Week 2 Game Thread - Philly at Dallas (1 Viewer)

[Bri]

Did anyone pay attention to the trivia about DeSean going over 100 (it was Tirico, right after the timeout after Demps return). Something about first rookie to go over 100 yards receiving in his first two games....Missed it - TIA.

Bueller...Bueller...

2nd rookie WR to do that. The other was an Eagle WR and it was a long time ago. Sorry don't recall the name

Looney. Don Looney?

I think you're right

 

[cowboysin07]

OK everyone let's look at it the right way.1) Best offense in the league and that can't be debated.2) Our ALL-PRO SHUTDOWN corner is limited to nickel/dime packages.I just don't think anyone in the division has a chance. We get pacman in game shape put newman on an island and this is a much better D. Not too mention quite a few points were given tonight on turnovers. You just watched the super bowl champs tonight

People like you making comments like this is why the average NFL fan hates Dallas and Dallas fans. Show some humility.

Sorry didn't think honesty would be taken so harshly. What is wrong with pointing out the obvious. You do realize that fan is short for fanatic right?

 

[T Bell]

OK everyone let's look at it the right way.1) Best offense in the league and that can't be debated.2) Our ALL-PRO SHUTDOWN corner is limited to nickel/dime packages.I just don't think anyone in the division has a chance. We get pacman in game shape put newman on an island and this is a much better D. Not too mention quite a few points were given tonight on turnovers. You just watched the super bowl champs tonight

You live in NYC so you're familiar with 18-1.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Thanks, guys. Just got posted on Rotoworld:

Jackson goes over 100 again Wide receiver DeSean Jackson caught six passes for 110 yards in Monday's loss to the Cowboys. The rookie became only the second player in NFL history to record over 100 receiving yards in his first two games. Don Looney (1940) of the Eagles was the other player.

Amazing no one else has ever done it.

 

[cowboysin07]

OK everyone let's look at it the right way.1) Best offense in the league and that can't be debated.

that's all we do around here is debate.I don't think much of their 2nd and 3rd WR options. Certainly Cincy and Arizona have better 2nd WRs.You'll say Witten is better than their TE, which is true and....see we can debate

I agree with you on Arizona but the HUGE difference is the offensive line. Cincy= none and I don't think I could name one player on the line for Arizona. Now if you would say Indy with Saturday/Clark then I think we have a debate.

 

[bentley]

OK everyone let's look at it the right way.1) Best offense in the league and that can't be debated.

that's all we do around here is debate.I don't think much of their 2nd and 3rd WR options. Certainly Cincy and Arizona have better 2nd WRs.You'll say Witten is better than their TE, which is true and....see we can debate

I'll agree with this to a point, but let's discuss it by top 3 receiving options, since a QB doesn't really care what position a guy plays. I say that Owens/Witten/Crayton is better than Bolden/Fitz/My mom (or whoever #3 is). And, we're off and debating again.............

 

[timschochet]

In all though, McNabb played very strong especially moving around in the pocket.

Until the last couple drives when it really counted.Anyone following the game can see why Eagles fans get frustrated with him, can you blame us?

Yes, if you get frustrated with him, then I blame you. He's the best QB you guys have ever had. He led you to the NFC championship almost singlehandledly three times, and to the SB. He faced a good defense tonight and they played well when it counted.You Philly fans have never given this guy the respect he deserves. He's been one of the best players of this decade. I shouldn't be surprised, because you guys booed Mike Schmidt, as well. I was really hoping McNabb would have left a few years ago and led another team, maybe Minnesota to a SB. But he has chosesn to stay, and you guys will never know how lucky you are. There are at least a dozen teams in this league that would be begging to have this guy.

Ok, then you don't get it. Don't get upset, most people don't.

What am I missing?

Stealing a recent post from the Eagles thread, but probably won't get you all the way there...

winners win...mcnabb doesnt. and don't give me some BS about his winning % or low INT%. true winners step up when it matters most. padding your stats against the lowlifes of the NFL doesnt make you a winner. McNabb just doesnt have "it". He will keep your hopes up just long enough to crush them at the end.

Seems to me that throughout most of the 1980's and early 90's I heard the same BS about another QB- he couldn't get it done in the Superbowl, when it really counted. Sure, he won a lot of big games, but against substandard teams. They said he didn't trust his receivers. They said he didn't have "it", whatever Montana or Steve Young or Troy Aikman had. As an older veteran, they said he was hanging on, over the hill. Then he got a running back, a WR, a better defense, and won two SB's at the end of his career.

 

[cowboysin07]

OK everyone let's look at it the right way.1) Best offense in the league and that can't be debated.2) Our ALL-PRO SHUTDOWN corner is limited to nickel/dime packages.I just don't think anyone in the division has a chance. We get pacman in game shape put newman on an island and this is a much better D. Not too mention quite a few points were given tonight on turnovers. You just watched the super bowl champs tonight

You live in NYC so you're familiar with 18-1.

Only every day for the past 7 months. Doesn't stop me wearing the Barber Jersey every weekend

 

[Bri]

OK everyone let's look at it the right way.1) Best offense in the league and that can't be debated.2) Our ALL-PRO SHUTDOWN corner is limited to nickel/dime packages.I just don't think anyone in the division has a chance. We get pacman in game shape put newman on an island and this is a much better D. Not too mention quite a few points were given tonight on turnovers. You just watched the super bowl champs tonight

People like you making comments like this is why the average NFL fan hates Dallas and Dallas fans. Show some humility.

his team just won an exciting game and it's late at night.

 

[Lehigh98]

In all though, McNabb played very strong especially moving around in the pocket.

Until the last couple drives when it really counted.Anyone following the game can see why Eagles fans get frustrated with him, can you blame us?

Yes, if you get frustrated with him, then I blame you. He's the best QB you guys have ever had. He led you to the NFC championship almost singlehandledly three times, and to the SB. He faced a good defense tonight and they played well when it counted.You Philly fans have never given this guy the respect he deserves. He's been one of the best players of this decade. I shouldn't be surprised, because you guys booed Mike Schmidt, as well. I was really hoping McNabb would have left a few years ago and led another team, maybe Minnesota to a SB. But he has chosesn to stay, and you guys will never know how lucky you are. There are at least a dozen teams in this league that would be begging to have this guy.

Ok, then you don't get it. Don't get upset, most people don't.

What am I missing?

Stealing a recent post from the Eagles thread, but probably won't get you all the way there...

winners win...mcnabb doesnt. and don't give me some BS about his winning % or low INT%. true winners step up when it matters most. padding your stats against the lowlifes of the NFL doesnt make you a winner. McNabb just doesnt have "it". He will keep your hopes up just long enough to crush them at the end.

Seems to me that throughout most of the 1980's and early 90's I heard the same BS about another QB- he couldn't get it done in the Superbowl, when it really counted. Sure, he won a lot of big games, but against substandard teams. They said he didn't trust his receivers. They said he didn't have "it", whatever Montana or Steve Young or Troy Aikman had. As an older veteran, they said he was hanging on, over the hill. Then he got a running back, a WR, a better defense, and won two SB's at the end of his career.

Nice story... so?

