Weebs210
Footballguy
I'm just messing around but I was really talking mostly about Oakland. They have a top 5 offensive line and Lynch is running nice and you throw it 3 straight times from the one...
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Week 1 surprises. What stood out to you? (1 Viewer)
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I know they played a terrible Saints D but I misread/misjudged the fantasy landscape in MIN....in a big way....their players are better than I thought they were (improved)...I have to let go of some of the old leftover feelings about certain teams being a fantasy wasteland.....those two WR's are legit....
there is a reason Dalton doesn't get much fantasy respect....he may have some big games that even out his stats at the end of the year....but it's really hard to have confidence in him as a weekly play....
it's fun to make fun of CLE.....but they are going to be competitive every week I think....
I thought if the defense jumps in the neutral zone causing the offense to move....that because the offense also moved before the snap, that the play was blown dead....I guess not...as IIRC I saw it a few times including on the first DEN passing TD....O lineman moves before snap but they let them play on..
Melvin Ingram is a beast.....
TEN lost but they could very easily win the division......
I think Corey Davis will end up being a steal for the way he fell in many drafts....
there is a reason Dalton doesn't get much fantasy respect....he may have some big games that even out his stats at the end of the year....but it's really hard to have confidence in him as a weekly play....
it's fun to make fun of CLE.....but they are going to be competitive every week I think....
I thought if the defense jumps in the neutral zone causing the offense to move....that because the offense also moved before the snap, that the play was blown dead....I guess not...as IIRC I saw it a few times including on the first DEN passing TD....O lineman moves before snap but they let them play on..
Melvin Ingram is a beast.....
TEN lost but they could very easily win the division......
I think Corey Davis will end up being a steal for the way he fell in many drafts....
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koreansteve
Footballguy
Flysack, probably the best post I've ever seen in this forum. You nailed it.
Weebs210
Footballguy
On the contrary, that white guilt is sickening. Kap doesn't have a job because he blows. Why isn't Tebow a starting QB in the league? Those white owners must hate Jesus.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
No worries mate. You've given it more thought than me; bless you and your convictions.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Week 1 surprises:
1. KC's offense
2. Minn's offense
3. flysack's diatribe
1. KC's offense
2. Minn's offense
3. flysack's diatribe
Fireinside
Footballguy
Excellent argumentation. Colts really did have something in Tolzien and they threw it away... I say, give this Tolzien kid a chance again and he will succeed.
My fantasy team won by two points on Diggs performance on Monday night. That wa pretty exciting
rockaction
Footballguy
Did you seriously just cite the Arab Spring as a defense of the positive virtues of the democratization of media?
Oh my.
You're so far gone, you don't even realize it.
rockaction
Footballguy
Thanks, FF Ninja. They call me crazy over in the FFA. Makes me happy to know that there's a place for pure football here. My thread got locked; I'm fine with it.Did you seriously just cite the Arab Spring as a defense of the positive virtues of the democratization of media?
Oh my.
You're so far gone, you don't even realize it.
Mavis
Footballguy
What is happening? He is going on about the Arab spring in many threads.
What stood out was the fact that studs did not perform at all with only a few exceptions.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Jeez, I'm not losing my mind. I drafted Hill and Thielen in the fifth and eighth as my WR's and Bell and Elliott as my RB's. I'm doing well, actually.
I don't know how to say this without being put on time out from this site that I love. They cut women's ######s off in Egypt. That's what they do.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Why did they give LA 2 teams? This is a dumb question that I don't know the answer to. Someone help me.
How about neither? And who said it was an intense habit?I don't venture into the FFA very often. Isn't that where people talk about politics and the bachelor?
Speaking of non-football talk, who is that in your avatar? Looks a bit like Aubrey Plaza, but I know it's not... always makes me wonder.
Chaka
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, FFA is probably a different speed. I like both the FFA and The Shark Pool, which makes me a rarity. I'm one of the guilty.
Regardless, that's Anna Karina. She was Godard's muse in French New Wave. I'm not pretentious, she's just beautiful. I can watch his films because of her, frankly.
Not sure why this would be a surprise. Defenses are frequently ahead of offenses early in the season, and fantasy scores are usually at their lowest in the first three weeks. On the flip side, there's usually 3 or 4 unknown players that have monster weeks early before opposing coordinators take notice and game-plan for them.
MattFancy
Footballguy
Not necessarily a surprise that defenses are ahead, just a bit of a surprise at how many of the top picks seemed to have off weeks.
