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Week 4 New England Patriots/Kansas City Chiefs Fantasy GM Support Group (1 Viewer)
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Good idea/question...we are doing a modified best ball...
Mahomes is the starter but if he doesn't take the field then that owner will be awarded Jared Goff's points as that is his back up...so Mahomes plays that's what he gets and if not Goff is then filled in as his starter. If Goff were to have a big day today and Mahomes takes the field tomorrow and has just a normal day, you don't get Goff's points, just making this clear.
Mahomes is the starter but if he doesn't take the field then that owner will be awarded Jared Goff's points as that is his back up...so Mahomes plays that's what he gets and if not Goff is then filled in as his starter. If Goff were to have a big day today and Mahomes takes the field tomorrow and has just a normal day, you don't get Goff's points, just making this clear.
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I-ROK
Footballguy
I wonder if this is a good prescient to set for the rest of the season. I thought about proposing this in my leagues but felt like it would eventually turn into a disaster as we get further along into the season. For now we are treating it as a risk like a Questionable MNF player who ends up being declared out
That being said, for me personally I am likely going to sit Hill in favor of an early game player
Man In The Box
Footballguy
I'm flexing Helaire for now. I can pivot to Aiyuk tonight, or Brian Hill or Hurst tomorrow. Not ideal, but I'm not going to cry about it.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
All you are doing is rewarding the owners that work their benches...I am a very active waiver wire owner but we have maybe half the league that sorta gloss over the weekly ins and outs.
It really only lights a stick of dynamite to owners to prepare for the unique season we are in right now.
I can't see the harm in owners putting in a taxi-squad from their bench in case their starter suddenly is on BYE that week and was unforeseen.
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Nobody, regardless of your thoughts on the season and how much you stacked your bench, could have prepared/forecasted that there would be Sunday games shifted to “maybe games” that may “possibly” be held on Monday or Tuesday nights. You’re punishing the owners of players in those games by forcing them to make a Sunday decision on whether to play Patrick Mahomes, CEH, Tyreek, Kelce, Cam (had he been playing), etc or, in almost all of those cases, FAR LESSER options.
This isn’t an injury situation where you have some information to go off of. This isn’t TEN-PIT where you know their game was postponed. This is a none of us know if KC-NE are going to play situation. And this is going to be a near weekly occurrence moving forward, which will only be made more and more difficult as bye weeks mean less and less bench options.
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Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
My leagues aren't doing anything and I'm okay with it. Luckily I have Kelce and Hurst so I can wait until Monday night. I also have Butker and the new Falcons kicker is still on waivers if need be.
I-ROK
Footballguy
I hold the opinion that this game will be moved to Tuesday and we may not know if this game is being played Tuesday until Tuesday mid day as they wait for the days COVID tests. Then what do you do- take the chance no one tests on Tuesday?
Anarchy99
Footballguy
The plan is to play on Monday to avoid the Chiefs having to play Tuesday-Sunday-Thursday. New England would fly to KC tomorrow and play an early evening game. But that is still multiple tests away from happening.
buckeye35
Footballguy
I am letting owners in my league post who they would have started if the game was cancelled. So for today, they are leaving Chiefs and Patriots in their starting lineups, if they wish, but if they post their back-up plans on our Message Board by 1:00 p.m. today and then the game gets cancelled tomorrow, for example, then I will go in and adjust their lineups to what they would have done if they had the information this morning. A little bit of extra work, but I don't think it's fair for teams to get to IR Chiefs and Patriots players (and get extra players on their rosters for today) if they end up playing, so this seemed like a fair solution to me. So for my team, I am starting Clyde. If the game gets cancelled tomorrow, I have let everyone know that I would have started Mike Davis and my lineup will be changed to reflect that, if necessary. If the game is on, even if Davis goes nuts, Clyde is still my starter and no harm done. We have no control over what will happen and for this strange little season, I don't see any reason why I have to lock into Davis today if the game doesn't get cancelled. Trying to make it as easy on everyone as possible and keep things fair. We put a lot of COVID rules in place ahead of time, but this is one that I did not really map out ahead of time, so we are adjusting on the fly.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
By Monday night we will hear if the game is Tuesday instead of Monday, then the only issue will be if there are positive tests on Tuesday. I'll take that risk.
I-ROK
Footballguy
I agree. It sounds good so far. I have changed course and will be starting Reek with Shepherd (GB) as an emergency backup
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Say What?
I think you mistook or misinterpreted.
I am playing Tyreek Hill but if he doesn't play then Tee Higgins is inserted, just using this example...where is the pressure on the owner? We are trying to make it easier on the owner.