 

[timschochet]

I do think the Cowboys are the best team in football. But it's not by that big a margin. I think Philly, the Giants, Green Bay, Indy, San Diego, New England, and Pittsburgh are all very good too- the usual suspects. Anyone of them would provide a challenge for Dallas, in the playoffs or the SB.

I'll say one thing- if you're in the NFC North, South, or West and you want to go to the playoffs, you had better win your division, because you're not going to be a wildcard...

 

[timschochet]

In all though, McNabb played very strong especially moving around in the pocket.

Until the last couple drives when it really counted.Anyone following the game can see why Eagles fans get frustrated with him, can you blame us?

Yes, if you get frustrated with him, then I blame you. He's the best QB you guys have ever had. He led you to the NFC championship almost singlehandledly three times, and to the SB. He faced a good defense tonight and they played well when it counted.You Philly fans have never given this guy the respect he deserves. He's been one of the best players of this decade. I shouldn't be surprised, because you guys booed Mike Schmidt, as well. I was really hoping McNabb would have left a few years ago and led another team, maybe Minnesota to a SB. But he has chosesn to stay, and you guys will never know how lucky you are. There are at least a dozen teams in this league that would be begging to have this guy.

Ok, then you don't get it. Don't get upset, most people don't.

What am I missing?

Stealing a recent post from the Eagles thread, but probably won't get you all the way there...

winners win...mcnabb doesnt. and don't give me some BS about his winning % or low INT%. true winners step up when it matters most. padding your stats against the lowlifes of the NFL doesnt make you a winner. McNabb just doesnt have "it". He will keep your hopes up just long enough to crush them at the end.

Seems to me that throughout most of the 1980's and early 90's I heard the same BS about another QB- he couldn't get it done in the Superbowl, when it really counted. Sure, he won a lot of big games, but against substandard teams. They said he didn't trust his receivers. They said he didn't have "it", whatever Montana or Steve Young or Troy Aikman had. As an older veteran, they said he was hanging on, over the hill. Then he got a running back, a WR, a better defense, and won two SB's at the end of his career.

Nice story... so?

So, my point is, you have to have a combination of things go right to be a SB champion. McNabb has never had a good WR outside of Owens- how many guys dropped balls on him tonight?

 

[T Bell]

OK everyone let's look at it the right way.1) Best offense in the league and that can't be debated.2) Our ALL-PRO SHUTDOWN corner is limited to nickel/dime packages.I just don't think anyone in the division has a chance. We get pacman in game shape put newman on an island and this is a much better D. Not too mention quite a few points were given tonight on turnovers. You just watched the super bowl champs tonight

You live in NYC so you're familiar with 18-1.

Only every day for the past 7 months. Doesn't stop me wearing the Barber Jersey every weekend

Nor should it, though it might give you some pause about crowning a champion in September.

 

[Lehigh98]

In all though, McNabb played very strong especially moving around in the pocket.

Until the last couple drives when it really counted.Anyone following the game can see why Eagles fans get frustrated with him, can you blame us?

Yes, if you get frustrated with him, then I blame you. He's the best QB you guys have ever had. He led you to the NFC championship almost singlehandledly three times, and to the SB. He faced a good defense tonight and they played well when it counted.You Philly fans have never given this guy the respect he deserves. He's been one of the best players of this decade. I shouldn't be surprised, because you guys booed Mike Schmidt, as well. I was really hoping McNabb would have left a few years ago and led another team, maybe Minnesota to a SB. But he has chosesn to stay, and you guys will never know how lucky you are. There are at least a dozen teams in this league that would be begging to have this guy.

Ok, then you don't get it. Don't get upset, most people don't.

What am I missing?

Stealing a recent post from the Eagles thread, but probably won't get you all the way there...

winners win...mcnabb doesnt. and don't give me some BS about his winning % or low INT%. true winners step up when it matters most. padding your stats against the lowlifes of the NFL doesnt make you a winner. McNabb just doesnt have "it". He will keep your hopes up just long enough to crush them at the end.

Seems to me that throughout most of the 1980's and early 90's I heard the same BS about another QB- he couldn't get it done in the Superbowl, when it really counted. Sure, he won a lot of big games, but against substandard teams. They said he didn't trust his receivers. They said he didn't have "it", whatever Montana or Steve Young or Troy Aikman had. As an older veteran, they said he was hanging on, over the hill. Then he got a running back, a WR, a better defense, and won two SB's at the end of his career.

Nice story... so?

So, my point is, you have to have a combination of things go right to be a SB champion. McNabb has never had a good WR outside of Owens- how many guys dropped balls on him tonight?

And how did that Superbowl run end up when he had Owens? Point, set, match, goodnight.

 

[Routilla]

Nor should it, though it might give you some pause about crowning a champion in September.

Talk to NE fans from last year. Don't let it bother you, it's just 1 game. Realistically, DAL had to win tonight if they are seriously going to be considered for the SB. PHI is dynamite and so are the NYG. The NFC East is going to be as competitive as ever dating back to the 80s, and I'm not leaving the Redskins out of this by any means. DAL @ GB next week is going to be just as important as tonight's game for DAL. GB has to win if they are to be considered as a serious SB threat. A DAL road win and I'm a true believer in the Cowboys for this season. Helluva game tonight, it's a shame we have to wait until week 17 to see the rematch in Philly.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Nor should it, though it might give you some pause about crowning a champion in September.

Talk to NE fans from last year. Don't let it bother you, it's just 1 game. Realistically, DAL had to win tonight if they are seriously going to be considered for the SB. PHI is dynamite and so are the NYG. The NFC East is going to be as competitive as ever dating back to the 80s, and I'm not leaving the Redskins out of this by any means. DAL @ GB next week is going to be just as important as tonight's game for DAL. GB has to win if they are to be considered as a serious SB threat. A DAL road win and I'm a true believer in the Cowboys for this season. Helluva game tonight, it's a shame we have to wait until week 17 to see the rematch in Philly.

Ya, the Dallas GB game will be tough. Dallas traveling on a short week against a quality opponent is tough. As far as the week 17 rematch, I'm not holding my breath. More often than not, the week 17 doesn't mean as much. I could see one of these teams not needing the game which would completely effect the quality of the game.It's a long season, Cowboy fans have every right to celebrate tonight's victory but claiming SB or even a division championship isn't realistic. As fun as the game was to watch, Dallas needs to clean up a lot of garbage if they want to actually win the SB.

 

[T Bell]

So, my point is, you have to have a combination of things go right to be a SB champion. McNabb has never had a good WR outside of Owens- how many guys dropped balls on him tonight?

And how did that Superbowl run end up when he had Owens? Point, set, match, goodnight.

It appears to have ended up with you whining and, I guess, longing for the salad days with Bobby Hoying as your QB.

 

[switz]

barber looks bad. They need to get Felix the ball more.

Shocking to hear this from you.

I wasn't the first to say it, and at the time I posted it, Barber was 5 carries for 1 yard to Jones 1 carry for 6 yards (and a foot from breaking a long run) plus over 100 return yards and a TD.