Chaka
Footballguy
Yeah LA has generally been a mediocre NFL town.
But, for whatever reason, they it is a good/great town for every other sport. Dodgers top 3 million every season like clockwork. Lakers do great historically, Kings are typically top 10 even when they aren't contending. USC and UCLA have the football market on lockdown too.
My personal opinion is that the relative lack of NFL attendance success is a due to a combination of a transient population, increasing PITAness in getting to below average/terrible venues (a lot of USC fans/students live near the stadium. NFL doesn't have that) and a general lack of success on the field.
I think when KronkeLand is finished it will help (state of the art venue+much better location) and if the Rams and/or Chargers start winning by then (and start doing so consistently) you will see an explosion in attendance. A lot goes into whether that is sustainable but it is possible for an NFL team to have attendance success in LA.
But yeah, historically not a great NFL town.
Personally I didn't want the NFL to return and I was born and raised there.
simey
Footballguy
Personally, I think some people will find anything to complain about. There will never be perfect commentators, but they all have a passion for the sport they are calling, and they do their best in being an analyst for the game. There were people complaining about the commentators for the Broncos/Chargers game before it even started. I didn't think Beth and Rex were that bad. Beth was at ease calling the game, and Rex was learning how to be an analyst. Sergio made me smile. Some people were saying they were going to mute their televisions. If their attention is that distracted by some commentators, maybe they should look into getting a prescription of Ritalin, and maybe even a script of Xanax since the commentators were causing apparent anxiety in these disgruntled viewers.
Ahhh, thanks mystery solved.
Wow, there's a political subforum now. Things have changed a bit over there. Oh man, I forgot about the oddly attractive thread. That's a good'un.
flysack
Footballguy
Kurt Warner
2002 STL. 0-6, 65.5% completion %, 1431 yds, 3 TDs, 11 Ints.
2003 STL. 2-1, 58.5% completion %, 365 yds, 1 TD, 1 Ints.
Yet the Giants decided to sign him.
2004 NYG. 2-8, 62.8% completion %, 2054 yds, 6 TDs, 4 Ints
Yet the Cardinals decided to sign him.
Brock Osweiler
HOU 2016. 8-6, 59% completion %, 2057 yds, 15 TDs, 16 Ints
Yet the Broncos decided to sign him.
Tim Tebow
2011 DEN 7-4, 46.5% completion %, 1729 yds (660 rushing), 12 TDs (+6 rushing), 6 Ints
Yet the Jets traded for him and rostered him for a season.
Colin Kaepernick
2016 SFO 1-10, 59.2% completion %, 2241 yds (468yds rushing), 16 TDs (+2 rushing), 4 Ints
Unemployed
Curiously, the vast majority of people who try to float a stats-based argument for the Kap situation are white.
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flysack
Footballguy
I've smoked a great deal as a teenager, and occasionally do now, and I can say with confidence that no causal college student smoker sucks mega-hits through a gas mask.
I welcome any other smokers to confirm or deny that.
flysack
Footballguy
Absolutely. Note I said, "say what you will about its tragic results." In its beginning it was full of students and other oppressed people protesting against various atrocious governments. So, yes, it is an example of social media organization.Did you seriously just cite the Arab Spring as a defense of the positive virtues of the democratization of media?
Oh my.
You're so far gone, you don't even realize it.
rockaction
Footballguy
I did note that. I love that you're on the boards, by the way. We're better off for having you, and I take your nuance. I just vehemently disagree with your point.
Weebs210
Footballguy
Kaep averaged less than 200 yds a game passing last year. That is TERRIBLE. Dude is a terrible QB now that he is slow and not a threat to take one to the house with his legs. It is no wonder he is a FA. Can't make reads, can't run fast...What is he good at again?
Edit: forgot he was benched for Blaine Gabbert. Hahahahahahahaha hahahaha.
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NeverEnough
Footballguy
I miss John Madden & Pat Summerall.
I'm a smoker and that's why I took issue with it. If you're in shape and have your head on right, it doesn't matter if you smoke during your down time. And as a periodic smoker, you're going to try to tell me that if you were a ~20 year old kid and you were smoking at your friend's house and someone pulled out one of those, you wouldn't take a hit from it?? I would have then and I would now.
rockaction
Footballguy
On the uncouth note of talking about female commentators calling male sports, I love Doris Burke. Why they made her a sideline reporter is beyond me. Just the best.
