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Week 12 Buy Low/ Sell High (Week 14-16) PLAYOFF targets (2 Viewers)

jdoggydogg said:
See, I think that trading is a fascinating science. And I think there are subtle, psychological factors at play way beyond the actual offer. Yes, there are guys that offer ridiculous trades. But the mere fact they clicked that button to begin with tells me they are interested. 
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I agree. When I first started, I once got insulted by an offer. Then, after talking with the owner, I realized his reasoning and his valuation process, and while I didn't agree with it, I began to think about trading and that I shouldn't get my dander up. Plus, regarding your first post, my main league is sort of a league that doesn't move guys, so any trade offer with the opportunity to counter is always appreciated by me. I like offers and counters and wheeling and dealing, and I'm in sort of a stagnant league. I love doing this, so any consideration or help in making my team better is always appreciated. 

I don't think anyone is trying to take advantage of my knowledge, really. I just know that people and the way they negotiate is different. I'm also unafraid to not to do the deal if it's not beneficial, generally and hopefully to both. 

 
jdoggydogg said:
Hard to buy low on Cohen immediately after his huge game. I like the talent, but I'd wait for the inevitable 3 point game in a week or two. I like Aaron Jones, and already made an offer a couple of weeks ago that was rejected. Jamal Williams just not that good. I think Mariota to Corey Davis spells good things underneath for the Tenn running game. I was never high on Derrick Henry. But his value so low now, it does feel like a great buy low opportunity.
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In my situation it's a short bench and all are available on the free agency wire so they all are a "Buy Low"  I'm just curious who offers the best season outlook or someone I can even use as trade bait in the future.

Cohen was dropped because the bye in a short bench.  Freeman was just dropped,  Henry and Jones have been on the wire for awhile.

I think I rank them:

Cohen - Jones - Freeman - Henry

 
rockaction said:
I agree. When I first started, I once got insulted by an offer. Then, after talking with the owner, I realized his reasoning and his valuation process, and while I didn't agree with it, I began to think about trading and that I shouldn't get my dander up. Plus, regarding your first post, my main league is sort of a league that doesn't move guys, so any trade offer with the opportunity to counter is always appreciated by me. I like offers and counters and wheeling and dealing, and I'm in sort of a stagnant league. I love doing this, so any consideration or help in making my team better is always appreciated. 

I don't think anyone is trying to take advantage of my knowledge, really. I just know that people and the way they negotiate is different. I'm also unafraid to not to do the deal if it's not beneficial, generally and hopefully to both. 
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Agree. There's a counter button for a reason.  Trading is about negotiations.  I don't walk into to the car dealership and pay the sticker price. I get the "lets cut to the point part to bridge the gap" however if I can pay slightly less than I want to for an upgrade, I'm going to try. 

A reject tells me we aren't close, or he doesn't want to trade that player or trade in general.  If I get a counter I can generally gauge if we are close or if there's something to work with.  Again each league mate is different.  In 18 years in my on main league you can easily get a feel for who likes 2 for 1's - who doesn't, and all the other facets of the game.

 
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Gottabesweet said:
some that will only trade if it's them countering.  They need to feel like they are the one "winning" the deal by making the offer.
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This makes no sense. The best trades help both teams. If you're in a good league, rarely do you see a lopsided trade where one owner "wins."

 
rockaction said:
I don't think anyone is trying to take advantage of my knowledge, really. I just know that people and the way they negotiate is different. I'm also unafraid to not to do the deal if it's not beneficial, generally and hopefully to both. 
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See, here's the deal: lots of owners read buy low articles online. So they're coming to you knowing your player has value. If he offers me, for example, his Bilal Powell for my Jordan Howard, he's not trying to rip me off - he thinks I'm panicking. So I simply counter offer with an explanation that Howard is still the lead back on a potentially explosive offense.

 
jdoggydogg said:
This makes no sense. The best trades help both teams. If you're in a good league, rarely do you see a lopsided trade where one owner "wins."
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 I mean' that the other owner feels like he "wins" the trade because he's the one that offered it.  Some feel like you are getting one over on them in my work league, so they feel if they counter and then I accept it then they "win" the deal even though it could be a 55/45% trade or even.

I've had a few different owners that seem to only ever make moves if they are the one making the offer and they feel like the ball is in their court more.

 
Gottabesweet said:
In my situation it's a short bench and all are available on the free agency wire so they all are a "Buy Low"  I'm just curious who offers the best season outlook or someone I can even use as trade bait in the future.