Barber has been hit in the backfield every single play almost. Jones had a hole a 65 yr old 300 lb man could have walked through. Barber only looks bad if you do nothing but read the stat line.

I was watching the game and again want the only one who commented on it. The fact you singled me out, and your "excuses" takes away any credibility you had.

 

[renesauz]

In all though, McNabb played very strong especially moving around in the pocket.

Until the last couple drives when it really counted.Anyone following the game can see why Eagles fans get frustrated with him, can you blame us?

Yes, if you get frustrated with him, then I blame you. He's the best QB you guys have ever had. He led you to the NFC championship almost singlehandledly three times, and to the SB. He faced a good defense tonight and they played well when it counted.You Philly fans have never given this guy the respect he deserves. He's been one of the best players of this decade. I shouldn't be surprised, because you guys booed Mike Schmidt, as well. I was really hoping McNabb would have left a few years ago and led another team, maybe Minnesota to a SB. But he has chosesn to stay, and you guys will never know how lucky you are. There are at least a dozen teams in this league that would be begging to have this guy.

Ok, then you don't get it. Don't get upset, most people don't.

What am I missing?

Stealing a recent post from the Eagles thread, but probably won't get you all the way there...

winners win...mcnabb doesnt. and don't give me some BS about his winning % or low INT%. true winners step up when it matters most. padding your stats against the lowlifes of the NFL doesnt make you a winner. McNabb just doesnt have "it". He will keep your hopes up just long enough to crush them at the end.

Seems to me that throughout most of the 1980's and early 90's I heard the same BS about another QB- he couldn't get it done in the Superbowl, when it really counted. Sure, he won a lot of big games, but against substandard teams. They said he didn't trust his receivers. They said he didn't have "it", whatever Montana or Steve Young or Troy Aikman had. As an older veteran, they said he was hanging on, over the hill. Then he got a running back, a WR, a better defense, and won two SB's at the end of his career.

Nice story... so?

So...Eagles fans ripping on their own pro-bowl caliber QB is a big reason why so many other fans hate Eagles fans.Seriously...how about the drop DeSean had in the first half...that stalled a drive in the RZ...birds settle for 3? How about his drop in the second half...that forced a punt? How about Greg Lewis' drop that ALSO forced a punt? Am I happy that McNabb took a sack on the last drive...heck no! But I also realize he avoided 3-4 sacks in that game that all but one or two other QBs in the league would have taken. 1 minute to go, fighting like hell to make a play, after a TERRIFIC performance on the road...and you want to throw him under the bus for a sack?Dude...you don't deserve to call yourself a fan. That kind of "fan support" is disgusting. No wonder people hate Philly fans.

 

[scratcher]

I really don't understand Eagles fans that think we can do better than McNabb. I think he is top 3 in the NFL. He looked AMAZING last night. Sure, he made a couple mistakes, but I think I can forgive him when he has 42 passing plays called. The guy is a stud, and probably the best we'll see behind center in midnight green for a long while. If as an Eagles fan, you can't enjoy the time he gives us, then its a shame because you're missing out. It sucks to lose and I left the game yesterday disappointed but still feeling OK because I just got to see a great game.

 

[Lehigh98]

So, my point is, you have to have a combination of things go right to be a SB champion. McNabb has never had a good WR outside of Owens- how many guys dropped balls on him tonight?

And how did that Superbowl run end up when he had Owens? Point, set, match, goodnight.

It appears to have ended up with you whining and, I guess, longing for the salad days with Bobby Hoying as your QB.

Nobody here is whining, my original statement was only that people could see why we get frustrated with him.Salad days? You must have really like Bobby Hoying. NTTAWWT.

 

[Chunky Soup]

OK everyone let's look at it the right way.

1) Best offense in the league and that can't be debated.

2) Our ALL-PRO SHUTDOWN corner is limited to nickel/dime packages.

I just don't think anyone in the division has a chance. We get pacman in game shape put newman on an island and this is a much better D. Not too mention quite a few points were given tonight on turnovers.

You just watched the super bowl champs tonight

You're clearly good at predicting, cowboysin07.

 

[scratcher]

OK everyone let's look at it the right way.

1) Best offense in the league and that can't be debated.

2) Our ALL-PRO SHUTDOWN corner is limited to nickel/dime packages.

I just don't think anyone in the division has a chance. We get pacman in game shape put newman on an island and this is a much better D. Not too mention quite a few points were given tonight on turnovers.

You just watched the super bowl champs tonight

You're clearly good at predicting, cowboysin07.

 

[Mustang Man]

I will be surprised if the Eagles don't win this one, if they don't it will be close. I think they just need to keep the pressure on Romo and be all over Witten. When Tony Romo can find Jason Witten under pressure the Cowboys keep the chains moving. A big defensive/special teams play could also be the key to this game.

Let's remember last year when the Eagles won 10-6 well 17-6 really (Westbrooke sliding at the 1) Romo struggles in big part to his injured throwing hand. He could not throw the ball to an area at all. Barring another injury to him during the game Dallas wins. Better hop the Eagle blitz does not get picked up cause that is the Eagles only shot. This aint the Rams Philly

You can't be serious. Romo's injured hand last year has nothing to do with tonight's game.First, this should be a dandy of a ball game.

Second, while Cole has struggled against Adams, like another poster mentioned, the Eagles front seven is nothing like the Browns. Romo will be escaping from the pocket tonight. He will not have seemingly "all the time in the world" to get rid of the ball like week 1.

The upside to that is that Romo is an excellent out-of-pocket passer. The downside is that the Eagles have 4 pro bowl defensive backs that will be on the field basically the whole game. To defer back to the Cowboys, what they need to have happen tonight is for Crayton/Owens to not drop any passes. They also need Barber to sustain his strength and play the entire game out. The holes won't be very big tonight for the 'Boys RBs to run through.

That last line also reminds me of the three young LBs from Philly. If they can't stop the run if it reaches the second level, the Eagles could be in for a long night if Barber and/or Jones reaches the secondary.

Blow for blow, punch for punch... this will be an interesting game. One that all of America will probably be watching. I look for tonight's game to be a hit on the Nielsen (sp?) ratings.

But to state that this game depends on twhether or not Romo gets injured is asinine. Maybe I miss understood you but that is how I interpreted it.

Obviously you have your Jerry Jones goggles on but be honest, you know that this one will be a hell of a heavyweight fight.

Philadelphia at Dallas. I will be in front of the flatscreen tuned in.

Why I brought up the Romo injury from last year that happened during the first half the the Eagles game is because a lot of the Eagles confidence comes from the last time they played Dallas. If they think Romo will be that inaccurate tonight they have something coming for them . All I keep hearing is that Romo has 1 td and 5 ints vs Philly. That has a lot to do with the injury, as well as Philly is a good team but to expect Romo to struggle like he did in that last game is to be asinine. It will be a good game, Dallas should win if Romo does not get an injury to hamper his play tonight. ***This game will look nothing like the defensive battle it was last time around.***

I got my popcorn ready baby.

All I got to say is look at the next to last line in my post before the game started. Philly you gave your best shot but well ya know. Sorry, it is our year. What kind of name you want to give Romo now.

 

[Mustang Man]

Nor should it, though it might give you some pause about crowning a champion in September.