Chaka
Footballguy
Your analysis reeks of confirmation bias.
If we quote all the stats that suggest he is better than all that, you quote one stat that supports your bias.
If we point out all of the starting and backup QBs whose stats don't come close to Kaepernick's, you will pivot and say his playing style does not fit any offenses.
If we point out all the offenses that are incredibly well suited for his playing style, you'll say something to the effect of "He's terrible" and leave it at that.
There is one reason Kaepernick is not rostered and it has zero to do with his ability on the field. The shame of it is that teams have no problem rostering killers, drug users, spousal abusers, dog murderers and the like. I would blame the teams but the truth is their decision reflects what they perceive their fan base to want. So what does that say about NFL fans? If you beat women and children, drive drunk (and kill people), abuse drugs, kill dogs etc. that's perfectly acceptable to them but heaven forbid you peacefully protest during America's sacred song. It's pathetic.
Unfortunately this discussion does not belong in this thread. Not because Kaepernick is a volatile discussion topic rather because it is, sadly, not a surprise he is not on a roster.
Good job.
flyingsushi
Footballguy
What stood out to me is the Colts are much much worse than I think people realize, and that is really terrible.
Chaka
Footballguy
From last season? Gladly. But I never used the term "good QB" so let's try not to move the goal posts.
Here's two from last year:
16:4 TD:INT ratio
90.7 QB rating
Even for his average stats (6.8 YA or 187 Y/G) compare him to some of the jokers currently occupying NFL rosters.
Be honest, how many QBs who have been to multiple championship games and a Super Bowl have ended up unrostered at 29 years old? The Tim Tebow comparison is a red herring. Talent is not the reason he is not on a roster. It's a perception of potential lost revenue because fans may decide that while DUI manslaughter, beating children with sticks, beating women, torturing and/or murdering dogs are perfectly acceptable; peaceful protesting is not. It's shameful.
Weebs210
Footballguy
Captain check down stats. It's easy to have a high qbr when the other team is up 20 on you and allowing underneath completions. His average pass was 6.8 yds. Pathetic. This league doesn't care about what you did in the past.
Chaka
Footballguy
If you think the league doesn't care about what you did in the past why are you using it as an example for why he shouldn't be signed?
Weebs210
Footballguy
I'm talking about positive things you have done in the past. They are looking at his atrocious play from 2016 not when he was in his prime against the Ravens in the Superbowl. He has been on a steady decline to the point of being benched for Blaine Gabbert.
I'm not really that interested in talking about CK, but this line piqued my interest and my resulting question isn't specifically about him... Are there any NFL offenses that are "incredibly well suited" for one read QBs? If there were, Vince Young would still be in the league. I don't see a lot of difference between VY and CK. CK actually lasted one more year in the NFL than VY.
Chaka
Footballguy
Ok, but still, athletic QBs who can only make 1 read just don't get picked up by NFL teams when they're past their "raw with upside" years. Teams would rather take a shot at younger guys or game managers.
Chaka
Footballguy
I said I would bow out and I would like to but you make the most compelling point so far. I am not convinced about the bolded or the conclusion you draw from it. I am certainly not going to go over the entire list of QBs who have played in the modern era but one that immediately jumps out to me is Rich Gannon. Doesn't that pretty accurately describe his entire career before he got to Oakland? And he got 11 years before he landed in the right spot. If we need a more recent example what was Cam Newton before coming to the NFL? Is he really that much more nuanced in his reads/check downs etc. at this point in his career? He isn't exactly a high percentage passer, nor has he ever been. He's 28, should the Panthers ditch him?
The examples don't really matter, but the nature of coaches in general is a little more interesting to me. Are we to believe that guys like Sean Payton, Andy Reid, McCarthy etc. don't think they could coax better performances from...any QB? I seriously doubt many coaches are on the "Kaepernick can't play bandwagon" and would love a shot at seeing what they could get out of him.
ETA: If you want to continue the discussion we should take this to the Kaepernick thread in the FFA. Seems more appropriate.
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Jayrod
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Huh. Several people have thought that. I always just knew it was Anna. Don't generally dabble in that stuff to post it. Don't agree morally. But, I think we both don't.
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
Surprised at how good Romo was in the booth. Good may be the wrong word but it was enjoyable seeing how excited he was getting calling out his pre snap reads
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I've essentially watched every snap from every game and it was the ugliest #### I've ever seen.
Romo in the booth was the lone bright spot.