Cohen was dropped because the bye in a short bench.  Freeman was just dropped,  Henry and Jones have been on the wire for awhile.

I think I rank them:

Cohen - Jones - Freeman - Henry
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I'd go Jones, Freeman, Cohen, Henry. I really like Jones and you should pick him up before he destroys the Lions. 

 
jdoggydogg said:
See, here's the deal: lots of owners read buy low articles online. So they're coming to you knowing your player has value. If he offers me, for example, his Bilal Powell for my Jordan Howard, he's not trying to rip me off - he thinks I'm panicking. So I simply counter offer with an explanation that Howard is still the lead back on a potentially explosive offense.
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You'd be surprised that a lot don't, it's a week to week league, some people get so pissed after a loss they do irrational things on Tuesday mornings. "I'm done with this guy" mentality, let me get someone else.  Figuring out if the buy low players will rebound is for us to decide vs taking the 0.50 cents on the $

 
Gottabesweet said:
I've had a few different owners that seem to only ever make moves if they are the one making the offer and they feel like the ball is in their court more.
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I think people need disassociate themselves from the ego and see this as a pure business negotiation. 

 
JohnnyU said:
Personally I wouldn't counter such an offer.  I come from the school that your first offer should be a good one....every time.
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how about the offer actually helps the owner it is being offered... too many times ill get an offer that doesnt make sense for my roster... i always try to target teams that have obvious weaknesses and provide offers that help me and help them.

 
jdoggydogg said:
See, I think that trading is a fascinating science. And I think there are subtle, psychological factors at play way beyond the actual offer. Yes, there are guys that offer ridiculous trades. But the mere fact they clicked that button to begin with tells me they are interested. 
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By no counter they learn some ground rules when trading with me.  Anyone making the first offer needs to be serious, because I may or may not be interested in trading the player(s) they are trying to trade for.  If a great offer is made and I don't counter, I'll simply say player x is not for trade at this time.  Then they should realize they must blow me away if they want player x and I still may not be interested.

 
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iamkoza said:
how about the offer actually helps the owner it is being offered... too many times ill get an offer that doesnt make sense for my roster... i always try to target teams that have obvious weaknesses and provide offers that help me and help them.
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I always make sure it fits. I don't get many offers that don't make any sense. I think people in our stagnant league are good at that, at least. 

JohnnyU said:
By no counter they learn some ground rules when trading with me.  Anyone making the first offer needs to be serious, because I may or may not be interested in trading the player(s) they are trying to trade for.  If a great offer is made and I don't counter, I'll simply say player x is not for trade at this time.  Then they should realize they must blow me away if they want player x and I still may not be interested.
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I like your posts, JohnnyU, but sarcastically, God, that sounds fun. 

 
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rockaction said:
I always make sure it fits. I don't get many offers that don't make any sense. I think people in our stagnant league are good at that, at least. 

I like your posts, JohnnyU, but sarcastically, God, that sounds fun. 
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I hear you, but the last thing i want is to be inundated with crappy offers all the time.  I want them to know what kind of trader I am and it works well for me most of the time.  However, there are a few owners that don't care, or just don't remember, because they never stop with the crappy offers.  I just reject and go about my day.  Even with those owners I make the occasional trade when they are serious.

 
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JohnnyU said:
I hear you, but the last thing i want is to be inundated with crappy offers all the time.  I want them to know what kind of trader I am and it works well for me most of the time.  However, there are a few owners that don't care, or just don't remember, because they never stop with the crappy offers.  I just reject and go about my day.
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I can see that. If you're constantly getting bad offers from people who should know better then that makes sense.  

 
Gottabesweet said:
Anyone using Theilen as a sell high? Someone offered AB in a package for Theilen, so his value is pretty high.  Are we confident he remains in the top 8? FBG's has him WR5 ROS
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Sold Thielen and John Brown for Nuk in a dynasty league a couple of days ago. Was shocked when I got that offer. My 3 starting WRs in that league are now AB/MT/Nuk.  :yes:

 
Gottabesweet said:
thoughts on any of the following as buy low candidates: PPR

Cohen - passed his bye, will Nagy try to scheme up to get him the ball more in a passing league or will they continue to feed Howard?

Aaron Jones - always a three headed monster or will talent finally take over on a good? team

Royce Freeman - 10 carries of 10+ yards on the season, Joseph said he'll get more work. only 29 snaps, last week.  Will Lindsay go away? Can this be Gordon/Ekeler lite?