Talk to NE fans from last year. Don't let it bother you, it's just 1 game. Realistically, DAL had to win tonight if they are seriously going to be considered for the SB. PHI is dynamite and so are the NYG. The NFC East is going to be as competitive as ever dating back to the 80s, and I'm not leaving the Redskins out of this by any means. DAL @ GB next week is going to be just as important as tonight's game for DAL. GB has to win if they are to be considered as a serious SB threat. A DAL road win and I'm a true believer in the Cowboys for this season. Helluva game tonight, it's a shame we have to wait until week 17 to see the rematch in Philly.

I really do not fear the Giants as much as the Eagles. The Eagles just match up with the Cowboys very well. The G-Men not as much. Dallas will beat the G-MEN both regular season games and unless Strhan and Osi come back to play this year a hat trick will go down if the G-Men can get there. Big game next week vs the Pack. It will go a long way in seeing if Rodgers is ready and Dallas is tHe top dog in the NFC.GO BOYS, HEY IF YOU DID NOT KNOW ROMO IS FOR REAL

 

[Lehigh98]

So...Eagles fans ripping on their own pro-bowl caliber QB is a big reason why so many other fans hate Eagles fans.Dude...you don't deserve to call yourself a fan. That kind of "fan support" is disgusting. No wonder people hate Philly fans.

Overreact much? Is he your dad?I am a fan (season ticket holder) and always will be a fan... of the EAGLES, no player is above the TEAM.I couldn't care less what other people think of us. Most, like you, don't understand anyway.

Seriously...how about the drop DeSean had in the first half...that stalled a drive in the RZ...birds settle for 3? How about his drop in the second half...that forced a punt? How about Greg Lewis' drop that ALSO forced a punt? Am I happy that McNabb took a sack on the last drive...heck no! But I also realize he avoided 3-4 sacks in that game that all but one or two other QBs in the league would have taken. 1 minute to go, fighting like hell to make a play, after a TERRIFIC performance on the road...and you want to throw him under the bus for a sack?

WR's drop balls sometimes, especially in their second ever game.You're going to try and pin this on DeSean and Greg "how is he still even on the team" Lewis?I'm not THAT upset about the sack, I'm upset with the 2 botched handoffs, one of which likely cost us that game and some decision-making like the two times he chucked it downfield (badly) rather than run for what would have been much better outcomes.I expect more from a "Pro-Bowl caliber" QB and his mistakes had much bigger impacts then a couple dropped passes.

 

[Ghost Rider]

OK everyone let's look at it the right way.1) Best offense in the league and that can't be debated.

Yes, it can. The Broncos offense might be the best in the NFL this year, when it is all said and done. So far, they have scored 80 points in two games against two pretty good defenses.

 

[culdeus]

I'll be there. Last TS MNF game ever.

:hungover:

 

[Mustang Man]

So...Eagles fans ripping on their own pro-bowl caliber QB is a big reason why so many other fans hate Eagles fans.Dude...you don't deserve to call yourself a fan. That kind of "fan support" is disgusting. No wonder people hate Philly fans.

Overreact much? Is he your dad?I am a fan (season ticket holder) and always will be a fan... of the EAGLES, no player is above the TEAM.I couldn't care less what other people think of us. Most, like you, don't understand anyway.

Seriously...how about the drop DeSean had in the first half...that stalled a drive in the RZ...birds settle for 3? How about his drop in the second half...that forced a punt? How about Greg Lewis' drop that ALSO forced a punt? Am I happy that McNabb took a sack on the last drive...heck no! But I also realize he avoided 3-4 sacks in that game that all but one or two other QBs in the league would have taken. 1 minute to go, fighting like hell to make a play, after a TERRIFIC performance on the road...and you want to throw him under the bus for a sack?

WR's drop balls sometimes, especially in their second ever game.You're going to try and pin this on DeSean and Greg "how is he still even on the team" Lewis?I'm not THAT upset about the sack, I'm upset with the 2 botched handoffs, one of which likely cost us that game and some decision-making like the two times he chucked it downfield (badly) rather than run for what would have been much better outcomes.I expect more from a "Pro-Bowl caliber" QB and his mistakes had much bigger impacts then a couple dropped passes.

That is Mcnabb though as good as he is he makes the stupid mistakes, like missing hand offs and is very in accurate in the short passing game. Of coarse Romo made his share of mistakes in this game as well probably more then Mcnabb. I mean that 3 and 4 when he over throws a wide open Barber that he would have ran for about 30-40 yards is just crazy bad. That would have sealed the game. Romo makes mistakes some stupid ones but you know what the Cowboys just keep playing and believe in him and that is the difference in the two teams. Dallas knows Romo is a good qb and knows that taking shots at him for some stupid plays is not going to help the situation. Dallas is better for that and so is Romo. Romo does not have the city of Dallas come down on him if he makes a bad play he knows we got his back as well as all his teammates without question. Mcnabb knows the city of Philly does not have his back and he I am sure is not sure if all his teammates do as well. ROMO KNOWS!!

 

[Bri]

That is Mcnabb though as good as he is he makes the stupid mistakes, like missing hand offs and is very in accurate in the short passing game. Of coarse Romo made his share of mistakes in this game as well probably more then Mcnabb. I mean that 3 and 4 when he over throws a wide open Barber that he would have ran for about 30-40 yards is just crazy bad. That would have sealed the game. Romo makes mistakes some stupid ones but you know what the Cowboys just keep playing and believe in him and that is the difference in the two teams. Dallas knows Romo is a good qb and knows that taking shots at him for some stupid plays is not going to help the situation. Dallas is better for that and so is Romo. Romo does not have the city of Dallas come down on him if he makes a bad play he knows we got his back as well as all his teammates without question. Mcnabb knows the city of Philly does not have his back and he I am sure is not sure if all his teammates do as well. ROMO KNOWS!!

Romo's made his share of mistakes and it sure seemed like Dallas was upset with that hold he messed up a while back.McNabb seemed to make a move like faking giving it to Westbrook then giving it to him. You can't do that unless the RB knows you are and even still...but McNabb seemed to know he goofed when they showed them discussing it on the sideline.I think you guys don't realize how Montana like Brady is with his minimal mistakes. What he and Montana have done in clutch situations is unbelievable. It is sooo not the norm. Around the time of Montana, Simms made plenty of mistakes and so did Mark Rypien but they both won Supes. Warner had one of the best seasons ever for a QB, then Peyton beat that with his own great season a few years later. Each have been MVP and won the Supe. Have you seen them make plenty of mistakes?I think you guys are being too hard on McNabb and Romo. The only way those two QBs seem like less than top QBs is if you're comparing to Montana or Brady. Otherwise, they're fine. McNabb was league MVP. Romo has been excellent since BP put him in for Bledsoe.

