important ways are they different when it comes to Sapp vs Favre?J

They are differnt in that Favre put his nose in another player's contract dispute. Players just don't talk about other players and their money situations, especially when that player is looked as a leader. Favre's aother point was that he said Javon should be there, but Brett had no problem with Bubba Franks not being there.Now for Sapp, he's just talking about Porter's whinning. His complaining and the way he appears to be pouting.

There, that is the difference..simply put.

He's talking about Porter wanting a trade.Something none of the Broncos are doing as they observe the unwritten rule. That's all I'm saying.

J

I think many of the Broncos aren't talking about Lelie in regards that he claims that he wants to be the #1, while Mr Bronco Rod SMith is still there. Kind of a slap in the face of a guy who been there for ages and is well liked. Thus, people just turned him off. Add that they got Javon..will they really miss him or need him? So, out of sight out of mind in regards how the rest of the players act.Porter on the other hand is needed more and seems to be doing his own acting role of TO of sorts.

Anytime there is a change in the work culture or environment, there are those that oppose it and those that jump onboard. After awhile people either change and jump on board too or they leave for someplace else. Just the natural way of things in the workplace. It appears that this is the same in OAK w/ Porter opposed and Sapp having jumped onboard already.

 

[hickbones]

I agree with Sapp. I'm guessing most will.

I agreed with Favre last year though. And tons didn't. Interesting.

J

Difference though was that Walker was looking to be more fairly compensated given his recent performance although I still agreed with Favre. Porter's already been paid and he's just an immature jerk.

But basically the same concept. Player is unhappy and wants a different deal or wants traded. Favre was killed for saying Walker ought to get into camp. I expect Sapp will be loved for what he said.

Sapp has the clout and reputation that he can say stuff like this more easily.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Art Shell make an example out of Porter here.

J

On top of what has already been posted about Favre, he also has the history of keeping everyone in suspense as to whether he'll retire, which also has the appearance of placing his own interests above the team. He looked like a hypocrite. I agree that while these situations superficially look similar, they're different in important ways when looked at closely.

In what important ways are they different when it comes to Sapp vs Favre?J

They are differnt in that Favre put his nose in another player's contract dispute. Players just don't talk about other players and their money situations, especially when that player is looked as a leader. Favre's aother point was that he said Javon should be there, but Brett had no problem with Bubba Franks not being there.Now for Sapp, he's just talking about Porter's whinning. His complaining and the way he appears to be pouting.

There, that is the difference..simply put.

He's talking about Porter wanting a trade.Something none of the Broncos are doing as they observe the unwritten rule. That's all I'm saying.

J

That's enough out of you, Joe. You've passed your 2 hours a week message board time. Get back to work on that e-mail newsletter!

 

[Assani Fisher]

I agree with Sapp. I'm guessing most will.

I agreed with Favre last year though. And tons didn't. Interesting.

J

Difference though was that Walker was looking to be more fairly compensated given his recent performance although I still agreed with Favre. Porter's already been paid and he's just an immature jerk.

But basically the same concept. Player is unhappy and wants a different deal or wants traded. Favre was killed for saying Walker ought to get into camp. I expect Sapp will be loved for what he said.

Sapp has the clout and reputation that he can say stuff like this more easily.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Art Shell make an example out of Porter here.

J

I don't like either comment. Teamates should communicate face-to-face, not through the media. I don't see the point in calling someone out in the media.

 

[raidergil]

I agree with Sapp. I'm guessing most will.

I agreed with Favre last year though. And tons didn't. Interesting.

J

Difference though was that Walker was looking to be more fairly compensated given his recent performance although I still agreed with Favre. Porter's already been paid and he's just an immature jerk.

But basically the same concept. Player is unhappy and wants a different deal or wants traded. Favre was killed for saying Walker ought to get into camp. I expect Sapp will be loved for what he said.

Sapp has the clout and reputation that he can say stuff like this more easily.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Art Shell make an example out of Porter here.

J

I don't like either comment. Teamates should communicate face-to-face, not through the media. I don't see the point in calling someone out in the media.

Normally I would say this is great that AL paid Porter big money & now Shell says 'go to he**'. But it is Raiders so I can't trust anything until Al is gone.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I agree with Sapp. I'm guessing most will.

I agreed with Favre last year though. And tons didn't. Interesting.

J

Difference though was that Walker was looking to be more fairly compensated given his recent performance although I still agreed with Favre. Porter's already been paid and he's just an immature jerk.

But basically the same concept. Player is unhappy and wants a different deal or wants traded. Favre was killed for saying Walker ought to get into camp. I expect Sapp will be loved for what he said.

Sapp has the clout and reputation that he can say stuff like this more easily.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Art Shell make an example out of Porter here.

J

On top of what has already been posted about Favre, he also has the history of keeping everyone in suspense as to whether he'll retire, which also has the appearance of placing his own interests above the team. He looked like a hypocrite. I agree that while these situations superficially look similar, they're different in important ways when looked at closely.

In what important ways are they different when it comes to Sapp vs Favre?J

They are differnt in that Favre put his nose in another player's contract dispute. Players just don't talk about other players and their money situations, especially when that player is looked as a leader. Favre's aother point was that he said Javon should be there, but Brett had no problem with Bubba Franks not being there.Now for Sapp, he's just talking about Porter's whinning. His complaining and the way he appears to be pouting.

There, that is the difference..simply put.

He's talking about Porter wanting a trade.Something none of the Broncos are doing as they observe the unwritten rule. That's all I'm saying.

J

I think many of the Broncos aren't talking about Lelie in regards that he claims that he wants to be the #1, while Mr Bronco Rod SMith is still there. Kind of a slap in the face of a guy who been there for ages and is well liked. Thus, people just turned him off. Add that they got Javon..will they really miss him or need him? So, out of sight out of mind in regards how the rest of the players act.Porter on the other hand is needed more and seems to be doing his own acting role of TO of sorts.

Anytime there is a change in the work culture or environment, there are those that oppose it and those that jump onboard. After awhile people either change and jump on board too or they leave for someplace else. Just the natural way of things in the workplace. It appears that this is the same in OAK w/ Porter opposed and Sapp having jumped onboard already.

That's a good theory I guess but I think the Broncos aren't talking about Lelie for the reason most players don't talk about that stuff (and what I keep saying) There's an unwritten rule that you don't get into another player's business with the media.I'm fine with Favre doing it and Sapp too. I just find some hypocrisy there.

J

 

[jdoggydogg]

I agree with Sapp. I'm guessing most will.

I agreed with Favre last year though. And tons didn't. Interesting.

J

I am not always going to defend holdouts, but they are essentially the only leverage a player holds. That said, I see a difference between Porter and Walker. Walker was fast becoming an elite WR, and he was being paid a paltry sum by NFL standards. When ownership doesn't pay a good player a comensurate salary, it means the player could be hurt any time and his earning power will be significantly reduced. I do like Favre a lot, and I understand why he said what he said.

Porter, however, is an underachieveing malcontent that recently signed a very generous contract. Porter will be playing for big money this year, Walker would have played for a bit more than the league minimum last year.