We can't control the NFL and the CV-19 tests, but we can try and make it easy to keep things together and rough it a little so we can still get a Sunday Escape, the alternative is pretty simple, just don't play and watch my beloved Miami Dolphins flounder for 3 hours weekly
Maybe you weren't catching my vibration on that post. I'm not scolding anyone, trying to show a way that's not that painful and a Commish isn't taking on a 2nd job.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
You were quick to point out the Tue-Sun-Thurs dilemma for the Chiefs and I think there was a lot of merit in that, probably why they are pushing for Monday.
But on another note I have to say, Cam Newton touches a lot of players throughout his week, shocked there aren't more positive tests to this point.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I assume we all know by now that they announced the game is definitely on for Monday...definitely as in "Sounds Great" Sun Morning at 11am, are they going to retest tomorrow throughout the day?
Then there are the ramifications for next week...what are the chances Cam would be able to take the field next Sunday? I don't even know who the Pats face next week.
Then there are the ramifications for next week...what are the chances Cam would be able to take the field next Sunday? I don't even know who the Pats face next week.
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
The plan is for NE to fly out tomorrow afternoon and play Monday evening at 7:05. From what I have seen, both teams will be tested tonight and again tomorrow morning.I just got an alert on the 7:05 start time.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Well, the superflex league I have Mahomes in the commish is inflexible.
So I’m keeping him in my lineup in a very tough matchup between 2-1 teams.
My other option is Danny Dimes, who’s been good for about 8 points a week.
I’d rather lose with a 0 from Mahomes & 8 on the bench than lose with 8 from DJones and 30 from Mahomes on my bench. It would be soul crushing.
Keeping my fingers crossed for tomorrow’s tests.
So I’m keeping him in my lineup in a very tough matchup between 2-1 teams.
My other option is Danny Dimes, who’s been good for about 8 points a week.
I’d rather lose with a 0 from Mahomes & 8 on the bench than lose with 8 from DJones and 30 from Mahomes on my bench. It would be soul crushing.
Keeping my fingers crossed for tomorrow’s tests.
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
NE plays the Broncos next week. If Cam is symptomatic, he can return within 5 days if he has two consecutive negative tests 24 hours apart. If he can't swing that, he could have to sit out for 10 days. If he is symptomatic, he has to sit out 10 days from the onset of the start of symptoms. So in short, we don't know if he could play next week yet. There have been no reports so far on whether Cam has any symptoms or not.
FWIW, this is how I see it for now:
New England At Kansas City Rescheduled For Monday.
Summary: | Adam Schefter reports: "Patriots-Chiefs will kick off at 7:05 ET with full telecast on Monday night on CBS; Falcons-Packers kicks off at 8:50 et, per source."
Our Take: | This obviously is a great sign. This would tell you the league is encouraged with the situation and it's more likely the game will happen as planned. Yesterday, we said there was likely a 50% chance the game happens if there were no new positive tests Sunday morning. I'm upping that now to 75% chance we think the game happens. It's still a risk. But my guess right now is it's a 75% chance Kansas City and New England player go tomorrow night. And that's likely conservative. Balance your decision accordingly.
New England At Kansas City Rescheduled For Monday.
Summary: | Adam Schefter reports: "Patriots-Chiefs will kick off at 7:05 ET with full telecast on Monday night on CBS; Falcons-Packers kicks off at 8:50 et, per source."
Our Take: | This obviously is a great sign. This would tell you the league is encouraged with the situation and it's more likely the game will happen as planned. Yesterday, we said there was likely a 50% chance the game happens if there were no new positive tests Sunday morning. I'm upping that now to 75% chance we think the game happens. It's still a risk. But my guess right now is it's a 75% chance Kansas City and New England player go tomorrow night. And that's likely conservative. Balance your decision accordingly.
Let’s see in my 16 team dynasty I’ve benched Cam for Carr. I’m rolling out CEH because options behind him are Gus Edwards and Miles Boykin. I’m rolling Burkhead for the same reason. Oh yeah I lost Saquon for the year, Goedert on IR and also have AJB and Diontae in COVID GAMES. Oh but Cobbler1 maybe you have a young guy you’re excited about roll him out at least it’ll be fun to see him play when it matters. Nope Bryan Edwards broken too. Whee!
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Both teams will be tested tonight and tomorrow morning. I think 75% is an aggressive stance. The issue (at least on NE's side) is that it takes time for people to be able to test positive. That timeline is usually 3-7 days (like in the TEN-PIT situation). Bottom line, it''s very possible NE players have not had enough time to test positive. As I posted in one of these COVID threads, Cam is the focus of the entire NE team. He is in the face of coaches and players all the time and has been high fiving players on offense and defense. IMO, that's a lot different than someone that might be a third stringer or special teamer that doesn't interact much with everyone else. I would be surprised if no other NE players test positive. If not, I would wonder if Cam's positive test result was a false positive.