D. Henry - offensive line healthy, or is Lewis too much of a PPR hinder where Henry leaves the field on 3rd downs.
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I love Aaron Jones and I do think the coaching staff will finally see the light sooner than later and get him more touches moving forward and I'd say by midseason if not sooner he will be the RB getting the majority of touches in GB. What is his value right now in dynasty? Has anyone seen any trades involving him?

 
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JohnnyU said:
I want them to know what kind of trader I am 
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Whenever I reject a trade, I always say why. For example, in our salary cap dynasty league, someone offered my son Julio Jones and LeSean McCoy for AJ Green and Sony Michel. I rejected the trade and said, "AJ is in the same conversation with Julio as the best WRs. McCoy not the the same universe as Michel for dynasty given his age. Michel almost as good as Saquon Barkley in talent."

 
jdoggydogg said:
Whenever I reject a trade, I always say why. For example, in our salary cap dynasty league, someone offered my son Julio Jones and LeSean McCoy for AJ Green and Sony Michel. I rejected the trade and said, "AJ is in the same conversation with Julio as the best WRs. McCoy not the the same universe as Michel for dynasty given his age. Michel almost as good as Saquon Barkley in talent."
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I would agree with everything except about A J Green and having to respond to every reject I make, but I will if it was a very good offer.  I think he will downward spiral quicker than Julio Jones and is no longer a top 10 WR.

 
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I have a team built to make a run (12 team, keep 5 players, 0.5 ppr) and I have been considering buying low on Fournette.  But after hanging out in the Fournette thread for a while, I feel like that's a crazy idea.  It's super depressing over there.  

Does everyone view him as damaged goods with low probability of playing (and playing well) the second half of the season? 

 
Fever in the Funkhouse said:
I have a team built to make a run (12 team, keep 5 players, 0.5 ppr) and I have been considering buying low on Fournette.  But after hanging out in the Fournette thread for a while, I feel like that's a crazy idea.  It's super depressing over there.  

Does everyone view him as damaged goods with low probability of playing (and playing well) the second half of the season? 
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I’ve made it known on his thread I believe but I wouldn’t touch him. I see him as the worst possible case - he isn’t IR designated so you can comfortably bench him and start someone else but at the same time he isn’t 100% and you don’t know if he’ll finish a game he starts. I wouldn’t want to hold my breath every weekend and with him it looks like a lingering issue not one you can expect to go away in a week or two. Avoid imo. 

 
Fever in the Funkhouse said:
I have a team built to make a run (12 team, keep 5 players, 0.5 ppr) and I have been considering buying low on Fournette.  But after hanging out in the Fournette thread for a while, I feel like that's a crazy idea.  It's super depressing over there.  

Does everyone view him as damaged goods with low probability of playing (and playing well) the second half of the season? 
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I am biased here. I've made a habit of avoiding oft-injured players, and it rarely hurts me. Yes, I have Gronk on my team. But mostly, I have a hard time acquiring players that seem to get hurt constantly. 

 
Mr. Peterson said:
Bloom has Golden Tate as a sell high.  I’m trying to think of someone to target for him.  Any RB suggestions? 
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Every league’s different but In my league trading one for one an RB with a receiver is hard to pull of you’re offering the receiver so I’d look at buy low RB possibilities.

Id shoot for Aaron Jones with a guy like Tate.  What’s Bloom’s logic on that?  Just curious as a Golladay owner.

 
Mr. Peterson said:
Bloom has Golden Tate as a sell high.  I’m trying to think of someone to target for him.  Any RB suggestions? 
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I see Tate as a hold because you're not going to be able to sell high.

 
Duke Johnson has 11 some points .5 ppr in Mayfields first start and that’s gone under the radar thanks to Chubb mania.  

An RB who can put up 10 points during a bye week is alright in my book.

 
Elevencents said:
I’ve made it known on his thread I believe but I wouldn’t touch him. I see him as the worst possible case - he isn’t IR designated so you can comfortably bench him and start someone else but at the same time he isn’t 100% and you don’t know if he’ll finish a game he starts. I wouldn’t want to hold my breath every weekend and with him it looks like a lingering issue not one you can expect to go away in a week or two. Avoid imo. 
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I had Fournette but just traded him for Diggs straight up. After losing McKinnon and Fournette getting hurt, I am 0-4 and needed to make a move. I sold him as a lottery ticket (which he is) but I just couldn't afford holding on to him knowing he is out at least another two weeks. If he's out through week 9, that's about 3/4 of the fantasy season. The other owner wins because he had the room to stash him and may pay dividends late. 