 

[Mustang Man]

That is Mcnabb though as good as he is he makes the stupid mistakes, like missing hand offs and is very in accurate in the short passing game. Of coarse Romo made his share of mistakes in this game as well probably more then Mcnabb. I mean that 3 and 4 when he over throws a wide open Barber that he would have ran for about 30-40 yards is just crazy bad. That would have sealed the game. Romo makes mistakes some stupid ones but you know what the Cowboys just keep playing and believe in him and that is the difference in the two teams. Dallas knows Romo is a good qb and knows that taking shots at him for some stupid plays is not going to help the situation. Dallas is better for that and so is Romo. Romo does not have the city of Dallas come down on him if he makes a bad play he knows we got his back as well as all his teammates without question. Mcnabb knows the city of Philly does not have his back and he I am sure is not sure if all his teammates do as well. ROMO KNOWS!!

Romo's made his share of mistakes and it sure seemed like Dallas was upset with that hold he messed up a while back.McNabb seemed to make a move like faking giving it to Westbrook then giving it to him. You can't do that unless the RB knows you are and even still...but McNabb seemed to know he goofed when they showed them discussing it on the sideline.I think you guys don't realize how Montana like Brady is with his minimal mistakes. What he and Montana have done in clutch situations is unbelievable. It is sooo not the norm. Around the time of Montana, Simms made plenty of mistakes and so did Mark Rypien but they both won Supes. Warner had one of the best seasons ever for a QB, then Peyton beat that with his own great season a few years later. Each have been MVP and won the Supe. Have you seen them make plenty of mistakes?I think you guys are being too hard on McNabb and Romo. The only way those two QBs seem like less than top QBs is if you're comparing to Montana or Brady. Otherwise, they're fine. McNabb was league MVP. Romo has been excellent since BP put him in for Bledsoe.

I am not hard on Romo at all I think he is great as do 99% of Cowboy fans it is the media that makes it look like every loss the Cowboys have is Romo's fault. That botched fg snap you speak of was his fault but he did not play a bad game that game at all in fact he drove them down the field to get that easy 21 yard or whatever it was attempt in the final seconds of that game. Without Romo that team would be nothing that year. He is not a choker and all of Dallas loves him. I was just showing that like Mcnabb Romo makes mistakes but Dallas does not blame him and him only when they lose as Philly seems to Blame Mcnabb. Montana and Brady were great in the clutch and maybe Romo can get that together this season. I think his progression over these 3 seasons have been great. If things go right with getting this defense to play up to par I could see multiple Supes for Romo and yes I know he has not won a playoff game. He is good enough now it is up to the rest of the team to believe that they can

 

[switz]

barber looks bad. They need to get Felix the ball more.

Shocking to hear this from you.

I wasn't the first to say it, and at the time I posted it, Barber was 5 carries for 1 yard to Jones 1 carry for 6 yards (and a foot from breaking a long run) plus over 100 return yards and a TD.

You're the Julius Jones guy, right?

Ummmm... no. Never was a fan of Julius Jones. Check any MoMo versus Jones thread this year, or even going back years on Julius Jones. Barber ended up having a good total numbers game, he was dominant in the receiving department. But it was painfully obvious through this thread that Barber lovers will never admit he wasn't good running the ball. It took until the 4th quarter for him to get going, a fact that was even printed in a few Dallas papers by Dallas friendly sportswriters. But a few people on here during the game point it out, and the Barber lovers gather around to defend their lovechild.I especially love the hyprocritical assertion that Jones had a huge hole on his first carry, but Barber didn't have any holes all night. Sorry guys, it doesn't work that way. Barber struggled early in the game, and everyone knows it, even if they don't want to acknowledge it. He ended with 3.5 YPC, and after his first 5 carries he had a 0.2 YPC. He isn't very successful until a defense is tired out (or it sucks as in the case of the Browns).He still was THE RB in Dallas though, and that's not going to change. And with his receiving game, his FF owners have to be thrilled. He's got what 5 TDs on the season? That's on pace for 40 on the year. I just wish Barber owners could acknowledge when he's not running well, instead of attacking those that point it out.

 

[TheSoup]

barber looks bad. They need to get Felix the ball more.

Shocking to hear this from you.

I wasn't the first to say it, and at the time I posted it, Barber was 5 carries for 1 yard to Jones 1 carry for 6 yards (and a foot from breaking a long run) plus over 100 return yards and a TD.

You're the Julius Jones guy, right?

Ummmm... no. Never was a fan of Julius Jones. Check any MoMo versus Jones thread this year, or even going back years on Julius Jones. Barber ended up having a good total numbers game, he was dominant in the receiving department. But it was painfully obvious through this thread that Barber lovers will never admit he wasn't good running the ball. It took until the 4th quarter for him to get going, a fact that was even printed in a few Dallas papers by Dallas friendly sportswriters. But a few people on here during the game point it out, and the Barber lovers gather around to defend their lovechild.I especially love the hyprocritical assertion that Jones had a huge hole on his first carry, but Barber didn't have any holes all night. Sorry guys, it doesn't work that way. Barber struggled early in the game, and everyone knows it, even if they don't want to acknowledge it. He ended with 3.5 YPC, and after his first 5 carries he had a 0.2 YPC. He isn't very successful until a defense is tired out (or it sucks as in the case of the Browns).He still was THE RB in Dallas though, and that's not going to change. And with his receiving game, his FF owners have to be thrilled. He's got what 5 TDs on the season? That's on pace for 40 on the year. I just wish Barber owners could acknowledge when he's not running well, instead of attacking those that point it out.

It was kind of expected though. For some reason, he's just never performed well running the ball against the Eagles.

 

[switz]

I just wish Barber owners could acknowledge when he's not running well, instead of attacking those that point it out.

It was kind of expected though. For some reason, he's just never performed well running the ball against the Eagles.

Which is totally fair... and he performed when it counted. That's all that matters in the NFL.

 

[BobbyLayne]

So...Eagles fans ripping on their own pro-bowl caliber QB is a big reason why so many other fans hate Eagles fans.Seriously...how about the drop DeSean had in the first half...that stalled a drive in the RZ...birds settle for 3? How about his drop in the second half...that forced a punt? How about Greg Lewis' drop that ALSO forced a punt? Am I happy that McNabb took a sack on the last drive...heck no! But I also realize he avoided 3-4 sacks in that game that all but one or two other QBs in the league would have taken. 1 minute to go, fighting like hell to make a play, after a TERRIFIC performance on the road...and you want to throw him under the bus for a sack?Dude...you don't deserve to call yourself a fan. That kind of "fan support" is disgusting. No wonder people hate Philly fans.

Didn't have much investment in the game...DeSean is my WR4/WR5, only player I own, stayed true to my midwest roots rather than jump on any bandwagons when I moved here 9 years ago.As a disinterested observer, I'd have to say you're grasping here. Every game has flaws. Good teams overcome mistakes and find a way to win. You make it sound like the Iggles had to play a perfect game to have a chance at beating Dallas. The Cowboys had turnovers, penalties, dropped balls. What I took away from the game is Philly played really well, almost as good as anyone could reasonably expect.It still wasn't close to being good enough to beating the best team in the NFL. I hate the 'boys, despise the owner, detest their fans...but it is what it is.

 

[Liquid Tension]

In all though, McNabb played very strong especially moving around in the pocket.

Until the last couple drives when it really counted.Anyone following the game can see why Eagles fans get frustrated with him, can you blame us?