I-ROK
Footballguy
Wouldn’t we know by now if he had a false positive? We found out in 12 hours about the NO player.
Also, I would hope the teams are taking precautions and no one is “in the face of coaches and players all the time” and that teams have stopped “high fiving players on offense and defense.” That would be grossly irresponsible to not nip that in the bud. Especially allowing one guy to come into that close of contact of the offense AND defense.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Cam is an animated player. He talks to players in the huddle all the time. He yells at guys on offense if they do something good or if they are not on the same page. He talks with coaches in film sessions and on the sideline. He cheers on his teammates on both side of the ball and has been seen high fiving and butt slapping players. That's how Cam is as a player. Maybe he's toned it down some, but I don't think he's eliminated that. He is said to have and infectious personality and players gravitate to him on the field, in the locker room, likely on flights, etc. He is the most central figure out of anyone on New England. I am not sure you can just socially distance someone's personality and leadership status.
I-ROK
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
When this came out, I re-inserted Mahomes (for Foles) and Kelce (for Alie-Cox). Already had to bench James Conner for Mike Davis (Panthers). Just going to roll with it at this point -- our league is not making any concessions for COVID effects. Shoot, I almost lost Kamara and Golladay last night -- my lineup would've been utter garbage.
Hopefully, in future weeks, I'll be on the 'up' side of this thing, and one of my opponents will have to scramble to fill in six starters on a Saturday.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I-ROK
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
There are certain actions and activities to playing the sport of football. If those actions are not considered socially acceptable in the current climate we live in, then they should not be allowed to play football. I have watched plenty of games this year. Quarterbacks are still barking at players that ran the wrong routes. Coaches without masks on have been screaming at refs. There are audibles in tight quarters from both the offense and defense at the LOS. There have been plenty of cases of guys trash talking each other. Those aren't going away. That's just football. Again, the league can try to minimize that (or fine coaches for not wearing masks), but I don't see any of that going away.
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I thought you were saying that by allowing contingent starts (I.e. Tee Higgins if Tyreek’s game is cancelled), you’re punishing those who planned for COVID with deeper benches and could afford to just plug in a replacement for Tyreek if no contingencies were alllowed. Seems as though I misinterpreted, and if so, then my apologies.Say What?
I think you mistook or misinterpreted.
I am playing Tyreek Hill but if he doesn't play then Tee Higgins is inserted, just using this example...where is the pressure on the owner? We are trying to make it easier on the owner.
We can't control the NFL and the CV-19 tests, but we can try and make it easy to keep things together and rough it a little so we can still get a Sunday Escape, the alternative is pretty simple, just don't play and watch my beloved Miami Dolphins flounder for 3 hours weekly
Maybe you weren't catching my vibration on that post. I'm not scolding anyone, trying to show a way that's not that painful and a Commish isn't taking on a 2nd job.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Not sure what to do about Butker. Might just drop him, he hasn’t been awesome so far.
Truebluey
Footballguy
The league leader in mine just dropped him for Fairburn.
I'm on tenterhooks because I have BOTH Mahomes and CEH and my leaguemates are against any precautions for covid (in fantasy and RL). I do have an out with CEH by putting him in flex and I have an ATL/GB player to swap. But rolling with Mahomes.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I see the game is “scheduled” for tomorrow. I’ll take my chances. Worst case I’ll learn the name of the Falcons new kicker.
How much heat is Newton seeing for this?
What % chance do you think the game happens?
I agree!
I think 50/50 seems closer to correct. Maybe the Patriots and the NFL have insider info regarding who CAM has come into contact with and feel comfortable about the situation. It's still very unpredictable given the incubation period. It will take just one more positive or perhaps the players express their fear of getting on a flight to get this postponed. It seems to me that theoretically getting on a plane in this circumstance is extremely dangerous even if all players have tested positive. We saw what happened at the Rose Garden. They all thought they were safe.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I would think little to none, viruses don’t care who you are. But he is a polarizing figure & I think a good percentage of fans presume he did something careless so it’s somehow his fault.
More likely than not, but who knows.
I-ROK
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
Being on an airplane is not a particular transmission risk (Link to discussion last night). Now, the players shouldn't be sitting shoulder-to-shoulder and would be wise to be masked during flight.
Not sure about that.
If Newton has been doing everything off the field perfectly. That's one thing. I just don't know that's the case.
Titans are about to find out how much people care.
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