 
I am also considering selling Hyde. I am concerned that Cleveland swill turn into an RBBC and Chubb taking over late in the season to see what they got in him. Just not sure what I can expect to get in return for him.

 
3nOut said:
I am also considering selling Hyde. I am concerned that Cleveland swill turn into an RBBC and Chubb taking over late in the season to see what they got in him. Just not sure what I can expect to get in return for him.
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He doesn't get a lot of love, so I guess you've got to hold him and hope for the best with the RBBC. 

I roster him in my main league, too, was shopping him when he was getting massive volume and nice standard scoring, but wasn't get much in the way of return. 

 
rockaction said:
He doesn't get a lot of love, so I guess you've got to hold him and hope for the best with the RBBC. 

I roster him in my main league, too, was shopping him when he was getting massive volume and nice standard scoring, but wasn't get much in the way of return. 
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Hyde is undervalued every year, it seems.

 
jdoggydogg said:
Whenever I reject a trade, I always say why. For example, in our salary cap dynasty league, someone offered my son Julio Jones and LeSean McCoy for AJ Green and Sony Michel. I rejected the trade and said, "AJ is in the same conversation with Julio as the best WRs. McCoy not the the same universe as Michel for dynasty given his age. Michel almost as good as Saquon Barkley in talent."
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But what did your son say?

 
Mixon is a guy I want on my team, yes.

I don't think you're buying low at this point.  Maybe while he was out.  But, I don't think the value is there in terms of trying to buy low.  

Some interesting opportunities as I've gone through other threads:

Collins:  Immensely more talented than Allen.  If he figures out how to hold onto the ball, they'll eventually give him more work. 

Drake:  I actually don't think he lives up to his 4th round billing.  I think he's a bad flex play at best.  But, I've been wrong.  And I don't think he'll cost you much at this point.

Ajayi--they typically hold his value down with this obnoxious RBBC.  Now Sproles and Clement are out.  I suspect he does well, and the coaching staff gives him more touches as the year progresses.  

Derrick Henry:  Similar to Drake--I don't think he'll get anywhere close to ADP.  He doesn't catch the football.  They aren't going to give him 20+ carries a game unless Lewis goes down.  That said, I'd almost give him to you in the leagues that I've got him in.  Before the season, I thought he'd run for 1000 and 8.  If Lewis were to get hurt or he finds himself geetting more goal line looks and the offense improves--he could be an ok flex plug in.  The key for me is, he should be incredibly cheap.  

Dalvin Cook--I can't imagine owners in Keeper/Dynasty are ready to cut bait.  But maybe. He was injured last year.  Injured this year.  Hasn't been a world beater in the games he has played.  Redraft leagues, seems like an obvious buy low

Fournette--Everyone seems down on him after the hamstring issue.  If you can handle the down weeks, go get him.  In dynasty/redraft, I think owners are also frustrated.  

 
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Phenomena said:
We knew this going into the season.  Doyle has the starting job on lockdown because he can do more and knows the offense.

Ebron was expected to come in and play 60%~ of the snaps but be targeted a lot when he's in the game. This is exactly how it's played out.

He's exactly what people wanted in a TE2 - solid floor but limited upside in a potentially good offense.  I'm not trading him.
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Ebron was a buy low. Unexciting name, likely competition, inconsistent in the past, and probably gotten cheap by the owner. 

 
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Wrigley said:
Just told another owner that Mixon would cost his AB or M Thomas(of course he’s WR deep)
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Interesting; was thinking of offering a trade where key players would be Thomas (me giving) & Mixon (me receiving).  Other players involved, but thought it was too much.  Maybe I was wrong.

 
I'm trying to dump Jordan Howard....offered howard for mixon he countered diggs and howard for mixon d. thomas I countered Howard and Will Fuller for Mixon. I've seen enough of Howard and the bears offense this year and I want no parts of him.

 
thekidd2009 said:
I'm trying to dump Jordan Howard....offered howard for mixon he countered diggs and howard for mixon d. thomas I countered Howard and Will Fuller for Mixon. I've seen enough of Howard and the bears offense this year and I want no parts of him.
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Is it vastly different from the last two years? I don’t really follow the bears and this is my first time owning Howard. But he did finish 8th and 15th last two years in PPR and he is top ten in carries so I am holding for now. 

 
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For those that still believe in Derrick Henry this is a great time to get him. I cut him on Wednesday for Hines and not a bit unhappy about it. 

 
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