Yes, if you get frustrated with him, then I blame you. He's the best QB you guys have ever had. He led you to the NFC championship almost singlehandledly three times, and to the SB. He faced a good defense tonight and they played well when it counted.You Philly fans have never given this guy the respect he deserves. He's been one of the best players of this decade. I shouldn't be surprised, because you guys booed Mike Schmidt, as well. I was really hoping McNabb would have left a few years ago and led another team, maybe Minnesota to a SB. But he has chosesn to stay, and you guys will never know how lucky you are. There are at least a dozen teams in this league that would be begging to have this guy.

Ok, then you don't get it. Don't get upset, most people don't.

What am I missing?

Stealing a recent post from the Eagles thread, but probably won't get you all the way there...

winners win...mcnabb doesnt. and don't give me some BS about his winning % or low INT%. true winners step up when it matters most. padding your stats against the lowlifes of the NFL doesnt make you a winner. McNabb just doesnt have "it". He will keep your hopes up just long enough to crush them at the end.

Seems to me that throughout most of the 1980's and early 90's I heard the same BS about another QB- he couldn't get it done in the Superbowl, when it really counted. Sure, he won a lot of big games, but against substandard teams. They said he didn't trust his receivers. They said he didn't have "it", whatever Montana or Steve Young or Troy Aikman had. As an older veteran, they said he was hanging on, over the hill. Then he got a running back, a WR, a better defense, and won two SB's at the end of his career.

It is amazing how caught people are in the winning the SB as the only measure for a QB, even though tons and tons of evidence shows time and time again that football is the ultimate team sport. The QB, while the most important SINGLE factor is still only worth about 12-15% of the outcome (see my sig). You see QB's win SB's that were never as good as other guys and you see great QB's never win SB's because they simply didn't have the talent around them. The ignorant say they needed to step up, but that is simply BS. We are talking about the Cowboys and Eagles here, well did you see all the terrible almost rookie mistakes Romo made? I am not taking away some excellent throws he made, but the play in the end zone was AWFUL and the int was terrible as well. But he won because the other team messed up. Now you can say McNabb was the guy who messed up for the other team and he did in this case, but like Romo, he also made some excellent plays. The Eagles have won a lot of games and McNabb has helped the case more often than not, especially when you consider his supporting cast. Maybe if his receivers wouldn't bobble so many balls, they would have won this game?Winners step up when it matters most is a convenient escape because it isn't that much more important to perform well in the last drive compared to the 1st drive, but people only focus on the end. And of course performing in football is usually reliant on others to do their jobs as well.

 

[Liquid Tension]

So...Eagles fans ripping on their own pro-bowl caliber QB is a big reason why so many other fans hate Eagles fans.Dude...you don't deserve to call yourself a fan. That kind of "fan support" is disgusting. No wonder people hate Philly fans.

Overreact much? Is he your dad?I am a fan (season ticket holder) and always will be a fan... of the EAGLES, no player is above the TEAM.I couldn't care less what other people think of us. Most, like you, don't understand anyway.

Seriously...how about the drop DeSean had in the first half...that stalled a drive in the RZ...birds settle for 3? How about his drop in the second half...that forced a punt? How about Greg Lewis' drop that ALSO forced a punt? Am I happy that McNabb took a sack on the last drive...heck no! But I also realize he avoided 3-4 sacks in that game that all but one or two other QBs in the league would have taken. 1 minute to go, fighting like hell to make a play, after a TERRIFIC performance on the road...and you want to throw him under the bus for a sack?

WR's drop balls sometimes, especially in their second ever game.You're going to try and pin this on DeSean and Greg "how is he still even on the team" Lewis?I'm not THAT upset about the sack, I'm upset with the 2 botched handoffs, one of which likely cost us that game and some decision-making like the two times he chucked it downfield (badly) rather than run for what would have been much better outcomes.I expect more from a "Pro-Bowl caliber" QB and his mistakes had much bigger impacts then a couple dropped passes.

That is Mcnabb though as good as he is he makes the stupid mistakes, like missing hand offs and is very in accurate in the short passing game. Of coarse Romo made his share of mistakes in this game as well probably more then Mcnabb. I mean that 3 and 4 when he over throws a wide open Barber that he would have ran for about 30-40 yards is just crazy bad. That would have sealed the game. Romo makes mistakes some stupid ones but you know what the Cowboys just keep playing and believe in him and that is the difference in the two teams. Dallas knows Romo is a good qb and knows that taking shots at him for some stupid plays is not going to help the situation. Dallas is better for that and so is Romo. Romo does not have the city of Dallas come down on him if he makes a bad play he knows we got his back as well as all his teammates without question. Mcnabb knows the city of Philly does not have his back and he I am sure is not sure if all his teammates do as well. ROMO KNOWS!!

This sums it up with a different conclusion; Dallas' TEAM bailed out Romo's mistakes and McNabb's was not able to. After all the mistakes Romo had and all the good plays, all Romo had to do to ice the game was hit a WIDE OPEN Barber in the flat and he over threw him. That was really awful and one could say Romo choked on that play, but they won so it is forgotten. One thing overlooked here is the lack of separation the Philly receivers got towards the end. McNabb was running and had little room for error. The 2nd handoff was a bad play on McNabbs part, but it is unfair to blame this game on McNabb.

 

[culdeus]

The impression I got from being there was that the OL of Philly and Dallas are both extremely effective. The sacks Dallas got were not indicative of the OL play, but were coverage sacks. The WRs had virtually no separation after Roy got his arm broken. This also needs to be pointed out if it hasn't already.

In any situation Philly is a 12-13 win team. I hope they continue to play well (really I do) as they are an extremely entertaining team to watch. It is very unfortunate that most likely the 2nd matchup will have little, if anything on the line really.

 

[Liquid Tension]

barber looks bad. They need to get Felix the ball more.

Shocking to hear this from you.

I wasn't the first to say it, and at the time I posted it, Barber was 5 carries for 1 yard to Jones 1 carry for 6 yards (and a foot from breaking a long run) plus over 100 return yards and a TD.

You're the Julius Jones guy, right?

Ummmm... no. Never was a fan of Julius Jones. Check any MoMo versus Jones thread this year, or even going back years on Julius Jones. Barber ended up having a good total numbers game, he was dominant in the receiving department. But it was painfully obvious through this thread that Barber lovers will never admit he wasn't good running the ball. It took until the 4th quarter for him to get going, a fact that was even printed in a few Dallas papers by Dallas friendly sportswriters. But a few people on here during the game point it out, and the Barber lovers gather around to defend their lovechild.I especially love the hyprocritical assertion that Jones had a huge hole on his first carry, but Barber didn't have any holes all night. Sorry guys, it doesn't work that way. Barber struggled early in the game, and everyone knows it, even if they don't want to acknowledge it. He ended with 3.5 YPC, and after his first 5 carries he had a 0.2 YPC. He isn't very successful until a defense is tired out (or it sucks as in the case of the Browns).He still was THE RB in Dallas though, and that's not going to change. And with his receiving game, his FF owners have to be thrilled. He's got what 5 TDs on the season? That's on pace for 40 on the year. I just wish Barber owners could acknowledge when he's not running well, instead of attacking those that point it out.

Not a Cowboy or Barber fan/owner, but saying barber didn't run well is a little disingenuous; he had no room to run as run blitzing was the norm for Philly. There were not many times where one would say of Barber that he missed a hole. I know you are trying to pimp Jones, but saying Barber didn't run well is just looking at stats and saying that rather than acknowledging the OL couldn't open up lanes for him. No RB will be successful unless the OL helps; of course the better ones can do a little better, but without an OL, LT2 isn't going anywhere.

 

[Mustang Man]

So...Eagles fans ripping on their own pro-bowl caliber QB is a big reason why so many other fans hate Eagles fans.Dude...you don't deserve to call yourself a fan. That kind of "fan support" is disgusting. No wonder people hate Philly fans.

Overreact much? Is he your dad?I am a fan (season ticket holder) and always will be a fan... of the EAGLES, no player is above the TEAM.I couldn't care less what other people think of us. Most, like you, don't understand anyway.

Seriously...how about the drop DeSean had in the first half...that stalled a drive in the RZ...birds settle for 3? How about his drop in the second half...that forced a punt? How about Greg Lewis' drop that ALSO forced a punt? Am I happy that McNabb took a sack on the last drive...heck no! But I also realize he avoided 3-4 sacks in that game that all but one or two other QBs in the league would have taken. 1 minute to go, fighting like hell to make a play, after a TERRIFIC performance on the road...and you want to throw him under the bus for a sack?

WR's drop balls sometimes, especially in their second ever game.You're going to try and pin this on DeSean and Greg "how is he still even on the team" Lewis?I'm not THAT upset about the sack, I'm upset with the 2 botched handoffs, one of which likely cost us that game and some decision-making like the two times he chucked it downfield (badly) rather than run for what would have been much better outcomes.I expect more from a "Pro-Bowl caliber" QB and his mistakes had much bigger impacts then a couple dropped passes.

That is Mcnabb though as good as he is he makes the stupid mistakes, like missing hand offs and is very in accurate in the short passing game. Of coarse Romo made his share of mistakes in this game as well probably more then Mcnabb. I mean that 3 and 4 when he over throws a wide open Barber that he would have ran for about 30-40 yards is just crazy bad. That would have sealed the game. Romo makes mistakes some stupid ones but you know what the Cowboys just keep playing and believe in him and that is the difference in the two teams. Dallas knows Romo is a good qb and knows that taking shots at him for some stupid plays is not going to help the situation. Dallas is better for that and so is Romo. Romo does not have the city of Dallas come down on him if he makes a bad play he knows we got his back as well as all his teammates without question. Mcnabb knows the city of Philly does not have his back and he I am sure is not sure if all his teammates do as well. ROMO KNOWS!!

This sums it up with a different conclusion; Dallas' TEAM bailed out Romo's mistakes and McNabb's was not able to. After all the mistakes Romo had and all the good plays, all Romo had to do to ice the game was hit a WIDE OPEN Barber in the flat and he over threw him. That was really awful and one could say Romo choked on that play, but they won so it is forgotten. One thing overlooked here is the lack of separation the Philly receivers got towards the end. McNabb was running and had little room for error. The 2nd handoff was a bad play on McNabbs part, but it is unfair to blame this game on McNabb.

You are right to a degree both QB'S did enough to win and lose the game but I for one would not have said that Romo lost the game for Dallas because he over threw MB3 that would have clinched the game. Romo was the reason they were in the game to that point geez the guy is not going to make every throw. ROMO TORCHED THE PHILLY DEFENSE. If Philly goes down the field and scores a td to win the game Dallas would have lost as a team but sure enough it is MccNabb's fault in the eyes of Philly fans for the most part in this thread. Man Mcnabb played his ### off he can't make every play in the clutch ya know Dallas does have a pretty good defense (reason the philly wr's could not get separation) as does Philly it was just one of them games where the offenses clicked. To blame the game on either of the qb's is stupidity how bout the defenses that both got burned all night long.

 

[switz]

Not a Cowboy or Barber fan/owner, but saying barber didn't run well is a little disingenuous; he had no room to run as run blitzing was the norm for Philly. There were not many times where one would say of Barber that he missed a hole. I know you are trying to pimp Jones

No, I wasn't, and that's the problem. I was posting about what I saw in a game, without an agenda. Nobody watching that game without an agenda could deny that Barber looked bad early in the game. I wasn't the first to post it, either... were all the others trying to pimp Jones? Doubtful.

but saying Barber didn't run well is just looking at stats and saying that rather than acknowledging the OL couldn't open up lanes for him.

That's a load of bovine feces... Barber wasn't breaking tackles, he was going down easy early in the game. On a few plays the first guy to hit him at the LOS took him down immediately.As I said - I think in the Cowboys season thread, or maybe earlier in this thread - Barber looked like an entirely different back in the second half. I don't know if his ribs were bothering him early, and he got a pain shot, or if the Eagles D was just tired, but Barber was running with far more authority in the second half.

No RB will be successful unless the OL helps; of course the better ones can do a little better, but without an OL, LT2 isn't going anywhere.

And blaming the DAL OL is weak... very weak. That OL looked pretty good for the most part, despite the Eagles blitzing. It's not like Barber was getting hit in the backfield. The DAL OL is far from being a bad OL, they are one of the best run blocking OLs in the league.And how funny is it to see Barber-lovers use the OL excuse for Barber, but say it's not an excuse when it comes to other RBs.... puh leaze.

I had no agenda, what I posted was completely in line with what other Cowboys fans were noticing as well.

 

[Liquid Tension]

So...Eagles fans ripping on their own pro-bowl caliber QB is a big reason why so many other fans hate Eagles fans.Dude...you don't deserve to call yourself a fan. That kind of "fan support" is disgusting. No wonder people hate Philly fans.

Overreact much? Is he your dad?I am a fan (season ticket holder) and always will be a fan... of the EAGLES, no player is above the TEAM.I couldn't care less what other people think of us. Most, like you, don't understand anyway.

Seriously...how about the drop DeSean had in the first half...that stalled a drive in the RZ...birds settle for 3? How about his drop in the second half...that forced a punt? How about Greg Lewis' drop that ALSO forced a punt? Am I happy that McNabb took a sack on the last drive...heck no! But I also realize he avoided 3-4 sacks in that game that all but one or two other QBs in the league would have taken. 1 minute to go, fighting like hell to make a play, after a TERRIFIC performance on the road...and you want to throw him under the bus for a sack?

WR's drop balls sometimes, especially in their second ever game.You're going to try and pin this on DeSean and Greg "how is he still even on the team" Lewis?I'm not THAT upset about the sack, I'm upset with the 2 botched handoffs, one of which likely cost us that game and some decision-making like the two times he chucked it downfield (badly) rather than run for what would have been much better outcomes.I expect more from a "Pro-Bowl caliber" QB and his mistakes had much bigger impacts then a couple dropped passes.

That is Mcnabb though as good as he is he makes the stupid mistakes, like missing hand offs and is very in accurate in the short passing game. Of coarse Romo made his share of mistakes in this game as well probably more then Mcnabb. I mean that 3 and 4 when he over throws a wide open Barber that he would have ran for about 30-40 yards is just crazy bad. That would have sealed the game. Romo makes mistakes some stupid ones but you know what the Cowboys just keep playing and believe in him and that is the difference in the two teams. Dallas knows Romo is a good qb and knows that taking shots at him for some stupid plays is not going to help the situation. Dallas is better for that and so is Romo. Romo does not have the city of Dallas come down on him if he makes a bad play he knows we got his back as well as all his teammates without question. Mcnabb knows the city of Philly does not have his back and he I am sure is not sure if all his teammates do as well. ROMO KNOWS!!

This sums it up with a different conclusion; Dallas' TEAM bailed out Romo's mistakes and McNabb's was not able to. After all the mistakes Romo had and all the good plays, all Romo had to do to ice the game was hit a WIDE OPEN Barber in the flat and he over threw him. That was really awful and one could say Romo choked on that play, but they won so it is forgotten. One thing overlooked here is the lack of separation the Philly receivers got towards the end. McNabb was running and had little room for error. The 2nd handoff was a bad play on McNabbs part, but it is unfair to blame this game on McNabb.

You are right to a degree both QB'S did enough to win and lose the game but I for one would not have said that Romo lost the game for Dallas because he over threw MB3 that would have clinched the game. Romo was the reason they were in the game to that point geez the guy is not going to make every throw. ROMO TORCHED THE PHILLY DEFENSE. If Philly goes down the field and scores a td to win the game Dallas would have lost as a team but sure enough it is MccNabb's fault in the eyes of Philly fans for the most part in this thread. Man Mcnabb played his ### off he can't make every play in the clutch ya know Dallas does have a pretty good defense (reason the philly wr's could not get separation) as does Philly it was just one of them games where the offenses clicked. To blame the game on either of the qb's is stupidity how bout the defenses that both got burned all night long.

I agree that I wouldn't blame Romo, although I am sure he would have been kicking himself, but my point was that someone would wrongly say, "Romo is a choker because he couldn't complete that pass."Stepping back, all QB's become dumber when there is a lot of pressure in their face and they get hit.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Not a Cowboy or Barber fan/owner, but saying barber didn't run well is a little disingenuous; he had no room to run as run blitzing was the norm for Philly. There were not many times where one would say of Barber that he missed a hole. I know you are trying to pimp Jones

No, I wasn't, and that's the problem. I was posting about what I saw in a game, without an agenda. Nobody watching that game without an agenda could deny that Barber looked bad early in the game. I wasn't the first to post it, either... were all the others trying to pimp Jones? Doubtful.

but saying Barber didn't run well is just looking at stats and saying that rather than acknowledging the OL couldn't open up lanes for him.

That's a load of bovine feces... Barber wasn't breaking tackles, he was going down easy early in the game. On a few plays the first guy to hit him at the LOS took him down immediately.As I said - I think in the Cowboys season thread, or maybe earlier in this thread - Barber looked like an entirely different back in the second half. I don't know if his ribs were bothering him early, and he got a pain shot, or if the Eagles D was just tired, but Barber was running with far more authority in the second half.

No RB will be successful unless the OL helps; of course the better ones can do a little better, but without an OL, LT2 isn't going anywhere.

And blaming the DAL OL is weak... very weak. That OL looked pretty good for the most part, despite the Eagles blitzing. It's not like Barber was getting hit in the backfield. The DAL OL is far from being a bad OL, they are one of the best run blocking OLs in the league.And how funny is it to see Barber-lovers use the OL excuse for Barber, but say it's not an excuse when it comes to other RBs.... puh leaze.

I had no agenda, what I posted was completely in line with what other Cowboys fans were noticing as well.

Switz, first, I am not a Barber lover in any way, in fact I hate the Cowboys so your base of opinion is off. Second, to say that you don't have an agenda is disingenuous based on all the threads you have been pushing Jones time and time again (look at your sig for crying out loud), so please don't try and sell your story for more than it is. Third, Dallas' OL is an excellent unit, never said they are not. But, Philly came out and took it to them early on by run blitzing a lot. I don't care what others say, a RB will not look good when they are getting hit in the backfield. Later in the game, the difference was that either the Eagles were getting worn down and/or the Cowboys made an adjustment to the way they were blocking because Barber was bale to get down field a Little before contact. It is also possible that after getting burned by TO over the top it softened the Eagle pressure?Let me ask you one question, how often do you hear people say a RB looked good when they keep getting hit in the backfield? I am a believer that most of the time it is not the RB, it is the blocking. Now before you throw out how other guys looked, EVERY team that has a 3rd down back or a guy who comes in on 3rd and long looks better and has a better YPC because a draw on 3rd and 15 will net you 5-10 yards usually. Those are VERY different running situations.

If you want to believe that Barber miraculously became better in the 2nd half, you can believe that, but the truth is that it was the same player, but the line or coaching played better and that allowed him to look better. Barber is a very tough and shifty runner with GREAT balance, but like many backs he needs some room.

 

[Manster]

barber looks bad. They need to get Felix the ball more.

Shocking to hear this from you.

I wasn't the first to say it, and at the time I posted it, Barber was 5 carries for 1 yard to Jones 1 carry for 6 yards (and a foot from breaking a long run) plus over 100 return yards and a TD.

You're the Julius Jones guy, right?

Ummmm... no. Never was a fan of Julius Jones. Check any MoMo versus Jones thread this year, or even going back years on Julius Jones. Barber ended up having a good total numbers game, he was dominant in the receiving department. But it was painfully obvious through this thread that Barber lovers will never admit he wasn't good running the ball. It took until the 4th quarter for him to get going, a fact that was even printed in a few Dallas papers by Dallas friendly sportswriters. But a few people on here during the game point it out, and the Barber lovers gather around to defend their lovechild.I especially love the hyprocritical assertion that Jones had a huge hole on his first carry, but Barber didn't have any holes all night. Sorry guys, it doesn't work that way. Barber struggled early in the game, and everyone knows it, even if they don't want to acknowledge it. He ended with 3.5 YPC, and after his first 5 carries he had a 0.2 YPC. He isn't very successful until a defense is tired out (or it sucks as in the case of the Browns).He still was THE RB in Dallas though, and that's not going to change. And with his receiving game, his FF owners have to be thrilled. He's got what 5 TDs on the season? That's on pace for 40 on the year. I just wish Barber owners could acknowledge when he's not running well, instead of attacking those that point it out.

are you a Cowboys fan, or just a Felix Jones fan? i'm curious because all i ever see you do is campaign for Felix.

 

[renesauz]

TO LEHIGH::::::

I was simply pointing out that putting this loss on McNabb is beyond asinine. You're probably one of those idiots who booed Mike Schmidt too. Seriously....don't you realize that Philly fans are NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED for being unrealistic in thier expectations of thier stars, FAMOUS for NOT recognizing greatness when they have it?

There are only 3 or 4 QB's in the league who could have possibly won that game last night...and McNabb was one of them. I saw ONE bad pass all night, and five drops.....but you still blame McNabb? That's senseless!